King Crimson album remixes to be continued
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Topic: King Crimson album remixes to be continued
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Subject: King Crimson album remixes to be continued
Date Posted: January 16 2010 at 06:50
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I just read from Robert Fripp's blog that he started the work on the remixing of In The Wake Of Poseidon, Islands and Larks Tongues In Aspic. Again, the person behind the process is Steven Wilson. Our intended work this week is to mix / re-mix Poseidon in 5.1 & stereo, and re-mix Islands & Larks’ in stereo; both of the latter have already been mixed in 5.1. Poseidon has the disadvantage that we have not been able to find the original pre-bounce tracks. So, we can’t access the original individual mellotron parts. The main mellotron parts on Poseidon – the song is mixed together with acoustic guitar on a stereo pair; drums & bass are also on a stereo pair. Devil’s Triangle is missing lots of its constituent parts. Nevertheless, we have been able to significantly improve Peace, Pictures of a City, Cadence, Cat Food & Groon I… http://www.dgmlive.com/diaries.htm?entry=16491 - http://www.dgmlive.com/diaries.htm?entry=16491 I have yet to see any release dates. |
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Posted By: Eapo_q42
Date Posted: January 18 2010 at 20:30
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For anyone who bothered with the 40th anniversary edition remix of In The Court... Is there any point? I have the 35th anniversary remaster, and the original master from before that, and I am really wondering just what exactly Steven Wilson could possibly do to make me spend my money again. Any opinions? |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: January 18 2010 at 20:34
| Haven't you read about it? They had found the original master tapes (thought to had been lost forever) and they completely re-did the mixing, without having to overdub more instruments per channel, in order to squeeze all the instruments on the 8 channels like they did in 1969. Everybody says that the improvement over any other editions is amazing. |
Posted By: Eapo_q42
Date Posted: January 18 2010 at 20:37
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Well, that's a pain in the ass. I only bought the 35th anniversary one last year, hehe. Now, then, onto the upcoming remasters....are they all expected to show such huge improvement? EDIT: by last year, i meant 2008! January of a new year....gets me every time.... |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: January 18 2010 at 20:44
| I'm tempted to check the difference between the orignal Islands and the remixed. |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: January 19 2010 at 07:00
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Well, the new set of remixes (Poseidon in particular) will NOT be as revolutionary as the first set, even Fripp states that in the link I gave in the OP. On the audiophile forum where I asked for opinions, people said that the improvement over the recent editions was impressive, but that doesn't mean one should necessarily buy the new remixes, as the old remasters were also excellent. This is why I didn't buy the new remixes, as I listen through a minimal computer system, I would probably feel no difference. |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: January 19 2010 at 12:20
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Sigh....... I have original vinyl copies. I think I`ll live.
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Posted By: heavyhallis
Date Posted: January 19 2010 at 13:18
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I think I´ll live without it too. You don´t enhance Rembrandt´s paintings to 3D, do you?
I will never forget when I first heard ItCotCK the first time (I was fourteen then in 1970)! The most amazing musical experience of my life! Not to mention "Sailors tale" a few years later!
The following 8 KC albums are the synthesis of 70:s prog. Fripp was a hero to me (among a lot of others of course, VDGG, GG, Yes, Genesis) but now he seems to have become just an old Scrooge. Supporting PT at Empire Sheperds Bush in 2006, playing 45min. of Soundscapes and the way he was checking his watch for fulltime now and then, was really sad to see. Unfortunally other heroes seem to follow his path. (no names but one is a close collaborator of his). Things used to be better...
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: January 19 2010 at 14:53
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Yeah Bob can be a grouch. I just make do with the older gems. I think for all intents and puposes KC is dead. But if ,all of a sudden, they went on a blowout world tour we'd all be lining up no doubt. It makes me wonder why bands like Jethro Tull, Nektar and the new Focus have no hangups about their past identities.
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Posted By: Eapo_q42
Date Posted: January 19 2010 at 16:11
Thanks, that's exactly what I needed to know. I love, love, love good sound quality, but I'd say I stop *just* short of calling myself an audiophile, so maybe I'll just enjoy my 35th anniversary editions. |
harmonium.ro wrote:Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: February 04 2010 at 16:03
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Some good news: Steven has discovered a different track arrangement for ITWOP – the album, enabling us to remix ITWOP – the song. The rhythm section, guitar & mellotron are on separate tracks - wonderment, joy & bliss arising! - the new stereo mix accomplished c. 14.05. The drums are much improved & the song overall significantly enhanced. Steven will set up the 5.1 & I shall return on Friday afternoon, following the working at Studio Jakko. http://www.dgmlive.com/diaries.htm?entry=16633 - http://www.dgmlive.com/diaries.htm?entry=16633 |
Posted By: LiquidEternity
Date Posted: February 04 2010 at 23:12
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I could really use a better version of Islands. That whine all throughout the title track is really frustrating.
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Posted By: sparkslive
Date Posted: March 02 2010 at 04:53
There are currently plenty reviews about the King Crimson 40th anniversary releases.
http://www.adequacy.net/2009/12/king-crimson-in-the-court-of-the-crimson-king-40th-anniversary-edition/ - http://www.adequacy.net/2009/12/king-crimson-in-the-court-of-the-crimson-king-40th-anniversary-edition/ http://blog.billkopp.com/?p=121 - http://blog.billkopp.com/?p=121 http://blog.risingspiral.com/?p=2125 - http://blog.risingspiral.com/?p=2125 http://twistedspork.blogspot.com/2009/12/king-crimson-in-court-of-crimson-king.html - http://twistedspork.blogspot.com/2009/12/king-crimson-in-court-of-crimson-king.html http://www.bigtakeover.com/reviews/king-crimson-in-the-court-of-the-crimson-king-red-40th-anniversary-series-discipline-global-mobile-inner-knot - http://www.bigtakeover.com/reviews/king-crimson-in-the-court-of-the-crimson-king-red-40th-anniversary-series-discipline-global-mobile-inner-knot I can only add, if you don’t own a 5:1 sound system, this may be a good time to purchase. but the stereo sounds good too and if you have a dvd connected, your on the road to happiness. My immediate reaction while listening to Red, was to reach for the hammer and smash my iPod to bits, nice going Steve, now I’m out a perfectly good tune player. Glad I didn’t find a hammer quick enough and saved the pod from destruction. Steve’s ear for surround sound is nothing short of perfection.With Red, he puts you in the middle of the three musicians. When you have a set up that will allow you to fully enjoy this 5:1 listening experience, there’s no other playback available to make this sound any better. The Steve Wilson Robert Fripp team have set a new standard for future reissues and perhaps, new releases. Yeah you can hear a difference with the 5.1 mix. All the stuff I listen to is stereo. So, it's nice to listen when I have a chance.
The surround sound is an essential part of a Home Theater. The system gives more depth and expansion to the sound track. The Blu-ray deck I have will handle 7.1 but in a small room 6 channel Discrete is ample. and I don't have a 7.1 amp. there are systems out now with 10.2 sound. With this set up for Music it puts you in the middle of the sound. Not like live sound where your being hit from the front. My amp also has setting for Hall, Club, Live, Theater and sim surround. Venues vary with acoustics so it gives you more chioces but the 5.1 makes music sound really full if you have the time to sit and enjoy. For the most part we're in the car or have the buds in or at a PC. My sound system at work was nothing more then a henri kloss Tivoli with my 16g nano. used to have it connected to a discman and lugged lots of CD's but sometimes we do things for convenience. To be sure you can try taking your 35th (30th) anniversary to a stereo shop. They most likey have a room set up for 5.1 and ask to listen to a sample.
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Posted By: Nightfly
Date Posted: March 02 2010 at 09:35
I'd hang on for the 45th Aniversary editions if i was you
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: March 02 2010 at 11:43
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: March 02 2010 at 13:42
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I think that's what gave the older music character. The sometimes not up-tp scratch recordings. I have a friend who is a audio junkie and he'll play me a remaster of an ancient Led Zep album and point ou t all these little things and I'll just say, Yeah OK. He's got a bloody mixer that looks not unlike the flight deck of the Space Shuttle. My originals do the trick for me on my 30 year-old Micro Seiki turntable on my Telefunken speakers that were given to me by a friend's dad in the 70s. I would think that they date from the sixties. I just don't get it man!
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Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: March 02 2010 at 13:49
Rip the mf'er at 64 kpbs and the whine vanishes. |
Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: March 02 2010 at 13:57
I ended up getting the two CD edition that has the 2009 remix, the 2004 master edition and a boatload of bonus tracks on both discs. I skipped the DVD/5.1 gobbledygook because I don't have 400 dollars lying around to spend on some fancy new system. CDs and two speakers are just fine, thank you very much. Now, as for the remix, it works alright. Less hiss, for one thing. The drums feel a bit louder and everything is spaced out just a bit more. Oh, and Moonchild loses three extraneous minutes. Is it worth it? The remix is okay, but the really juicy bit comes in the form of bonus material. |
Posted By: sparkslive
Date Posted: March 03 2010 at 02:37
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At the current rate they won't be ready untill the 45th. Slartibartfast, are you sure you don't have any 8 tracks? V baby, sounds like your pal likes to hear his music well. |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: March 03 2010 at 10:05
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I like to hear the music the way it was meant to be heard. He likes to hear it the way it was not meant to be heard. With all this remastering the music loses it's essence. ------------- |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: March 03 2010 at 10:18
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Just like my airplane. They're replacing it with Super Hornets. Bitchy at low altitude. Bitchy bitchy bitchy. Ask any Pig driver who has flown an F-18. F-111 = Rolls Royce of the skies. Gave the Indonesions nightmares. I don't understand why Fripp has to f**k with the tapes. ------------- |
Posted By: Bonnek
Date Posted: March 03 2010 at 10:53
As a prog fan you need at least 3 editions of this one right? So I bought the 40th edition because I only had the LP and the agonizing first CD issue. Besides I adore good 5.1 mixes and in that respect it sure does not disappoint. I hardly hear a difference between the new stereo mix and the 35th anniversary edition though, so if you're not into 5.1 surround, save your money. |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: March 03 2010 at 18:15
The way that the early KC music was supposed to be heard was that which can be found on these remixes. The fact that you keep posting this kind of remarks only shows that you didn't even bother to read something about what's happening.  I'll say it in a few words: the music of KC was supposed to be a very rich, layered music. There were a lot of instruments but mixers only had 8 tracks at the time. So because there were a lot more sounds happening than 8 tracks could receive, what they did during the mixing was to record the content of two original tapes together on one new tape. That meant that two different sounds from two different tapes were now on the same tape, occupying only one channel instead of two. After that, they put two of these new tapes and recorded them together, obtaining one tape that had the contents of four original master tapes. Each of these processes was a downgrade in sound quality. The music of KC was supposed to be rich, but because of the current state of technology, they had to choose between a simple music with less instruments (but captured in it's full sound) or keeping all those instruments and layers but with a compromise on quality. They chose the second version. Soon new mixers were invented, with more than 8 tracks (now, with digital mixers, the number of tracks to be mixed can be infinite), but the master tapes weren't found. They thought they lost the master tapes. So after 30 years of so someone accidentally finds the master tapes and the mixing can be re-done, with a channel for each sound. The way that it supposed to. |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: March 03 2010 at 18:47
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I don't have a 5.1 system, does anybody know if the new Lizard mix is worth the little extra money over the 2004 version? I remember reading Fripp talking about how impressed he was with what SW had done (and maybe they found some master tapes?), but Fripp seems to be very bitter about that album so I don't know.
Also, I understand the difference between 24 bit and 16 bit, but I'm not sure how it works: I have just a normal laptop with what I'm pretty sure is an integrated sound card, is it possible to get the 24 bit mix off of the DVD and into AAC form? And would the compression ruin any difference between the 16 and 24 bit versions? ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: March 03 2010 at 18:51
| ^ Your second paragraph needs some real experts... As for the first paragraph, yes, they found the original master tapes and remixed them without downgrading, and if you already have the previous Lizard remaster and a simple stereo system, then you should most likely stick to it. |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: March 03 2010 at 22:58
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I, fortunately, refrained from buying the 2004, so the question is whether it's worth the extra $7. I don't buy new remasters of albums I already own. And I use headphones--stereos are way too expensive. But the headphones are killing my tinnitus. :( ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: March 04 2010 at 07:00
| ^ My stereos cost me about 30 bucks and I'm very happy with them. However they wouldn't provide a better experience if I had the new remixes, or at least that's what I've been said by more knowledgeable people. I am still interested in the remixes as a long-term investment (I will have a decent system sometime) and also because of the bonus material (I have no idea what kind of bonus stuff does Lizard have). |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: March 04 2010 at 09:54
You don't get my point. My point is that I was around at least a few years after the originals and basically that's all I know. It was good anough for me then iT's still good enough for me. I actually went out and bought ITCOTCK when it first came out and as you know it was pretty dssapointing. I think this was even before Fripp won his legal battles with EG and was able to have final say on things Crimson. I have heard the first remixes of ITCOTCK done with the found tapes and seven then still didn't really make a difference to me. I've even heard some of the other stuff my friend the audio junkie has. It's funny this guy will go out and buy remastered sh*t just for the bloody sound. Even if he doesn't like the music. My point is, as I said earlier, is the fact that everything wasn't always to scratch back in the old days. For me all the anomalies and difficulties of the day gives the music another dimension and personality. My record collection drives my friend Marco the audio junkie nuts. He can't beleive that I can listen to an original pressing of something like Tubular Bells which was one of the first albums avialable in the Audiophile editions that started come out in '77 or '78. He can't understand how I can even listen to the ticks and scratches. I just tell him I'm listening to the music. There's even music that doesn't sound right to me without the ticks & scratches! I'm just nostalgic. An incurable romantic. Whoa! there goes my rotary phone ringing! ------------- |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: March 06 2010 at 06:05
Now there's a well reasoned, thoughtful post, that I can handle. How about keeping this attitude and losing the short derogatory remarks?  |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: March 17 2010 at 05:45
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The work progresses... First pass through Formentera Lady. This is a rock group?!! More air is now being added to the left channel, 20k up from 17k. Not of itself audible to most adult ears, this has effect on the higher harmonics of lower tones. More, we sense that something has changed, rather than hearing a change. .... |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: March 17 2010 at 05:55
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And speaking of how the music was supposed to be: The above only a small part of the associations & resonances that King Crimson – the band/s – and its catalogue hold for me, returning to life whenever I return to hands-on such as this. Fortunately, in this most recent work with Steven Wilson, remixing in stereo & mixing in surround, accessing original tapes, the music has escaped from the conditions of its playing & recording, and has become available as if for the first time. Freedom from associations apart, at no time, even in the studio/s during the recording sessions, has the sound quality matched this. I am hearing the music. The period is being redeemed. http://www.dgmlive.com/diaries.htm?entry=16972 - http://www.dgmlive.com/diaries.htm?entry=16972 |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: March 29 2010 at 21:16
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How is the remixing of In The Wake Of Poseidon coming: A morning through-listen to ITWOP – the album. Pictures Of A City, Cadence & Cascade, Peace A Theme, Cat Food & Groon are superb, and have never sounded better at any time I have listened to them, including in the studio when they were recorded. Taken together, these are half of the wonderful second KC album that didn’t. ITWOP – the song is now listenable, even enjoyable, but not classic. The Devil’s Triangle: a suite in 3 parts. The first part is now listenable, and not bad. The second is barely listenable, but I would rather not. The third is listenable & begins well, but I am then grateful when it goes away. I would happily delete this from the album. But, while this is acceptable on a compilation, it’s not acceptable when re-presenting the album. http://www.dgmlive.com/diaries.htm?entry=16996 - http://www.dgmlive.com/diaries.htm?entry=16996 ITWOP – the stereo Wilson-Fripp remixed album. Significant moves forward from last week. Now, it is listenable throughout with stunning musicianship from Michael Giles, Mel Collins & Keith Tippet. Even The Devil’s Triangle works. We have inserted PQ points for each of the three parts of the DT suite, to aid those who might like to move it along to the third part; where popular music forms drop into the black hole & disappear with 1969, which never quite got into 1970, along with a pile of sea-going vessels. Fine-tuning continues & incremental advances have significant effect, even to a surprising degree. 11.51 Simon: This is the first time I’ve listened through to this album right. Simon has listened through to this album on several occasions for some years. This value-judgment is also true for me, and I’ve been listening to it for a lot longer. 13.02 We have also mastered some added-value tracks, not all of which add personal value. But then, I am not much interested in the gory history of alternative versions. Neverthless, if I were, I would be thrilled by an early trio Devil’s Triangle prior to multi mellotron-overdubs. In some ways it is stronger than the final mix I… http://www.dgmlive.com/diaries.htm?entry=17020 - http://www.dgmlive.com/diaries.htm?entry=17020 Today’s work: ITWOP - the album in 5.1. The problem we have faced with The Devil’s Triangle is our inability to find the original multi-tracks, leaving us with the original stereo mix. Simon’s masterly touch, along with http://www.penteosurround.com/ - Penteo has polished the job. DT I, II & III are now tickled. If allowed a radical option, I would delete DT II & move from I straight to III. But probably that would be too much for most of those who continue to fondle vinyl sleeves in private rooms. An earlier attempt by Simon & Robert is recounted in the Diary for http://www.dgmlive.com/diaries.htm?entry=1356 - Tuesday, 7th September 1999 . Onto the 5.1 of Beat. Neal & Jack & Me – Absent Lovers. This belongs to utterly different time & space than Poseidon & Islands. Much werning & twerning continues as Beat moves through Heartbeat, Turkish D (original name), Waiting Man & now Neurotica. Onto added-value tracks for the Islands DVD & CD. Taken together, these are somewhere between added-value, historic-interest, and cruel-and-unnatural punishment. http://www.dgmlive.com/diaries.htm?entry=17021 - http://www.dgmlive.com/diaries.htm?entry=17021 |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: March 31 2010 at 09:37
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Why doesn't Fripp just get the band back together and make a new album? I still don't understand what the point is behind all these remasters. If you're familiar with any of Larry Coryell's work you'll find literally tons of musical mistakes and glitches in the recordings. He just shrugs it off and says oh well, I f**ked up. I would like to see one of those so and so vs so and so threads with Coryell vs Fripp. Coryell is one guitarist that can hold his own with anyone bar none. warning! warning! off topic! off topic! As much as I love King Crimson's music I just think all this remastering is just getting well... stupid. ------------- |
Posted By: sparkslive
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 05:34
Have you even heard the Starless 5.1 re-mix?
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 09:19
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I've talked with Larry on three occasions and have a good portion of his output both as a sideman and solo. I also did some research in order to write his bio here on PA. ( I also wrote the KC bio here as well ). With all this technology at work I think people lose appreciation for the music itself. I hate repeating myself but as I said earlier in the thread all the misgivings of the original recordings whether it be of a technical or artistic nature is what gave them another dimension. I remember complaining about the crappy recording quality of Earthbound back in the seventies which Fripp swore would never be released on CD. But when it wasfinally released on CD I started saying" what? That's not the way the goddam thing is supposed to sound!". So now I'm much happier with my original vinyl copy with the pink label. Wonder what it sells for on these vinyl trading sites? ------------- |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 12:22
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Fripp also talks a lot on his blog about his albums, quite often noting errors or things he doesn't like any more. Some are even granted the "unbearable" epithet.
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Posted By: thellama73
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 12:36
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I might get the Islands remaster, because I actually don't have that album yet, but I have no wish to replace my 35th anniversary versions.
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 15:56
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I mean, did leonardo go back and change the Mona Lisa because the background was too uneven. "Unbearable" Sometimes I think Bob is losing his marbles with old age.
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: April 01 2010 at 16:17
Visual artists are the most obnoxious in this regard - some keep their best works hidden for decades because "they need to work this a bit more", or "it's unfinished, really" or other such crap I even personally know a painter who took back a painting from the collector who bought it because he wanted to "make a couple of slight retouches". The collector is still waiting for his painting back after several years |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: April 02 2010 at 11:23
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Look at Francis Bacon. He destroyed most of his works he did in the 40s. Maybe Fripp should just destroy everything Crimson then he wouldn't have to be worried about it being "unbearable". I was reading an article with Jimmy Page in the latest Classic Rock and he says he left in tons of mistakes on Zeppelin recordings. But how many Zeppelin remasters have we had  ???? Duh.------------- |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: April 02 2010 at 11:34
| ^ Of course Zepp didn't need more than one remaster as they never lost their original master tapes like in the case of KC. |
Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: April 02 2010 at 13:13
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: April 02 2010 at 14:23
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And what will these new remasters cost? Is he going to do the same thing as he did with ITCOTCK? Offer the single CD version as well as the super deluxe 5 CD blowout version . Maybe this would have worked back in the days of vinyl but these days with the volume of music that's available on CD ( rapidly becoming a relic of the past ) and online one has to be rather selective when buying music. When that Great Deciever box set came out it was absolutely mindblowing. I couldn't stop listening to it. My girlfriend was ready to kill me. But I just think all this remastering is going into overkill. Unfortunately for me King Crimson has lost some of it's mystique because of this. Next thing you know we'll have a remaster of Absent Friends with enhanced audience. ( it was my buddy that told Belew that joke to which he responded "we're working". Actually I wish he'd do that because I can't remember the bloody joke and you can't hear it on the Cd either !
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Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: April 02 2010 at 14:25
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^ Wah wah. If you don't want it, then don't buy it. It's not like Bobby 'Chuckles' Fripp is sending the goon squad to break your hiss-and-pop laden LPs and forcing you to buy the newfangled 5.1 Steve Whodunnit remix box. |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: April 02 2010 at 14:29
| ^^ All the remixes are released on vinyl too. And everyone that has bought the new remixes says that they're worth all the money paid and more! |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: April 02 2010 at 14:36
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: April 02 2010 at 15:29
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Finding tapes that weren't available is "f**king" with them? That's interesting. |
Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: April 02 2010 at 17:30
Well, keep wishing. In the mean time, at least check out the bonus/previously unreleased material. Some of it is absolute gold. Oh, do lay off the steroids |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: April 03 2010 at 13:34
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Finding tapes that didn't make the cut. Just like that guy you were talking about who took his painting back. what the freak is that? Same thing here. Why doesn't Fripp just re-record everything.then and call it Wake Of Poseidon 2010, Lizard 2010, Islands 2010 etc. Maybe I could deal with that. I actually liked Orchestral Tubular Bells and Tubular Bells II until Oldfield went off the deep end. Why can't Fripp find anything that wasn't released like the Mahavishnu Orchestra's Lost Trident Sessions ( actually some of it was released as live material ). Even Bobby "Boris" Pickett's Monster Mash didn't have the hell re-mastered out of it in all it's re-releases. ------------- |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: April 03 2010 at 13:38
No, it's not left-over material. It's the master tapes. They didn't have them when they did the 30th anniversary remasters or any other re-release. When they did the 30th ann. remaster they only remastered the overdubbed tapes. |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: April 03 2010 at 13:43
But he does that a lot, they release 70s/80s recordings with great regularity. They have about 900 buyers for such releases, usually. |
Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: April 03 2010 at 17:27
Are you even paying attention to what's going on? Your alarmist ramblings are ill-informed, to say the least. Don't want bonus cuts, live takes, demos, alternate mixes and alternate takes? Too good for remasters and additional fare? Your loss. |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: August 24 2010 at 06:15
| The mail order shop is now taking pre-orders for the 40th anniversary editions of http://store.nexternal.com/shared/StoreFront/product_detail.asp?RowID=1155&CS=dgm&All= - - Islands. |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: November 10 2010 at 11:35
Really hard work is being done for remixing Starless And Bible Black: More "details" here: http://www.dgmlive.com/diaries.htm?entry=18459 - http://www.dgmlive.com/diaries.htm?entry=18459 Also, Steven Wilson said that the work on LTIA and Beat is done and the release is now up to the label to be decided. |
Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: November 10 2010 at 11:41
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Once LTiA is done I'm going to order that one and Islands - the two I'm most interested in from the series. Maybe I'll get Lizard and Discipline once Discipline's re-done.
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Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: November 10 2010 at 11:53
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I really liked what he did with Islands, that's the only one so far that I've listened to with some care. Too bad there wasn't a new stereo mix of Red on the reissue. ------------- http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=42652" rel="nofollow - It's on PA! 
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: November 10 2010 at 11:55
Looking forward to more trolling from Vibey here 
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Posted By: Ronnie Pilgrim
Date Posted: November 10 2010 at 14:10
I love this thread. I have more respect for Walter AND Vibey oddly enough. But I see both sides. I have often said slight imperfections give art a human warmth.  I had all the old vinyls, and I am fine with them. I bet the remasters in 5.1 do sound better, but that won't make me like them more. Bonus tracks are always nice feature, and profits are what keep the music industry alive, so I understand the incentive to make an update that much more desirable. It's your money, after all, spend it however you like.
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Posted By: The Neck Romancer
Date Posted: November 10 2010 at 15:33
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Definitely going to get LTIA, Red and Islands. If they're as good as the revamped ITCOCK... ------------- 
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