Something about France ?
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Topic: Something about France ?
Posted By: toroddfuglesteg
Subject: Something about France ?
Date Posted: January 16 2010 at 10:55
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Hi. I have yet to hear a straight Genesis/Yes copy progressive rock album from France. All the prog rock I have heard from this country is pretty avant-garde, weird, theatrical, neo-classical and pretty different than the English speaking scene (UK, Ireland, Australia, Anglo-Canada, USA etc etc), South America, Scandinavia and the Italian scene. Is it just me or is it something special about the French scene ?
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 16 2010 at 10:57
Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries. 
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: January 16 2010 at 11:13
| There's definitely something special about the French music scene. Most of my collection is French and I found that it really appeals to me across various PA categories. Before that when I was really into film, I also found something something very special about French cinema. |
Posted By: apps79
Date Posted: January 16 2010 at 11:19
...But I have also heard tons of French jazz-rock who is rather unoriginal, imitating bands like BRAND X,RETURN TO FOREVER or WEATHER REPORT...though I admit that most of them are quite good... albums... ------------- When the power of love overcomes the love of power,the world will know peace... listen to www.justincaseradio.com , the first ever Greek Progressive Rock radio |
toroddfuglesteg wrote:Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: January 16 2010 at 11:27
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One Shot plays Jazz-Rock in a, let's say, conventional manner; nothing avantgarde or experimental about it. It is quite original and powerful, though, as the members are current or past members of Magma. Highly recommended. Parallaxe play an awesome (almost Fusion type) kind of prog metal. Nothing bizzare about it, just original. Also, Morglbl are an awesome mix of Jazz-Rock and metal. Lazuli were also a nice, melodic crossover band of the last years. Too bad they disbanded. You can't go wrong with these bands if you want something "safe" but good and original. I'll think of some more. |
Posted By: fuxi
Date Posted: January 16 2010 at 12:00
As a Brand X fan, I am intrigued. What are the names of those bands? Any albums you recommend? |
Posted By: apps79
Date Posted: January 16 2010 at 12:46
------------- When the power of love overcomes the love of power,the world will know peace... listen to www.justincaseradio.com , the first ever Greek Progressive Rock radio |
Posted By: American Khatru
Date Posted: January 16 2010 at 13:53
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I don't really have anything to add to the discussion. But I'll say that France is superb! I was about to sign off when I got to thinking how they also stand out in the area of classical/romantic composers. Rebel right through Roussel I can happily vouch for. Even though many wrote in what was called the "italian" or "german" style, they were always very frenchy.  -------------  Why must my spell-checker continually underline the word "prog"? |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 16 2010 at 16:29
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What? What?? The wines, the cheeses, the fries???
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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: January 16 2010 at 16:48
The LADIES ------------- Help me I'm falling! |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: January 16 2010 at 18:49
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Of the recent prog bands I would highly recommend Seven Reizh which is a nice celtic-prog band.
If you want some interesting prog by non-prog artists check out 'Histoire de Melody Nelson' by Serge Gainsbourg and 'Métronomie' by Nino Ferrer.
As for jazz-rock (as an answer to the guy who is looking for Brand X-like bands), you may be interested in Didier Lockwood (seventies and earlier eighties) and Jean-luc Ponty but sincerely their music was far from being original as it was inspired by all the surrounding jazz rock bands.
otherwise you may be interested in this obscure band : Six cylindres en V with the album 'le dernier cri' released in 1985, it sounds like Lounge Lizards or James Chance and the Contortions.
Another one called Ma banlieue flasque should be of interest to any Frank Zappa fan. They released one self-titled album in 1979.
But one of the most interesting jazz-rock artist is Michel Colombier, known for his soundtrack to various movies. He released two interesting jazz-rock concept-albums : 'Wings' and 'Old fool back on earth'.
Otherwise, there is one artist that brings humour in his prog/avant-garde music : Albert Marcoeur, french alter ego of Arthur Brown or Todd Rundgren.
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: January 16 2010 at 19:05
| I'm not an expert on French prog by any means, but I have heard some of Ange's albums (Micky likes them quite a bit), and have found some similarities with the more theatrical Italian prog acts - especially as regards the singing style. This, of course, does not mean that French prog sounds like Italian prog. |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: January 16 2010 at 19:12
I agree... but please don't tell my girlfriend.  |
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: January 16 2010 at 23:19
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It is interesing that there are few Neo-Prog bands from France.STEP AHEAD comes to mind, but your right French musicians seem to prefer and to be influenced by those Classical and Jazz flavoured styles.Which is true of Magma,Art Zoyd,Moving Gelatine Plates and on and on. The music i have from France is the most interesting in general.I like how dark a lot of it is too. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: January 17 2010 at 01:17
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From France, I always think of Sandrose, I quite like their only album. ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: Kazuhiro
Date Posted: January 17 2010 at 01:29
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I like "L'Homme-Voilier" of Oniris. However, it is not existing as CD now. It is likely to buy it surely if sold with CD. |
Posted By: American Khatru
Date Posted: January 17 2010 at 08:25
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 17 2010 at 08:29
Did I forget, forget to mention Stephane Grappelli? 
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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: January 17 2010 at 08:40
I won't tell her. And I won't say that the few French women I have met (In this country) have been, well, slightly excentric to be polite. But excentric mainly in a nice way. They were all without exception very attractive!
Their cheese is overrated but good. The wine is verygood but expensive. The Fries are awful.
Gong are fantastic. Pierre Moerlins included. I think French music is underrated. ------------- Help me I'm falling! |
Posted By: TODDLER
Date Posted: January 17 2010 at 08:41
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Posted By: motoprog
Date Posted: January 17 2010 at 12:53
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Here are some french bands and albums close to the English Symphonic Prog.. Pulsar Görlitz Pulsar Halloween Sandrose Sandrose Taï Phong Windows Seven Reizh Strinkadenn Ys Maldoror L’arbre-cimetière Atoll L'océan Atoll Illian Atoll L'Araignée-Mal |
Posted By: alexestevam
Date Posted: January 17 2010 at 13:43
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Would heavy metal band help to fill in that spot? Adagio is a great band with a brazilian singer. Also, Nightmare and Heavenly. ------------- Alex Estevam |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: January 17 2010 at 14:58
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It's true that, for some reasons, the French "sympho" scene started after 1974, just a few moments before Peter Gabriel left Genesis and Fripp disbanded King Crimson. The first French experimental rock scene also disappeared around the same era. Motoprog has made a list of the most prominent bands in this genre. |
Posted By: rdtprog
Date Posted: January 17 2010 at 15:08
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Yes this is true that France is special! I think Ange as one of the leader in prog music with french vocals and in the modern day, i thing that Nemo is quite amazing. They do like the theatrical kind of vocals and they like to add to the rock some jazz. There's some good symphonic bands, not copy of Genesis and Yes and they have also some interestings prog metal band.
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: January 17 2010 at 15:11
 But his own career is worth checking out if you like gypsy jazz.
------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: January 17 2010 at 15:15
Maybe that Morbid feeling album by Cyril Achard, which was somewhat ruined by the vocals but I can't think of other good prog metal bands. Even Adagio is not that interesting.
------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: January 17 2010 at 15:15
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^^^
We have a 2nd prokidjoel : motoprog (avatar).
------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: January 17 2010 at 15:28
Check out Parallaxe, which I mentioned  |
Posted By: rdtprog
Date Posted: January 17 2010 at 15:31
Amartia and Orenda! ------------- Music is the refuge of souls ulcerated by happiness. Emile M. Cioran |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: January 17 2010 at 16:02
| There's also Alkimya, whom I added to the database some time ago... Unfortunately, they are mostly Dream Theater clones, as many Italian prog-metal bands are as well. |
Posted By: Tsevir Leirbag
Date Posted: January 17 2010 at 16:33
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Every musical "scene" has something special, unique.
Italian progressive, Belgian avant-garde, Québécois folk/jazzy progressive, French "theatrical", et cetera. ------------- Les mains, les pieds balancés Sur tant de mers, tant de planchers, Un marin mort, Il dormira - Paul Éluard |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: January 17 2010 at 17:10
I kind of like A piedi nudi's 'creazione' and 'eclissi'...or rather liked because it's a long time since I didn't put an ear to these discs. ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: January 17 2010 at 17:15
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 17 2010 at 18:04
Yeah, that's really a new one to me. Met the old guy a few years before he died at his trailer after a concert at Atlanta's Chastain Park. He did a really nice proggy album with Dr. L. BTW.
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Posted By: d.o.k
Date Posted: January 18 2010 at 11:17
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Talking about french prog metal, I must say that I've been really, really impressed by "The way of all flesh" by Gojira. I'm not really into "brutal" music but this album really amazes me. Highly recommended ------------- my band : http://lgab.tk - http://lgab.tk |
Posted By: King Crimson776
Date Posted: January 18 2010 at 16:36
| Ravel and Debussy are the best prog bands from France. Highly original, you guys should check them out. |
Posted By: American Khatru
Date Posted: January 18 2010 at 16:42
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Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: January 25 2010 at 11:51
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The latest crop is great too= Xang, Taal, Nemo, Priam, Saens (Sens), Maldoror, Skeem, Motis, the amazing Progression by Failure, Silver Lining , Ex-Vagus, Patrick Broguiere among many others ------------- I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth. |
Posted By: Paper Champion
Date Posted: January 25 2010 at 15:05
| What about Nemo? They are surely cool. And they sound quite "English" for me (despite French vocals) |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: January 25 2010 at 15:57
| Speaking of French prog bands, I recently reviewed the second live album by Marseilles-based band Eclat, called Live au Roucas. It's really excellent, and the band certainly deserves more exposure (they're here, thankfully). I also have the latest solo album by their bassist, Fred Schneider, which is also a very rewarding listen. |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: January 25 2010 at 16:17
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Progheads may be interested in Alain Bashung, a vocalist who passed away last year. He released two albums that stand out in his discography : 'Chatterton' and 'L'imprudence'.
------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: January 25 2010 at 19:46
I don't think you are going to find one ... even the likes of Mona Lisa are almost a thank you to Ange ... not even close to Genesis ... and to be honest with you ... I'm glad.
Not wanting to take anything away from Genesis ... but what you got was a few folks that had an ear for music ... and specifically EUROPEAN music ... where there is a great history of "torch" songs and things like Kurt Weill and Jacques Brel ... things that made a lot of sense for the time and its place, but music history -- specially "rock music" ... tends to have a massive ego that does thinks they are the only ones that can do something original!
I've always said that Genesis pretty much copied Ange and other French bands and european music ... and they probably would have done more if Peter had not left ... which he kinda did on his own, and eventually adding foreign folks to a lot of his stuff, culminating in his "Passion" album ... which had fabulous music, but was more a reflection of the actual artists, than it was of Peter's himself ... his music was "pop music" ... not a completely different kind of music and expression that a lot of the folks he displayed were all about ... but for most those people seeing a chance to actually mix and play with someone that big ... was worth every second of their life!
Steve Hackett has accounted himself well and done some nice things ... but compare his first album to his latest ... and you can see a concern with a story and "play" ... compared to today ... not even close ... and it tells you that what was inspiring then ... was an idea ... that died and had no life within the people they were around ... and Peter is the same way ... or he got bored easily.
Anthony Phillips went on to experiment a lot ... and did some nice things, but that also suggests that Genesis had lost the ability to experiment and have fun doing different things other than "pop music" and "hit songs" ...
I remember the first time I heard Iokko Saeffer (can't even spell his name!) ... and his style of jazz is a total blow out that even New York'rs can't enjoy ... it's way out there and gone ... and if you followed the likes of Heldon, you could see another family of experimentation that went quite far ... and was way out there ... and other than the likes of Robert Fripp on his own (NOT with KC), the amount of experimentation in music in the UK is very small compared to the other schools out there ... it's bizarre, when you hear Fripp talk about Gurdjieff concepts ... and no one gets it ... even the Royal Shakespeare Company was playing around with these concepts and eventually Peter Brook went on to do a film about him ... and of course ... we don't have to discuss the unbelievable experimentations coming out of Germany ... courtesy of a couple of music schools that are some of the best in teh world ... but no one wants to accept that Geneis had a couple of really nice albums ... yes I love them ... but they are not the paragon, or pariah that we make them out to be, and Peter Gabriel will be the first to tell you so. Goodness ... one can even look at Fish (from the early Marillion days) ... and he IS an actor ... Peter was not an actor! ... and we say that Marillion copied Genesis ... and the reality ... probably is ... here's an actor that wanted a band BADLY ... and could not find one because everything had to sound like ... something else?
You either enjoy the music with its many cultural differences ... or you don't ... in general (and I mean general) ... Spain had a lot of Yes influences, France was (as usual) -- vive la difference, and their sense of "arts" is way more developed and appreciated in their history despite such a bloody past, and Italy is always way too influenced by Classical music, and Germany ... well ... they all like to think they can stomp Beyruth better and louder than Wagner ... and England? ... sorry ... way too much "pop music" ... and they do not credit their very own composers ... of which Mike Oldfield is one of the best! But everyone here probably would be scared and shocked ... if Keith told us there was nothing progressive on what he did ... I did this rock lick with this classic material -- so did so many italian bands!!! -- (guess where Keith learned it!) ... and you call it prog ... anything else to talk about?
I actually think that the English speaking world is either too commercial or way too "controlled" ... to the point where hearing/seeing new things is tough ... unless the time it happens is big on that ... and the late 60's and early 70's was huge on that ... but it came to a crushing halt by the time the corporate hand got back to it ... and that control is still there and now being called "internet" ... although I am not sure that it can have as good and open an art scene as that time in London did ... it was in film, theater, music and all the arts ... by far one of the best in the last 500 years ... but I doubt that any "prog" critic here will have any idea of what I am suggesting ... and most history is persisting in damning that time and place because of drugs, sex or whatever other excuse anyone can find ...
Europe is small ... compared to America ... if you will ... and the radio abilities in there are not like America where you flip the dial and hear the same beat ... there you flip the dial and you can hear different countries and musics ... and that has an influence on people ... and us, in the English speaking world have this thing about being superior and bigger than anyone else ... and no one could say that we are not more creative than them! It goes both ways ... and if you think that Russia and Poland and China is not influenced and affected by rock'n'roll ... you haven't seen/checked much around the world! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: January 27 2010 at 11:57
When did Genesis start to copy Ange and other French bands? By the way, which bands? According to history, Ange released its first LP in 1972, while Genesis released its own first LP in 1969 (even if this one is barely talked about). Back in 1969, Ange only started to perform live - moreover, live in the town of Besançon, closer to the Swiss frontier than the clubs of Paris. When Genesis released 'Trespass' in 1970, the French progressive scene was only about to rise: in this year, you could only mention the first LPs of Ame Son, Magma and Red Noise. A lot of bands stayed underground: Barricades, Camizole, Crium Delirium... never released any official material until the 90's or the 2000's, 20 or 30 years after they split! More bands just recorded one or two LPs (Komintern, Red Noise, Ame Son) and you can barely feel any acquaintance between their music and the music of Genesis. Not that Genesis was unique (I see them as the continuators of the 60's pop music), but most of the French bands were influenced by free jazz or the Canterbury movement. If you said that Peter Gabriel borrowed some concepts (theatrical appearances, masks, etc.) to German bands such Floh de Cologne, I would agree with you. But, since Ange was a rather underground band until the release of their 1st LP in 1972, I would beg to differ.
About Heldon: yes, "another family of experimentation", truly... Called 'kraut-rock', 'kosmiches musik', you know, the stuff made by Tangerine Dream, Ash Ra Tempel, early Kraftwerk, Can, etc. Let's say that Heldon and Lard Free were the French response to the German challenge. |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: January 27 2010 at 19:38
The suggestion was that what Genesis did ... WAS already in place ... bwith the stories and fantasies, and Europe has a massive fantasy history that DID NOT start with Genesis ... and perhaps you will want to check out the Grimm Brothers for starters ... so you can see where a lot of Walt Disney came from ... that did not define "Genesis" ...
The theatrical color and expanse of Genesis was taken almost directly from a lot of theater in the London area, specially the National Theater and Royal Shakespeare Company ... both companies which also have a massive history of also using musicians in their productions for various roles and effects. Costumes are not something that is not appreciated in the lively theater in that area ... unlike New York where the only thing you can enjoy is yet another revival of CATS or NEW YORK, NEW YORK ... and that was my whole point ...
Europe has a massive history of theatrical this and that ... and Genesis was not the first one to do it ... check out "Principal Edwards. Check out Incredible String Band. but it was the one that ... happened to make it big, and allows you and I and others to think that they were original! Check out the Incredible STring Band's DVD of "Be Glad the Song Has No End" ... and specially the interview with the director and the various notes from Mike and Robin. ... and then ... say that Genesis started all this? WOW!
And you might read up on the history of the lead singer from ANGE ... apparently he is the son of a circus performer and a lot of their music is "saltimbanque" and "clown" related ... and guess where those come from? .. the massive history of CIRCUS through out Europe alongside a lot of Gypsy lore.
As far as Genesis doing it, in my book it was a bit of a FAD (not a lot ... just a bit!) and a credit to the perception of the musicians involved who were EXTREMELLY aware of other cultures, their influence and the work around them ... which facilitated their own ability to define something they wanted to do ... and did ... beautifully!
And please ... compare Trespass to Caricatures ... and then let's talk "theatrical" ... where one simply added costumes ... the other didn't have to! ... I'm not sure that anyone might have noticed Genesis if it were not for the blow out and color pictures that Melody Maker was showing of so many of those concerts ... that's not to say they don't deserve it ... THEY DO ... and it is GREAT music in my book ... but to say that they were the first ones to discover the wheel, or to discover the egg, or the chicken ... is ludicrous ...
And this thread is not about who was the first ... I merely added some other information that is a little beyond rock music to the discussion ... but I'm not sure that it is possible given your replies ... no other arts are allowed and Genesis is GOD ... I suppose that I could say next what a good christian you are?
I tend to think that the arts in ALL of Europe ... are not as invisible as we think they are ... and someday, some folks here might even understand why Ange will credit Jacques Brel, and David Bowie even does Kurt Weill ... a disk that all rock maniacs think is the bunk of the world and the worst thing ever done! The theatrical-ness of the voice and the singing was already in place in Europe ... Peter picked up on it for 3 albums ... and then went rock'n'roll on us ... not theatrical at all! -- unless you think that a stage presentation in black with a little light bouncing around in their heart is ... theatrically costumed and so original that the world will die!
I happen to think that Heldon, Magma, Yokko ... and a lot of French music is a lot more original and exciting ... why? ... they have an attitude with it that helps create the stuff ... and sometimes London is wayyyyy tooo dependant on a lyric to make sense ... some people can just shut up and play the music ... but "prog" fans will get mad ,... that I don't pray and pay my spiritual compliments to Genesis or ELP ... sorry ... Amon Duul 2 and Can and Mike Oldfield and Vangelis, and Tangerine Dream and Klaus Schulze have that honor ... they never had to show off ... they just did it! So .. what me costume? ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Cheesecakemouse
Date Posted: February 01 2010 at 20:28
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What about the Germans!! Now there is a legacy that has affected popular music globally: techno, industrial rock, ambient ------------- |
Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: February 02 2010 at 01:00
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"Back to France" from Mike Oldfield comes now to mind!
Most prog lovers who speak French but are not "de France" really enjoy the incredible poetry and literary drama the Gauls are so famous for in other artistic spheres! French Prog is clever, ambitious, deeply melancholic , at times romantic and even erotic ! The language leads itself to passionate discourse and eloquent expression. Just like them RPI dudes !!!!!!!  ------------- I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth. |
Posted By: Icarium
Date Posted: February 02 2010 at 04:13
| out of topic but it has to be said Phil Collins actual proffession is actualy acting, (he was first interested in acting and the dramatic arts and the drumming was he's second project, when he took over genesis in the beggining he acted as he was Peter Gabriel, some even said he was more like Peter Gabriel then Peter Gabriel himself |
Posted By: Clijsters
Date Posted: February 02 2010 at 07:13
| Hear Moving Gelatine Plates, papangus, is wondrous. |
Posted By: Anaon
Date Posted: February 04 2010 at 09:21
Taï Phong first two albums are great, and in the English vein, in my opinion!  The opening track, "When It's The Season" on the second album is really great I think  ------------- My music: http://spleenarcana.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://spleenarcana.bandcamp.com/ My blog: http://groovesandmemories.com/" rel="nofollow - http://groovesandmemories.com/ |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: February 04 2010 at 09:29
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They are available at FNAC in Paris for 6 or 7 euros. ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: Anaon
Date Posted: February 04 2010 at 09:33
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Thanks for the tip I only own the second one so I'll probably buy the first one.
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: February 12 2010 at 06:14
Also I would recommend the band Noir Désir, on their masterpiece 'des visages des figures' they recorded a 20 minute song with zornian saxophone solos and the album is somewhat "proggy" in the spirit. ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: Kotro
Date Posted: February 12 2010 at 06:41
That album is absolutely brilliant, but I don't think "L'Europe" is the best moment in it. Still great, though. ------------- Bigger on the inside. |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: February 12 2010 at 07:38
I know it's got nothing to do with music, but wasn't the leader of that band the one who killed his girlfriend, Marie Trintignant? A very sad story indeed  - I remember when it happened. |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: February 12 2010 at 07:41
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There is DEFINITELY something about France (check my previous post ) |
Posted By: Anaon
Date Posted: February 12 2010 at 09:09
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I would recommend Emilie Simon's last album called "The Big Machine" - Her music is becoming epic and there's definately a Kate Bush vibe in her voice and songs http://www.myspace.com/emiliesimonmusic - http://www.myspace.com/emiliesimonmusic ------------- My music: http://spleenarcana.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://spleenarcana.bandcamp.com/ My blog: http://groovesandmemories.com/" rel="nofollow - http://groovesandmemories.com/ |
Posted By: progmatic
Date Posted: February 12 2010 at 21:06
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I love music from all over the world (I live in the states, in Ohio, for a reference point), but I have noticed many of my favorite groups come from three countries -- France, Canada (Canadian-French) and Sweden. I think many French prog and French-Canadian prog groups play very passionate, emotional music. I love Harmonium. Maneige, Ange, Mona Lisa, Clearlight, etc., and my all-time favorite group is Pulsar. I know many people consider Halloween to be their masterpiece but I find Pollen and Strands of the Future to be every bit as compelling. ------------- PROGMATIC |