Have I offended anyone?
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Topic: Have I offended anyone?
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Subject: Have I offended anyone?
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 01:29
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Lately I'm getting the feeling like many of you take offense when I start threads about anything except music, even if I only start maybe one such thread per month (at the most), and I start those threads in the proper categories. Furthermore, I've posted some critical remarks about the new sister website of PA and got the usual negative replies (basically just versions of "your website looks like sh*t anyway"). So: Have I offended anyone, and if so, what's the offense? Feel free to answer here, by PM, or simply ignore the question.  ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 01:50
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I'm sorry you're feeling that way Mike, to be honest I've noticed that a little bit and I'm not sure what the issue is, except maybe a sort of 'well you kept pushing your site, stepped down from a team, and you still want to be friends ?!' kind of playground nonsense. I don't know. I do know I still like you. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 01:52
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No Mike. I don't think so. You know I always joke about your website but I love it. If you feel offended by that, I'm sorry then.
Maybe the time when you started many threads about religion gave you a "stubborn" reputation that wasn't helped when, after creating a thread about dieting, you went to a thread where a member asked for prayers to say, basically, "i don't pray, go diet". I know it was not your intention, but it sounded harsh.  ------------- 
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 01:55
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^^ Thanks, and likewise! Well, I used to think that I still show support for PA through providing the genre team charts. I know what you mean regarding pushing my website, but I haven't really done that lately ... except for occasionally pointing out some differences between the websites. But in my experience I lately get flak for all sorts of things that are neither related to PF nor PA. Is it all a bit childish? Sure, but then again we all are childish in our love for music, and I'm certainly glad about that. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 01:58
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Mike you deserve more credit for what your site is useful for even if usability issues arise from time to time, pity it is not acknowledged more by major shareholders here.
It is the people that made PA what it is
You are a tenacious fellow and all credit to you for that! ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 01:59
I know what you mean. I made another post there to clarify that I was only trying to provide some advice that might be useful to him. In hindsight, I probably should not have mentioned the word "pray" at all in my post, and everything would have been fine. BTW: I didn't start "many threads about religion" - I started two polls and a third one that I had closed shortly afterwards, if I remember correctly. Those discussions were very active, so it might have looked to some like I was spamming the place. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
The T wrote:Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 03:18
| Haven't noticed anyone taking "offence" Mike, or insulting your site. Have you been spammed privately? |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 03:20
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^ no, just referring to the increased knee jerk reactions lately.
------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 03:38
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Much of this goes over my head. I dont think I've ever been offended by you. My impression of you - rightly or wrongly - is that you are someone who speaks your mind, but there's no crime in that as far as I'm concerned.
Some people are very delicate and over sensitive. It's worth remembering that on a forum, I guess. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 03:46
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I guess that I'm sometimes a bit overzealous ... maybe that adds to the impression that some people get about me creating dozens of threads.
------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: seventhsojourn
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 03:58
I think I must come in to this category. In a completely unrelated thread I recently asked what I thought was a reasonable, polite question that wasn't loaded in any way (at least not for me). I received one reply that made me feel I had just had 6 of the best off teacher, if that expression still means anything to people!
What I will say to the OP here is that although we may have crossed swords he at least replied to me, which I appreciate.
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 04:11
It wasn't me, was it? If so, sorry!!!
Whatever was said, did it actually offend you? It would seriously take a lot to offend me. It would take more than a squabble over music, or even the 'cut of someones gib' They would have to directly attack me, personally. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: seventhsojourn
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 04:24
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No it wasn't you, so no need to apologise! The comment just made me feel small, like nothing really. Like I say though, I'm maybe too sensitive for all this forum malarky. Thing is, I come here for fun etc, not to get wound up. I've got to thank the OP for this thread though. Unfinished business isn't good for you... |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 05:45
So there's two of us  ... I have had to stop posting in some threads because it was positively bad for my health, so I would be one of the least likely people to attack someone else - unless I am in a particularly bad mood (which unfortunately happens). Personally, Mike, though I may disagree on your stance on some things, the last time I felt offended by you was a long time ago, and it had to do with musical questions. I have noticed people making fun of you, but I don't believe anyone is doing it to offend you - certainly Teo isn't. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 05:48
I have noticed that many people don't get the humour in many of my posts - I have a tendancy of making fun of just about everything, though what I think is amusing doesn't amuse everybody (also, I think the see the avatar and the admin tag and assume I'm being stern and serious - I'm not like that in real life [you can't have a birthdate like mine and remain serious
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You are a person with very strong convictions, however, you do give the surface impression of someone who reads a book and swallows the content whole, then takes that as a new crusade that will be the general panacea for all. I have an enquiring and sceptical mind that doesn't accept one account of something as being the general proof so my replies and posts in response to this are my attempt to probe your understanding and knowledge for my own benefit - to test the veracity of your claims if you like, but not to question your convictions or understanding - your posts are just another source of information to my own knowledge pool. In most things I tend to agree with the gist of what you say, but not perhaps the methods you use, the conclusions you draw or the belief that everyone should adopt your new "faith". (I don't really think that you want everyone to follow or agree with you, but that is the impression you give in your replies to peoples replies). Offended? No, not me.
As to ProgFreak ... it's a great site and one you should be proud of (it's not for me since I don't like rating and reviewing - for me music is just for listening to) - I have returned to it recently for Crossover evaluations as Olav is a "fan" (and the volume of suggestions is too much for any other tracking system).
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Posted By: toroddfuglesteg
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 05:59
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Please note that a joke in Los Angeles, USA is regarded an offensive remark in Ulan Bator, Mongolia. I have worked in a multi-cultural environment for two decades now and have done some bloomers due to cultural clashes. The worst I have ever done was due to a language-cultural error. A nice girl was showing me a picture with her big cat sleeping on her lap. My remark was "Oh, what a big hairy pussy you have". In Norwegian-English, I was referring to her cat. In English, it did not quite come across like that. Hence the office erupting in laughter. I ate a lot of humble pies that day. So beware that this is a multicultural environment. Btw. I have yet to be offended here due to being aware of the cultural differences between the Americans and myself as an European loner. |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 06:10
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I managed to upset someone here, a few years back by using the expression 'Taking the p*ss' in a review of a Brian Eno album. I think the point I made was that I felt Eno was taking the proverbial out of Bryan Ferry, or Roxy Music generally, on the album in question.
I recieved a PM from one of our admins saying a complaint had been raised by a forum member in South America about the expression, which he deemed very offensive. I edited the review accordingly, but I think the issue was context. The expression was taken to mean something completely different from what I intended. Goes to show what toroddfuglesteg says is very true, and we should be aware. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 06:29
It is remarkably easy to offend and be offended on the internets. I find stepping back and taking a breath before responding helps - looking at the offending post in context and looking for alternative meanings and interpretations can allow you to see the post from a different perspective. Sometimes the poster doesn't know he/she has offended anyone since that was never their intent. There is a classic example in the http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=37532&PID=3328145#3328145 - Intelligent People's thread where I persistently ribbed Brian until he snapped - I wasn't trying to be offensive, officious or rude, just following the course of the exchange and pushed it too far. Here he was reacting to a preconception of what I was like based upon status, not on personality.
Often we jump to conclusions based on minor cultural differences and preconceptions of what the person is like. The thumbnail personality profles we have of people here are based upon scant information and will be woefully inaccurate. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 06:39
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Dean, as a linguist, I am all too aware of the limitations of the written medium as compared to face-to-face interaction. In most cases, if we were to have a conversation with another PA member in real life, we wouldn't even dream of being offended, because their meaning would be made explicit by other factors (tone of voice, gestures, facial expressions, and so on). This does not happen on the Internetz, so it's easy to take offense when there is none intended - though, of course, nasty words always mean the same.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 06:45
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 06:46
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just use alot of emoticons
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 06:50
Because Tuesday night I am going to block the IPs of all German posters.  Whether you support Bayern or not!  |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 08:16
Well, in that case I guess I should work on my phrasing ... indeed I don't want to convince people or simply get them to agree with me. Especially with that dieting thread I was really hoping to get a discussion going about the theories that I endorse. I wouldn't call them "faith" in this particular case ... the theories are sound, and much of the details have been in medical textbooks for years. But of course the decision to make a major change in your diet although the "Conventional Wisdom" (as Mark Sisson refers to it in Primal Blueprint) disagrees ... I guess you could say that it requires a leap of faith at least to some extent.
Indeed, Olaf is a heavy contributor  . You say that you don't like rating and reviewing ... you could still use the playlist service though, and once or twice let us know about an album that you listened to. Throughout the last year I've been working hard to remove dependencies at PF ... you can use the playlist without rating, you can rate without assigning tags, you can assign tags but not rate an album etc..But if you choose not to: It's no big deal for me. I'll just try to improve the system so that more people might start to use it by themselves. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 08:32
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^ I don't even use LastFM - I turned off the scrobbler two years ago ------------- What? |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 08:53
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^ I've met a few people over the years who say that they categorically won't tell others what they listen to ... I don't understand that mind set, but I accept that it exists.
------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 09:01
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^ I occasionally post in "What the hell is that you are playing now?!" type threads, so I'm not adverse to it if and when it prompts a conversation, but most of the time it doesn't. On LastFM I was playing a lot of Xover evaluation music that was getting logged (and a fair bit of my own stuff ) which skewed my LastFM profile. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 09:13
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^ that's one of the reasons why I don't maintain my Last.fm profile any more ... it still logs what I play, but I much prefer the PF way (naturally) by which I simply add an interesting album that I listened to to my playlist. The advantage compared to a forum thread is that the information is stored structurally. For example, when you add an album and tag it "Eclectic Prog Rock", it will automatically add the artist as a suggestion for the appropriate team. It also only takes a few moments to do that, so it's not like you have to decide whether you use PF or any other method. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 09:31
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You haven't offended me dude I admit, I did get a little tired of the Atheist/Religious threads, but I just chose to ignore them because they weren't my cup of tea. Not offended in any way though, it's cool. ------------- "Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value." Arnold Schoenberg |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 09:45
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offended? no, not really. but certainly annoyed at times. this only refers to threads in which the existence of God was discussed, and some of your remarks in that regard were a bit down the nose, in the vein of "well, you are a nice woman Jean, but a bit daft when it comes to the existence of God". I did not really feel offended though -------------  A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 09:55
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Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 10:37
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Mike! You're an intelligent person, great orator and great contributor...and I'm not talking about the website of yours, which is an entire galaxy that deserves credit...I'm talking about you as a person..it's always great to have you around (and I have to admit, even if I sometimes disagree with you, most of the time I like your 'train of thoughts'). ------------- |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 10:49
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First thing is you shouldn't worry about offending people sometimes. Chances are, you'd be a very boring person if you did. I personally joke about almost everything on here, and If people get offended at "f**k" and occasional crudeness then they've got a bushel of sticks up their ass. Anyway, I should say that it's almost impossible to have a discussion on religion without offending anyone. It's even impossibler to take the position of of a hardcore, unflinching science guy. You're bound to irritate some people. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 11:10
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Thanks for all the support (and/or criticism)! BTW: Of course I'll continue to irritate people ...  ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 11:18
Oh well, one can always discuss what's most daft about having a religious belief or having a belief in the power of pyramids, healing, magnetic fields, crop circles, Wicca, the Loch Ness Monster and all the other fluff people fill the void in their minds with if they find religion to be too demanding ;-) ------------- Websites I work with: http://www.progressor.net http://www.houseofprog.com My profile on Mixcloud: https://www.mixcloud.com/haukevind/ |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 12:27
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I kind of think if you're not offending someone you're not doing something right.
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 12:38
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I miss that Mike from the music threads...
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Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 14:09
------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 14:21
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^ this clearly depends on how you define "God". If you're talking about the "Einsteinian" god, then I certainly won't disagree.
------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 14:30
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Oh no, no, no, not another thread about religion! You stop it now! Let's rather talk about the need for fat and sugar in a honest diet. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 14:36
How about we combine the two and discuss the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diet_of_Worms - Diet of Worms ? ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 15:11
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Absolutely no offence from the dark Western corner of Wales, and I love PF site as well. NOW will you improve my trust status .....Just joking. You are a valued member of this community and I tend to find that people who do give rise to genuine offence here on a regular basis get very short shrift, and quite rightly to.------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 15:55
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Not at all, Mike. Nor Chris. Stick around, bud. |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 16:05
no, I am not talking about the Einsteinian God. but I am also not talking of "God the wandweaver" who can let just anything happen. I think of the world not as a combination of matter and energy. for me the world is a gigantic process, maed of myriad of subprocesses which interact with each other. and the sum of all these processes is "God". the question is: does this God have a consciousness? to answer that we first have to answer where consciousness comes from, something which is still a total mystery to scientists. all we know is that human beings appear to have one; at least every human being believes him/herself to have one and by inference that other human beings also do. but what exactly IS this consciousness? one thing is for certain: it is a highly complex, self-referential process. now I propose that any process of a certain level of complexity and self-refference will develop a consciousness. at least some processes do; human beings are living proof of that. and the most complex and self-reflective process in the world is of course the Cosmic Process (a word I use instead of "universe", since for me everything is a process). my proposal is that this process has a consciousness too, and this consciousness I call "God". some may argue that this is quite a leap of faith, but I don't agree. on the contrary, I think it is nothing but the last recess of anthropocentrism to believe that our consciousnesses are the only conscious processes in the world. I see no reason why consciousness should be confined to living beings only. why, the definition of what "life" actually is may as well have to be changed as our knowledge extends ------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 16:18
 ___________ As for offense Mike, none taken here, unless I should be offended about being "pigeonholed" with regard to my beliefs, but so what- it happens...I was appreciative for an opportunity to explain myself. Overall, I have thoroughly enjoyed our discussions. I should also point out that there's a big difference between being offensive and being a dick. You aren't the latter, Mike. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: zappaholic
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 20:27
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Offensensitivity.
(thank you, Mr. Breathed)
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 22:00
well... obviously I took exception to that one post you made.. and yes... reacted strongly. The man is very sick... and getting medical treatment and care by experts.. not internet jockies... I thought the dietary advice, and Ian's quoted post, were crass and pointed it out. This is unfortunately not the first time we have had members reach out to us... for support and/or as friends in very bad times. My reaction wasn't against you personally as much for the OP. who posted here looking for support and prayer.. not advice... I singled you out.. in my warped way of thinking ... not to be an a****le to you or Ian... but to show him that people care about him. not sure if you understand... but that is the way I think and see things in this paricular case. Nothing personal to you.... I'd have done it for you.. and would expect you and others to do the same for me. If I'm in a bad way.. I want your help and support... not unsoliticed advice ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 23:14
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^ yeah, that would make no sense. We need more babies to replace the people who just died, not fewer!
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 23:26
^ Yep, but it should be noted that the author of the post espousing manly 'caps lock' atheism represents an argument for birth control so compelling that not even the most senior catholic clergy would demur. ------------- 
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 23:27
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Offended...No
Annoyed...Some times.
In some ocasions specally in the Atheis6t thread you treated theists almost as not worth to be lostened that deserve no respect, you called us delusional, ignorants, fanatics, etc.
While the theists and most atheists showed respect fopr other person's belief's and doisbelief's, you clearly stated that our beliefs deserved no respect.
You may say you received harsh replies, but you seem to have some sick pleasure in causing them, people told they respected your disbelief, you replied I don't respect your beliefs,...After this, you can expect any reply.
Believe me, I know you and you can't offend me, but I understand why some people more religious than me may be offended.
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: April 02 2010 at 01:21
I know what you mean, but in that situation I simply could not walk by and not make this information available to him - I felt morally obligated to make this post. I already said that it was probably a mistake to mention the word "pray" in that situation, because it automatically triggered a defensive reaction from the religious people ("he says he doesn't pray" -> "he criticizes prayer"). Posting that advice is my form of caring for him. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: April 02 2010 at 01:28
If it's not a leap of faith, then you should be able to prove it. Does this cosmic consciousness interfere with what we know as the laws of physics? Sorry if I'm not intrigued by your theories ... I think that there's a chance that you're right, but it's much too small for me to even begin to investigate. Take only the bold part: It's a non issue. You can't prove your theory. I can't disprove it. But why should I even try? Whether your theory is true or not has absolutely no bearing on my life. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: April 02 2010 at 01:43
I try to be reasonable. I also try to be respectful of persons - but I can have no respect for unreasonable theories. It's interesting though how religious people can sometimes take personal offense when you criticize the concept they believe in. I really don't think that religion deserves any respect. If you are a true believer and at the same time you believe in concepts like freedom of speech and freedom of religion, you should simply not care about what I think about the Pope or Jesus. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: April 02 2010 at 01:54
Erm.. Mike, there is a possibility, albeit remote, that you may end up having to start another thread apologising to anyone offended by your posts in this thread which was originally created to establish if you had offended anyone prior to now ?  ooops....I think I've just disappeared up my own bottom again  BTW You have never offended me but you are one helluva stubborn critter -------------
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: April 02 2010 at 02:03
^ yup, just like most of us (just check that healthcare thread, ouch)
And I think this is what is misunderstood. You have a painfully rational mind, Mike, that's just how it is, and it's what makes you both a huge asset and a challenge |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: April 02 2010 at 02:05
I guess I'm doing what Zappa did on the album that inspired the title of this thread ... ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: April 02 2010 at 02:21
And after reading all the other reason's for offenses, can I just qualify that I was only referring to PF as a resource. Did not know about all the religious meanderings..........painfully rational mind did I see someone above say ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: April 02 2010 at 11:56
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Keep the abuse flowing. Bring it on baby!!! ------------- |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: April 02 2010 at 12:01
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Everyone should know God Is An Astronaut.
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: April 02 2010 at 12:20
Mike,you called us:
Do you believe this is trying to be respectful with the peope? Honestly, I don't care what you believe about us, but there is some mutual respect you must keep, you ask if you offended somebody, I reply not me...But I'm sure you offended many.
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: April 02 2010 at 12:58
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^ If you can't distinguish between persons and belief systems then my posts will always appear to be (personally) offensive to you ... and I'm not going to change my approach. Please note that I didn't create this poll to apologize or to ask for forgiveness for any perceived offense ... I'm merely asking whether some people were offended. BTW: I was doing some hiking today with some friends ... after we had lunch we discussed dieting, and one of them ridiculed my low-carb dieting. I wasn't offended at all, I joined in the laughter. I think that sometimes it's much more important to be able to take criticism, than to try to be politically correct. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: April 02 2010 at 12:59
I'm sure some were. But if you're not apologetic if people are offended, I wonder why you even ask the question... |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: April 02 2010 at 13:14
I wasn't sure whether there was something other than the obvious religion-related stuff ... ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: April 02 2010 at 14:28
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: April 02 2010 at 14:40
^ Take it easy man - and lay off the steroids!
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: April 02 2010 at 14:57
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By the way Mike, how come a metal personality like you haven't paid a visit to MMA? There's none of the "what's prog" issue there but there are tons of metal! -------------
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Posted By: seventhsojourn
Date Posted: April 02 2010 at 14:58
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[ BTW: I was doing some hiking today with some friends ... after we had lunch we discussed dieting, and one of them ridiculed my low-carb dieting. I wasn't offended at all, I joined in the laughter. I think that sometimes it's much more important to be able to take criticism, than to try to be politically correct. [/QUOTE] Surely there's a difference between being ridiculed by friends, and being ridiculed by a stranger. Also, I don't think a diet compares with someone's spiritual beliefs.
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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: April 02 2010 at 17:21
Surely there's a difference between being ridiculed by friends, and being ridiculed by a stranger. Also, I don't think a diet compares with someone's spiritual beliefs. [/QUOTE]You would be surprised.... |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: April 02 2010 at 17:37
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Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: April 02 2010 at 17:37
offended, defended, what's this about , a football team?  Frankly, Ma'am, we don't give a damn , off goes the wind!------------- I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: April 02 2010 at 18:38
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: April 02 2010 at 19:08
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Always have and always will like you Mike. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: April 02 2010 at 20:14
You have offended The American Carbohydrate Association. You don't want to mess with the ACA. 
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: April 02 2010 at 20:43
i see your point... but giving advice presupposes having f**king clue what you are talking about and knowing something of WHO you are talking to. To offer advice otherwise is not caring.. it is moralizing...with you and your opinions and morals being foremost.. not their situation.. of which.. you know nothing. if i am stricken with cancer and am very ill...at least i know who to turn to for dietary advice.. screw the doctors who are probably feeding their very sick patients goddamn Big Macs. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: April 03 2010 at 03:15
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^ doctors have been recommending low-fat, high-carb diets for the last 50 years ... and when certain predictions fail ("this diet will lower your cholesterol" etc), what do they do? Revise their dietary recommendation? No, maintain it and prescribe medication. You know that I'm not a doctor, and I never said I was. But that doesn't mean that I don't have a clue. I know the science behind low-carb, and I know that he's a human being. This is all I need to know in order to make the recommendation. And if you don't give a f**k about the science, then with all due respect: Stay the f**k out of the conversation. BTW: Remember who started the swearing here. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: April 03 2010 at 03:35
I probably won't go there ... for several reasons. First and foremost, I don't have the time. I think that it's a poor decision to make this a completely separate website, especially as far as the forums are concerned. Everybody is forced to create an new account there, although it is clearly the same forum software. Secondly, I admit that I am deeply hurt by the lack of support for PF in comparison to that new website. It is quite obvious to me - as a software developer - that they built MMA with the least possible efforts - but people are flocking there by the hundreds, eager to help M@x to fill the place with life. I'm hurt by this, but like I said many times before, I know that there's no way for me to get people to support me at PF, so I'm no longer actively trying to get them to. However, please don't expect me to join the party and pretend to having fun. Incidentally: When did M@x even raise his pinky to support PF? ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: April 03 2010 at 04:02
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^ you're absolutely right Mike, and I'm sorry all your hard work has not attracted the audience it deserves-- I assume it's the bells & whistles that attracts people; the graphics, discussion forum, immediate review publication, these are very attractive features that give an immediate satisfaction to members and provides an instant community where it feels as if members are as in charge as much as owners.. it's a brilliant combination and made PA what it is. Also, I assume M@x is not necessarily a metal expert and counts on the exspertise of others, where as you really know your stuff and that changes the dynamic. I wish you success someday, though, and can imagine how disappointing things have been for you. |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: April 03 2010 at 04:08
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^ Thanks! What I find curious though is your impression that at PA "members are in charge as much as owners". I've always felt that members are on a very tight leash here when it comes to artist/album additions or having a say in where the development of the website is headed. I've just read a post in the thread about MMA that asks for multi-tagging. I don't think that such a feature will ever be implemented by M@x (we've been asking for it here for many years), but the person who ask will ultimately just bow to M@x. Or in other words: Home is where the herd is. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: April 03 2010 at 04:17
| I said it "feels as if members are in charge" .. and BTW let's face it, the people with the real power at PA are the SCs |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: April 03 2010 at 04:32
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^ only when it comes to artist additions, and if there's no veto from the owners.
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: April 03 2010 at 04:36
| well if my team ever made an addition that was vetoed by anyone, I'd leave in a heartbeat |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: April 03 2010 at 04:44
Hey Mike,
despite our (very) different views on many subjects and leaving and coming back and endless self-promotion for PF (and that's not prog folk
 ) and your sometimes harsh criticism of the soooooo unperfect site (and I agree it is) your posting on >>> but that's long ast (for me anyway) .... I haven't noticed that you are getting more slack than before. ...... But then again, I'm not in your shoes, so it's difficult for me to judge past this.... I barely post here anymore (in this part of the forum), but it doesn't mean I don't read around, once in a while....
I haven't read your thread past the first few posts, mainly because if someone does have griefs with you, it's none of my business.... so I won't read it
But IF I was you, I sure as hell wouldn't open threads like this , opening avenues or boulevards for possible cheap shots and others blows leading straight to your heart out in the public .... Hopefully for you, no-one has done so.
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: April 03 2010 at 04:50
I'm not saying that's a huge problem, and in general the genre teams are doing great work and there isn't any need for vetoes. However, on my website everyone can add any band they like, and I always thought that was a good thing. Nowadays it seems like nobody is even recognizing it. People seem to be content with deferring judgment to the teams, or with waiting months before they can review an album because the team is busy discussing other bands. I guess I simply was wrong in assuming that when you offer a website that fixes these problems, people would take notice. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: April 03 2010 at 05:11
^ well after 5 pages of threads you can't really lose Something is going on............------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: April 03 2010 at 05:23
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^ well, it does seem strange to me that people seem to find this thread more interesting than the one about nutrition ... well, maybe I'm the only one with a weight problem here. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: April 03 2010 at 05:27
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^ I like to eat and I enjoy a balanced diet, so carbs are just as important as protein to me, but I don't have a weight problem and I'm sure the low-carb thing is effective for weight loss |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: April 03 2010 at 05:34
Could shed a few pounds myself ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: toroddfuglesteg
Date Posted: April 03 2010 at 05:36
Count me in too............. I am doing a 800 km long charity ride over 7 days in the beginning of July (in 95 days time). I am 15 kgs over my match weight and untrained. 300 km of those 800 km goes through Western Ross. There is hardly a flat piece of road in that area. The rest is exposed to wind and the elements, being out on the islands here. PANIC !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: April 03 2010 at 05:38
^ and so you should panic...........you must be mad
But hey Scotland has no place for woosies right? ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: toroddfuglesteg
Date Posted: April 03 2010 at 05:42
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True. I am a madman. Totally. I will be OK at the end though. The best thing is that the cold weather, besides of creating havoc with my training regime, also have killed some trillion midges. That means I can rely on blood supply to and from my heart during that tour. Which is a nice, unexpected bonus. |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: April 03 2010 at 06:23
And ... what will you be riding? ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: April 03 2010 at 06:27
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^ doubt it would be a big buxom blonde..........................erm ...bicycle? ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: April 03 2010 at 06:27
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i can't say I have been offended by your threads, in fact nobody has actually offended me here yet, UNLIKE A CERTAIN FORUM i STAY WELL CLEAR OF <COUGH> IMDB<COUGH> ------------- 
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: April 03 2010 at 07:29
| I like IMDB some funny reviews there, but yes some of the reviews are realy silly and cant be said to be overly objective. |
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: April 03 2010 at 07:33
An ambulance after the first 50 k most likely.  ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: April 03 2010 at 07:45
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Where is this thread going Mike and has it elicited the required feedback to the OP ? Should some feckless soul actually step up to mark and claim they have been offended by any of your previous posts, you clearly do not plan to either retract or express regret for having done so ? Ergo, we are all cognisant that some of our views may alienate some members of PA but the overwhelming majority do not seek to elicit confirmation of same via a 'collateral damage report'. Five pages of 'we agree to differ' is borderline offensive Nuke the critter -------------
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: April 03 2010 at 08:40
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By the way, I just want to say, regarding your site, it's been an extremely valuable tool for me for evaluating Crossover nominees. Also, best of luck with your weight loss regimen. People sometimes get a little too pissy around here. If you're not here for the fun, there are probably better uses of your time. I was about to post in that thread where you made the dietary recommendation to the guy seeking prayers that you can count on ProgArchives for prayers, best wishes, and low carb diet advice. Then I had to wonder, would this really cheer the guy up? Maybe I should have been bolder. And who knows? Maybe his health problems are diet related, maybe not. So anyway 'nuff said... ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: toroddfuglesteg
Date Posted: April 03 2010 at 08:46
Make that fifteen pages when I have shared with you all the heart-attack inducing trivialities from a dull life. No. ProgFreak has not offended me. I have never had any online conversations or exchanges of views with ProgFreak. So just to get that one sorted out; I say "how do you do" to Mr. Prog Freak. |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: April 03 2010 at 11:16
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Well, how do you do.
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: April 03 2010 at 13:22
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: April 03 2010 at 14:35
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