The Flaming Lips
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Forum Description: Suggest, create polls, and classify new bands you would like included on Prog Archives
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Topic: The Flaming Lips
Posted By: Manuelmoreno
Subject: The Flaming Lips
Date Posted: November 24 2009 at 15:18
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The Flaming Lips, why they aren't here? They're so experimental I can't believe it. Really, I want to know why there are no Lips here  |
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: November 24 2009 at 15:21
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There have been a few threads discussing them before. Here is a rather lengthy one that you might want to look at. http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=16028&KW=flaming+lips&PID=1788519#1788519 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=16028&KW=flaming+lips&PID=1788519#1788519
I'm not familiar enough with them to have an opinion either way. ------------- 
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: November 24 2009 at 15:25
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I have a copy of their album Yoshimi Battles The Pink Robots which I got as a gift, but I thought it was god-awful uneventful and boring
I'm only judging from that disc, but I'd have to say maybe - It seems to be more alt. rock with some slight prog influences and tendencies, although its obviously hard to judge from one album. It depends on how progressive the rest of their albums are. ------------- 
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: November 24 2009 at 15:31
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Dude that is like listening to Invisible Touch or Big Generator and saying that Genesis and Yes aren't prog and don't belong here. A band with as many albums as the Flaming Lips can't be judged on one album alone. -------------
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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: November 24 2009 at 15:33
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Their newest album definitely seems to have some influence from Krautrock in it.
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Posted By: Manuelmoreno
Date Posted: November 24 2009 at 15:35
| Everybody in this prog community should listen to Embryonic (2009). Fantastic music, experimental, catchy and very very proggie... well, at least to my ears. You should give it a chance. |
Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: November 24 2009 at 15:36
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I don't know anything about the band other than that album, and I don't know how extensive their discography is. I've read that it is meant to be their best album, so I thought that would be a good source to make a judgement from. If I'm wrong, I completely retract my statement, although as I said, I am judging from that album alone. -------------
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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: November 24 2009 at 15:41
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I like Embryonic a lot better than Yoshimi. I didn't like much of their earlier material, but I heard Embryonic at a friend's and really liked it.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: November 24 2009 at 15:44
I'm listening to music from Embryonic off the myspace, and I am impressed: http://www.myspace.com/flaminglips - http://www.myspace.com/flaminglips Before that I only knew music of theirs from Zaireeka and The Soft Bulletin. Interesting stuff, and definitely one to seriously consider (especially now with that 2009 release). |
Manuelmoreno wrote:Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: November 24 2009 at 16:17
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I agree they're worthy of consideration, but I'm not sure where I would say...maybe krautrock or prog-related? They've definitely got the experimental bit down, toying with electronics and all.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: November 24 2009 at 16:19
| I think it could be considered for Crossover. |
Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: November 24 2009 at 16:20
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Ah yeah, I always forget about Crossover.
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Posted By: Manuelmoreno
Date Posted: December 03 2009 at 07:55
| Is there any procedure to add new bands to the archives? As you can see I'm relatively new here, how can I "officially" submit a candidature for the Lips, if there is such thing? |
Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: December 03 2009 at 08:22
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If you think they would fit in Crossover, just edit your post headline and include the the word crossover to attract the attention of the crossover team like this:
The Flaming Lips for crossover.
And welcome to PA BTW. ------------- http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/" rel="nofollow - Metal Music Archives https://rateyourmusic.com/~UMUR" rel="nofollow - UMUR on RYM |
Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: December 03 2009 at 09:28
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Checking out their MySpace samples now - think psych ought to have a first dibs on this one. I can see the crossover references, to some extent the kraut as well, but my main impression is psych on the stuff streaming there. So I'll send them over to the psych team for starters :-) ------------- Websites I work with: http://www.progressor.net http://www.houseofprog.com My profile on Mixcloud: https://www.mixcloud.com/haukevind/ |
Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: December 03 2009 at 09:46
The Soft Bulletin -
Yoshimi battles the Pink Robots
At War with the Mystics
Embryonic
If though there is an overall argument against them perhaps it would be because they are also Alternative/Indie.....but their experimentation of sound and general fit for crossover could be a possibility. ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: December 03 2009 at 11:42
The Flaming Lips have done no concept albums, though Zaireeka is a novel concept.  Just as Yoshimi is a meditation on death (and science, humanity, and the future) In a Priest-Driven Ambulance is a meditation on religion, spirituality, and humanism. They're not really concept albums, though. I thought The Lips would be suggested again after Embryonic. I wasn't going to be the one to do it, though. At least some people would discover them if they were added here... ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: December 03 2009 at 11:55
^ Not sure I agree with you that they have done no concept albums...respect your opinion however ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: December 03 2009 at 12:00
I suppose people ask what's a concept album a lot now don't they? 
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: December 03 2009 at 12:02
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There are some prog parts that people could use to convert the whole respective album in something linked to prog, after which applying the "prog(gy/ressive/ish))album and they must be in" logic can effortlessly lead to the addition taking place. ------------- 
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Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: December 04 2009 at 03:50
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Posted By: Manuelmoreno
Date Posted: December 04 2009 at 08:22
I'm very happy to hear that |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: December 04 2009 at 08:43
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Please note that before 1997, the Flaming Lips released at least 6 full length albums that have very little to no prog aspects to them. Since 1997, they've released 5 albums, 4 of which have a lot of progressive aspects. Most of their albums are undoubtedly NOT PROG. I hope we keep that in mind when considering them for addition to a main subgenre here.  ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: December 04 2009 at 08:58
Well, there's the usual one album and they should be in rule to consider as well. And we have a fair few bands here most known for their non-prog albums, and arguably with an overweight of those in their discography too. Phil Collins and his pop trio for starters ;-) ------------- Websites I work with: http://www.progressor.net http://www.houseofprog.com My profile on Mixcloud: https://www.mixcloud.com/haukevind/ |
Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: December 04 2009 at 10:00
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Flaming Lips are more prog then most Electro/Krautrock bands are. I would love to see them on here. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/cozfunkel/" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: December 04 2009 at 14:50
| I've just listened to Embryonic and I say it should definitely featured on PA, most likely there where one can also find Radiohead or Mew: Crossover. |
Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: January 02 2010 at 04:10
Any news? 
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Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: January 04 2010 at 20:44
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Sorry for our belated judgment and action but I think very very hard to classify them... Sooner I'll listen to Embryonic so let me take time for consideration. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/damoxt7942" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: January 09 2010 at 16:38
Maybe they should fit a ' controversial' decision for Crossover. Would have to see what Dean thinks. A Yes from me  ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: January 20 2010 at 00:56
Now both of my laptops (office- and home- ) are in hospital  , therefore I'll carry on after celebrating their recovery.  I've listened to Embryonic and felt very Kraut-ish taste. One of my favourite albums in 2009/2010.  And simultaneously they are under evals by Prog-Related (Admin) Team. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/damoxt7942" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: January 22 2010 at 01:36
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The Flaming Lips definitely deserve a place on Progarchives. After all, Radiohead is here, and Radiohead's first few albums (Pablo Honey and The Bends) were not prog. The Flaming Lips' "Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots," "At War with the Mystics," and "Embryonic" are all prog-related crossover albums, in the very best sense. (And "The Soft Bulletin" is a brilliant album in "The Bends" vein - a collection of great tunes that sound best in the context of the album.)
I'd also love to see Spacemen 3 and Spiritualized on this site.
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Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: January 22 2010 at 01:44
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2 things I forgot to mention: their album "Zaireeka" would also qualify as prog crossover; secondly, the Flaming Lips just released a version of Pink Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon." http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/13836-the-dark-side-of-the-moon/ - http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/13836-the-dark-side-of-the-moon/
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Posted By: nuuskis
Date Posted: February 03 2010 at 07:50
| Bump. |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: February 28 2010 at 07:14
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Posted By: Rivertree
Date Posted: February 28 2010 at 07:25
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Yeah, I know - easy credit for Embryonic .. certainly a prog album with krautrock leanings .. we have to take time to listen to the other stuff ... not a desired candiate as for the time-consuming aspect ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Rivertree" rel="nofollow">  |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: February 28 2010 at 07:32
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I'm slowly taking a journey back to FL's earlier outputs. Based so far on the Soft Bulletin - Embryonic interval, I couldn't really agree to the idea that FL are a prog band. Embryonic has a lot of things that could be credited under prog, then again I'm not a supporter of the "one prog album and they're in" train of thought (for bands with a consistent trail of non-prog works, of course). -------------
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: February 28 2010 at 07:40
I've noticed this as a general trend, and it feels wrong to me  This was supposed to be the most inclusive archive for it's niche... |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: February 28 2010 at 07:52
I agree with you, but unfortunately the 'whole discography' policy works against the inclusion of bands or artists that have released only one prog album - at least nowadays. In the past, the criteria were much looser, and this is why there are some entries in the database that often raise people's eyebrows. Some of us Collabs have suggested implementing a 'one-album' category for such cases, but to no avail. |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: February 28 2010 at 08:08
I agree it's a thing of policy. I'd love myself to focus on how prog-oriented music suddenly shows itself in an artist's work and conception, but in this case, two major questions - "what am I to say of the artist's other input" (given that they're not prog) and "what am I to say about the artist himself, from a prog point of view" (given that making something prog or prog-like could many times be a simple "happening") - seem to burden the merit given to just a particular case of prog-making. -------------
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: April 25 2010 at 15:18
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I've just read that people are picking on FL because they covered Pink Floyd. So if they are discredited in the press, that must surely mean they've turned in the "right" direction
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Posted By: Manuelmoreno
Date Posted: June 15 2010 at 16:54
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This weekend I had the opportunity to listen the Flaming Lips' complete version of Dark Side of the Moon. Again that makes me wonder, why aren't the Lips considered to be listed on this wonderful site? This is a fine interpretation of a timeless classic: every prog fan in the world should listen this great piece of music. Anyway, Please don't miss this! |
Posted By: MusicForSpeedin
Date Posted: June 15 2010 at 19:35
The flaming lips transcend prog. 
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Posted By: Falx
Date Posted: June 16 2010 at 01:48
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I have Yoshimi Battles The Pink Robots, it's one of my favourite albums =F= ------------- "You must go beyond the limit of the limit of your limits!" - Mr. Doctor "It is our duty as men and women to proceed as though the limits of our abilities do not exist." - Pierre Teilhard de Chardin |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: June 16 2010 at 02:48
| They are currently being evaluated, so be patient, young Padawan. |
Posted By: idiotPrayer
Date Posted: June 16 2010 at 04:46
it's a wonderful album, i like how it's not too samey to the original. by the way it's not just flaming lips it's them and another band called stardeath and white dwarfs. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 16 2010 at 12:52
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I was really impressed with Embryonic. I will merge this topic (has to be done post by post) with the last one since it's better to keep to one suggestion thread if possible (multiple open threads on the same subject in the same forum are discouraged). Manuel, it would have been better to bump your old topic. EDIT: merged. |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: June 16 2010 at 13:05
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Prog related at best. If the band Started in 1997 with Zaireeka, it would be easy to say they're prog related. Turns out that most of their albums are weird alternative rock and nothing more in the way of prog.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 16 2010 at 13:34
I'm no Flaming Lips expert, but would have thought based on Embryonic, Zaireeka, and The Soft Bulletin
that there was a significant musical case for the band in PA. I think
it matters more where the band ended up in this case than where it
started -- and I prefer to evaluate PA value based on individual albums than whole careers anyway. Prog-Related has its own way of operating, but I really thought that the band had Crossover Prog merit (and it's often said that if at least one album is appropriate, then the band should not be excluded -- that's my view, but others look at it differently). |
Posted By: Conor Fynes
Date Posted: June 16 2010 at 14:41
| Havent heard them at all, so I can't have a personal opinion but I've been hearing alot of things about them being 'new prog' so there must be something there... |
Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: June 16 2010 at 18:57
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They already have been evaluated and rejected by Psych / Space, Kraut, and Crossover. Now maybe under evaluation in Prog-Related (Admin) Section. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/damoxt7942" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Conor Fynes
Date Posted: June 17 2010 at 19:28
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Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: June 17 2010 at 21:38
Don't you think you are being totalitarian with your comments? So you didn't like it; that's fine. A helluva lot of people loved it, and it was named as one of the best albums of the year by many publications and readers alike. I'd guess that you probably aren't a big fan of Miles Davis' "In a Silent Way" and "Bitches Brew," nor of Can's albums such as "Tago Mago" and "Ege Bamyasi"; inscrutable weirdness like Syd Barrett's work; or sprawling lofi monsters like Guided by Voices' "Bee Thousand." The album is nearly a homage to late-60s early 70s psychedelia. I suspect that the Flaming Lips are drawing from an entire range of influences that don't float your boat. The sound of "garbage" that you dismiss is a musical aesthetic welcome by many and explored by bands from the Velvent Underground to the Birthday Party to Sonic Youth, My Bloody Valentine, and so on.
The Lips' next move was to re-make Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon." However, as some critics have noted, the Lips were at their most "Floydian" during their previous phase, with "Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots" (a masterpiece, alone with "The Soft Bulletin"), "At War with the Mystics" (not a masterpiece), and the ambient, Eno-like soundtrack "Christmas On Mars."
It's not my favorite Lips album, I don't put it on that often, but I'll defend peoples' right to love the album, and I do believe it's a work of art.
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Posted By: CinemaZebra
Date Posted: June 18 2010 at 00:05
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YES ADD THEM NOW They had a concept album called "Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots" and most of you already know that! What other genre besides prog accepts a concept album with that kind of title?! ------------- 
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Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: June 18 2010 at 00:10
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^^ Come on comparing FL to Floyd just because they played DSOTM is hilarious. I love FL but I do accept the overall view that now just maybe they will be considered for Prog Related ( as per Mercury Rev)
To me At War With The Mystics and Embryonic are now more prog related than their psychedielic predecessors which at one time I felt filled the Xover niche.
So to support Jude111 , CF to dismiss their material as garbage from a one night library stand is a bit unfair too ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Textbook
Date Posted: June 18 2010 at 00:11
| You're all forgetting the four disc album they made where you were supposed to get four stereoes and play all four discs simultaneously. TAKE THAT, DARK SIDE OF THE MOON/WIZARD OF OZ SYNC-UP! |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: June 18 2010 at 00:18
I'm not, and it's easily their most progressive styled album too. Yoshimi has prog flourishes, At War With the Mystics has a few prog songs, and Embryonic does to and with a psychedelic prog aesthetics, but IMO it doesn't outweigh how very unprog they were from 83-96. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Conor Fynes
Date Posted: June 18 2010 at 00:24
I definately think the band should be added because they're doing stuff that most other bands aren't doing, but that doesn't mean I have to enjoy it. I'm just saying it was a real, real chore to get through the entire thing.
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Posted By: MusicForSpeedin
Date Posted: June 18 2010 at 02:28
This song makes me always feel better.
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Posted By: Conor Fynes
Date Posted: June 18 2010 at 03:27
| Hey MusicForSpeedin, I'll take that into mind. I've been told their sound varies alot, so I'm going to take your advice and check out some of their earlier stuff. Hell, maybe a few more listens to Embryonic might lend a bit more apprecation for it. |
Posted By: Desoc
Date Posted: June 18 2010 at 05:47
I thought there was a rule saying that one prog album is sufficient?
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: June 18 2010 at 05:49
Yes, but they also enter in the "controversial additions" rule too. |
Posted By: Manuelmoreno
Date Posted: June 18 2010 at 16:47
Roger |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: June 18 2010 at 16:49
Maybe there is, but I first listen to the rule in my brain telling me to disregard really dumb rules like that. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 18 2010 at 19:23
A number of suggestions have been nixed, or haven't gone anywhere, because of complete discography issues (concerns about that). I don't think it's a set rule. People disagree on that issue. I'm in the one "prog" album should suffice camp, but would like to see an album, rather than band-based category, for ones with very limited prog albums in extensive discographies (those that are excluded because of complete discography issues). I think it's good to strive to be as complete a database of prog albums as possible (and I don't think of bands as prog per se. It's the band' albums/ music that count/s). A problem with, say, a sole prog album based category (or ones with only two out of many) is that people will disagree about excluding other albums and a band may release more so-called prog albums in the future; however, I think that if it's determined that the band has released more prog albums then a new entry is created in a Prog "genre" category, which includes the bio, and the album is then removed from the album based category which would work similar to the Various Artists category. Whether Flaming Lips shpould be here or not, I really disagree with the idea of disallowing a band entry primarily because of the music it made during the first half (or so) of its career. Like I said before, I think in this case it's far more important where the band ended up. For that matter, I wouldn't exclude bands that started prog but quickly turned pop, or ones that did, say, progressive jazz, turned progressive JRF, then turned soul. |
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: June 18 2010 at 20:24
A case in point....
This is precisely why I was totally against Dragon being here. Flaming Lips are way more progressive than Dragon who released one or 2 prog albums than everything after was totally pop and Australians will tell you that if you mention Dragon. Australians or New Zealanders would laugh at the suggestion of Dragon being prog. I could not convince them by telling them about the two 70s albums they released as it was evident that every band in the 70s were churning out that stuff as it was a time of experimentation and music was at its most progressive - the 70s was th egolden era of prog, look at the albums from artists. Many Australian or NZ bands were progressive sounding and yet they will never be here on PA because the bulk of their material is pop. I agree with that. I was surprised at Split Enz being here. But they did release 2 very proggy albums again.
So with Flaming Lips, altho I listened to their 'Pink Robots' album and did not like it, I can see it was a concept album with proggy moments. Their other output is not conceptual until we get to Embryonic and some recent material. They are worth considering for those albums.
I have been thinking about this 'only one prog album' rule and am wondering if it were possible to have a section for one off prog albums, or prog albums from non prog artists. I think the prog mag does this in "its prog Jim but not as we know it", and its worth checking out those albums. Even a section with prog albums from non prog artists would make a difference so those Dragon albums could easily be there, the Flaming Lips or Smashing Pumpkins, Kiss "The Elder", some of the proggy stuff from Australian 70s might be included. That way any one who is suggesting a band just cos of one prog album could be included. It would make an interesting discussion point, but at least these prog albums could be reviewed and be recognised and it would mean this is definitely THE place to come to find EVERY prog album on the planet.
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: June 18 2010 at 21:13
I agree with that, and I actually would support the inclusion of any band if they cut a fully prog album, or even more so followed it with a second or third prog album. The problem if The Flaming Lips did not do that. I even overstated how prog Zaireeka is. It's very jazzy at times, and even trolls the listener with its obscure weirdness, but I would have to shudder to say it's a "prog album." Then, right after that album, they cut The Soft Bulletin, which is a completely pop album. A symphonic one, a modern day beach boys, but it's a pop album. Then Yoshimi combined the symphonic pop with glitchy, electronic aspects, which I'm still not sure I'd call prog even on "Approaching Pavonis Mons" or "In the Morning of the Magicians." At War with the Mystics had a couple more clear cut prog moments (second half of "It Overtakes Me," "Pompeii Am Gotterdamrung," "The Magician Turns On...") but it's hard to say whether it's any sort of prog when it shares just as many similarities with jazz and space pop (which I think is a somewhat recognized genre). And then there's Embryonic. Whatever that is. You could take all of the songs in the Lips' career that have fairly significantly "prog rock"-styled music and fit them all on to one album, unless the psychedelia of Embryonic is confused with prog. And somehow 1 decently prog album out of 11 doesn't make sense to me for their inclusion. Plus I honestly don't want to see the Lips' back catelog mangled in reviews by people who were expecting something even close to prog. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 19 2010 at 14:13
Interesting thoughts, and you might to share some of them in this topic. I haven't given up on the idea of an album based category (we already have an album based category with Various Artists): http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=55576 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=55576 I've talked about it in some other topics too, which I can't find, but there are many that could be included in such a category: William Sheller's Lux Aeterna, Donald Byrd's Electric Byrd and a whole host of ones I'm forgetting. Jean Claude Vannier was another candidate but I added him to Eclectic. Perhaps Serge Gainsbourg and others.... Bob James, though I think he had various albums suitable for JRF, would be another to include because of concerns about complete discography. Dittoi for Herbie Mann.... There are a lot of examples in JRF because many "hopped" on the progressive Fusion bandwagon for a time. Manset who is in Prog-Related because of concerns about the complete discography could have been respresented ina true Prog album category. One thing that I differ on, though I understand the idea, is that I don't think of artists as being Prog but instead albums, and music itself. Many artists in Prog categories made prog and non-prog music (or as I now wnat to call it, progum (i.e. prog umbrella music) and non-progum as well as progum-related music. Question of quantity, but I just don't like to think of artists themselves as prog or non-prog, but instead particular music that was created by the artists (or periods of the artists). I find simpler to think of music istelf as prog and not artists, and it can cause confusion when one refers to an artist itself as prog that made non-prog albums. For example, "Genesis is Prog." "No, Genesis is Pop". "You must not have listened to the right Genesis, cause it's Prog" "No, you must not have listened to the right Genesis, cause its Pop".
I understand now. Thanks. |
Posted By: Gordy
Date Posted: May 18 2013 at 00:33
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So: in the interim since "Embryonic" was released, they've done a number of collaborations, put out some EPs encased in skulls and fetuses made of gummy bear, and these: "I Found a Star on the Ground" (note this song is six hours) "7 Skies H3" (note this song is twenty-four hours) "The Terror" They continue pursuing the krautrock elements introduced in "Embryonic;" I've never heard them sound more like Can. Also, did I mention the six- and day-long tracks? |
Posted By: jude111
Date Posted: May 18 2013 at 00:55
Don't forget, they've also did a cover album of Dark Side of the Moon, and another of In the Court of the Crimson King.
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Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: May 18 2013 at 02:31
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Yes.......I really do believe FL have earned a place in crossover. They are getting more prog each year :-) ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: katatonia
Date Posted: June 21 2015 at 15:42
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isn't it enough for an evoluted band to be added as crossover? listen to this and be sure lovely ep
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Posted By: katatonia
Date Posted: June 21 2015 at 15:45
they're getting proggier everyday while we just sit and wonder 
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