Death Metal Bds withan Vocallists who Don't Sing
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Topic: Death Metal Bds withan Vocallists who Don't Sing
Posted By: dougiezerts
Subject: Death Metal Bds withan Vocallists who Don't Sing
Date Posted: September 17 2009 at 18:56
| Do you REALLY enjoy listenning to death/black metal bands with vocallists who croak, belch, scream, and do everything but sing tunefully? |
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: September 17 2009 at 19:08
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Yes. Check out my signature. To be honest, I don't like extreme death metal, but melodic death metal and progressive death metal bands usually appeal to me. ------------- 
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Posted By: dougiezerts
Date Posted: September 17 2009 at 19:10
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I'm sorry, perhaps I should have made my point a bit clearer.
I was refering to the vocals in these bands, not the music itself.
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: September 17 2009 at 19:21
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I doubt I would listen to death metal even if growls didn't make me laugh. So I guess I don't care. I should add that I see no inherent value in "tuneful" singing. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: September 17 2009 at 19:31
^It's actually difficult that you find anything with inherent value Henry 
I love growling when it's done right. Very low, guttural, evil... not the yelling screams of metalcore and related styles.... ------------- 
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: September 17 2009 at 19:36
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^^ I like some higher growls with some bands. Chuck Schuldiner's growls on Symbolic are AWESOME, and they are not low at all. However, i usually agree with you.
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Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: September 17 2009 at 21:02
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Deep growls are excellent. I find them to be one of the best ways to create a harsh wave of sound for the listener. I'm not really a fan of black vocals, but the music that accompanies it tends to be excellent. Screams a la metalcore are generally the same, except they tend to lack the good music portion. ------------- 
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Posted By: King Crimson776
Date Posted: September 18 2009 at 03:13
| I like Death despite the vocals, but Shuldiner's pained howls are kind of cool... I suppose, other bands like Opeth and Cynic which mix growls and clean vocals are good but I would never listen to the sh*t that is pure growling and no music. |
Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: September 18 2009 at 03:51
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Growls/ rasps/ screams are a big part of extreme metal and are meant to convey extreme emotions. Without extreme vocals the music just wouldnīt be the same. Iīve had periods of my life when I didnīt really enjoy extreme vocals, but I guess I must have missed them because after each period ( short or lenghty) of not listening to music with extreme vocals I always return for more. ------------- http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/" rel="nofollow - Metal Music Archives https://rateyourmusic.com/~UMUR" rel="nofollow - UMUR on RYM |
Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: September 18 2009 at 05:26
Wow, I've never known this even exists. Some DM vocalist's solo project with no instrumentalists involved? Now that is extreme. ------------- http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=42652" rel="nofollow - It's on PA! 
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King Crimson776 wrote:Posted By: avestin
Date Posted: September 18 2009 at 06:56
Yes I REALLY enjoy listening to metal bands with growls, shrieks, screams and any other form of voice. It sounds like I'm being accused of something here... Does that REALLY offend/bother you that people like them? I also REALLY enjoy any other type of vocals. It's individual singer, growlers etc. that I might dislike. There are some vocalists with clear/soft voice that I really dislike, as there are some growlers/shrieks. ------------- http://hangingsounds.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow - Hanging Sounds http://www.progarchives.com/ProgRockShopping.asp" rel="nofollow - PA Index of prog music vendors |
Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: September 18 2009 at 12:20
Depends who;s growling really. I can just about tolerate Piotr Wiwczarek from Vade, but I can't even listen to a word of Tomas Haake's vocals  They just irritate me. But I could listen to the pair of growlers from Nile all day long, they have such good tone.
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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: September 18 2009 at 12:29
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Harsh vocals are used throughout metal these days, and occasionally it works very well for me, as on Indukti's Idmen or Unexpect's In a Flesh Acquarium. As someone else said, I like them best when they are used as a way to express one set of feelings in a music that has a range of feeling, and there for a range of vocal tonalities. I frankly think some harsh vocals sound awful and don't fit the music at all. There are sadly many bands that I get really excited about until vocals come in (that means you Intronaut.) ------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: September 18 2009 at 13:33
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What I noticed in a few metal bands is rather the unability of some singers to really sing low. Napalm Death's Mark Greenaway is unattackable, just as Karl Willet or Martin van Drunen in Bolt Thrower or Angela Gossow. But I often heard some amateurs in the field of deep vocals, forcing their mouth, maybe their throat, yet sounding weak and feeble. |
Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: September 19 2009 at 06:25
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YES, GROWLING IS PROG I enjoy some death/black but not the very extreme forms |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: September 19 2009 at 11:25
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I honestly laugh whenever somebody complains about extreme vocals. If you just don't enjoy it that's one thing, but to claim it as some abberant music fad which will soon descend into musical hell it crawled out of, that's just ridiculous. It's like saying "I would like the Rite of Spring if Stravinsky just would use the strings 'tunefully'." ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: September 19 2009 at 11:29
Amen, brother. |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: September 19 2009 at 15:20
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Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: September 19 2009 at 15:44
| Usualy I like death metal, not black metal only fiew bands here and there. Death metal if is sing and played from the soul , with open mind and pleasure is awesome. Doesn't bother me extrem vocals at all. Each vocalist has his own range for ex, I like Schuldiners voice , but I also like Bolt Thrower voice aswell, rough ,deep very death, and also Carcass kind of vocals, diffrent from Bolt or Death or others but still death. Anyway one of the best death vocalist I ever heard is from Disincarnate (James Murphy band) - his name is Bryan Cegon - simply amazing . |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: September 19 2009 at 17:40
I agree this time, too.
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Posted By: TheCaptain
Date Posted: September 19 2009 at 22:09
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I don't like those types of vocals at all. I've tried to expand my horizons and at least be comfortable with the Tech/Extreme sub-genre but the growls that frequently accompany the music is unbearable to me despite the hours I have tried to acquire the taste. I can't fathom how that sound is pleasant to any ears but I really don't care if other people like it. So while I would undoubtedly like the music better without the vocals, I can't imagine ever wanting to listen to such music so my vote goes to the final option. ------------- Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal. |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: September 20 2009 at 06:35
^^ Opeth's Watershed might help
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Posted By: Jake Kobrin
Date Posted: September 20 2009 at 14:41
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It truly is an acquired taste. Some vocals of the nature can be appropriate and superior to "clean" singing in the context while other times they can seem fairly out of place. I used to hate the vocals and in fact the first time I ever heard Mastodon I dismissed them for absolute garbage because of their singing styles. Over the years I've grown to respect the style of vocalization as much as singing. People must understand that is NOT singing, but rather an entirely different utilization of voice. There are times were the emotion, brutality, and darkness can be conveyed more thoroughly with these vocals than singing. Some examples of bands that would be entirely different (worse) with sung vocals: (However, it would be appropriate for Meshuggah to be instrumental or to perhaps have a second drummer. They use their singer as a percussion instrument, I kid you not, and it adds to the rhythmic insanity.) ------------- http://www.facebook.com/pages/Dr-Neil-Kobrin/244687105562746" rel="nofollow - SUPPORT MY FATHER AND BECOME A FAN Jacob Kobrin Illustration |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: September 21 2009 at 02:10
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I think at least 15 of the top 50 bands, if not more in my last FM profile have death growl vocals.
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: September 25 2009 at 14:10
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Of course, it kind of goes with the territory. People who don't like/listen to that type of music may find this tough to believe: But all growls/screaming whatever are NOT the same. Some I like, some I don't Depends how it's done, how fitting it is of the music, etc If done really well it can be the perfect compliment for the music |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: September 25 2009 at 15:34
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^^ Definitely. When done correctly and at the right times, they really add a lot to the music.
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Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: September 26 2009 at 00:25
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I've been thinking, do we really need more melody in music? Melody and harmonies have taken the most important job of music for centuries. Why not an atonal sound made by the voice take the forefront? -------------
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Posted By: AlbertMond
Date Posted: September 26 2009 at 01:33
Agreed. Metalcore singers just don't get it. ------------- Promotion so blatant that it's sad: 
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: September 26 2009 at 07:32
Wait, hold on! I'm not that big of a metalcore fan, but don't put all of the metalcore vocalists in the whole world under one category. While many metalcore vocals do not impress me, there are some great vocalists in the genre. -Jeff -------------
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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: September 26 2009 at 13:01
Could we quote iwrestedabearonce's Krysta Cameron? Yes, this band is not 100% metalcore, yet this genre may be their main influence. |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: September 26 2009 at 17:29
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: September 28 2009 at 20:26
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I prefer Black and Metalcore screams to the deeper Death growls. I don't see why growls should have to be any more homogenous than clean singing. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Repner
Date Posted: October 05 2009 at 23:01
They have belching bands? Wow. Has that been done yet? And if not, can I be the first?  ------------- 
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Posted By: npjnpj
Date Posted: October 06 2009 at 07:08
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Using growls to emphasise a point can be very expressive, but growls just for their own sake just seems daft. Like making the same point over and over again. Just sounds stupid.
When using a growling voice as an instrument ALL THE TIME, it's a head-scratcher that you should use something that's even less versatile than a single bagpipe would be.
Might as well blow a comb that just has one tooth.
But then again that wouldn't sound threatening. I mean like a really mean wandering minstrel coming at you with extrremely bad breath as a weapon.
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