Lady GaGa's "Telephone"
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Topic: Lady GaGa's "Telephone"
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Subject: Lady GaGa's "Telephone"
Date Posted: March 25 2010 at 01:44
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Lady GaGa's latest music video, which is really more of a short film, is quite bizarre. It's also one of the most explicitly PG-13 things on Youtube, with a nearly naked GaGa, brief profanity, and LESBIANS.
The 'Ga claims to be bisexual, so the LESBIANS shouldn't surprise anybody, but we are still left with one of the strangest music videos I've ever seen from a major label. So I ask you, what does it mean?
The first options are based on http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=3423 - this blog post , and I admit that the main reason I made this thread was to share this link. He has http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=1676 - a http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=2614 - whole http://vigilantcitizen.com/?p=2737 - series of these things, and they're all fantastic, as is the whole blog. But you all know how I feel about crazy people, so you may not agree.
The second set is based on an essay question somebody on another forum got in his Music and Gender class
The last set is obvious.
Personally, I'm fairly certain that it doesn't really mean anything, at least in the sense of subverting stereotypes to advance the cause of feminism blah blah blah; however, I do think that at least some of the things our Vigilant Citizen is talking about are intentional. Ga has this weird ironic thing going on with her popularity that is very annoying, but commenting on mass media seems to be something she does quite frequently, even while indulging in the very things she pretends to dislike. And strange occult imagery has resonating power, so I imagine some of that that is deliberate as well.
Also, http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/Music/03/24/lady.gaga.billion.video/index.html?hpt=C2 - The Blonde Lady has a total of over 1 billion views on Youtube. Fame can buy you a lot of things!
Also, this is the very first thread about Lady GaGa on PA, so I bet it's going to be great. If you don't post in this thread, you can't complain about repeat topics! ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Lady Gaga's music and image has been influenced by the likes of David Bowie, Fred Mercury from Queen, Michael Jackson, Madonna and Gwen Stefani. In her latest video set to the music "Telephone," Lady Gaga along with Beyonce presents an array of images of androgyny and hyper femininity in her narrative that begins with doing time in a women's prison. In this video that refers to the film Thelma and Louise, Lady Gaga weaves a tale of poisoning Beyonce's repulsive boyfriend as well as the other patrons of the restaurant, and then proceeds to drive off in the sunset with Beyonce.Replies:
Posted By: Any Colour You Like
Date Posted: March 25 2010 at 01:47
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Henry, you have far too much free time. Also, Post-Feminism, because that's the kind of psuedo-intellectual bullsh*t that keeps people on their toes. Or it is just drivel. |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: March 25 2010 at 01:54
While I skipped ahead at times, I do recommend watching at least part of it. Is this what pop music is becoming? Should we be concerned about that? There's always been http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsCXZczTQXo - very strange thematic choices (I've watched that video 10-20 times and I'm still not sure what's going on), but this seems to be taking things to a new level.
Also, I should be clear: the metaphor I am referring to is the (perceived) unthinking, passive nature of pop culture/mass media. So GaGa is talking about about Americans being hypnotized, not being hypnotized herself. This is not to insult anyone, but I've found that things that are obvious in my head aren't always clear to everybody else. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: Any Colour You Like
Date Posted: March 25 2010 at 01:59
Post-Feminism, you don't need to know the specifics of what it means, just the fact that it refutes some feminist claims, while pushing others. In other words, nothing that vanilla Feminism can't describe in a more succint manor. I've seen the video on a music TV channel, I was too apathetic to watch the whole thing. At least it's not deadly dull. |
Posted By: rpe9p
Date Posted: March 25 2010 at 02:29
| I was thinking of taking a music class next semester (im an engineer) and I think reading that prompt just completely turned me off the idea |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: March 25 2010 at 02:34
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I'd vote for options 5 & 7 combined. I was also perplexed when I first saw it. Too bad the music is awful. I mean, is this really the new Thriller? Thriller was a nice track that I liked even without the video. Same goes for a lot of successful pop before the last era of commercialism that started in the mid 90s. |
Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: March 25 2010 at 04:47
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Cross between 4 and 7, but as for one word to define the whole 10 minutes: ROFL. ------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: March 25 2010 at 04:55
| Communist propaganda. I didn't watch it though. |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: March 25 2010 at 09:07
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That essay question is crap that's just a prof. reading into pop culture, a necessarily mindless entity, with pathetic intelli-speak. The song is less than 4 minutes long, and they repeated it a lot in the video. It had good parts, and it's pretty catchy. I felt like the video was trying too hard and ended up being kind of dumb. The thing is, I like GaGa's whole attitude and persona. She reminds me of a mix of characters from the Fifth Element and Blade Runner time traveling back to us to troll everyone. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: March 25 2010 at 11:48
| I voted for BOOBS. |
Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: March 25 2010 at 13:56
| I prefer Radio GA-GA no vote |
Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: March 25 2010 at 14:19
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Well, I have consistently come out in defense of Lady Gaga's music, which I think is remarkably good pop,a dn I think this is a remarkably good video. There's a lot of controversy about it being offensive, but I think that is a bit silly. It's no more offensive than anything else out there. Should kids be watching it? No. But kids see lots of things they shouldn't and I think the impact on their fragile little minds is overstated. What does it mean? Nothing, I think. It's eye candy and ear candy, with a Tarantino sensibility. Why does everything have to mean something? ------------- 
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: March 25 2010 at 14:55
I agree 100% with everything here. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 25 2010 at 15:13
I agree 100% (with you two...  )------------- 
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: March 25 2010 at 15:32
Witness the power of Lady GaGa!  |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: March 25 2010 at 16:13
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Lady Gaga 2012 ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Lizzy
Date Posted: March 25 2010 at 18:01
 Me too. Still voted 'boobs' because I'm shallow.But on a more serious note, I agree that for a pop artist she is fairly good, not to mention the fact that she writes her own songs, which is a plus in my book. However, I find the video a bit too ostentatious. One can make a point in a different way. I understand she is eccentric and an artist but the line between eccentric art and poor taste is very thin. I don't agree with the mentality: if everybody else does it, why shouldn't I do it? ------------- Property of Queen Productions... 
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Posted By: zappaholic
Date Posted: March 25 2010 at 19:26
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I went with option #1 because I am convinced that she is one of David Icke's infamous "Lizard People" who are in cahoots with the Illuminati and President Barry Hussein Sombrero Fartbama to take over the world and enslave all of humanity.
/watched about the first minute and a half to two minutes of the vid before it just became too freakin weird - didn't even get to the song, but if it's as obnoxious as "Pokerface" and "Paparazzi", then I'm not missing much
//"told you she didn't have a ..."
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 25 2010 at 21:05
I think she might be a better president than that other female candidate... (not Hillary...)   -------------
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Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: March 25 2010 at 22:22
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Didn't knew Lady Gaga was this hawt. Her face sucks, but she has a great body.
On a side note, why is her vagoo cencored in this video? I only noticed it was uncovered due to the pixels and why the hell she had to show it if it would be cencored anyway? God, I sure hate that controversy that is not controverted culture that Madonna invented in the 80s. -------------   
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: March 25 2010 at 22:48
Thriller is a good comparison, I hadn't even thought of that, but Telephone is even stranger because the video seems to be unconnected to the lyrics, except for the weird mind control thing. And to be honest, I would rather watch Telephone than Thriller or Radio Ga Ga. I would say that "objectively" it is no more or less awful than pop music from any other period, but at least it's my kind of awful.
That's a problem with gender studies, not music.
If you don't see the problem with a celebrity showing her vagina in a music video I don't know what to say. The reason she did it at all was because of the widespread rumors she's a hermaphrodite. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: March 25 2010 at 22:53
Dude, if it not OK to show, why showing it? Besides, this doesn't proves she isn't a hermiphrodite. What if the pen0r was hidden inside the vagoo and we couldn't see it because of the censorship? It's a conspiracy man, a freaking conspiracy! -------------
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Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: March 25 2010 at 22:55
I caught on to that when the guard says "Told ya she doesn't have a dick," which doesn't really have anything to do with the song or the video, besides the whole lesbian thing I guess. |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: March 25 2010 at 23:00
It's not supposed to prove anything! It's a joke! People make jokes with fake censored nudity all the time! ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: March 25 2010 at 23:02
That's why I'm not keen on the whole censoring thing. |
Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: March 26 2010 at 05:29
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Dude, what the hell are we discussing nudity for? We are born free man and this whole censoring stuff is just a castration imposed by the post-modern society.
Flower Power man, flower power (but don't give me your gay sh*t  ).-------------
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: March 26 2010 at 10:58
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I rarely like music videos. Not even in prog metal or prog (I actually hate them). But what can I say, pop beats the crap out of other genres in their videos... And this one is entertaining. I don't think it means sh*t (with some exceptions like the declaration of estrogenism by La Germanotta) but it's kind of fun. The music is Pop. Don't come to a Lady Gaga video/song expecting key modulation, atonal harmonies or lightining-fast guitar solos. -------------
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Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: March 26 2010 at 12:14
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Love it. All her videos are great, some of the best of our time. Seriously, not joking. Although I hope in the next one her and Beyonce get it on. |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: March 26 2010 at 14:55
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I just watched the whole video. It's hilarious. I started laughing at the the third second. Lady Gaga is the master of parody, topping Shakira (who MUST be 100% comedy, I can't explain her videos and her songs in another way). It looks like a "women in prison" flick, with a near-porn flavor, no class, only cliches for straight men who would have never met a lesbian or a bisexual woman in their life. Somewhere between "Oz", a bad-taste cartoon for "adults" and a poor take on John Waters' movies (without the humor and the intelligence), this video is not the "Thriller" of the 10's. If you think so, you also think that Green Day is better than the Clash. And the music is barely average. Without her cosplay thing and her fame-celebrity-glamour-identity-blablabla so-called "intellectual" gibberish (Residents, anyone?), Lady Gaga would stay under the radar, drown in the sea of the everyday pop/dance mainstream. And if I want a singer who writes her own music, I listen to Melody Gardot or Android Lust. |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: March 26 2010 at 16:49
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have anyone seen the music video for Black Hole Sun by Soundgarden, now that is one vierd music video that freaked me out first time seeing it. |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: March 26 2010 at 17:27
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However, here is a version of Telephone that I think we can all appreciate. Skip to 2:54 for the money shot.
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Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: March 26 2010 at 17:42
That may have been my favorite Chatroulette video so far. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: March 26 2010 at 17:44
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I wouldn't recommend touching Lady Gaga's telephone.
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Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: March 26 2010 at 17:57
This is the totally made my day. Lulz guaranteed.
So . . . . You also think she is a hermaphrodite? -------------
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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: March 26 2010 at 18:21
Where is this rumor spreaded? From what I see, she has a feminine body: the waist is thin, but not masculine, just like her shoulders or her hands. Even her face doesn't look androgynous. Or she would have gone under heavy bone surgical reconstruction. |
Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: March 26 2010 at 18:32
Some explanations: http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Lady_gaga#GaGa_has_a_Disco_Stick - http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Lady_gaga#GaGa_has_a_Disco_Stick
Spoilier: she brought this on hirself. -------------
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Posted By: Dalezilla
Date Posted: March 26 2010 at 18:44
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: April 15 2010 at 21:11
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Should this be sad? This is so badly done it actually hurts to listen to. This proves she has actual musical ability, but this is still not good. But I couldn't do it! Do her dead eyes mean she is a victim of mind control too? ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: April 15 2010 at 22:13
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OMG, HE CAN PLAY AN INSTRUMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 -------------
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Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: April 16 2010 at 00:18
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No comment so far. I must admit, however, that this song is pretty mindless, even for Lady Gaga.
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Posted By: (De)progressive
Date Posted: April 16 2010 at 02:07
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The length of the song is so long for the genre, maybe Lady Gaga has progressed?
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: April 16 2010 at 04:44
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: April 16 2010 at 10:39
Be the first please to create a thread in the suggest artists section... -------------
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Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: April 16 2010 at 17:15
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All you guys that voted "BOOBS!" know she has a package, right? -------------  Time always wins. |
Posted By: FusionKing
Date Posted: April 16 2010 at 17:32
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Definately some kind of mind control right there. Product advertising in it is phenomenal, and very obvious. ------------- "Man is nothing else but that which he makes of himself" - Sartre |
Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: April 16 2010 at 18:22
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Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: April 16 2010 at 18:25
Can I see absolute proof that she does? I won't believe it otherwise. |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: April 16 2010 at 18:26
Bear with it and stick around for the soloists. The woman was so bad I couldn't even believe it. It doesn't sound like it would be that hard to pull off, since Gaga doesn't lipsync or autotune, but it apparently is!
Right. Where exactly would she fit a penis in the outfits she wears?
    Also, http://www.snopes.com/music/artists/ladygaga.asp - snopes . ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: April 16 2010 at 19:05
Obvious sex n00b. -------------
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Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: April 16 2010 at 19:07
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Tip toeing gently, not wanting to warrent suspension, let me just say this: She is a hermaphrodite so you can't go looking for a normal sized whatsit. Concert footage from youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPbrvi2UEmE&feature=related - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPbrvi2UEmE&feature=related NOTE THAT THIS HAS BEEN DEEMED OK BY YOUTUBE AND THAT I"M POSTING THE LINK NOT THE VIDEO ITSELFWhether it's there or not, she still looks like this without hours of makeup and a team of people wedging her into her outfits:
 Assume this thread will be closed soon, which is more than fine by me. Awful, vile, creature.
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: April 16 2010 at 19:11
Dude, if that's what your conception of a penis consists of, I feel sorry for you. Edit: This coming from someone who doesn't give two sh*ts either way. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: April 16 2010 at 19:28
That's very clearly flesh toned panties, thinking that's a dick is really dumb. Which is why it's on Youtube without even an age gate. And, of course, there's the fact that she and everybody who knows her has said IT IS NOT TRUE. And, if you google it (not linking here for obvious reasons), she appeared on a balcony around New Year's wearing semi-translucent panties.
What, people look worse without makeup and in bad light that was probably photoshopped!? WHAT ON EARTH IS THIS? Are you telling me that the presentation of women in the media is not realistic?
Are you saying that you're trying to get my thread locked? ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: April 16 2010 at 19:30
Presactly. |
Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: April 16 2010 at 19:35
Yeah, still not buying it. I heard the same rumors about Gwen Stefani when No Doubt was big. For some reason people feel the need to tear down pretty and successful women. (Oh no, I sounded like a feminist just then!) -------------
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Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: April 16 2010 at 19:46
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Actually, the rumors started when she twitered that she was going to masturbate her hermy dick after a show on Europe. She made some weak attempts to clarify the story, but nothing really convincing yet, so I'm staying with her first testimony.
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: April 16 2010 at 19:57
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Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: April 16 2010 at 20:38
Not trying to get this thread shut down but I would love to get Lada Gaga, and Stefani for that matter, shut down  ------------- Time always wins. |
Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: April 16 2010 at 22:48
Are you implying she is lying about the penis?  -------------
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: April 17 2010 at 00:39
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Posted By: Kojak
Date Posted: April 17 2010 at 03:12
She has got a sense of humour, ya know..... Like she plays around with the 'bi' rumours too. She wanted to do a photo shoot with a strap on, or something, for some Brit mag, but it didn't come to fruition. |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: April 17 2010 at 03:31
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Posted By: Kojak
Date Posted: April 17 2010 at 07:10
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She was playing around with it on the Jonathan Ross show over here, and who the hell is Barbera Walters...?
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: April 17 2010 at 07:22
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Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: April 17 2010 at 12:18
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Posted By: AbrahamSapien
Date Posted: April 18 2010 at 02:00
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Her music sucks, but that blog was a very interesting to read. I don't really know, what to think about this all. Somebody, please, insert some thoughts into my head. |
Posted By: Kojak
Date Posted: April 18 2010 at 06:53
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Pleasure.Kojak. Or did you mean regarding La Ga Ga...?? |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: April 30 2010 at 02:22
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WATCH THIS. I am 100% positive you won't regret it. Let's also pause for a moment to reflect on how unf**kingbelievably bored they must have been to do that. The synchronization is perfect!
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: May 02 2010 at 09:50
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Oh dear, Henners. You've reached a new low.
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: May 02 2010 at 10:02
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Has anyone seen this? http://vimeo.com/11219730 - http://vimeo.com/11219730 Now that is really something interesting. A more suitable candidate for the "Thriller of our times". |
Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: May 02 2010 at 10:13
I was wondering where you got your signature.  It makes me happy every time I se it.-------------
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