punk prog???
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Topic: punk prog???
Posted By: billy bob weible
Subject: punk prog???
Date Posted: March 31 2010 at 05:30
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is there such thing
i think so
i love punk rock
i love prog
hhhmmmm
the punk rock is the kid inside of me
still angry
still confused
hyperactive
i have found a couple of examples of progressive concepts in punk rock
the first two i came across was the band fear
on their debut album "fear- the record"
the songs "camarillo" and "we destroy the family"
both have odd time signatures
and in we destroy the family the guitar player pulls of a slow frippish solo
the next 3 i came across were on the 4th descendents album "all"
the songs "impressions", "iceman" and " uranus"
not so much on impressions but very much so on uranus
that band broke up and formed a band called ALL
they had some progressive songs
and example would be "charligan"
and my last example for the moment is NOFX "the decline"
its a 17 minute punk song that has several movements
very odd for a punk song
now before you guy come all down on me and say that there is no way that any of this is progressive keep in mind that all of these bands are punk bands not progressive bands
but to hear a punk band try to do something diffrent is an awesome concept to me considering the amount of talent that the average punk band has
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: March 31 2010 at 05:47
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one word: Dead Kennedys. two words - damn.  |
Posted By: Pablo_P
Date Posted: March 31 2010 at 05:47
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I can recommend you one band: Cardiacs, they play prog punk (they even used to call their music pronk...) They are already at ProgArchives, you may check them out there: http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1488 - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1488 There are some of teir songs you may listen for free there. For me, Dirty Boy is amazing... ------------- Pablo P. |
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: March 31 2010 at 05:56
| CMX's Kolmikärki is worth mentioning, although it's probably next to impossible to come by outside Finland. The songs range from hardcore to rock to prog to hymn to waltz to shamanistic mumbling. Good stuff. |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: March 31 2010 at 10:59
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I always regarded Killing Joke as a punk/prog band.. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: March 31 2010 at 12:26
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Inner City Unit (featuring Nik Turner of Hawkwind) are another punk prog band. and how about the Stranglers?
-------------  A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: March 31 2010 at 12:50
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The Volta/At the drive In/Omar punkprogheavy ------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: March 31 2010 at 12:59
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Let me seee
Floating Anarchyeeee
? ------------- Help me I'm falling! |
Posted By: Bonnek
Date Posted: March 31 2010 at 16:06
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NoMeansNo ! Especially the album "Why Do They Call Me Mr Happy?" |
Posted By: billy bob weible
Date Posted: March 31 2010 at 18:42
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im glad to see that im not the only one who has noticed prog in punk this guy timbo was trying to tell me that there was no way to make punk progressive
------------- "How I wish that the world had just one throat and my fingers were around it"- idiot flesh |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: March 31 2010 at 19:17
How about this one (quoted from Wikki)?:Album/Compact Disc/Cassette [1986]PiL's 1986 release was simply entitled http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Album_%28Public_Image_Limited_album%29 - Album , Compact Disc, or Cassette, depending on the format. The cover's blue typeface and spartan design parodied http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generic_brand - generic brands ; promotional photos featured Lydon in a "generic blue" suit surrounded by generic foods and drinking generic beer. Produced by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Laswell - Bill Laswell (despite Lydon-fuelled faction and disunion) and with many of Laswell's usual rotating cast of musicians, it also featured guitar solos by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Vai - Steve Vai , considered by Vai himself to be some of his best work. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonas_Hellborg - Jonas Hellborg , solo bassist and at the time, member of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_McLaughlin_%28musician%29 - John McLaughlin 's reformed band, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mahavishnu_Orchestra - The Mahavishnu Orchestra , played bass on the album. Jazz great http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Williams - Tony Williams and legendary http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cream_%28band%29 - Cream drummer http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ginger_Baker - Ginger Baker drummed on the album. Controversy reared again, with claims that the album cover and title concept had been stolen from the San Francisco noise/punk band, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flipper_%28band%29 - Flipper , contemporaries of PiL, whose album, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Album_-_Generic_Flipper - Album , featured a similarly unadorned sleeve. Flipper retaliated by naming their next album, Public Flipper Limited. Neil Perry gave Album a positive review in the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NME - NME :
In the liner notes of PiL's Plastic Box compilation (1999), John Lydon remarked that:
------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: GermanPROG#1
Date Posted: March 31 2010 at 21:50
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there are also the bands of named ARCHITECHTS
and also Propaghandi and they do very so much have
different sounds and progressive writings in music
for each of their last latest release albums. ------------- I may have bad english but I still am very much in love with prog! |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 09:21
That was a very interesting read. Thanks for posting! I always knew Rotten was a progger at heart..  ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Slartibartfast wrote:Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 09:26
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and how about Sleepytime Gorilla Museum? they definitely have a punk side too ------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: refugee
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 09:46
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^^ Lydon actually said that he was influenced by Magma, Can, Captain Beefheart and Van der Graaf Generator.
------------- He say nothing is quite what it seems; I say nothing is nothing (Peter Hammill) |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 10:49
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http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=64585 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=64585 http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=65147&KW=post+punk&PID=3554040#3554040 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=65147&KW=post+punk&PID=3554040#3554040
------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: Citizen Erased
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 11:14
thisthisthisthisthis ------------- And lo, the mighty riffage was played and it was good 
<a href="www.last.fm/user/jonzo67" targe |
Posted By: himtroy
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 12:11
| I always felt like the band Crystal Antlers fit prog/punk pretty well. Its more of a punk kinda band on acid though, so more of a psych/punk combo. |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 13:28
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Mike Oldfield's Punkaddidle is fine too. Also: Steve Hillage's 1988 Generator. |
Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 13:45
Indeed, this. |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 14:46
I found this while browsing wikipedia :
Pronk, or "progressive punk", a very specific and complex sounding music genre invented by renowned singer-songwriter /wiki/Tim_Smith - Tim Smith of /wiki/Cardiacs - Cardiacs also used to describe bands such as /wiki/Silvery - Silvery , /wiki/The_Display_Team - The Display Team , Little Trophy, /wiki/The_Scaramanga_Six - The Scaramanga Six , Kotúče DM.
I don't know either of the bands cited, if they are in the same league as Cardiacs I need to discover them urgently ! ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 15:09
Nothing is in the same league as Cardiacs! I've heard a few of them wot's listed there, though. I picked up Silvery's album recently. They're dead good but rather poppy. They're more akin to Sparks than Cardiacs in some ways. The Display Team (formerly Mumrah) are basically ska-prog. Imagine a ska-pop band doing an impression of Gentle Giant with Cardiacs-esque chord progressions and you're basically there. Fun, but kinda hollow and contrived. Little Trophy sound very much like early Cardiacs with added screamo vocals for some reason.  I checked out Scaramanga Six 'cause Tim Smith produced some of their stuff but it did nothing for me. Melancholy wall-of-noise alt rock type stuff. Never heard of the last one. |
Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 22:44
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Depending on the crowd you hang out with...
Just gimme some Clash. Naw, they're not prog, but they're surely eclectic. ------------- Can you tell me where we're headin'? Lincoln County Road or Armageddon. |
Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 23:45
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: April 02 2010 at 09:07
You know it!  In fact Jaz Coleman claimed that he had to sack Paul Ferguson and Raven before recording Outside the Gate because 'You cant make progressive music with a punk rhthym section'  I'm surprised they ever worked with him again. I'm glad they did.
'Brighter than a Thousand Suns' is also quite a 'proggy' album in places. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: A B Negative
Date Posted: April 10 2010 at 06:31
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Inde$troy by Saw Throat is a grindcore crustpunk concept album that might qualify. ------------- "The disgusting stink of a too-loud electric guitar.... Now, that's my idea of a good time." |