Workstation Sequencers
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Topic: Workstation Sequencers
Posted By: jampa17
Subject: Workstation Sequencers
Date Posted: April 05 2010 at 10:22
I have been working lately during my free time over my Workstation and finally tame the sequencer, which is something very easy to use (and I was too lazy to learn how to use it) so now I'm looking to compose and make songs directly with my workstation and recording it and see how things flows. I have one song already made inspired in the flow of the tracking and recording. So, I know here are a lot of great Keyboard experts so, if someone have an advise, a tip or anything useful about Sequencers and workstations I'm all ears...
 I'm using the Korg M-50... which uses technology from the M-3, so, I'm all ears if someone help me with the process of recording... what do you say guys?
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: April 05 2010 at 10:25
Cool, I just got a http://keyboards-midi.musiciansfriend.com/product/Yamaha-QY100-Sequencer-Accompaniment-Tool?sku=701491">
http://keyboards-midi.musiciansfriend.com/product/Yamaha-QY100-Sequencer-Accompaniment-Tool?sku=701491 - Yamaha QY100 Sequencer Accompaniment ToolStill haven't sat down with it to figure it all out. Got stuck at getting it communicate MIDI wise with my synth and computers. So far I got my synth to change the default patch for the keyboard on it and I'm not entirely sure how that happened. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: jampa17
Date Posted: April 05 2010 at 10:28
Cool... don't forget to tell us how that thing works... seems like a comfortable tool... good luck with that...  ------------- |
Slartibartfast wrote:Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: April 05 2010 at 10:45
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Jampa, I don't know how you have the patience to use an 'on board' hardware sequencer. You would find a PC or Mac software based program much, much easier to navigate (like SONAR, Cubase, Logic etc) That way you can 'see' your whole arrangement in front of you without having to fiddle around with 28 button presses for nested sub-pages etc I used a Korg M1 hardware sequencer for about a week a long time ago and suffered tears of frustration tying to get a semblance of an arrangement up and running.  You should upload some of your music so we can hear it. ------------- 
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Posted By: jampa17
Date Posted: April 05 2010 at 10:52
I don't know, but the system of my M-50 is quite comfortable... the touch screen is very accesible and the recording process is quite good... I know the software is easier but for me is very complicated to do two things you know, like playing and learning a process in a PC... so, having my workstation wherever like in my bed or in my desk is quite great and not having PC's around... and I do encourage you to try this wonderful touch screen... is very intuitive... the only problem is that I can only record over a SD card... that's why I don't have the recording in my computer yet... but I will post my songs anytime soon... is just that the first one is too improvised... now I will start doing more structured songs... thanks Lain... ------------- |
Posted By: Rabid
Date Posted: May 17 2010 at 12:36
Systems Exclusive Data..........welcome to the nightmare !!  ------------- "...the thing IS, to put a motor in yourself..." |
Posted By: jampa17
Date Posted: May 19 2010 at 17:53
So Slarti... how's it going with the sequencer... I think I will post a sample of my recording next week... so far.. so good...  ------------- |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: May 19 2010 at 18:01
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Thanks for asking. I still haven't made a serious effort to dig in and learn how to use it yet. It's really difficult when I can just pick up the old acoustic guitar... However, I'm a bit of a gadgeteer, so I will get around to it sooner or later. Looking forward to checking out your sample. Will stay tuned.  Although now that you've mentioned it, I might have to set aside a half hour tonight to fool around with it. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: May 19 2010 at 22:16
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Posted By: jampa17
Date Posted: May 20 2010 at 23:32
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Well Guys, is finally here... the song made with the help of the sequencer of my M-50, I have to tell you, it only took my like two hours to record all the keyboard tracks which were 2 for drums, 1 for bass, 2 for strings, 1 for piano, 1 for a lead sound and 1 more for something that I don't remember but it was 7 different lines, and I only added two guitars of my portastudio... so... I will like your comments... thanks...
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Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: May 21 2010 at 02:45
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Common Juan, give us mp3 file. It says I have to register in order to download. Use some filesharing service as many starting artists do :-) (I don't like/use stream) ------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu  Even my |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: May 21 2010 at 08:07
That was really great, Juan. Excellent,
upbeat music.  It reminds me of http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=10234 - this , which I think you' really like. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: jampa17
Date Posted: May 21 2010 at 09:19
Strange... you can just push play and you can hear it... but well... I will try a different way for yourself... OK..?
Thanks Rob... I don't know that album... but I check it out and let you know.. OK...? thanks... ------------- |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: May 21 2010 at 10:20
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Posted By: Rabid
Date Posted: May 21 2010 at 22:02
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: May 21 2010 at 22:20
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I will say this for the Yamaha, if I were stuck waiting at an airport or a hospital emergency room it's really nice and compact and I'd be having a ball while waiting. The keyboard isn't velocity sensitive but like any instrument when you adapt yourself to playing it, it can be a lot of fun.
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Posted By: Rabid
Date Posted: May 21 2010 at 22:22
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Hey....wasn't being funny or disrespectful.....Systems Exclusive Data can seriously have you pulling your hair out......especially when you use it with another synth of a different make. QY-100 is XG, right ? Try controlling that with a GS based synth, like a Roland, or Korg.....Sys-Ex is sent when you hit the play button. Trouble IS, GS messages dont mean much to an XG synth.....thats why you get totally unexpected things happening ie: voices changing by (seemingly) themself. This is the world of MSB (Most Significant Byte) and LSB (Least Significant Byte) that kept me on the phone to Yamaha UK for 3.5 years. Prepare for some SERIOUS manual reading.
Hope it goes well for ya.
ps: the QY-100 is velocity sensitive.....the trick IS, to edit with a PC.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: May 21 2010 at 22:25
And all the hype made it seem like the thing would be so easy. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Rabid
Date Posted: May 21 2010 at 22:34
LOL.....if only !!.........  ------------- "...the thing IS, to put a motor in yourself..." |
Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: May 21 2010 at 23:02
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Yamaha makes it all seem so easy. After said two pounds of limes and two bottles of Patron, myself, I finally gave in and bought a Yamaha 16-track recorder, and now I do my sequencing the old fashioned way: live, one track at a time. Yes I know, I should learn to use the sequencer, but no sufficient time now, being one of those few people who seems to still have a job here in the USA and the corporate masters seem to think we should work 12 hour days and be happy about it. ------------- Can you tell me where we're headin'? Lincoln County Road or Armageddon. |
Posted By: seventhsojourn
Date Posted: May 22 2010 at 13:56
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Ok Juan... nice work there, and some interesting ideas. Will you be adding vocals? The piano section in the middle... nice contrast and I think you could develop that idea further... seems a bit brief, but just my first impressions.
How did you transfer from the workstation? Anyway, keep doing it... and keep us posted on the band and your other projects. Well done, you're a great guy!
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Posted By: jampa17
Date Posted: May 23 2010 at 11:37
Thanks Chris... well, this is the instrumental introduction of the album, so I want to keep it brief for now and then in the next songs I will extend the ideas, not exactly those riffs but some new ideas related of this particular song, I want to bring out a piano based song and a couple of acoustic songs as well...
Yes, It would have lyrics, not this song but in the rest of the album, I have three female singers in mind, each one will sing for a particular character of the story... I just don't find a good male singer... I just don't like the voices of the singers I know... and this has to be made with friends you know... I can't pay for a pro-singer so...
and for your last question, I do all the mix, pan and effects in the workstation... plug the M-50 to a multitrack recorder and just push play so everything is recorded as a song completed, just added the guitars in the multitrack and then made a "master track", exported as a wav file through USB connection to the computer. So I even can apply some digital modification if I want in my computer... in that particular song I used a "pre-mastering" filter..
Thanks for your comments... I will be bringing out more soon.... thanks for all the support... ------------- |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: May 25 2010 at 13:27
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Sounds good Juan. Not a style of music that I'm into, but well constructed. I can't say much about the bits I did like, since they are good, so picking up on the bits I didn't may sound like I'm being all negative, but that's not the intension. So... I didn't like the electronic percussion intro - that transcribed into something more natural/organic sounding would be better for me, perhaps using found sounds, but if that cold artificial sound in contrast with the more natural (percussion) sound later is what you're after then it's all good. I would also change the dynamics a little - dropping the piano interlude a few dB to make it a touch quieter and understated so when the riff kicks back in it has more impact and drama - but again, that's personal preference and without knowing what the next track will be like (or the whole flavour of the album) it's difficult to gauge how the opener should sound. ------------- What? |
Posted By: jampa17
Date Posted: May 25 2010 at 13:44
Oh... thanks Dean... I'm taking notes from all the comments to try to pulish a little the ideas and apply some things in the next songs and even in the intro... Yes... I want a contrast between electronic perc and "real" drums... I will work on this more time and keeping you inform about my progress... thanks for the opinions Dean... I appreciate them a lot... ------------- |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 29 2010 at 07:17
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This thread's been dormant since May. I thought I'd pop in with a progress report on my QY100. I finally spent a little time with it and figured out how to access all the sounds. I had a lot of fun when I got to the percussion banks. One step at a time. I still haven't got the computer interface worked out, but for the sake of having some fun, I'm probably going to lay down a percussion track I can improvise to. I'm guessing yours has the intro, middle bits, fill, and ending set up. I found that when you have one the presets running you can hold down more than one of the buttons and get some interesting combinations. Kind of brings me back to when I got my first synth. It had an arpeggiator and I found that you could make some really cool sounding music by turning it all the way up and playing a patch that had a really long envelope. You could also create some really spacey effects by turning the knob up and down really quick.
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Posted By: jampa17
Date Posted: August 30 2010 at 10:42
Great man... sound like you are having fun there... moving the knobs is the best way to get things funny... seems like it's easy to work with... I hope you will post some material soon so we will enjoy together of the material... great dude...!!! ------------- |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 30 2010 at 12:53
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You know, I haven't recorded anything I've done since the '80's. I may yet get bold and share. All of my cassette recordings from back then were ruined in the flood. I'm still trying to find a DVD that I made off a VHS where I put some of my original creations to videos. If I can locate a copy I might post on You Tube, then if I get any slings and arrows it will be about stuff that's really old now. It's a really versatile device. It's set up to be an accompaniment device for guitar, keyboard, and vocals. But until I get the computer interface working, I'm not sure I'll be able to use it to it's full potential. What's funny, is that I can run my electric guitar through it and it does effects and amplifier simulations, my new amp does amplifier simulations (why, why, why??? ), and my new guitar effects box does amp simulations, so if I were to run a signal through all three devices, I'm thinking the gates of hell would open if I just got the right combination.  ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: jampa17
Date Posted: August 30 2010 at 14:34
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Nice...!!!
Well, I hope you record something new with that thing so we can share that... I'm intrigued how it works and everything. I became a little lazy in the last weeks but I'm thinking in getting my hands over the workstation again in the near future...
if you appear in the DVD man, you should not waste any more time and find it and post it man... I'm serious...!!! ------------- |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 30 2010 at 14:40
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No, I most certainly do not appear. This was before the age of cheap camcorders. So the video is stuff I copied off TV. But I actually created some video that worked rather well as far as timing goes. If I'm going to share something, it will probably be a performance taped on my camcorder. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: jampa17
Date Posted: August 30 2010 at 20:11
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Well, I will be waiting then...!!! ------------- |