Just how religious are you?
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Topic: Just how religious are you?
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Subject: Just how religious are you?
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 15:27
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Alright, before you cry out "not another religious poll by Mike the Atheist" ... let me explain why I created this poll. I've been very impressed with Sam Harris' book The End of Faith. If you are familiar with the other authors who have been lumped together under the moniker "New Atheists", you'll know that they all differ to a certain degree, and Sam Harris differs from the others, too. He rejects the notion of an "Atheist movement" and is not at all happy with the label "Atheist". Today I watched a video from 2007's AAI convention, where he explains this criticism and proposes some alternative ways of dealing with the situation. Here's the video ... watch it if you're interested in an unusually critical view on "Atheism". So: what do you think? Could we somehow manage to discuss religion without using words like "Theism", "Atheism", "Deism" etc. and respect each other? I'm willing to give it a try, and - like Sam Harris - I'll have to say this: Not all religions, or religious people, are necessarily equally bad from the perspective of a non believer. In return, I hope that not all non-religious people are necessarily equally bad from the perspective of a believer. In the end it depends on our individual actions. Poll choices explanations: Fundamentalism is meant to include the notion of "giving the religion absolute precedence over any other norm", in the case of #2 with the exclusion of violence. This in essence means that a fundamentalist believes that his religious laws are more important than the secular laws. By "violence" I mean religiously motivated violence against unbelievers or heretics or to protect the belief. By "spirituality and mysticism" I mean non-metaphysical, introspective techniques of meditation or contemplation. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 15:29
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I'm totally rational.
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Posted By: Any Colour You Like
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 15:29
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Oh FFS. No offence intended Mike, but seriously, most people have had enough of these polls/threads. And I'm a non-religious person myself. |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 15:32
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 15:32
| ^^ I had already asked Dean to close the other one that I had created in December about the "Brights" and "Supers" last week. People evolve ... and I don't think another poll will be necessary. I'm just curious what people think about this different approach, avoiding the pitfalls of the word "Atheism". |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 15:35
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And I officially promise: No more religiously motivated threads or polls from me after this one in this forum. BTW: I voted for rationality with the possibility of spirituality and mysticism. 
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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 15:37
Almost bang on! What I did infact shout out was ' not another f**king religious poll' ------------- Help me I'm falling! |
Mr ProgFreak wrote:Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 15:37
| Last but one option for me (not religious, but embrace spirituality and mysticism). |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 15:38
Everyone is bad. That is the biblical doctrine of total depravity (Romans 3:23). That's all I have to say about that.  ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 15:39
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^ I can live with being bad if everyone else is, too. That pretty much removes any meaning from the word anyway.
------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 15:40
| I said "I'm religious by tradition and general message" because it seemed like the most correct answer for me. |
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 15:41
| My religion prevents me from answering this question. |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 15:43
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I had been planning to make a poll that uses the "Dawkins scale" from 1 to 7 between Theism and Atheism. But it occurred to me that this idea would bias people against the concept of Atheism even more. I'm inclined to prefer the label "Not religious" to "Atheist", since it avoids the "ring" of dogma or fundamentalism BTW: In fact this is a totally different poll than the one that I just described ... it also has seven choices, but that is merely coincidental. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 15:43
Wouldn't sayiing that be an answer in and of itself? |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 15:44
Actually, no you can't.  But carry on. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 15:45
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What about the belief that I am in fact the creator of all and you are all just a part of my deranged imagination? ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 15:45
I believe it would. |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 15:45
It definitely has a fundamentalist ring to it. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 15:47
I guess that would be choice #2, and you're the only member of your religion. |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 15:48
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Out of curiosity Mike, just for fun- Presumably you read my "nutshell" of beliefs in the other thread (whichever one it was  ).How would you pigeonhole me according to your poll? ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 15:48
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After two or three pages, this thread will end up being just another religion vs. atheism thread. Why even bother? ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Any Colour You Like
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 15:49
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You are all delusional. Now where is my purple-winged mammoth? |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 15:50
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@Epignosis: choice #3. I first called it "literally", but then changed it to "seriously" to allow for your attempts to interpret scripture in a different way that some scholars would. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 15:50
I'm thinking of converting. Some of the The Doctor's...erm..."prophets" just showed up at my door with literature and wrenches. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 15:51
Come on, have a little faith in people. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 15:51
But I take all scripture seriously. Unless you think I don't (just curious). ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 15:52
Yes The Dr is the one and only true god - they just turned up at my door with suits and wenches! ------------- Help me I'm falling! |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 15:53
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^^ ok, so I should have made it "most, if not all". Would you call your religion a separate sect of Christianity then? If you plan to start preaching it or define special practices, maybe choice #2 would be better suited. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 15:54
How lucky for you! You just got wrenches. I have to read their literature while they flog...er..."caress" me.  ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 15:55
Yeah, and it's been hell on my church coffer.
 Seriously though, I'm guessing one of the last two options, as my usual answer to such questions is "I don't know". I guess I believe there is more to life, the universe, etc. than what we can experience with our senses and what science can so far tell us, but I have no idea what that "more" is.
Oh wait! I take that last paragraph back. It appears I have some converts.  ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 15:59
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I'm totally irrational and my lame-brain deity of fiddle faddle guitar strumming fantasy says I can take out anyone who looks at me crosseyed.
That means you Freaky Man. ------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 16:03
Yep I ot Wenches and I just can't get rid of them!  (The literature is very long and complex too - this may take some time!  ------------- Help me I'm falling! |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 16:03
^^ thanks for reminding me ... I'm going to play the guitar for a while.
------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 16:03
Well, in terms of metaphysics (not matters of soteriology), I find I am closest to http://www.carm.org/religious-movements/christadelphianism/what-do-christadelphians-teach - Christadelphian teachings (no Trinity, no personal Satan, no immortal, immaterial soul, no eternal hell), but in terms of most other doctrines, I find I am closest to Southern Baptists (with a mostly Calvinist slant, if labels must be applied). Of course, as I mentioned, I am a materialist, which is why Christadelphianism comes closest to my understanding of the world, but when it comes to matters of salvation, Southern Baptists (mostly) get it right (from my experience). ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Trademark
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 16:05
| I'm totally rational so my grandchildren will evolve into a dill pickle and a cyborg. |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 16:05
^ Well, good luck with that, but I simply don't believe in any of it.
------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 16:06
Words. Too many words. That I don't understand.
Come over to my religion Robert. All you need to know is beer and wenches (or is that wrenches?  ) for all. No other words necessary. ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: Trademark
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 16:07
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^^FIANLLY The truth!! Mike doesn't believe in evolution.
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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 16:09
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Wenches wenches wenches (please) ------------- Help me I'm falling! |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 16:09
But biblical Christianity allows for beer and wrenches. No wenches though. Just a harpy we call a "wife."  ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 16:14
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What kind of religion doesn't allow for wenches? You can call your wife a wench if you like! (Better than harpy me thinks). ------------- Help me I'm falling! |
Posted By: Trademark
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 16:16
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^^ Sleeping with the fishes either way.
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Posted By: Any Colour You Like
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 16:16
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There is no Old Norse Paganism option, think of the Vikings! You don't need wenches and beer when you have villages to rape, pillage and steal mead from. |
Posted By: UndercoverBoy
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 16:21
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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 16:26
This could be option 1 if you were a fundementalist Norse Pagan? ------------- Help me I'm falling! |
Posted By: Any Colour You Like
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 16:29
Maybe, Vikings don't condone violence though. That village was simply asking for it. |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 16:40
Finally an option I can get 100% behind.  and I can't stress this part enough ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 16:42
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See, I totally saw that one coming.
------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 16:52
| The way this poll is set up, I think I'm somewhere between the bottom two options. I'd have to choose the final option because I wouldn't say I embrace "mysticism" - and to be honest I don't think of myself as very spiritual either. That said, I consider many things in my life (primarily my wife and kids) to be a blessing - whether one considers that from "God" or whatever, I don't know, but I feel very fortunate. |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 16:57
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Of course I can't say I think the poll is fair at the outset. If I believe in the Bible I'm apparently not rational. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 16:59
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Now you are being irrational. ------------- 
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 17:11
You are if you regard of the Bible as "empirical evidence". This would be a tangent for all the other discussions we already had ... if you like you can think of yourself as simply smarter than those who are merely rational. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 17:22
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I have to say I'm a little afraid of the one who voted fundamentalist condoning violence. We should hunt him down and beat him with wrenches (or maybe just let the wenches beat him with wrenches). ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 17:26
Nah- I wouldn't be so presumptuous. Anyway, pizza's here.  ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 17:58
It sounds brilliant. At least we now know who voted for it. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 18:10
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I'm not totally rational. Neither am I religious. At least not as religious as you are good Mike. You are starting to look like you fit perfectly in option number 2 (I assume you reject violence....) By the way, how can we call an atheist crusade? A rationade? Atheade? gatorade? Because this is what this is... ------------- 
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Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 18:49
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I believe life is too short to be worrying about these things. Go out there, do good and have a great f**king time while you're doing it, helping the human race along the best you can. People can spend years thinking about this kind of thing, but to me it's just a waste of valuable time, because nobody actually cares. No decent person would think any less of you whether you are Atheist, Theist or believe that humanity was born from custard. Therefore, the only person that REALLY gives a toss about what you believe in is you, and to me, that causes way too much mental stress. Let's all just drink, have sex, laugh and help the needy like we've always done *raises pipnt glass*. I'd rather die happy and ignorant than die worrying if there is a heaven or not.
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Posted By: Citizen Erased
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 18:51
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I'm religious by tradition and general message I voted. Not that I don't take the bible seriously. There's parts of it that I still need to understand though. ------------- And lo, the mighty riffage was played and it was good 
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Posted By: Citizen Erased
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 18:51
Pretentiousade? ------------- And lo, the mighty riffage was played and it was good
<a href="www.last.fm/user/jonzo67" targe |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 19:01
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No 8: I'm totally rational and will accept theoretical and well as empirical evidence. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 19:22
Well, so far in this thread I pretty much only posted that Sam Harris video, which is even critical of Atheism as a sort of movement or quasi-religion, and then stated which option I voted for. Can you really compare this to a crusade? ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 19:24
I changed "empirical" to "scientific" ... I hope that pleases everyone. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 19:28
Well, let's be glad that you and I are in such a situation right now. But let's also not forget that there are many places in this world where people are not so fortunate. Edit: But maybe I'm being too gloomy here ... I'll have a drink and listen to some nice music. Not Neal Morse though ... ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 21:15
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ANOTHER religious poll by Mike!?!? GOD DAMN IT! But seriously, again man? Anyway, I may be wrong...but Im pretty sure I've always been respectful of these discussions. Sure I use the terms "religious, deist, atheist" all that junk but makes it easier. I pride myself on being open minded and fair, but hey I have no idea how I am in reality. I'd say I fall under not religious but embrace spirituality and mysticism. To be fair I also fall under "in paper but dont believe" since I am technically still on the books as a catholic but havnt gone in 8 years, and dont believe in in at all. I dont know, really the only belief I am 100% sure of without a question of a doubt is, I hate people. |
Posted By: Tsevir Leirbag
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 22:22
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I don't believe in God. I really don't believe in God.
God belives in me  ------------- Les mains, les pieds balancés Sur tant de mers, tant de planchers, Un marin mort, Il dormira - Paul Éluard |
Posted By: FusionKing
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 22:27
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How do I answer this? I am not religious, I don't believe in any gods or mystycism. However, most of my beliefs about life, the universe and everything are based on quantum theory, which although in a technical sense is a science, it is at odds with your final option on the poll. This is because of the part about ...*only* scientific evidence accounts.
'Evidence accounts' implies the use of observation and measurement in order to gain a definate answer, BUT quantum theory states that nothing can be accurately measured and some things cannot be observed thus there is no definate answer to anything so I can't vote in your poll!
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Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: January 05 2010 at 02:39
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Actually, till I went here to this forum, I never believed that this religion thing is something big. I've never encountered (in my real life) anyone who believes (intentionally). People are probably hiding it or someone. That's how it should be, it's private thing after all, right ? ------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu  Even my |
Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: January 05 2010 at 02:42
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Therefore, I would rather choose another question - I practically never had chance to be believer (and OK, don't regret it, exactly as anyone who was taught opposite way in childhood - to believe), so for me it's not just scientific evidence. For me it's like (G)god, huh ? What are you talking about. ------------- There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless," -Andyman1125 on Lulu Even my |
Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: January 05 2010 at 03:02
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I realized that asking someone 'is there god or not', 'do you believe in divinity or not' is a WRONG question. It's about semantics.
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: January 05 2010 at 03:12
Seriously, this man speaks the truth. I don't think I could spend hours pondering that sort of things when I have guitars to be played, friends to hang out with, pubs to go to, films to watch, music to listen to, music to write and history to read about. |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: January 05 2010 at 04:15
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I'm not religious at all, and as far as I am, I hope to be delivered from it one day.
Anyway, the third option fits me the best: I am a christian and I take the Bible seriously. ------------- 
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 05 2010 at 04:39
You may find the Sam Harris presentation interesting ... he makes some interesting claims against the word "Atheism".
Well, I guess you can be a misanthrope with any of these options. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 05 2010 at 04:40
You posted two question ... which one do you think is wrong, and what would be the right question in your opinion? ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: January 05 2010 at 05:07
None, or both. It depends on a context. See, everything that surrounds us, the universe is a picture, a silhouette. If you believe in god, you'll see vase. If you don't you'll see two faces. In both cases, it's perception - the picture is exactly the same. Of course, if one does believe in explicit depiction of God - and old man with a beard, an elephant face with eight hands - that's another story. I don't (but I do feel some envy for those with dedication in their life, faith-wise). I'm talking about people who believe into universe as is with all the galaxies etc., but believe in divine intervention vs. people who believe in the universe, Big Bang etc. from purely scientific approach, without god. It's the same thing. Everything surrounding us is so ordinary. Everything surrounding us is a miracle. Both true. Let's say a person (an interviewer) asks me is there god or not. Let's say that person ultimately,blindly believes my statement: among all philosophers, prophets, messiahs and scientists in history, my answer is ultimate, and correct. And I give him/her the answer. The person is trembling with excitement: finally we know the truth!! And he/she asks me a lot of other questions: who, why, where, how?!?!?!? I explain. The person's reaction? Purification, epiphany, excitement, wisdom? No. The face goes down: 'Oh. I see...so that's it. well, I'm not any smarter. Things around me are the same. My perception is the same". Just be, man. It doesn't matter. I thought a lot about the subject, developed my own theories (which are right), even stripped down the very existence to the simple mathematical formula. Now I know. And I'm not any smarter. ------------- |
Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: January 05 2010 at 05:10
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I'm totally rational, and *only* scientific evidence counts I guess.
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 05 2010 at 07:56
I see. Well, I'm a naive realist on the basis of our scientific knowledge. If I see a table in my room then I have faith in that there is actually a table there, and that it doesn't only exist in my imagination ... I can touch it, I can sit at it and eat my meal, for all my intents and purposes it is there, and it is a table. Another way of putting it is that the laws of physics make sense to me, as they relate to everything that I can see. Once you go to the very small (sub-atomic) and very large (cosmic) the laws get strange and counter-intuitive, but I trust the scientific methods of making testable assumptions. As far as your questions are concerned: "is there god or not": I don't think that this question can be answered. "do you believe in divinity or not": Like you said, it depends on the semantics of the word "divinity". I believe in reason and science, and if you define divinity as the world and its laws, then you could say I believe in it. But this type of divinity is a far cry from the one of the (Mono)theistic religions. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: jampa17
Date Posted: January 05 2010 at 08:38
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Well I'm between the second and third option... but to say I'm not a fundamentalist per se, but I'm very faithful on the scripture... now... the question was "How religious are you..:??" well... I'm a catholic who goes to church every week and do most of the ritual the church have established... so... the answer is: I'm a very religious peson... ------------- |
Posted By: RoyFairbank
Date Posted: January 05 2010 at 09:58
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What kind of religious views do I have? I'm not a rationalist, I'm a dialectical materialist, read: militant atheist. Religion needs to be overthrown in the minds of men. That option wasn't on the poll, but you had violent religious fundamentalist  |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 05 2010 at 10:55
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^ I'm sorry, but it didn't occur to me. If you're really serious about this, you may be on the way to forming a religion yourself, so choice #1 might be appropriate after all. "Overthrow all religions" sounds quite like a fundamentalist dogma to me.
------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Trademark
Date Posted: January 05 2010 at 11:15
| Aww Mike don't go getting all tolerant on us. It should sound very familiar to you. You spent 10 pages or so in one of these threads advocating the exact same thing. |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 05 2010 at 11:18
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^ I remember you and others spending 10 pages or so trying to make it look like I do. There's a big difference between thinking that the world would be a better place without religions and actually taking possibly violent steps to make that happen. I've always advocated skepticism and rational thinking, and that I stand by. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: January 05 2010 at 16:15
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: January 06 2010 at 00:17
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I voted for the first option just to upset you, Mike. <3
It matters, whether you want to think about it or not. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 06 2010 at 06:20
Well, you failed to upset me. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: synthguy
Date Posted: January 07 2010 at 12:50
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Do you really care what I believe?
This is just another "soapbox" and "look how clever I am" Topic. Pedestrian. ------------- Wearing feelings on our faces when our faces took a rest... |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 07 2010 at 13:01
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^ some interesting theories here ... please do elaborate.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 07 2010 at 13:23
I used to be religious, but not extremely so. I've grown out of it though and am not going back. I don't embrace spirituality and mysticism. I do however believe in putting bombs in my underwear. Well, OK they're sort of shaped like bombs and I wouldn't want to blow them up. 
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Posted By: synthguy
Date Posted: January 07 2010 at 14:32
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mental masturbation (uncountable)
1. (slang) Engaging in intellectually stimulating conversation with little or no practical purpose. That's my theory in a nutshell. ------------- Wearing feelings on our faces when our faces took a rest... |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: January 08 2010 at 11:06
I guess that the only flaw in comparing thinking to sexual acts is that the former, by any stretch of the imagination, would not be considered a spectator sport. (and that you are clearly celibate). ------------- 
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Posted By: Citizen Erased
Date Posted: January 08 2010 at 11:19
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"I'm totally rational, and *only* scientific evidence counts" I have to say, I do find this option a little narrow minded considering how open minded many atheists claim to be. I consider the existence of God a philosophical matter, not scientific. If God is outside of time/space etc then we little humans are never going to prove his existence. It's all speculation. I personally believe in God because of my faith but I'm not going to try and prove that scientifically. Science tries to work out the "How" but my faith gives me the "Why". ------------- And lo, the mighty riffage was played and it was good
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 08 2010 at 12:07
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^ if your God is outside of time/space then you should be a Deist. This would still be totally compatible with the option you quoted, since we humans are "inside" of time/space.
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Posted By: synthguy
Date Posted: January 08 2010 at 14:59
...Very nice indeed. How did you know I was married? ------------- Wearing feelings on our faces when our faces took a rest... |