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Topic: Kid A sucks
Posted By: Alfi
Subject: Kid A sucks
Date Posted: May 20 2005 at 04:44
actually i'm quite open-minded towards experimental music but i have to say that Kid A from Radiohead is just a 'sound collection' without any musical trace. radiohead try to be experimental for the sake of experimental. 



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Posted By: Gloryscene
Date Posted: May 20 2005 at 04:53

I always say and maintain that Greenwood and Yorke are Radiohead and the other members are non existent. I struggle with Hail to the Thief and Kid A is supposed to be more far out so i haven't dared listen to it yet!

The thing I find with Radiohead is that they arent particularly interesting IMO as there are very few time signature changes. They are still a good band but just not as GREAT as some people make them out to be



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Posted By: Gloryscene
Date Posted: May 20 2005 at 05:03

Yeah but aren't Oasis prog??



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Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: May 20 2005 at 05:18
Originally posted by BELVA BELVA wrote:

Radiohead require some good musical basis to be understood.

Phew, well then thank God for the time I played "Silent Night" on a children's dulcimer back in primary school... 



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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: May 20 2005 at 05:25
Than thank good I play modern jazz at the music academy...............


Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: May 20 2005 at 05:26

Originally posted by BELVA BELVA wrote:

Than thank good I play modern jazz at the music academy...............

Then thank God I love modern jazz...



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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: May 20 2005 at 05:28
Good start playing and actually TAPING in studio. Then you'll like Radiohead more, AND YOU'LL TRASH AWAY STINKY PROG METAL


Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: May 20 2005 at 05:30

Originally posted by BELVA BELVA wrote:

Good start playing and actually TAPING in studio. Then you'll like Radiohead more, AND YOU'LL TRASH AWAY STINKY PROG METAL

Too old (25) and too busy to start playing an instrument to really get the hang of it and too old to get rid of musical tastes I've had since I was 5...

Not too old to expand on them, however... 



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Posted By: MorgothSunshine
Date Posted: May 20 2005 at 05:47

Originally posted by Alfi Alfi wrote:

actually i'm quite open-minded towards experimental music but i have to say that Kid A from Radiohead is just a 'sound collection' without any musical trace. radiohead try to be experimental for the sake of experimental. 

I completely disagree, it's one of the most interesting albums of the '90's (and Amnesiac too), absolutely original, they have well combined experimentation and commercial success!



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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: May 20 2005 at 05:59
Yes and BELVA'S forums are the best around............ check his last creattion!!!!!!!1


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: May 20 2005 at 06:03
A Flower?

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Posted By: Gloryscene
Date Posted: May 20 2005 at 07:00
Originally posted by MorgothSunshine MorgothSunshine wrote:

Originally posted by Alfi Alfi wrote:

actually i'm quite open-minded towards experimental music but i have to say that Kid A from Radiohead is just a 'sound collection' without any musical trace. radiohead try to be experimental for the sake of experimental. 

I completely disagree, it's one of the most interesting albums of the '90's (and Amnesiac too), absolutely original, they have well combined experimentation and commercial success!

i have disagree there Vapour Trails was one of the best prog albums of the 90's - tracks like ghostrider blow my head off!! Not literally though!



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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: May 20 2005 at 08:05

Originally posted by Alfi Alfi wrote:

actually i'm quite open-minded towards experimental music but i have to say that Kid A from Radiohead is just a 'sound collection' without any musical trace.

There's plenty of great musicality in there - you just haven't got it yet. You obviously haven't heard real experimental stuff like the work of the composers Karlheinz Stockhausen, Arnold Schoenberg or Harrison Birtwhistle.

 

radiohead try to be experimental for the sake of experimental. 

That's a stinky generalisation - and not true. It's very experimental, but they created the music they wanted to create - as I said, you just don't understand it.

All this nonsense about time changes being the only thing that's interesting is codswallop. Interest is where you find it. If you don't find it here, move on and come back later!

 

"...We kill what we fear and we fear what we don't understand..." (Genesis).



Posted By: KeyserSoze
Date Posted: May 20 2005 at 09:59
Oh well, the whole thing Radiohead sucks IMO


Posted By: Heptade
Date Posted: May 20 2005 at 10:32
I hope Kid A bashers don't like Faust, because that's pretty much the
template for what Radiohead did on those two albums. Radiohead seems
to polarize people around here, but the fact that there are progressive
influences on their music is undeniable.

Anyway, I like Kid A just fine. Kudos to any band that goes from a silly
pop tune like "Creep" to forging a genuine musical identity in just a few
years, whether its your cup of tea or not.



Posted By: richardh
Date Posted: May 20 2005 at 10:47
I like Kid A although generally I don't like ''experimental music''.This album though does it for me.If it's not your cup of tea then fine but I don't hear too many mainstream artists taking risks like Radiohead did with this album.Kudos to them for producing something that is both musically coherent and ORIGINAL.


Posted By: yarstruly
Date Posted: May 20 2005 at 11:00
I have yet to hear anything by them that has made me want to hear more....what do you recomment to a Yes/Rush/Kansas/ Early Genesis-type prog fan?

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Posted By: Gloryscene
Date Posted: May 20 2005 at 11:27
Originally posted by Certif1ed Certif1ed wrote:

Originally posted by Alfi Alfi wrote:

actually i'm quite open-minded towards experimental music but i have to say that Kid A from Radiohead is just a 'sound collection' without any musical trace.

There's plenty of great musicality in there - you just haven't got it yet. You obviously haven't heard real experimental stuff like the work of the composers Karlheinz Stockhausen, Arnold Schoenberg or Harrison Birtwhistle.

 

radiohead try to be experimental for the sake of experimental. 

That's a stinky generalisation - and not true. It's very experimental, but they created the music they wanted to create - as I said, you just don't understand it.

All this nonsense about time changes being the only thing that's interesting is codswallop. Interest is where you find it. If you don't find it here, move on and come back later!

 

"...We kill what we fear and we fear what we don't understand..." (Genesis).

Well personally when a drummer sits there and doesn't utilise the whole kit and sticks to a straight beat of 4/4 the whole time it bores me! But there you go it is all a matter of OPINION!

 I truly wouldn't come back later to Radiohead unless someone paid me a load of money and they are thoroughly depressing! 



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Posted By: KeyserSoze
Date Posted: May 20 2005 at 11:27

Originally posted by yarstruly yarstruly wrote:

I have yet to hear anything by them that has made me want to hear more....what do you recomment to a Yes/Rush/Kansas/ Early Genesis-type prog fan?

In that case I just recommend to avoid them



Posted By: FloydWright
Date Posted: May 20 2005 at 11:27
So time-signature changes are the only thing that can possibly make music interesting? I'm sorry, that's absolutey ridiculous and somehow I doubt even you can truly mean that in all its implications.

In many places, Kid A IS a more atmospheric album than anything, but that does not automatically make it "bad"--it just means you don't like more ambient types of music.

I think a lot of people around here need to figure out that an album is not always "bad" just because it doesn't suit their taste, AND that others who genuinely LIKE something that you don't are not lesser proggers than you are. This attitude is extremely pompous and tiring to see over and over again. I don't care for the Radiohead trashing OR the progmetal trashing. I like both and frankly, I think some people do it here just for the sake of looking cool in front of everybody else. Others may have a genuine dislike but find the most obnoxious ways to express it.


Posted By: Heptade
Date Posted: May 20 2005 at 12:16
Exactly. The prog umbrella seems pretty big (at least on this site). There
are bound to be differences of opinion, but one man's trash is another
man's treasure. Try to understand and tolerate that other man! I don't
personally like prog-metal (still stuck on Maiden!), so I don't comment on
it- why should I? To denigrate someone else's tastes? What kind of person
am I if I enjoy doing that?

That's not directed at anyone in particular...

And yarstruly, given your tastes, I'm not sure Radiohead's for you,
although OK Computer is very cinematic in scope and atmospheric, and
has some good melodies on it. You could try that one.

Oh yeah and there is NO best band ever...that's subjective. All great
bands put out a crap album or two if they're around long enough.


Posted By: Fantômas
Date Posted: May 20 2005 at 13:44
Kid Alfi sucks. 

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Posted By: FloydWright
Date Posted: May 20 2005 at 14:26
Heptade--From a prog-metal fan, that's a good attitude and I respect it. I'd be glad if there were many more of you on this site.

There are genres of prog that I don't like, but I hold back my comments because I know the fans of those genres wouldn't appreciate it if I ripped into them. In fact, I've actually tried to keep quiet which genres those are.


Posted By: Heptade
Date Posted: May 20 2005 at 16:25
Likewise, FloydWright

Unfortunately, as Grandma used to say, "It takes all
types to make a world." Courtesy is not necessarily
the rule, especially in the anonymity of cyberspace.
It's like driving, people's jerk tendencies come out
when there's some metal between you and them.

BTW, speaking of prog metal, is Pain of Salvation
any good?...I've feared it might be cheeze or overly
pompous or pretentious...is it worth a shot?
Samples just don't give me a feel for it.


Posted By: Fantômas
Date Posted: May 20 2005 at 16:57
Pain Of Salvation suffers from the same thing that DT does. The excess of "Genesis-esque" and "Yes-esque" passages. Not that cheesy at all. Worth checkin if you're in Prog Metal. 

Instead, I would recommend Kaada and Patton album, if you like beautiful songs. Fantastic!


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Posted By: FloydWright
Date Posted: May 20 2005 at 23:15
I can't give an opinion about Pain of Salvation since I haven't tried their music for myself; sorry.


Posted By: Spanky
Date Posted: May 21 2005 at 09:57
Radiohead sucks.  There, I said it.

Pain of Salvation sucks.  There, I said it.

Kaada/Patton was an interesting project and had more variation than anything I have ever heard from the other two bands that I said suck. 


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Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: May 22 2005 at 15:32

Is it just me or has the level of intelligence on this forum dropped significantly recently?

And the really stupid ones say things like the title of this thread.

What are you trying to prove? What point are you trying to make?

Who cares that you don't like a particular band or album - especially when you can't even justify why that should be except in pathetic terms like "Dude, they're boring".

This is just low grade trolling, IMO.

 



Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: May 22 2005 at 15:38
I agree with Cert...there isnt even an attempt at humour.Dead


Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: May 22 2005 at 15:45

Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

I agree with Cert...there isnt even an attempt at humour.Dead

mea culpa



Posted By: tuxon
Date Posted: May 22 2005 at 20:32
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Posted By: Paradox
Date Posted: May 25 2005 at 16:26
Kid A is a brilliant album. It's been growing on me a lot recently after repeated listenings with friends (maybe thats why...). The more I've listened the more I have appriciated it.



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