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Topic: Abbey Road: A fantastic progressive rock album.
Posted By: The Switch Blade
Subject: Abbey Road: A fantastic progressive rock album.
Date Posted: August 28 2009 at 13:57
Discuss.

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Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: August 28 2009 at 13:59
sucky troll is sucky troll. At least tell us why you think so. Not that I disagree, but if you want to get reactions out of people at least open with a better line than "Discuss"


Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 28 2009 at 14:04
Word.


Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: August 28 2009 at 14:09

What if he say just: "Behold, Abbey Road. Repent sinners and worship this mighty record". 

No offence AR, I want to give you 5 star rating and hundreds of words, but this is not kind.



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Posted By: The Switch Blade
Date Posted: August 28 2009 at 14:15
"Come Together" starts off the album with an odd bass/drum riff, unorthodox lyrics, and irregularly recorded vocals. Completely unique to anything the public had heard at the time. Very experimental while staying within the realms of verse/chorus. That's crossover prog.

"I Want You (She's So Heavy)" has unusual length and structure and uses a moog synthesizer to make white noise. It also ends suddenly.

"Because" supposedly plays the chord progression to "Moonlight Sonata" backwards. It also has somewhat odd instrumentation and overdubbed vocals for large harmonies.

Then comes a sixteen minute Abbey Road Medley that takes you on a journey all over the place. The Sun King, Mean Mr. Mustard, Polythene Pam? They destroy the verse/chorus structure (the hallmark of progressive music) and hit eight different movements. If this track was released by anyone but the Beatles it would be praised as a brilliant opus of progressive rock.

"Her Majesty" was cut straight from the middle and tacked on the end, with a crash starting the song and an abrupt ending. Oh boy!

There are (obviously) a few tracks on the album that aren't progressive in nature. However, "Wish You Were Here" and "Have a Cigar" are hardly progressive, and they make up more of progarchives' favorite progressive rock album than these songs do on Abbey Road.


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Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: August 28 2009 at 14:28
Originally posted by The Switch Blade The Switch Blade wrote:


There are (obviously) a few tracks on the album that aren't progressive in nature. However, "Wish You Were Here" and "Have a Cigar" are hardly progressive, and they make up more of progarchives' favorite progressive rock album than these songs do on Abbey Road.

True, but all the Shine On.. parts together make up 26 minutes, added together with Welcome to the Machine that comes to 33 minutes of a 44 minute album. I would add up the songs on Abbey Road but I don't know what constitutes as not progressive.

I do love Abbey Road though.


Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: August 28 2009 at 14:32
Good post above, TSB.

It's, imo, the Beatle's greatest album, and has progressive qualities, but be warned that this topic will be moved to the forum_topics.asp?FID=64 - Proto-Prog and Prog-Related Lounge since this forum is intended for bands that are included in prog categories whether we think certain albums Prog or not (of course, it would have been moved to a different Prog forum if The Beatles were in a Prog category -- the featured albums one).

Incidentally, bing progressive (adjective), or even progressive rock is not necessarily enough to be deemed Progressive Rock (noun).


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Posted By: Evan
Date Posted: August 28 2009 at 14:47
Golden Slumbers/Carry that Weight/The End.  Nuff' said.  


Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: August 28 2009 at 16:14
Yes it's progressive and it's a damn fantastic album!


Posted By: sealchan
Date Posted: August 28 2009 at 19:03
The Abbey Road medley is archetypal of one of the primary qualities of progressive rock, its rapid progression of themes in an extended song.  However, it may be the Beatles relative lack of technical skill on the instruments (on average as Ringo Starr does tend to lower the average a bit) which makes the Beatles seem less than a full on progressive band.
 
But there is no doubt that the Abbey Road medley is a primary inspiration for what was to become progressive rock in short order.
 
After the creative exercise that was the White Album, the Abbey Road medley was a kind of distillation of the White Album's experimentation with styles into a highly concentrated musical form. 
 


Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 28 2009 at 19:18
I really like all Beatles albums from Rubber Soul onward.  Regard the rest as ok but I am not a completionist.

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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: August 28 2009 at 19:32
Abbey Road is a masterpiece, my favorite 1969 album (great prog year), and a full blown prog album. The 17-minute closing medley/epic is one of my favorite songs, and this shows how much they evolved from early 60's R&R.

This album is part of the reason why I think The Beatles should be in Xover. They basically define it! They have art rock elements, and (later on) had different song structures without epic song-lengths. If they weren't known for their early work, and if they weren't so damn popular (same problem Metallica faces on this site) I'm pretty sure it would be in a different subgenre. If the Moodies are considered Xover, so should the Beatles IMO.

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Posted By: TheLastBaron
Date Posted: August 28 2009 at 21:00
Definetly a masterpiece of proto prog. The albums structure, instrumentation, and recording techniques are all staples of what would become and is progressive rock. The Beatles are very important to the development of prog, if they didn't experiment as they did, there are many bands that wouldn't have been influenced to follow in that spirit and expand it.

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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: August 29 2009 at 03:22
Originally posted by King By-Tor King By-Tor wrote:

sucky troll is sucky troll. At least tell us why you think so. Not that I disagree, but if you want to get reactions out of people at least open with a better line than "Discuss"
 
Fair point, but perhaps a more tactful reaction to a newbee finding his way would have more appropriate. Wink


Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: August 29 2009 at 03:29
I like Her Majesty


...the song I mean




Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: August 29 2009 at 03:55
Originally posted by Atavachron Atavachron wrote:

I like Her Majesty


...the song I mean


#

yeah yeah....thats what they all say.

I'm listening to it now for the first time in ages.So dam good.I love the vocal performance from McCartney on Oh darling! and his bass playing all round.


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Posted By: The Switch Blade
Date Posted: August 29 2009 at 11:29
"Ringo Starr does tend to lower the average a bit"

Ringo Starr did a fantastic job on Abbey Road. "Come Together," "She Came In Through the Bathroom Window," and "The End" in particular.

I'm pretty sure we wouldn't have "Baba O'Reilly" without "The End." Give the man some credit!


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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: August 29 2009 at 12:23
It's OK, but mostly warmed over left-overs from the Let It Be sessions.  LiB is the true Beatles classic, and I'll go to my grave failing to convince people of that.  The sheer emotion and poignancy of those songs makes crap like Poly Pam and Mr Mustard and Maxwell sound like tripe.  Though Harrison did very well on Abbey, I'll give it that. 

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Posted By: LinusW
Date Posted: August 29 2009 at 12:51
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

It's OK, but mostly warmed over left-overs from the Let It Be sessions.  LiB is the true Beatles classic, and I'll go to my grave failing to convince people of that.  The sheer emotion and poignancy of those songs makes crap like Poly Pam and Mr Mustard and Maxwell sound like tripe.  Though Harrison did very well on Abbey, I'll give it that. 


You'll never convince people of that, no, but I can agree that it is their most underrated album. Definitely a GREAT album.



Posted By: mr.cub
Date Posted: August 29 2009 at 16:25
Originally posted by The Switch Blade The Switch Blade wrote:

"Ringo Starr does tend to lower the average a bit"

Ringo Starr did a fantastic job on Abbey Road. "Come Together," "She Came In Through the Bathroom Window," and "The End" in particular.

I'm pretty sure we wouldn't have "Baba O'Reilly" without "The End." Give the man some credit!
 
I think you are thinking of Moon's solo in Won't Get Fooled Again...? I certainly see similarities... but where Ringo's solo essentially just keeps time, Moon's soars...


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Posted By: SonicDeath10
Date Posted: August 30 2009 at 20:49
Originally posted by mr.cub mr.cub wrote:

Originally posted by The Switch Blade The Switch Blade wrote:

"Ringo Starr does tend to lower the average a bit"

Ringo Starr did a fantastic job on Abbey Road. "Come Together," "She Came In Through the Bathroom Window," and "The End" in particular.

I'm pretty sure we wouldn't have "Baba O'Reilly" without "The End." Give the man some credit!
 
I think you are thinking of Moon's solo in Won't Get Fooled Again...? I certainly see similarities... but where Ringo's solo essentially just keeps time, Moon's soars...
 
I would disagree about Ringo's solo "just keeping the time." I think it's actually a laughing mockery of drum solos and it's one of the funniest drum solos I've ever heard. Not to mention one of the most memorable.
 
Listen to that drum fill on the beginning of Come Together: that's incredibly creative. I was arguing to my friend Adam, a considerable punk and metal drummer, about Ringo. He played that song one time, and said "It's not that hard to play. I can play it" and I said "yeah, but could you have thought of it?" That stopped him. Of course not. Ringo wasn't flashy but he was creative. Always. Listen to his drumming in "Rain." Hard hitting and precise and not to be laughed at.


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Posted By: DocJ
Date Posted: September 01 2009 at 07:13
You have made an excellent point.  "Abbey Road" and "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band" certainly inspired a large number of musicians.


Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: September 01 2009 at 07:37
Originally posted by LinusW LinusW wrote:

Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

It's OK, but mostly warmed over left-overs from the Let It Be sessions.  LiB is the true Beatles classic, and I'll go to my grave failing to convince people of that.  The sheer emotion and poignancy of those songs makes crap like Poly Pam and Mr Mustard and Maxwell sound like tripe.  Though Harrison did very well on Abbey, I'll give it that. 


You'll never convince people of that, no, but I can agree that it is their most underrated album. Definitely a GREAT album.

 
Why fight about which of these two was best? Both AD and LIB, they were both great and The Beatles were the only band to quit while they were on top of their game and left wit their best two albums ever just released.
 
Harrison was really the icing on top of the cake..... his songwriting gave The Beatles another edge than the good ol Lenon/MacCa ..... and my fave on LIB is I Me Mine.


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Posted By: SonicDeath10
Date Posted: September 01 2009 at 09:08
All the Beatles albums are good. That's the irritating part about them.

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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: September 01 2009 at 09:47
Hi,
 
I always thought it was ... but in a different way ... and it makes much more sense when one looks at the history of music in 40's, 50's, 60's and 70's ... to really see the impact they made. .... and specially popular music ...
 
BTW, there is a film out there about Tom Dowd ... and everyone in this board should catch that film ... it is fantastic, and really shows the growth in "popular" music ... and it helps make sense of stuff like this a lot more than we give it credit for.
 
The Beatles impact was not quite in terms of music per se, as it was the free form mix of ideas, songs and content in any album, all of which blended into an impressive album that was beautifully written and played together, of which Abbey Road is undoubtedly the most focused and the best of them all  ... and the only "concept" it had was that it was all recorded at Abbey Road ... and I'm not sure that is a concept, but I suppose that the technical capability of that place compared to so many mom and pop places out there (specially today) ... should make a difference.
 
I always thought that the ending set was a really good primer for what became known as "progressive" and in reality it was a very well defined and performed jam that was extended and made stronger by the feelings involved.
 
There was also, at the time, a slight movement in the business that was making fun of the Beatles as just pop music ... and they had already been trying to take "pop music" into more serious areas, and folks like The Rolling Stones, and many others like John Mayall and the like, were already doing music that was more vefitting what we call "progressive" and adventurous, but was not "radio music" or "pop music" ... which the Beatles were not prepared to leave behind, or the record company could not accept their wanting to leave it behind ... so the blow out towards the end with a perfect set finger flashing on the last bit ... the Beatles never said they were progressive or that they could not play music ... and they showed everyone that they could rock and pop with the best of them ... regardless of who you are!


Posted By: ianashleigh
Date Posted: September 01 2009 at 17:45
Mr Cub, you have now posed the question: Is Who's Next a prog rock album?  Its one of my all time favourites and Won't Get Fooled Again is outstanding (has anyone else heard Ritchie Havens' cover?).  Do short 3, 4 and 5 minute songs preclude and album or band from being classed as prog rock?  If they are moving the boundaries within a 5 minute or 25 minute piece, its still prog rock.


Posted By: SonicDeath10
Date Posted: September 01 2009 at 18:48
Who's Next is close, but not quite. Quadrophenia, on the other hand, totally is.

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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 01 2009 at 23:36
Originally posted by sealchan sealchan wrote:

The Abbey Road medley is archetypal of one of the primary qualities of progressive rock, its rapid progression of themes in an extended song.  However, it may be the Beatles relative lack of technical skill on the instruments (on average as Ringo Starr does tend to lower the average a bit) which makes the Beatles seem less than a full on progressive band.
 
But there is no doubt that the Abbey Road medley is a primary inspiration for what was to become progressive rock in short order.
 
After the creative exercise that was the White Album, the Abbey Road medley was a kind of distillation of the White Album's experimentation with styles into a highly concentrated musical form. 
 


BRAVO!!!! Clap

thank you... you just won me $20...  I bet myself tossing this nice crisp Andy Jackson out the window that someone would dis-qualify the notion of the Beatles not being able to do a prog album...  because of lack of skill.

you've reafirmed my believe that people simply have no clue as to what prog is....  it isn't f**king skill.  The Beatles could have played circles around.. say.. Pink Floyd...  wanna disqualify them as well.

prog= rock music + the artistic aesthetic...

skill has nothing to do with it...  only the desire to do something different with the same old same old of rock..... that is prog.


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Posted By: SonicDeath10
Date Posted: September 02 2009 at 00:04
Not to mention the fact that Ringo could out play Nick any day. Not a diss on Nick: it's just the truth. Also, Paul is a much better bass player than Roger.

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Posted By: Lionheart
Date Posted: September 02 2009 at 12:54
Abbey Road, a progressive record?

OK. If Abbey Road is a great progressive record, then you would have to throw every Beatles album from Rubber Soul to Abbey Road in the same category. Personally, I don't think it's a *progressive* record. In my opinion, it is one of the greatest albums ever recorded, BUT, they are pop/rock songs with orchestration. Part of the definition of "progressive rock" is *arrangement*, and there's nothing "progressive" about the arrangement of this album. Production? Sure, the Beatles have had some of the greatest productions, but there's more to Progressive Rock than that, too.

This is not meant to discredit The Beatles in any way. Without them, we probably wouldn't have this forum!


Posted By: earlyprog
Date Posted: September 02 2009 at 15:34
Originally posted by Lionheart Lionheart wrote:

Abbey Road, a progressive record?
 
It's "light" prog as in Xover Prog. Not very prog in my book either.
 
Fantastic it is, nontheless.


Posted By: mr.cub
Date Posted: September 02 2009 at 15:50
Originally posted by ianashleigh ianashleigh wrote:

Mr Cub, you have now posed the question: Is Who's Next a prog rock album?  Its one of my all time favourites and Won't Get Fooled Again is outstanding (has anyone else heard Ritchie Havens' cover?).  Do short 3, 4 and 5 minute songs preclude and album or band from being classed as prog rock?  If they are moving the boundaries within a 5 minute or 25 minute piece, its still prog rock.
That is for another thread my friend.
 
As for Abbey Road, I would say it is as progressive an album The Beatles released, right up there with Revolver. But remember, in 1969 prog rock was indicative of something more on the lines of In the Court of the Crimson King. Looking back, with the Long Medley on one side, a collection of innovative pieces on the other and a tremendous texture and feel throughout my answer is yes. Look at 'Here Comes the Sun', at first listen it seems to be a pretty simple pop tune. But listen carefully to the layering of synthesizers throughout the piece, especially during the last verse and chorus.
 
What I always look for in an album is depth, from piece to piece or within the pieces themselves. Abbey Road has more depth than many prog albums I have heard. It is ambitious and defining last statement by the band; it may not sound like 'traditional' prog albums but it is certainly progressive in sounding like the culmination of the Beatles work.


Posted By: SonicDeath10
Date Posted: September 02 2009 at 22:21
Originally posted by mr.cub mr.cub wrote:

 
 
What I always look for in an album is depth, from piece to piece or within the pieces themselves. Abbey Road has more depth than many prog albums I have heard. It is ambitious and defining last statement by the band; it may not sound like 'traditional' prog albums but it is certainly progressive in sounding like the culmination of the Beatles work.
Not to mention better written. But that probably goes without saying.

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Posted By: mr.cub
Date Posted: September 02 2009 at 22:46
Originally posted by SonicDeath10 SonicDeath10 wrote:

Originally posted by mr.cub mr.cub wrote:

 
 
What I always look for in an album is depth, from piece to piece or within the pieces themselves. Abbey Road has more depth than many prog albums I have heard. It is ambitious and defining last statement by the band; it may not sound like 'traditional' prog albums but it is certainly progressive in sounding like the culmination of the Beatles work.
Not to mention better written. But that probably goes without saying.
Very true. Even with their simpler pop tunes, songwriting has rarely been matched


Posted By: Alberto Muņoz
Date Posted: September 18 2009 at 12:41
Abbey Road, whoa... that album full of great memories.
 
I remember that i borrow that original stereo album from my uncle's collection.
 
When i hear that album the first time i was 9 or 10 years, and i was in awe when i hear it, fantastic.
 
Last wednesday i put the remaster version in my parents house and my little daughter (2 years old) was dancing along the hall with the songs.
 
What else can i say? fantastic.


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