Best harpsichord use in proto-prog?
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Topic: Best harpsichord use in proto-prog?
Posted By: earlyprog
Subject: Best harpsichord use in proto-prog?
Date Posted: March 25 2010 at 08:23
Do you prefer the bombastic (Yardbirds, Piggies), the subtle (White Ship, In Held...) or other use of harpsichord in proto-prog ?
Select your song.
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: March 25 2010 at 09:14
I like how the name Sweet_water was shown by the forum filter
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: March 25 2010 at 09:17
harmonium.ro wrote:
I like how the name Sweet_water was shown by the forum filter
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I wasn't familiar with the songs and was wondering what was autobleeped there.
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Posted By: Cactus Choir
Date Posted: March 25 2010 at 09:41
Of the ones here Dawn by The Nice. If Blind by Deep Purple was one of the choices I'd have gone for that, which has a wonderfully evocative solo from Jon Lord. Another good Doors one is Wintertime Love.
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: March 25 2010 at 10:07
Posted By: earlyprog
Date Posted: March 26 2010 at 02:47
Being For The Benefit Of Mr. Kite! is popular.
However, I haven't been able to verify that what to me sounds like a harpsichord actually is a harpsichord. Lewisohn's "The Beatles Recording Sessions" doesn't mention any harpsichord on that recording. It does mention that a lot of harmonium work was done by George Martin.
I guess it would be an anticlimax if the most popular harpsichord-driven song turns out not to contain harpsichord
Similarly, it kind of sounds like a harpsichord on Shaman's Blues but can anyone corfirm this?
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Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: March 26 2010 at 04:42
Elton John playd alot of Harphiscord on his first three albums Empty Sky, st and Tubmleweed Conection, and he is verry found of it
try the songs, I Need You to Tun To, Six Years On, the Greatest Discvoery, (this is on the self titled album 1970), on TC, Come Down In Time , Love Song.
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Posted By: ten years after
Date Posted: March 27 2010 at 03:06
harmonium.ro wrote:
I like how the name Sweet_water was shown by the forum filter |
I laughed out loud when i saw that.
Anyone here ever been to Sc**thorpe on Humberside?
BTW I voted "Other" thinking of Afterwards from the Aerosol Grey Machine (Van der Graaf Generator). It sounds like harpsichord, anyway, and is the core of this undiscovered psychedelic gem.
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Posted By: moe_blunts
Date Posted: March 27 2010 at 12:32
LOL
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Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: March 28 2010 at 01:16
earlyprog wrote:
Being For The Benefit Of Mr. Kite! is popular.
However, I haven't been able to verify that what to me sounds like a harpsichord actually is a harpsichord. Lewisohn's "The Beatles Recording Sessions" doesn't mention any harpsichord on that recording. It does mention that a lot of harmonium work was done by George Martin.
I guess it would be an anticlimax if the most popular harpsichord-driven song turns out not to contain harpsichord
Similarly, it kind of sounds like a harpsichord on Shaman's Blues but can anyone corfirm this? |
No idea what the harpsichord in "Kite" is, except that it's not a harpsichord. Likewise, the "harpsichord" in "Shaman's Blues" is a synth, t'would seem; the harpsichord in "Love Me Two Times" is an electric clavichord. Therefore, it gets my vote. Or maybe "Walk Away Renee."
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Posted By: earlyprog
Date Posted: March 31 2010 at 06:15
The new info is much appreciated, Whistler, Aginor and Cactus Choir
BTW, Beatles' Fixing A Hole uses harpsichord.
And it seems that The Doors used it extensively - relatively anyway.
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Posted By: earlyprog
Date Posted: April 05 2010 at 14:16
The list represents 7 uses of harpsichord in a classical context (Nice/ars, Sweet_water/storybook, Doors/soft, Bakerloo, Beatles/because, Renaissance, Man), 6 in R&B (Yardbirds, Beatles/fixing, Traffic, Procol Harum, Sweet_water/Pete, Doors/soft), 4 uses in folk (Rolling Stones, Sweet_water/storybook, Bowie, Renaissance), 3 uses in space rock (H.P. Lovecraft, Group 1850, Beatles/because), 3 in US psyche (H.P. Lovecraft, Sweet_water/Pete/storybook), 2 in UK psyche (Nice/dawn, Beatles/piggies).
Of the classical examples those without brass/strings/woodwind work best in my opinion, i.e. Beatles/because and Renaissance, while in R&B the percussive and/or woodwind examples are best (in the former case, the Yardbirds, in the latter case Traffic and Sweet_water). Generally, folk is the best environment for the harpsichord IMO; Wakeman delivers a superb performance on Cygnet Committee - very novel in his approach far from the traditional use. Hence, this gets my vote.
Perhaps surprisingly, the use of harpsichord in Space rock is also quite unique but works very well, especially for Group 1850. It's use in UK psyche is rare, but the unusual, bombastic use in Beatles/pigges is great, but I see it more as a joke.
The eclectic environment (woodwind, strings, brass) works very well in US psyche, as opposed to classical. Again, I prefer the more bombastic use in Sweet_water's Storybook.
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Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: April 05 2010 at 16:07
Great choice, earlyprog! I'll go with Rolling Stones' Play With Fire... a song of unsurpassed beauty and non-pretentiousness.
I must mention another one, not on your list: Sport (The Odd Boy) by The Bonzo Dog Band. Incredible.
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Posted By: earlyprog
Date Posted: April 08 2010 at 14:10
Oh, before any off the list, in August (September) '64 the Beach Boys recorded (released) When I Grow Up (To Be a Man) with harpsichord.
Yet another testament to their progressive leanings.
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Posted By: earlyprog
Date Posted: April 13 2010 at 15:17
I overlooked The Moody Blues' House of Four Doors Pt.1, another fine example of harpsichord use.
It was recorded January-June '68 between Dawn and In Held Twas In I.
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Posted By: Floydman
Date Posted: April 14 2010 at 09:45
earlyprog wrote:
The list represents 7 uses of harpsichord in a classical context (Nice/ars, Sweet_water/storybook, Doors/soft, Bakerloo, Beatles/because, Renaissance, Man), 6 in R&B (Yardbirds, Beatles/fixing, Traffic, Procol Harum, Sweet_water/Pete, Doors/soft), 4 uses in folk (Rolling Stones, Sweet_water/storybook, Bowie, Renaissance), 3 uses in space rock (H.P. Lovecraft, Group 1850, Beatles/because), 3 in US psyche (H.P. Lovecraft, Sweet_water/Pete/storybook), 2 in UK psyche (Nice/dawn, Beatles/piggies).
Of the classical examples those without brass/strings/woodwind work best in my opinion, i.e. Beatles/because and Renaissance, while in R&B the percussive and/or woodwind examples are best (in the former case, the Yardbirds, in the latter case Traffic and Sweet_water). Generally, folk is the best environment for the harpsichord IMO; Wakeman delivers a superb performance on Cygnet Committee - very novel in his approach far from the traditional use. Hence, this gets my vote.
Perhaps surprisingly, the use of harpsichord in Space rock is also quite unique but works very well, especially for Group 1850. It's use in UK psyche is rare, but the unusual, bombastic use in Beatles/pigges is great, but I see it more as a joke.
The eclectic environment (woodwind, strings, brass) works very well in US psyche, as opposed to classical. Again, I prefer the more bombastic use in Sweet_water's Storybook. |
This probably doesn't count but I like the simulation of the harpsichord on "In My Life" and Paul use of the clavichord which is a sister instrument of the harpsichord on "For No One". One Beatles track that mixes the harpsichord with some heavy overdriven guitar sounds is "Not Guilty". It's a bizarre mixing of classical and hard rock.
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: April 14 2010 at 11:34
earlyprog wrote:
The new info is much appreciated, Whistler, Aginor and Cactus Choir
BTW, Beatles' Fixing A Hole uses harpsichord.
And it seems that The Doors used it extensively - relatively anyway. |
Strikes me the Doors' label Elektra Records were using harpsicord "extensively" - presumably because it was cheaper and easier to use than a Moog synthesiser, which the wealthier record labels/studios were going for at the time - check out the 4 CD boxset sampling the first 10 years of recordings from that label: Forever Changing - where you'll find along with the Doors, Love (check out the De Capo album more fully as well), Judy Collins and several more obscure bands having the harpsicholrd included in their work.
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Posted By: Ronnie Pilgrim
Date Posted: April 14 2010 at 12:40
harmonium.ro wrote:
I like how the name Sweet_water was shown by the forum filter
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Yeah, it's auto-censoring the word +wa+ ! And that's the problem with censorship in general. Just ask Tommy Smothers!
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Posted By: earlyprog
Date Posted: May 05 2010 at 04:28
Well it's a pity that harpsichord is not used on Being For The Benefit Of Mr. Kite otherwise it would clearly be the preferred harpsichord proto-prog track
There's no distinct preference for any of the remaining songs so I raise the question once again.
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Posted By: caretaker
Date Posted: May 12 2010 at 06:52
the doors "the crystal ship".
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Posted By: Cactus Choir
Date Posted: May 12 2010 at 11:35
caretaker wrote:
the doors "the crystal ship". |
I might be wrong but isn't this just piano and organ rather than harpsichord?
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Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: May 17 2010 at 12:59
Such an unlikely instrument for rock music.
I went with the Soft Parade.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: May 17 2010 at 13:53
I'm going for Blind by Deep Purple too.
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: May 21 2010 at 07:50
crimhead wrote:
Such an unlikely instrument for rock music.
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When this subject raised its head a couple of years ago, that was the initial thought. However, inevitably folks provided lists and it became increasingly evident , not so uncommon from the mid to the end fo the 60's, as pop and rock musicians went looking for a new sound to augment the drums, bass, guitar and voice. Then affordable synths arrived, than gave new sounds/colours to music and eventually could also be made to imitate harpsichords or Hammond organs, etc.
As I pointed out Elektra Records appeared to hire or buy one in for quite some time, as found on a number of recordings by their artists. You might expect the bigger studios tied to the big record labels (e.g. Decca and EMI in the UK), were recording serious music as well as pop and rock, and again producers/musicians would find harpsichords "available" in the building. But then looking at the size of many other record labels and independent recording studios, and I'm left wondering whether they could afford to hire, let alone buy a Moog synthesiser for other than the bands who were guaranteed to make profit. Hence it is suggested Decca, EMI, RCA, Columbia had the Moog and other things that took their fancy. BTW Mellotrons were a different issue, being initially UK built and used, e.g the Graham Bond Organisation owning and producing one of the first recordings in 1964/5.
For "unlikely" I would go for spinette (I can only think of a single use, ie. in conjunction with harpsichord by the Stones on Lady Jane). Vibes/vibephones were less common than harpsichord although more affordable (and transportable - as Ollie Hassall of Timebox and Patto showed). However, typical of PA, suggest an uncommon type of instrument and I guarantee there'll be dozens of responses tell us this is not true.... as occurred with the harmonium some time ago.
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Posted By: earlyprog
Date Posted: August 06 2010 at 03:13
For the record, found that theses also seem to be using the harpsichord:
Tiny Goddess Nirvana (?/July '67)
Osamu's Birthday The United States Of America (Dec '67/March '68)
The American Way of Life The United States Of America (Dec '67/March '68)
Afterwards Van Der Graaf Generator (Jan/Sep '69) (more likely piano?)
I know for a fact, that the USA used harpsichord but it is very difficult to find in the mix on their '67 output so I could be mistaken on the choices above.
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Posted By: halabalushindigus
Date Posted: August 07 2010 at 01:15
oh this is something I immediately thought of and I really like it alot. That would be Nektar's Magic Is A Child
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Posted By: Phideaux
Date Posted: August 07 2010 at 01:21
Damn, Wanderer is on of my FAVE songs EVER. What a track!
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Posted By: XTChuck
Date Posted: August 10 2010 at 14:09
ZAPPA - Uncle Meat Main Title Theme
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: August 25 2010 at 20:58
Hi,
Bahhhhh .... none of these ... gimme Alan Stivell anytime! ... and he does progressive mixes and music too!
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