Metallica/Black Album vs. Beatles/White Album?
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Topic: Metallica/Black Album vs. Beatles/White Album?
Posted By: earlyprog
Subject: Metallica/Black Album vs. Beatles/White Album?
Date Posted: January 08 2010 at 13:53
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Both borderline prog and In terms of sales almost equally popular but what is PA's preference?
(I know this poll belongs in the "proto prog/prog related" lounge but for some reason I am unable to create in the proper lounge so some PA authority please move!)
(And BTW, why can't I allow single voting with replies?!.....I guess you can't tell me as your reply is not allowed
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: January 08 2010 at 17:46
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Single voting without replies was not allowed because the "Make Poll only (no replies allowed)" option was checked. Anyway, I'm not really familiar with Metallica's black album so I can't vote, but I suspect that Spinal Tap's black album would beat it for me. |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: January 08 2010 at 18:06
Metallica's Master of Puppets is one of my favourite metal (and not just metal) albums of all time, but the so-called 'Black Album' is, in my humble opinion, one of the most boring albums ever recorded (and no, I am not going to use the O word ). There is just no comparison whatsoever with the Beatles' White Album, which contains some genuine classics.
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Posted By: Sckxyss
Date Posted: January 08 2010 at 19:05
| I'm with Raff.. I love some of Metallica's earlier albums, but they took a huge step down with Metallica. |
Posted By: Stooge
Date Posted: January 08 2010 at 19:17
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White Album. It's actually the only Beatles album I own currently (though I'll one day grab a few more), and while I own most of Metallica's albums, the Black album is my least favorite of the ones I own. I only like a few songs on it actually (Of Wolf And Man, Unforgiven, and Sad But True). It's a transition album that isn't as heavy as their previous work and doesn't rock as hard as the Load albums. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: January 08 2010 at 22:26
| I as a matter of fact like The Black album of Metallica a lot, I guess it's my favourite of them. On the other hand, The Beatles White Album has too much filler for me, with just a few very good songs... but one of them, While My Guitar Gently Weeps, is my very favourite Beetles song. However, I guess I vote Black. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: January 08 2010 at 22:43
| there was a good Beatles boot in the 80s called The Black Album full of outtakes from '68 |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: January 08 2010 at 22:49
depends what you mean bt "filler" -- Rocky Raccoon, Yer Blues, Martha, WDWDiitR, Birthday, Sexy Sadie, Cry Baby Cry, I Will, is that filler? Besides it was the relaxed quality that gave the record its magic.. but then I'm sure you realize that |
Dellinger wrote:Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: January 08 2010 at 23:23
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^ None of those are even close to filler. I understand why the Black Album is the representative Metallica album here, but that prevents this poll from even being a contest. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Jake Kobrin
Date Posted: January 08 2010 at 23:59
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The White Album is probably my least favorite Beatles record but I'm not a gigantic fan of The Black Album either... :/ I'd probably say The White at least.
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Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: January 09 2010 at 02:06
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This is actually tough. I'm a pretty serious Metallica fan, but The Black Album is one of my least favorites from them. It's got quite a few great songs such as The God That Failed and My Friend of Misery, but half the album has been played to death by radio stations and the band live. I was absolutely crazy about this album when I first heard it ten years ago, when all the songs were somewhat on the same line familiarity-wise. Still very enjoyable once a year. The White Album is perhaps my least favourite Beatles album from their output starting with Rubber Soul. First it felt a bit like a big bag of filler, but later I've grown to like the most of the songs a lot. I rather enjoy even Revolution 9. And it's got perhaps my favourite Beatles song in Blackbird. So, an album that I can't play more often than once a year in danger of overplaying it and an album I keep liking more and more. White it is.
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: January 09 2010 at 03:01
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The Black Album suckssssssssssssssssssssssssss. Sorry, but christ, that is one boring, uninspiring album. Don't love the White album, but it's better than the Black Album |
Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: January 09 2010 at 04:46
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The White Album. A milestone full of awesomeness that had set a few standards in music. As for The Black Album, don't tell me it's not good - because it is. It's just not as good as some other Metallica's albums. And it was a landmark for the shift in band's career, which was a good thing (yes, good!) - it's responsible for acceptance of (thrash) metal based music to the wider masses. And I like Load more than Death Magnetic, sue me. ------------- |
Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: January 09 2010 at 05:59
But of course. Load is a great album, but a bit overlong. The Outlaw Torn is their best song if you ask me. ------------- http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=42652" rel="nofollow - It's on PA!
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Posted By: earlyprog
Date Posted: January 09 2010 at 07:42
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Although The Black Album is perhaps Metallica's most accessible album it's puzzling how it managed to sell as well as (or even better than) The White Album. The 25 years that separate the two albums shifted the market place entirely but still.. Overall the two albums appear completely different, yet individual songs like Helter Skelter are not far from what's presented on The Black Album. The music hasn't changed that much except that is has become more differentiated and focused on one particular style of music. The Beatles were inventive and were all over the musical spectrum.
The metal community is strong on PA and I had expected that to affect the preference, but I overlooked the fact that the same community dislike The Black Album more almost any of Metallica's other output.
(Thanks Logan for solving some of my issues with poll making
 Next time will be much easier, perhaps even faultless ) |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: January 09 2010 at 20:34
It's not good. |
Posted By: Dellinger
Date Posted: January 09 2010 at 21:05
I said it had too much filler FOR ME, which ofcourse means songs I don't like. However, I might just as well give a few more spins to that album... someday. And ideed, most of the songs you posted I don't like much... most I don't quiet remember (I said I need to give the album a few more listens, maybe I would change my mind). |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: January 10 2010 at 15:05
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I don't give a damn about what people think is better in this case. I enjoy the black album by Metallica about 21387172938172 times more than the bore-fest white album by the Beatles.... ------------- 
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: January 10 2010 at 16:48
The Black album is a snoozefest. The White album is awesome
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Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: January 10 2010 at 17:00
boring is a term that fits more the post-rock or post-hardcore scene, not metal one.
Regarding the poll, if we had the Damned Black album vs the Beatles White album, I would vote without hesitation for the Black Album. ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: January 10 2010 at 17:05
Sorry, I don't care what fits what - I find it boring, therefore I will use the word boring. I believe that freedom of speech still applies when talking about music. |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: January 10 2010 at 17:39
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^ "commercial" maybe would apply. I never found this album "boring", even the ballad nothing else matters. It's not a bad album, but if all tracks were in the vein of "struggle within" I would rate as high as its predecessor.------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: TheLastBaron
Date Posted: January 10 2010 at 19:59
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Metallica's black album is a great metal band holding back and moving towards a more commercial and acceptable sound, its an album where a band that was growing and developing with its previous albums decided to stop progressing and regress. The black album would make sense as thier freshmen effort, but not as thier fifth album, especially after ride the lightning and master of puppets. The White album is a great double album, there are a few weak songs but over all its great, four out of five stars. The Beatles created a really diverse, well polished and enjoyable album, so many different styles and influences are present in the album. I'm a huge fan of both The Beatles and Metallica, but I can listen to the white album over and over again and enjoy at least 90% of it, I played the black album for the first time in years a few months ago and after a few minutes I remembered why I hate the black album. ------------- " Men are not prisoners of fate, but prisoners of their own minds." - FDR |
Posted By: Tsevir Leirbag
Date Posted: January 10 2010 at 20:30
This poll must be some kind of a joke.... 
The Beatles (because it's the name of the album) is not only FAR better, but also, more important and influencial.
That said, I think Metallica made pretty awful music, but Black Album and MoP aren't bad, but still, comparing them to the Beales is exagerated. ------------- Les mains, les pieds balancés Sur tant de mers, tant de planchers, Un marin mort, Il dormira - Paul Éluard |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: January 10 2010 at 22:14
I don't get it because a song is played at a fast tempo it can't be boring? It's commercial, safe, and boring. It's one of the most boring albums I've heard by a respectable band. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: January 10 2010 at 23:26
I think it makes a lot of sense as it is. On Justice they went as complex as their skills allowed, and after the tour they must have thought that f**k these acrobatics, let's just make some good, heavy, rocking songs that are fun to play. Black Album is one of the best sounding albums I can think of, too bad some of the songs have gotten a bit.... boring, yes. ------------- http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=42652" rel="nofollow - It's on PA!
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Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: January 11 2010 at 04:16
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The White Album - it's a bit of a flawed masterpiece, but it's a masterpiece nonetheless.
The Black album is a solid piece of work, but lacks the adventurousness of Metallica's earler albums. I suspect the main reason why so many people dislike it is because it's their crossover album rather than because of any serious musical shortcomings. ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: earlyprog
Date Posted: January 11 2010 at 07:02
Why is the Beatles (aka White album) more important and influential than Metallica (because it's the name of the album)?
At this time (1968) The Beatles (the band) were being overhauled by the exlosion of different musical genres surrounding them. What happened around them was far more important and influential (Cream, Jefferson Airplane, Deep Purple, Traffic, Jethro Tull, Jimi Hendrix, The Nice etc).
Depends on what parameters you use to compare the two albums.
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Posted By: Juiceboxbiotch
Date Posted: January 12 2010 at 16:37
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There oughta be a poll here called "Apples vs. Oranges." Oh wait...this is that thread.
Srsly these 2 albums have nothing to do with eachother.
That said, The White Album is my absolute favorite Beatles record, and the Black Album is without a doubt Metallica's worst (until St. Anger of course). So it's an easy vote. |
Posted By: Kashmir75
Date Posted: February 03 2010 at 23:56
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I'm a big Metallica fan, but my vote goes to the White Album. Why? Because in my opinion, its by far the best thing the Beatles ever recorded. It encompasses so many genres, and probably helped to create a few others. Helter Skelter influenced heavy metal. Some others pointed the way to prog rock.
The Black album is fine, but not as good as their 80s stuff. I don't think its bad at all, just more commercial and less proggy. ------------- Hello, mirror. So glad to see you, my friend. It's been a while... |
Posted By: halabalushindigus
Date Posted: February 04 2010 at 02:25
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You cannot compare 4 men who play metal vs. 4 icons of the 20th century. Black, I think, is a good metal album. White, on the other hand, is well, The Beatles hellooo...
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Posted By: Mladen_Serbia
Date Posted: February 04 2010 at 13:05
| Although I'm a huge fan of The Beatles (Metallica isn't even close), The White album is rather overrated, there's plenty of filler in my opinion... So I guess I'll choose Black album. |
Posted By: Fieldofsorrow
Date Posted: February 11 2010 at 14:56
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The White Album for me in every respect.
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Posted By: halabalushindigus
Date Posted: February 12 2010 at 02:50
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"Wherever I May Roam" way better than "Helter Skelter" . More vision on the black. The white is a 90 minute ride to nowhere. Black stands tall. I think John killed the "Beatle" project after revolver. why not that's what revolver stands for: death (and taxes) ------------- assume the power 1586/14.3 |
Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: February 21 2010 at 04:18
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Well i enjoy both albums very much, but i gues in the end the white album is the bigger and beter one. ------------- 
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