Are you prog only? Or do you like prog metal?
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Topic: Are you prog only? Or do you like prog metal?
Posted By: Kashmir75
Subject: Are you prog only? Or do you like prog metal?
Date Posted: February 11 2010 at 20:38
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I've noticed on this site that there seems to be a lot of proggers who only enjoy classic prog, like Yes, Crimson, Floyd, Genesis, Gentle Giant, etc. Anything with a touch of metal is looked upon with suspicion. For me, and I'm sure many others, I discovered prog through listening to Dream Theater, Opeth, etc. These modern bands are a great gateway drug into the older stuff. So, are you into straight up prog; prog/metal crossover, or both? ------------- Hello, mirror. So glad to see you, my friend. It's been a while... |
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Posted By: progmatic
Date Posted: February 11 2010 at 21:37
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I enjoy "straight-up prog", prog-folk, etc. Prog metal I enjoy provided it does NOT have death growls. Not fond of the cookie monster. But I like some Opeth, some Dream Theater, After Forever, Lacrimosa, Pain of Salvation -- anything with some feeling and melody, and again, no cookie monsters. ------------- PROGMATIC |
Posted By: Xanthous
Date Posted: February 11 2010 at 21:50
| Haven't really gotten into prog metal... or metal at all. I like Tool and Primus, but I usually just can't stand metal. I enjoy pretty much every other genre on this sight except for prog-metal. I'm going to try to get more open to it, but it just hasn't clicked with me so far. |
Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: February 11 2010 at 22:13
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I love classic prog, and I love a lot of straight ahead metal, but prog metal is, to my ears, mostly self indulgent nonsense devoid of originality or strong compositions. Opeth is okay, and I like Mastodon a lot, but bands like Dream Theater and Shadow Gallery do nothing for me.
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Posted By: MrEdifus
Date Posted: February 11 2010 at 22:13
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I like prog-metal. And non-metal prog. And non-prog metal.
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Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: February 11 2010 at 22:15
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I'm not real big on prog metal, so I guess you could call me a 'straight up' kinda guy. I do listen to some of the genre, however, such as Dream Theater and Rush. Symphonic Prog and Prog-Folk are my mainstays.
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Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: February 11 2010 at 22:39
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I have two prog metal albums by bands that have been active since the 80s (Queensryche and DT), but I just can't stand the cliches and samey sounding modern gloss of this genre. I'll take prog from 70s and the 80s over the claptrap being issues these days. As for metal... its all been done before and since cookie monster vocals seem to be the biggest innovation of the past 20 years I count myself out of this goofy game. |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: February 11 2010 at 22:43
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Walter, I assume that you do like a little song called 21st Century Schizoid Man though, eh? ------------- 
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Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: February 11 2010 at 22:55
| I got into prog via Pink Floyd, but even before that I liked some metal, which has grown on me too. When I found about DT and prog-metal, well it was real cool to have them both mixed... and as a matter of fact, metal seems a rather natural evolution of prog. |
Posted By: CryoftheCarrots
Date Posted: February 11 2010 at 23:25
No boundaries in my tastes.If it sounds good I'll listen. ------------- "There is a lot in this world to be tense and intense about" MJK |
Posted By: kawkaw123
Date Posted: February 11 2010 at 23:55
| I started out listening to prog when I was a little kid because my dad listened to some prog bands like Jethro Tull and Yes, but at the time I didn't know what prog even was I just thought it was good music. I really didn't discover what progressive music was until my guitar teacher made me listen to Dream Theater and from that point on I liked prog rock/metal. Its kinda a curse really. |
Posted By: Tarquin Underspoon
Date Posted: February 11 2010 at 23:59
I listen to it all. The more the merrier. Unless it sucks.  ------------- "WAAAAAAOOOOOUGH! WAAAAAAAUUUUGGHHHH!! WAAAAAOOOO!!!" -The Great Gig in the Sky |
Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: February 12 2010 at 01:08
| I like both, prog and prog metal equaly. |
Posted By: zbida
Date Posted: February 12 2010 at 02:14
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I must say that prog metal rather doesn't especially affect me. First I love the great 70's oldschool prog era, second - its 80's neo-continuation. I respect 'modern' prog sound too - especially symphonic. |
Posted By: LinusW
Date Posted: February 12 2010 at 02:21
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Used to be a big metal fan, not knowing or caring that a lot of what I listened to was labelled prog metal. Not so much these days, when I prefer classic metal and some selected power/speed metal and thrash metal bands for my dose of the harder stuff. However, good prog-rock is so much more than classic prog and good prog is so much more than prog-ROCK. And good music is so much more than good prog
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: February 12 2010 at 02:40
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I may like some progressive or post-metal as long as it is kept clean of death-metal growls. Tech/Extreme Prog Metal is, generally spoken, not my cup of tea. ------------- 
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Posted By: Camel666
Date Posted: February 12 2010 at 03:18
| I was raised a metalhead, so I obviously enjoy a lot prog-metal. Actually, I listen to a lot of different things, even though progressive rock and prog-metal amount to 70-80% of it. |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: February 12 2010 at 03:37
| Classic prog + a bit of Dream Theater. |
Posted By: bsms810
Date Posted: February 12 2010 at 03:39
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I was also raised a metalhead, then from that got more and more into progmetal, thinking that was the best thing ever created, then found this site, and discovered all manner of older gems that werent metal in the slightest. So i love both 'classic prog' and prog metal. However I agree that some prog metal is a bit self indulgent for me, like DT ------------- 'when was the last time you had a girlfriend?' 'I dont look at it as when, I look at it as who...and why' - David Brent |
Posted By: mdelval
Date Posted: February 12 2010 at 03:41
 As for 21st Century Schizoid Man, it has NOT the cliches metal has. And yes, there are lots of great music outside of classic prog. |
WalterDigsTunes wrote:Posted By: seventhsojourn
Date Posted: February 12 2010 at 03:43
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I had to Google cookie monster vocals, which I guess answers the original question.
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Posted By: fuxi
Date Posted: February 12 2010 at 05:05
| I enjoy many types of music, but metal just isn't for me. I understand its appeal, though. As I've explained before, back in 1984 (!) when I was in the army (reluctantly, of course), my best mate was into early Metallica, Venom and Loudness. Even then, I could tell the music he played showed similarities to symphonic prog. I found it much easier to get along with him than with guys who were crazy about Wham or Depeche Mode! |
Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: February 12 2010 at 05:13
The 1969 progressive rock track featuring heavy jazz-tinges and improvised guitar soloing by the innovative band King Crimson? |
Posted By: friso
Date Posted: February 12 2010 at 06:35
| I mainly listen to '70 prog but I also have some metal vinyl and some hard rock classics. Modern metal does not interest me that much, I just got a new record from Opeth (Blackwater Park) and I don't think it's that interesting. The sound isn't very open. |
Posted By: Hox
Date Posted: February 12 2010 at 08:03
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I think "progressive" mean "open mind", so I accept any growl, metal, distortion, odd element having sense. I prefer a good cookie monster singing than a banal classical prog chant. I mean, when I hear for the 1.000.000.000th time a "new" (?) band replaying the same old consumpted usual Yes or Genesis scheme I get disturbed as much as when I hear disgusting talentless musicians like Lady Gaga or similar no-artists. I believe "progressive means also "making steps forward". To me a band that play today what was old already 20 years ago, is not progressive. It's patethic, like a grandfather telling you "things went better in my times". That's absolutely wrong: things are messy and bad in every time. :-D I would like to hear more bands like Thinking Plague or Zappa (meaning open to any musical solution) and less copycats of Yes, Gentle Giant or Genesis. Gentle Giant are one of my favorite band, but already Yezda Urfa sounded disturbing to me... too copycats. I mean, there was one, and it was enough. Let's go for new artists, not for new copies of old artists. |
Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: February 12 2010 at 08:09
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I like pretty much every genre here on PA, some more than others, but almost every one has some great stuff.
For those that know me, I'm obviously both a big metal and traditional prog fan. ------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: sigod
Date Posted: February 12 2010 at 08:10
I do indeed like both kinds of music; Country AND Western.
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Posted By: NecronCommander
Date Posted: February 12 2010 at 08:19
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I am a pretty big metalhead, and I do enjoy my share of prog metal. However, I moreso prefer most of the artists in the "Experimental/Post Metal" and "Tech/Extreme Prog Metal" category than the traditional progressive metal artists. I make exceptions for Dream Theater, Pain of Salvation, Riverside, and some others. I do like some older prog bands like Yes, Rush, Magma, Steely Dan, and some others, but bands like Genesis and Pink Floyd never really did anything for me  |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: February 12 2010 at 08:27
Bravo !!! And a belated welcome to PA from a fellow Italian, though an expatriate one ...As to the original question, I listen to just about everything - bot out of sheer curiosity, and because of my reviewing activity. Though I grew up with classic prog (especially of the Italian variety - my first approach to the genre), in the past few years I have got acquainted with a lot of new stuff, and found a lot to enjoy and appreciate - for instance, The Mars Volta have quickly become one of my steady favourites. On the other hand, I am somewhat more ambivalent towards prog-metal. While in the Eighties I was a big metal fan, and still enjoy a lot of 'classic' heavy metal from that era, I have tried in vain to get into Dream Theater and their ilk. As a whole, 'traditional' prog-metal leaves me cold, and I especially dislike those 'symphonic' PM bands with operatic female vocals - I'd rather listen to death growls  . I am much more interested in the tech-extreme or experimental varieties of prog-metal (I'd take Opeth over DT any day), and especially appreciate instrumental bands that combine metal with jazz and other genres. |
Posted By: VoltFaceCons
Date Posted: February 12 2010 at 08:28
| Prog and prog metal are very broad within itself. Theres much more out there than just the two, even at times more proggressive than the bands in the 'proggressive' genre. |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: February 12 2010 at 08:43
Early hour prog fans who used to listen to KC, Yes, Genesis...probably also listened to Deep Purple, Black Sabbath, Uriah Heep, Rush, Led Zeppelin and other hard-rock acts. So this topic should be closed. ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: February 12 2010 at 08:43
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Mostly classic prog for me, although I have been known to 'dabble' I like some Dream Theater, I AM an Opeth fan, I like Heavens Cry and some Circus Maximus, and Tool. I also like older 'prog related' metal like Maiden, Black Sabbath etc.. ------------- Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy! |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: February 12 2010 at 08:55
This.
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Posted By: progmetalhead
Date Posted: February 12 2010 at 09:10
 Truly progressive thinking! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/colt2112" rel="nofollow - http://www.last.fm/user/colt2112 Colt - Admin Team MMA 
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Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: February 12 2010 at 09:15
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I like old prog and some metal (on a thrashy side) Prog metal is not my cup of tea. To be frank, I'm not too keen on modern prog in general. Of course there are exceptions...and they're growing every day. This site helped me realise there's not only good modern music..but there's also bad music from the 70's, which I idealized in a way. As for prog-metal, it's unfair to say I dislike it simply because I'm not familiar with it. Most of the stuff I checked leave me cold. Not all though (Pax Cecilia are great). I do like some modern prog which is often intersecting with prog metal - The Mars Volta, Chrome Hoof, Taal. Hence, I'm sure prog metal is hiding some nice surprises for me in the future. Especially, if on a thrashier side, with not-so-perfect production. As for the staples of the genre, Dream Theater, I have mixed emotions. Some moments are awful, some are great. ------------- |
Posted By: Guldbamsen
Date Posted: February 12 2010 at 09:53
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I started out liking trash, punk, hardcore, death, goth and the likes before I ever heard any prog-metal - at least I wasnīt aware of the "proginess" of Death, Napalm Death (who would fit in the archives by the way) and Neurosis. When I finally stumbled over Opeth, I found it really hard to take the mellow vocals with my metal. Incidentally my first ever musical love was Pink Floyd - go figure. Iīll listen to anything as long as itīs got heart. |
Posted By: TheGazzardian
Date Posted: February 12 2010 at 10:01
| I've liked various different metals in the past before I discovered prog, and find that I like some prog metal as well. So far Experimental/Post Metal has been the genre that I've enjoyed the most, with Tech/Extreme being the least. However, the songs that are just heavy chugging guitars + screaming, I dont enjoy so much. I enjoy the more melodic or at least interesting compositions - so, for example, I love Devin Townsends "Soul Driven" while loathing his "Universe in a Ball". |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: February 12 2010 at 10:18
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I never used to like any metal related prog at all but fairly recently I have gotten to appreciate Opeth, Porcupine Tree (some it sounds metallic to me at any rate) Diablo Swing Orchestra and Borknagar. Guess it's a start but yes, the so-called 'growling' can be effective if used sparingly but given so many metal bands now do it, surely it's in danger of already obeying the law that all fads and gimmicks are ultimately subject to i.e. that of diminishing returns ? ------------- 
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: February 12 2010 at 12:19
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By far the best album I've heard so far this year is "The Never Ending Way Of The ORWarriOR" by Orphaned Land - I urge all and every Prog fan to hear this album - if you don't like prog metal this could change your mind. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: February 12 2010 at 13:24
I haven't heard this one, but I have heard Mabool, which impressed me a whole lot. Undoubtedly one of the most original approaches to prog-metal I have ever heard in the past few years - so far removed from the endless stream of DT clones. |
Posted By: Lewa
Date Posted: February 12 2010 at 14:41
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I started out as one of the no-metal-persons you described. For a long time I thought I couldn't stand anything metal related. Then, about a year ago I made a concious effort to get into prog-metal by borrowing some cds and listening to the streams here on PA. I wanted to ease myself in gently and suffered through the whole stream of the "normal" prog-metal subgenre first. I didn't get it at all. Some weeks later I decided to give it another try and started to listenen to the tech/extrem stream. There I discovered that I really like metal, really like growls and generally even prefer the harder stuff (the weirder the better). The normal/symph metal still does nothing for me, while I find many bands in the other categories very innovative. I'm glad I finally got over myself and learned to like metal. I would have missed great music otherwise. |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: February 12 2010 at 15:35
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Hi,
Neither!
I listen to all music and think that labels are for people that want to find an excuse not to listen to something else out there ...
There's music and then there are labels ... you choose!
I keep thinking that if my name was Jesus, the last thing I would want is to come back here ... with all the labels andthis and that, you think anyone will get it ... and appreciate it? ... nahh ... it's not "prog" ... ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: ProgressiveAttic
Date Posted: February 12 2010 at 15:44
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I am a big "classic" prog fan and I do like some metal (Rainbow, Iron Maiden, etc.)... but I am not a big metal fan and I do not get bands such as DT and Opeth....
I do enjoy metalish prog such as Neal Morse's Sola Scriptuara and King Crimson's The Power to Believe... So I am in between + I should give DT another try (any recommendations on where to start will be much appreciated) ------------- Michael's Sonic Kaleidoscope Mondays 5:00pm EST(re-runs Thursdays 3:00pm) @ Delicious Agony Progressive Rock Radio(http://www.deliciousagony.com) 
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Posted By: rdtprog
Date Posted: February 12 2010 at 15:53
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I am both. I think that there's a lot of good prog metal band. And there's some prog band that have included in their soud some metal influence (Pendragon, Sylvan, Magenta). It's like metal is the new modern sound of prog or neo prog. I also like classic prog band that have no links to metal, like Yes, Flower Kings etc. So, i must say that prog metal is surley part of my prog experience.
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Posted By: darksideof
Date Posted: February 12 2010 at 16:04
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I can honestly say that I got into prog metal and now I am metal fan as well thanks to Dream theater. Before I heard of the name Dream theater. I Was only into Classic Prog/Fusion and jazz. Honestly!
So to anwer your question I do love progmetal as much as progrock! ------------- http://darksideofcollages.blogspot.com/ http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/ https://www.facebook.com/pages/Darksideof-Collages/ |
Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: February 12 2010 at 16:06
Well, there's the problem right there. |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: February 12 2010 at 16:08
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Posted By: Catcher10
Date Posted: February 12 2010 at 16:10
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I listen to everything pretty much in the Rock category. Prog metal to me is long songs with death growl..I don't listen to Opeth and other dark metal bands, dark lyrics are OK (DT, PT.....) but I am not fond of Opeth and the like.
I am not 100% convinced in my mind I call DT prog metal, if that includes bands like Opeth, Redemption, Spheric Universe Experiment....Maybe I call DT heavy/hard prog. I do enjoy classic prog...
I'm just a rocker who likes bands that happen to have more formal labels.... ehhh
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: February 12 2010 at 16:17
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I don't dislike DT ... and while it may not be everyone's preference ... most "prog" folks can't stand classical music next to their favorites like Genesis and ELP (hehehe ... had to say it!) ... and in the end ... I really think that the live album with the orchestra is magnificent ... if that soloist on guitar was Yo Ma, or a solo artist in great standing, everyone would think it was fabulous, and what a marvelous and expressive player that guitarist was ... but no ... we call it "metal" ... and the appreciation of someone's depth and determination in their musical talent is ... wasted.
DT is not about "metal" ... any more than they are "prog" ... but these might be the best generic words to describe them ... the music is amazingly well written, designed and defined ... and it really doesn't matter if it sounds like Orff, Rachmaninoff, Beethoven or Mozart ... but somehow in this board and a lot of "prog" places, they all want just Beethoven and Mozart ... ears having a hard time accepting/appreciating something totally different ...
Think of a moment in a movie ... that is almost exactly like the description of DT ... and it is the moment in the movie "Amadeus" when Mozart plays to the king ... and no one has a reaction to the music ... which is so different that anything else ... and the word is ... "too many notes ... yes, that's it ... too many notes" ...
Did anyone listen to the music? ... the answer would be almost ... NO ... they turned it off because it was "metal" ... not because it was "music" ... ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Hox
Date Posted: February 12 2010 at 16:29
Thanks, nice to meet another italian exile (I lived 'til 2005 in Greensboro, NC and trying to relocate in NZ). |
Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: February 12 2010 at 19:14
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I love most metal, so definitely prog metal. I have to recognize the original progressive rock's importance. However, there are metal bands doing things in the past 15-20 years that are doing more innovative things to introduce new ideas to music, and not simply just harsh vocals. Shame on you all who think that's the only stuff metal contributes! ------------- 
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Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: February 12 2010 at 20:37
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I like everything.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: February 12 2010 at 20:59
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I'm not really into prog metal, but I do enjoy prog that delves into the heavier side of music. Dial it back six years or so and I wouldn't be accepting of metal being part of the prog universe at all. I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything though, nor do I have a problem with the idea of some metal as prog. As I have said before, I'm more of a big tenter than a narrow caster. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: February 14 2010 at 02:46
| I am a metalhead but I like prog metal only selectively. PoS, Psychotic Waltz, early DT and ACT (who are actually called eclectic prog here anyway). I don't have a problem with any kind of metal vocals or the heaviness, obviously, but I get less riffs to bite into in prog metal and less melody than well, just prog, too so it's not often very appealing for me. |
Posted By: Gillywibble
Date Posted: February 14 2010 at 05:49
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I love both equally.
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Posted By: camilleanne
Date Posted: February 14 2010 at 07:07
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I prefer progmetal..but I like prog.
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Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: February 14 2010 at 07:16
Oh yeah and Walter, once again, sh*t in your hands and clap. ------------- "Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value." Arnold Schoenberg |
Posted By: angelmk
Date Posted: February 14 2010 at 08:32
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i like all subgenres of metal, not just prog metal, but also black, death,doom, gothic, power..
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Posted By: SgtPepper67
Date Posted: February 14 2010 at 09:52
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I 'm a fan of classic prog. I like Dream Theater but that's it. I downloaded an album by Symphony X recently and I like it mainly because of the symphonic parts, the heavier parts are a bit too extreme for my taste. I liked some Opeth too but the growling ruins the whole thing. ------------- 
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Posted By: Green Shield Stamp
Date Posted: February 15 2010 at 07:47
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Posted By: eddiefang
Date Posted: February 15 2010 at 15:53
I'm lucky to be able to enjoy almost all of prog's subgeners. Besides, I started to get into music through classic rock, some of which is now considered proto-prog. Then it was on to heavy and prog rock. I've always enjoyed musical prowess so its no wonder that I really enjoy prog metal, although that doesn't mean that I don't enjoy symphonic or most of all the classic prog bands. In fact, bands like Dream Theater combine many elements of the classic prog bands along with heavier stuff. The thing is that I have many friends that like prog but that don't even have the interest of exploring some of its offsprings! Sorry for them for its their loss! Maybe they associate prog metal with a younger generation...
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Posted By: KingCrimson250
Date Posted: February 15 2010 at 17:20
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Why are classic prog and prog metal presented as the only two options? Anyway, I'm not a huge fan of prog metal. To be honest I haven't really been exposed to too much. I've got a few Dream Theater albums, who I don't really like all that much anymore, really the only thing I'll listen to is the Mind Beside Itself suite off Awake. The rest got boring fast. I enjoy Opeth, though. I guess I do have a problem with heavy music, in a way. I don't really mind heaviness itself, that doesn't bother me, but to me it's more the way that all the "chug-chugging" leaves the music sounding harmonically empty to my ears. When the backing for a section is just a guitarist crunching out fifths, there's only so much you can do. And sure they switch it up a bit with changing time signatures and virtuoistic drumming but it still ends up sounding a bit boring to me. Sometimes, Opeth especially, will chug chug in a way that brings out all sorts of weird notes, which I enjoy, but for the most part it's just fifths, fifths and more fifths. |
Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: February 15 2010 at 17:36
That would sound like a post-1989 album, then. |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: February 15 2010 at 18:07
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Posted By: SergiUriah
Date Posted: February 15 2010 at 18:38
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Definitely I love good progmetal. Last cds buyed online were Redemptionī s last work (my great hopeless) and a box with of an excellent spanish team called AVALANCH. The whole discography only 25 dollars...
In my humble opinion, I think nobody who loves prog can deny the doors or heir feelings to another prg scene.
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Posted By: Anirml
Date Posted: February 15 2010 at 18:58
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I find that very often prog-metal follows a few certain formulas. Normal Prog doesn't follow formulas. I have yet to hear some prog-metal with a section where they play very quiet (and maybe add a little jazz? please!) like for example King Crimson's "21'th century schizoid man". Also the recording of much modern music is to perfect/sharp. To much metal in modern music (not all are bad, some are exeIent ). love tons of 80's Trash metal, NWOBHM and Tech/Extreme Metal. Jazz, Metal, Classical, Rock, and electronica (you can mix all of these genres exept Rock and Metal, right?). I also find most drumming in Prog-metal to be kinda boring, same sound when each drumstick hit the skin. Love all subgenres of prog, Prog-metal being the one i like/listen to the least. |
Posted By: Kashmir75
Date Posted: February 15 2010 at 20:57
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Prog has always had a very close relationship with metal. From the beginning. King Crimson was some of the heaviest stuff around at the time. Songs like Starless and Larks Tongues In Aspic part One have some very heavy parts. Black Sabbath, although more known for being a metal pioneer, rather than prog, always put proggy parts on their albums. Check out some of the stuff on the Sabbath Bloody Sabbath album.
Both have technicality and virtuosity as a priority. I'd say metal and prog have more in common than metal and punk do.
And this 'all music after the 80s sucks' routine is so ignorant and closed minded. I thought we were supposed to be prog fans, and thus more open minded about music. I've noticed a lot of this attitude on this board. ------------- Hello, mirror. So glad to see you, my friend. It's been a while... |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: February 15 2010 at 21:27
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I don't listen to much prog metal or classic prog. Do I win a prize? ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: February 15 2010 at 22:30
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Apart from Pink Floyd, I don't really listen to much in the way of classic prog anymore really. I like metal in general and don't really care if it's prog or not, so I'll happily listen to Megadeth, Nevermore and Katatonia alongside Between the Buried and Me, Opeth and Gojira. I do like a wider variety of prog though, from the post hardcore-prog stylings of Fall of Troy and The Mars Volta, through to jazz fusion like Ohm and Planet X and a whole bunch of other stuff |
Posted By: 88melter
Date Posted: February 16 2010 at 07:54
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I like and perform classic prog. Prog metal, or some other heavier sub-genre, is the music of another generation . I am glad that it exists, that another generation of musicians and listeners keep progressive rock moving forward, but I am part of that original movement. I am not sure the audience for prog metal would believe me, or take me seriously if I was doing stuff made by and for 20-somethings. I am 54.
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: February 16 2010 at 08:05
I am not a Dream Theater fan, but I'd like to point out that their keyboardist, Jordan Rudess, is also 54, and the other members are all in their forties. And prog-metal here has a lot of fans who are much older than 20. As I said in another thread, let's avoid age-related stereotypes whenever possible. |
Posted By: 88melter
Date Posted: February 16 2010 at 08:33
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Why avoid people's age, that is, their cultural context, as a valid factor in their preferences and inclinations. Without that, a 54 yr old player in a new-style band loses its significance, rather than gaining some sort of objective stance.
88melter, the older guy who has seem a lot of the life in music. ------------- 88melter |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: February 16 2010 at 08:42
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 16 2010 at 08:52
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I like both, but I must say I haven't heard about 95% of Prog Metal, but then again...I haven't heard all Classic Prog either. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: nordwind
Date Posted: February 16 2010 at 23:29
Oh yeah ,prog metal is cool ,one of my fav bands is Threshold .Aso the early heavy prog stuff such as Heep ,early Queen ,Sabbath ,early Rush(Exit Stage Left) ,Kansas & Budgie . ------------- Jazz isn't dead.......it just smells funny. Frank Zappa / Live in New York |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: February 17 2010 at 19:37
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there is some prog metal I really like... there is some I really loathe... just like 'prog' I guess ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: FusionKing
Date Posted: February 17 2010 at 20:05
| I'm a prog fan and I'm a metal fan but I can't usually do them together... |
Posted By: Kashmir75
Date Posted: February 17 2010 at 21:36
I agree. Prog metal is hardly teenybopper music, made by and for that demographic. The average age of DT is at least early forties. They all have families. Porcupine Tree are all in their forties, too, except Richard Barbieri who is in his fifties. At my last PT concert there was everyone from fans wearing metal band t-shirts, to middle aged guys wearing Pink Floyd and Rush shirts going there with their wives. ------------- Hello, mirror. So glad to see you, my friend. It's been a while... |
Posted By: Kashmir75
Date Posted: February 17 2010 at 21:46
Well, I could say the same thing about some classic prog. I have two Marillion albums and I find them incredibly cheesy. I also find that a lot of modern prog which tries to sound like the 70s stuff (retro prog like Spocks Beard, Transatlantic, etc) is very heavy on the cheese factor as well. ------------- Hello, mirror. So glad to see you, my friend. It's been a while... |
Posted By: Man Overboard
Date Posted: February 17 2010 at 22:08
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If you're a progressive rock fan and don't see the value of an album like, say, Vanden Plas' "Beyond Daylight", or A.C.T.'s "Last Epic", you're just missing out. That said, there are many non-prog bands that I prefer over many prog-metal acts. Any of you guys like the Mountain Goats?  ------------- https://soundcloud.com/erin-susan-jennings" rel="nofollow - Bedroom guitarist". Composer, Arranger, Producer. Perfection may not exist, but I may still choose to serve Perfection. Commissions considered. |
Posted By: JROCHA
Date Posted: February 17 2010 at 22:16
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The only metal genre I like on this site is Post Metal. I like the more atmospheric, slugde, stoner , Art metal. Sometimes I still listen to the classics, not much lately. Recently I have been really into all types of jazz , underground hip hop and indie rock. Im not just stuck on Prog, im not picky about the era of music i choose as long as it is a killer tune.
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Posted By: Bonnek
Date Posted: February 18 2010 at 09:09
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I like things in any genre but 'good' Metal really excites me most of all. But ... it also happens to be the genre that suffers the most from countless copy-cats. Another problem is the sameness of many albums. I miss the variation and dynamics that you find in prog for example. Good metal? The following maybe classic M Black Sabbath Priest Zeppelin thrash M / prog M Megadeth Voivod Coroner Psychotic Waltz Nevermore extreme M Neurosis Enslaved Opeth Agalloch goth-doom M Candlemass Paradise Lost Katatonia Many of those feature on PA. Or should urgently be added As to age, I'm 39. Which I think is relevant because I was around 20 in the early 90's which was the top decade for metal. |
Posted By: jampa17
Date Posted: February 18 2010 at 09:12
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I love Prog Metal... I know there are too many alike bands but I really enjoy it... Dream Theater, Fates Warning, Liquid Tension, Symphony X, Anubis Gate, Pagans Mind, Mechanical Poet, Threashold and so on...
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Posted By: Jackonthegreen
Date Posted: February 24 2010 at 07:25
i only listen to symphonic prog and progressive folk, i really dont like metal 
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Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: February 26 2010 at 09:16
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I love Tool, The Mars Volta, Indukti
Im ok with bands like DGM, Green Carnation, Cynic, Devin Townsend, Opeth, Between the BAM, Pain of Salvation ect. ect.
I find DT and Rush a bit boring compared to a lot of other music, even though i do listen to what they do. ------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: himtroy
Date Posted: February 26 2010 at 12:12
| Not so much. I could never take much metal seriously, just so cheesy and so many cliche's. I absolutely despise Dream Theatre. It just sounds like endless amounts of John Petrucci being full of himself in an incredibly generic fashion |
Posted By: Rottenhat
Date Posted: February 26 2010 at 12:13
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I like Sleepytime Gorilla Museum, more because of the Thinking Plague/Henry Cow influences that the metal parts. ------------- Language is a virus from outer space. -William S. Burroughs |
Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: February 26 2010 at 12:17
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Heh. I like prog in all it's varieties. I also like jazz. pop, some classical, mainstream rock, synth, new age...just about every style of music will have something that I like. I tend to prefer sophisticated music though, and prog has a bit more of that than other genres out there :-) ------------- Websites I work with: http://www.progressor.net http://www.houseofprog.com My profile on Mixcloud: https://www.mixcloud.com/haukevind/ |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: February 27 2010 at 10:57
classical and jazz are also "sophisticated", if not more than prog. ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: February 27 2010 at 11:07
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True enough. But for every sophisticated jazz and classical release, you'll find a dozen easy listening experiences as well :-)
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Posted By: bensommer
Date Posted: February 28 2010 at 08:44
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"progressive" usually = interesting aurally and intellectually. Metal edge may not be everyone's cup of tea, but kindred souls need to stick together! ~Ben Sommer http://bensommer.com |
Posted By: Kashmir75
Date Posted: March 01 2010 at 20:52
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I've got examples of probably every subgenre of prog on my Ipod. I've got Symphonic prog (Yes), prog jazz (Crimson), space rock, prog metal, heavy prog, proto-prog. And plenty of non-prog rock and metal, too. They're all just subgenres of rock music, really. ------------- Hello, mirror. So glad to see you, my friend. It's been a while... |
Posted By: progressive
Date Posted: March 02 2010 at 01:32
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I like EVERY genre music that is enough progressive for me (those genres that aren't here in progarchives, and that aren't so progressive - still if it's new or good, it's usually somehow progressive). Also it should be enjoyable in more conservative way, but not always. Also, if it's weird, I usually like it. But I'm a burning soul, so the music should be aggressive - of course the not-aggressive parts of it makes it more aggressive, because by aggressiveness I mean contrasts and basically progressiveness. Though I've listened very much different music. When I was younger, I was searching for progressive metal etc. Nowadays it's more extreme metal. That's mostly because progressive metal has usually so much basic rock parts. Though, progressive rock has usually too much psychedelic and jazz rock. I listen to them, but I'm always wanting more prog. Avant-prog has solved my problem in many ways, since there isn't so much progressive symphonic/eclectic prog. Also, I can listen very light music nowadays, but mostly it's nearer to modern classical etc. But anyway, I actually think many of those who can't stand metal and listens to soft prog, post-rock, art rock, chill-out... are very different proggers than me . I've seen they are more simple and dull and.. well, at least regular. I've seen the phenomenon that under same artist or genre, some are much more popular than others, and it's often those "chill-out" songs/artists. There's much that kind of jazz, indie, folk etc. I mostly hate chill-out. I get very frustrated when the most bad song of some my favorite artist is the most popular. But I understand it. I just don't like it, or those people. Actually every genre has it's chill-outs and aggressions, simplicities and progressivenesses, in a way or another. Maybe I should get into post-rock and ambient more, and Porcupine Tree and light not-so-progressive stuff like that. All music is equal, though some of it is sh*t - for me. Some examples of genres that aren't on this site so much but are progressive in some cases: IDM, indie-pop, noise things, all kinds of experimental stuff (not much here, actually - only some main avant-prog - though it's better :P), MPD, modern classical (!!!!), jazzes, atmospheric/experimental doom/black/death metal for example some grindcore and sludge, noisecore and black metal, or something else crossover.... and crossover styles in general. But at least the most important names of those genres are here, except for classical, jazz, and crossover without big peculiarities. So I use rateyourmusic.com because there's much more genres ------------- 
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