Tuxedomoon
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Category: Progressive Music Lounges
Forum Name: Suggest New Bands and Artists
Forum Description: Suggest, create polls, and classify new bands you would like included on Prog Archives
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Topic: Tuxedomoon
Posted By: Thommy Rock
Subject: Tuxedomoon
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 18:05
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Not sure if suggested before, but TUXEDOOM certainly deserve an addition to the archives.
Since 1977 this Euro-Amercian band play a heady mix of new (no) wave, punk, experimental music, jazz and folk with heavy classical and progressive influences, not unlike The Legendary Pink Dots. Their first two releases appeared originally on The Resident's own Ralph Records label.
Definite Albums: 'Desire' and 'Holy Wars'
Listen to, read about and see them here:
http://www.myspace.com/tuxedomoon - http://www.myspace.com/tuxedomoon ------------- "Without deviation from the norm, progress is not possible" FZ |
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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: May 06 2010 at 00:27
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Sounds like a pretty interesting band. Where are you suggesting them for? I'll listen tomorrow as I see quite a lot of albums are at least partially available on their Myspace.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: May 06 2010 at 02:16
It was suggested before and evaluated by the avant team. According to the progfreak voting chart, the team thought it was best for Prog Related (the blue circle means Prog Related and the arrow is a "move" verdict (to be evaluated elsewhere, but I don't know if it was put to the Prog Related team):
Here's a thread where it was suggested before -- for reference purposes: Topic: forum_posts.asp?TID=44180&KW=Tuxedomoon - Tuxedomoon Forum: forum_topics.asp?FID=1 - Suggest New Bands and Artists I haven't listened to much Tuxedomoon, but it has similarities to The Residents. |
Posted By: Seyo
Date Posted: November 09 2010 at 16:57
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They certainly deserve addition to PA and I think it is a shame that this has not been done so far .... But I would suggest Avant team to reconsider them carefully because I think they have enough avantgarde elements, experimentalism, influences from classical music, opera, jazz and film/musicals, so even Eclectic banner would not be out of place.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 09 2010 at 17:00
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I remember this band. From my memory I think they would certainly fit in here somewhere. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: November 09 2010 at 18:09
Tuxedomoon should be here, as well as Red Krayola. ------------- |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: November 09 2010 at 18:29
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I'll give them a listen, too. BTW, I know another artist that was voted unanimously "Move To Prog-Related" by the ZART but ended being added in Avant  |
Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: November 10 2010 at 18:26
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What a great band, not the best example of progressive rock, but they do have some tendencies. It would be nice if you consider them for addition. ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: November 10 2010 at 18:31
Absolutely. We need more post-punk here. You can't have "progressive" without the last forward-looking genre in the history of music. |
clarke2001 wrote:Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: November 16 2010 at 08:30
Red Krayola "post punk"?  ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: November 16 2010 at 13:07
Let's say "Proto-pre-post punk". |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: November 16 2010 at 13:13
....related ! ------------- I stand with Roger Waters, I stand with Joan Baez, I stand with Victor Jara, I stand with Woody Guthrie. Music is revolution |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: November 16 2010 at 13:25
...there was rumour in the 80s that the two were one and the same... ------------- What? |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: June 18 2012 at 10:29
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is this going anywhere ??, i was thinki of starting a suggestion thread but it seems there is allready one open with some fearly positive opinions towards inclusion and non towards exclusion
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 18 2012 at 10:50
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Really? Suggestions threads don't canvas inclusion and non-exclusion opinion -just because a few people has said the might fit here that doesn't mean a whole lot. Six members of the ZART team, including the person who originally championed them voted Prog Related yet none of them proposed Tuxedomoon to the AdminTeam for PR.
I don't think they belong here at all.  ------------- What? |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: June 18 2012 at 11:06
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i just pointed on the positive attitude, (not aiming that, that would be waying a teams inclusion desisions) but it shows member of PA would want them, nothing more nothing less, and from what i hear they would not be a odd band in PA, but i also understand why they would not merrit an inclusion as their post-punk and new-wave elements are as strong as the experimental and avant-garde element,
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Posted By: colorofmoney91
Date Posted: June 18 2012 at 14:18
I was just about to post a Tuxedo Mask picture. He's so dreamy   ------------- http://hanashukketsu.bandcamp.com" rel="nofollow - Hanashukketsu |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: June 18 2012 at 16:54
They were signed to Crammed records, a label created by Aksak Maboul's leader. I strongly recommend their album 'holy wars'. They could find their way to RIO. ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: June 27 2012 at 20:28
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Not sure they're really fit for ZART. They remind me of a few of the experimental/avant rock and post punk bands that were suggested in the past year or so - experimental for sure, but not exactly fit for the site. If a SC wants to suggest them to PR, they can go right ahead. ------------- http://ow.ly/8ymqg" rel="nofollow">  
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Posted By: maario
Date Posted: December 14 2013 at 10:42
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Tuxedomoon perfectly fits in Prog related. They have at least 5 albums that are "very progy". Holly wars, Desire, You. Ship of Fools, The Ghost Sonata...
Put them please.
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Posted By: yam yam
Date Posted: December 14 2013 at 11:08
Not as simple as you might think. Firstly a Special Collaborator (5 stars above his avatar) has to propose them to admins, and then admins have to approve them and add them. On a positive note there are several S.C.s posting in this thread who support their addition, and might be willing to propose them for Prog Related. On a more negative note (and far more significantly, Im afraid)
two of the current members of the admin team have said in this thread that they don't belong here, so I would imagine this idea is already dead in the water, despite nobody in the old ZART team that initially evaluated them having actually voted for rejection:Tuxedomoon
Logan has already posted a condensed version of this chart on page 1 of this thread, but I'm reproducing it here in full to avoid having to jump back and forth. The blue dots in the above chart are a vote for Prog Related and the question marks mean 'not sure'. The two cogs icon in rileydog22's line near the bottom simply means 'need time'. One of the other members of the current admin team is also a prominent member of the present ZART team. It would be interesting to hear what his thoughts are regarding this band, and its eligibility for inclusion on here.
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(rileydog22)Posted By: maario
Date Posted: December 14 2013 at 12:34
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Strange. I'm surprised because,there are a tenths of a groups working far less demanding music than TM, but they are listed here. But we can try, no matter we succeed or not. :) Take care and have a good day. Robbie
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: December 17 2013 at 15:54
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Prog Related is a very difficult category to get into due to the criteria needed. I actually would put Tuxedomoon in the RIO/Avant category for the very RIO album Divine in particular, which is brilliant (I wonder if that album was evaluated) The whole album is on youtube if one looks. EDIT: here is the playlist on youtube, and I would strongly recommend it to fans of RIO: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL70D68F46130BC908" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL70D68F46130BC908 |
Posted By: Bonnek
Date Posted: December 17 2013 at 16:26
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Wow a Tuxedo Moon thread, I don't think they belong here really, though the above album and their other 'ballet music' album the Ghost Sonata come close to what you will hear from the RIO bands in the 80s. Question is, was that because TuxedoMoon adapted prog influences or because those RIO bands (thinking UZ and Art Zoyd in particular) absorbed sounds, moods from post-punk? Personally I think the latter. Well they're all punks anyway  |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: December 17 2013 at 16:37
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They were absorbing musical ideas from academic music composers, of course -- Bartok, Stravinsky, avant-garde composers, minimalists, avant-garde comspoers etc. I haven't heard Ghost Sonata yet (oh wait, I have). I find Divine hugely reminiscent of 80s Art Zoyd (who was also doing modern ballet music at much the same time). It like Ghost Sonata also reminds me of the Residents Eskimo (My favourite Residents album). To me that is not Prog Related, it is very much of an 80s RIO style. Some great chamber music in Ghost Sonata: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_oKOLE8Qh0&list=PL8CD91F1C3A79D4D1" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_oKOLE8Qh0&list=PL8CD91F1C3A79D4D1 For those that know them better than me, there is some serious academic music going on. Compositions and arrangements are very advanced. I need to know more about these guys. Is there much post-punk at this level? |
Posted By: Bonnek
Date Posted: December 17 2013 at 16:41
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Pick up their album 'Desire' A masterpiece imo and actually my first exposure to post-punk/new wave (together with Danielle Dax's debut). Those two albums opened the most wonderful can of worms and changed my life. After being a prog/hard-rock nerd in my teens I was suddenly one of the cool guys.  Now where's that old dusty Fields of the Nephilim leather hat! |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: December 17 2013 at 16:48
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Will pick up Desire, thanks! I've explored their music a bit over the years -- knew them before I joined PA. The university radio station would play a lot of quirky music. Pretty diverse musically. |