Meshuggah Prog Metal?
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Topic: Meshuggah Prog Metal?
Posted By: Chooks
Subject: Meshuggah Prog Metal?
Date Posted: May 27 2005 at 05:33
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If prog is music that has that something different distingushing itself from other types of music the I beleive that Meshuggah should be incuded in the prog metal section. Reasons why:
The time signatures used by Meshuggah are crazier than most giving Planet X a run for their money; The chops are insane; The guitar solos are also excellent played on custom 8 string guitars; The drumming could be played without the rest of the music and would still blow ones mind. I know that these guys may be heavier than what alot of proggers are used to but I reckon the heaviness of the music shouldn't put people off from the insane timeing and chops that are thrown at you while listening. And with albums like their latest Catch Thirtythree which has 13 tracks but only one song I class Meshuggah as Prog Metal. I would like to know what you guys think both the for and against. |
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Posted By: nacho
Date Posted: May 27 2005 at 05:55
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Although they are far from being one of my favourites bands, in my personal catalogue Meshuggah are included in Prog Metal, and some of their CDs are in that section in my shelves...
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Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: May 27 2005 at 14:25
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We've been over this. I love Meshuggah, and they do have work that could qualify as prog metal, but I'm not totally convinced that they are a whole are a prog metal band. Really brutal and complex thrash is probably more like it. However, I do think that the prog-metallers on here who enjoy heavier stuff would love their recent EP titled "I". |
Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: May 27 2005 at 15:13
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I love Meshuggah,love the cd Nothing,and got "I" because of comments I heard about it on this forum.Just recently got Catch 33 and love it.I think they are prog metal.If Opeth is considered prog why not Meshuggah? -------------  |
Posted By: goose
Date Posted: May 27 2005 at 17:03
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These all seem to be reasons why Meshuggah are technical, not progressive. |
Chooks wrote:Posted By: 46and2
Date Posted: May 27 2005 at 18:41
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MESHUGGAH is amazing! havent heard catch 33 yet ------------- 
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Posted By: Chooks
Date Posted: May 28 2005 at 04:17
Their early stuff was more straight ahead metal with jazz complexities in regard to timing and riff arrangement but if bands like Anathema and Therion are classed as prog because of thier later stuff moving into prog then the same must be said for Meshuggah with their 'I' EP and the latest release 'Catch Thirtythree' which cross into prog territory. so i would agree with the brutal and complex thrash description for the early releases but reckon that the above mentioned later releases deserve having a place in prog. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 02 2005 at 02:38
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There really is much similiarity between Fantomas Delirium Cordia and Meshuggahs Catch 33. But I would rather call that music "Experimental" than "Progressive". Progressive music should be experimental, too, but it is just one facet that doesn't already make it Progressive. That said, I think that Delirium Cordia doesn't belong here ... but then again Director's Cut and Suspended Animation does, so it should be included for completeness. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to: 
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Posted By: Skooma
Date Posted: June 05 2005 at 23:13
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They're more like Technical Death Metal then prog Metal, really.
------------- Bang, bang, Maxwell's silver hammer Came down upon her head Bang, bang, Maxwell's silver hammer Made sure that she was dead |
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: June 06 2005 at 10:15
| Meshuggah is great! They have some proggy tunes and some REALLY complex time-signatures (23/16, 12/8, etc.) through each album. But im not sure if i would add them to the archives?! |
Posted By: TLZ*
Date Posted: June 15 2005 at 15:59
They are NOT any kind of death metal, no doubt about this. As stated, they started out as a straightvforward metal(thrash metal to be exact, I might add) with jazz complexities in regard to timing and riff arrangement. However, they progressed into a even more complex and "jazzy" style. They have IMHO without any doubt evolved into progressive metal, or extreme progressive metal you might say, since they are surely aggresive enough to be classified as a type of extreme metal. |
Posted By: goose
Date Posted: June 17 2005 at 05:42
| And the type of extreme metal (the guitars, anyway) is death metal, surely? It's certainly not black metal or grindcore! The vocals I've heard or sort of weird post thrashy stuff though. I may not be very up to date, though. |
Posted By: Retrovertigo
Date Posted: June 17 2005 at 15:11
| Did someone say 23/16 time? I think they are prog-metal. Excellent group. |
Posted By: Interbeing
Date Posted: June 17 2005 at 18:52
| as much as i love meshuggah (i own all their albums), but they hardly should be classified as prog metal. they are a technical thrash band, with tints of jazz. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 18 2005 at 05:32
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So you have Catch 33, too? ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: TLZ*
Date Posted: June 19 2005 at 10:09
The guitars are in no way death metal. It isn't the amount of distortion that defines death metal(even though it is an important ingridient) it is the melodies/riffs. And from what I've heard Meshuggah's riff are not death metal, thei're earliest riff are kinda thrash-like but their later stuff is something else, they're thrash based but have a very strong jazz/fusion influence. The bands that you could compare Meshuggah with are bands like Ephel Duath, Textures, Spiral Architect and other metalbands that are strongly infleunced by jazz/fusion and prog. |
Posted By: Chooks
Date Posted: June 24 2005 at 12:16
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As i have said earlier their later albums I and Catch 33 have are prog metal albums not only through their time signatures and technicality but through the way that they arrange their songs through the albums (although I is only one song). Catch 33 is pretty much one song split into 13 parts if all these factors don't put Meshuggah into prog metal then alot of bands on the archives who are included because of similar factors should be reconsidered (not saying i disagree with the bands that are on this page but whats good for one is good for another i reckon. I want to leave you guys question, is Catch 33 the heaviest concept album made to date? ------------- Listening to Porcupine Tree In Absentia, POS Remady Lane, Anthrax Sound of.., Meshuggah Catch 33 |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 24 2005 at 12:32
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If you consider Dillinger Escape Plan's Miss Machine a concept album, it's a hot contender. And as SYL didn't yet make a concept album ... I think Catch 33 really is the heaviest prog metal album to date! ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: goose
Date Posted: June 25 2005 at 09:25
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I've been listening to a lot of the older bands coming around where thrash was mutating into death - so at the minute thrash riffs with a lot of distortion sound like death metal |
Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: June 26 2005 at 12:42
| I've just listened to Meshuggah's album "Nothing" and although I think the album is GREAT, I can't see the technicality in the music. Crazy time signatures? I've no idea what that means but this doens't seem very complex music to me! Could somebody explain? |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 26 2005 at 12:53
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Try to name their signatures ... most of the time the instruments play different signatures simultaneously. But Nothing is not their best album ... I'd recommend Destroy Erase Improve if you're into complex Thrash, and Catch 33 if you're into really weird stuff. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: June 26 2005 at 13:02
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Okay I'm starting to see some pretty mean complexity here now. Especially songs like "Straws Pulled at Random" and "Glints Collide" are very proggy.
Mike, I still don't know a thing about time signatures so I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be able to name them even if they kicked me in the ass..  
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 26 2005 at 13:41
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check out this thread: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7412&PN=7 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=7412&a mp;PN=7 I don't think that it is important to understand the musical theory. If you want to try: Pick an easy song in 4/4 and try to tap along with your foot, counting 1-2-3-4-1-2-3-4-1-2-3-4-... If you tell me what popular prog metal albums you've got, I can give you one or two examples of more complex signatures that are easy to recognize. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: June 26 2005 at 13:45
I've got all DT and Opeth albums, but not a lot else.. |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 26 2005 at 13:56
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The beginning of Caught In A Web is a good example, it alternates between 3/4 (8 times) and 4/4 (8 times). So it's 1-2-3 x8, then 1-2-3-4 x8. Another example is Panic Attac from Octavarium. It starts in 4/4, and then get's a little weird: 5/8 5/8 5/8 4/8 x4. Don't panic You can learn it yourself by trying to tap along and finding out where the "1" is. 1-2-3-4-1 ... means that this section of the song consists of patterns that keep repeating, and those patterns are divided into 4 notes of equal length. If it's too complicated, nevermind ... you don't have to do this.
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Posted By: Adphant
Date Posted: June 26 2005 at 21:38
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I find headbanging as an easier (and more brutal) method to count! hehe Back to topic: Well, then, EVERY complex band is Prog |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: June 27 2005 at 02:09
What makes you say that? That's nonsense. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to:
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Posted By: Logos
Date Posted: June 27 2005 at 07:25
| Meshuggah is surely prog. They must be added. |
Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: June 27 2005 at 22:00
| They've been added. Hurrah. |
Posted By: Adphant
Date Posted: June 28 2005 at 00:36
Many "prog legends" would agree: if you want to do something new on music, you must be progressive. Or are you talking about the headbanging? |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: June 28 2005 at 21:46
I agree, they are 'Math rock,' I was quite surprised to find they've been added to the archives. I do not find their lyrics and concepts anything worthy of being labeled a 'Prog metal' band. |
Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: June 28 2005 at 22:58