Do you buy music which can be found for free?
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Topic: Do you buy music which can be found for free?
Posted By: Anaon
Subject: Do you buy music which can be found for free?
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 10:48
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Hi everyone! I'm really interested into the concept of "free music" and I'm curious to know the opnion of the prog circle ;) I made a poll on my website http://www.spleenarcana.com/scriptorium/music/do-you-buy-music-which-can-be-found-for-free/ - here but I thought I could ask here directly Feel free to explain your choice ;) NP : Franco Battiato "Sulle Corde Di Aries" ------------- My music: http://spleenarcana.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://spleenarcana.bandcamp.com/ My blog: http://groovesandmemories.com/" rel="nofollow - http://groovesandmemories.com/ |
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 11:04
| Yes. I also have a strange habit of buying things which could be stolen for free. |
Posted By: Anaon
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 11:08
That sums up well what's going on today in the music field  But you can also find music which you can download for free legally, or buy, this is the reason of this poll  ------------- My music: http://spleenarcana.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://spleenarcana.bandcamp.com/ My blog: http://groovesandmemories.com/" rel="nofollow - http://groovesandmemories.com/ |
Vompatti wrote:Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 11:14
| ^ In such a case I usually download the music just to hear it, and if it's good, I try to find it on vinyl or CD. |
Posted By: Anaon
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 11:20
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Ok, if you like it, you buy it... Thanks for explaining your choice/opinion :) ------------- My music: http://spleenarcana.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://spleenarcana.bandcamp.com/ My blog: http://groovesandmemories.com/" rel="nofollow - http://groovesandmemories.com/ |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 11:25
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Of course. I but CD's whenever possible, (aka when I have money) However I used to download a lot. Most places suck now though, there just isn't much music available. I always did buy though, and I want to eventually own every album I have downloaded (some are just too obscure to get anymore though) |
Posted By: Anaon
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 11:27
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Thanks, you're right about obscure albums though. Some of them are juste impossible to find :(
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 11:34
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I like to test drive music. My bank account regularly gets raped to purchase music I would probably never hear otherwise if not for "free" downloads. I fully support artists whose music I enjoy. ------------- 
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 11:36
Exactly! And I know what you mean about the raping....I have had no money the last few days. I now have $60....you;d think I'd save it for gas or food...but nope. Going out in a few mins actually to buy some CD's  |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 12:25
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In fact, you should explain what do you mean by "free". Are you talking about the two or three songs that some labels or bands offer on their sites? Or are you talking about free albums, later available on CD? Or are you talking about the "not-so-legal-and-maybe-illegal-free-music"? I only download samples (full songs or excerpts) from the official sites, but I confess having downloaded a few things on some MP3 blogs which I know being unavailable not only in France, but in the whole world (obscure compilation tapes, "lost" LP or 7'', that kind of stuff). |
Posted By: Anaon
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 13:35
I'm talking about these two options without hesitation, full albums available for free legally or not. ------------- My music: http://spleenarcana.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://spleenarcana.bandcamp.com/ My blog: http://groovesandmemories.com/" rel="nofollow - http://groovesandmemories.com/ |
Posted By: Anaon
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 13:40
I'm talking about these two options without hesitation, full albums available for free legally or not. ------------- My music: http://spleenarcana.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://spleenarcana.bandcamp.com/ My blog: http://groovesandmemories.com/" rel="nofollow - http://groovesandmemories.com/ |
Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 13:45
More seriously, I gotta tell ya, albums need lemon laws. I mean buying a CD for one or two songs even though you've never heard the others then you get the CD home and you are stunned when the rest of the CD sucks. Bah! -------------
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Posted By: Anaon
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 14:03
That's why free music can be great, don't you think? You can listen to the whole album and judge if you like it and will buy it then ;) ------------- My music: http://spleenarcana.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://spleenarcana.bandcamp.com/ My blog: http://groovesandmemories.com/" rel="nofollow - http://groovesandmemories.com/ |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 14:09
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I will listen to free streamed, legal, music, but do not download from pirate sites.
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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 14:12
| I used to download. I hardly do anymore, unless I know it will still benefit the artist, such as a place like newgroovemusic.com |
Posted By: Failcore
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 16:19
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Where's the it depends on what I can afford option. I will say this; every album that I have "acquired" I eventually buy if I like it or delete if I do not.
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Posted By: crimson87
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 16:39
| I download records and then if I like them a lot ( and are avilable in my country) I spend money on them. |
Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 18:22
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If I paid I'd be poor -------------  Time always wins. |
Posted By: KingCrimson250
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 18:55
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I voted for the second last option, totally depends on the quality. If I download an album and there's only one or two songs that I like, I'm going to keep those songs and not buy it. If the artist chooses to make crap music floated by a couple of flagship songs then he/she has got to pay the price, which is no financial support from me (I could go into a big rant on this but I won't). However, I will buy music as often as I can if I feel that it's worth buying. In fact, that's what I'm doing now for the most part, purchasing albums that I downloaded in my less-scrupulous days. To me purchasing albums is really important; not only does it provide the artist with more income, but also every time I buy a prog album that is one more statistic rolling into the music industry's number crunchers saying that I like prog and that I want to hear more of it. It's a bit like voting, in that sense. We may be voting for some smallscale, independent party but we are voting nonetheless, and every creative album purchased says "Give artists more creative freedom!" That being said, the collective opinions of proggers is little more than a drop in the bucket as far as the industry is concerned, and most things are going indie and online now anyway, which is only a good thing. Still, at least it's something Of course, sometimes you're stuck. I downloaded both of Anglagard's albums because I'm not sure where I could purchase them - as far as I know they're out of print, and I'm not going on ebay and giving some middle-man an obscene profit which the band will never see. But when they do re-release their albums I will be the first in line, cash in hand. That is a band that needs to be supported. |
Posted By: camilleanne
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 19:40
for me it depends in the quality.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 21:08
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Some of what little I have downloaded was available free and wasn't available for sale. I downloaded for pay Radiohead's In Rainbows. Probably paid too much as went out and got a hard copy as soon as it was available. Excellent cover art, by the way. NIN's The Slip I downloaded for free and then bought a hard copy. Same deal with the new Marillion. I can't cope without hard copies. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 21:24
That's exactly right. In fact, knowing the albums were good thanks to free listening, I bought 8 CD's today! |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 21:34
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution "No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation." ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 22:44
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Generally most music can be found for free, and I buy music, so of course I buy music that can be found for free. Of course, I do set up guidelines. There are plenty of bands (Yes and Pink Floyd) who don't need my money and I probably wouldn't buy their albums anyways, but I do get some of their music online.
That being said, I ALWAYS support lesser known bands. I'm not really sure where the line is for bands who need more support, though I tend to be pretty generous with my money.
The quality has a lot to do with it too. NIN released The Slip for free from their site, and I was dissapointed with it, so I didn't feel the need for a hard copy. I had also acquired a lot of free downloads of individual songs from SOAD's Mezmerize and Hypnotize, yet I still got those albums. ------------- 
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 23:22
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By the way, the streaming tracks on this site have been tremendously helpful in aiding me to find more new music than I really needed to.
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: July 29 2009 at 01:03
 Isn't that a bit hypocritical? I mean, either you like the songs (then you should buy them) or you don't (then you shouldn't). I hope you are aware that today you can also buy single tracks.BTW: If you only like some of the tracks of an album that doesn't necessarily mean that the other tracks are crap ... and it certainly doesn't mean that the artist doesn't deserve to get paid for them. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: July 29 2009 at 02:20
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I'll always buy music...
I did a fair bit of downloading in my day, but not anymore. I don't think its "Stealing", but I would rather support an artist through buying CD's. And Yes - I understand they get very little of what I pay. -Joel ------------- 
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Posted By: Passionist
Date Posted: July 29 2009 at 03:31
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To me it's about the quality. I mean, I have In Rainbows by Radiohead, which I got for free because it was so easy. Truth be told this was the first album I got from Radiohead, so I was no fan, what-so-ever, and never quite got into them through it, as people saay it's not the album to use for that. Later on I bought OK Computer. then I got Marillion's new album because it was also free and easy to acquire. And I didn't know wherther it was going to be good or bad, frankly the "hit-song" wasn't all that good. But once I listened to it some, 30 times in a row i was quite sure I wanted to buy it. As the cd that is, I wanted it with the covers and on better quality. Simple |
Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: July 29 2009 at 04:17
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Also, keep in mind that Radiohead made more off of In Rainbows than of any other album. I feel no guilt whatsoever by not paying anything for that album. -------------
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: July 29 2009 at 05:21
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^ you may not feel guilt, but the fact remains that if all the other fans did like you did, they would not have made any money with the album - at least through that new, experimental channel. My point is: If an artist offers an album free of charge but asks for a donation, and you download the album for free and find that you like it a lot ... then you should make a donation. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Anaon
Date Posted: July 29 2009 at 08:12
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Thank you all! Your opinions are really interesting!! Please continue to vote
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Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: July 29 2009 at 09:36
I do the same, but the problem for me is that the amount of music I want to buy is larger than the amount of music I can buy. |
Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: July 29 2009 at 09:38
I will buy the indiviual songs, but if I bought the CD, I want my money back. -------------
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Posted By: Okocha
Date Posted: July 29 2009 at 09:43
| I only buy vinyl records..... |
Posted By: Anaon
Date Posted: July 30 2009 at 06:38
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I should have added this option
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: July 30 2009 at 06:40
Perhaps a CD budget? 
or patience! -------------
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Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: July 30 2009 at 07:02
Debating illigal actions on a puplic forum  ------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: The Sleepwalker
Date Posted: July 30 2009 at 07:55
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I don't do illegal dowloads, it's a matter of morals and laziness. I like to have a hard copy of the album, definitely if an album has a very interesting or special artwork. If a band releases an album as a free legal download, I don't see no reason to not download it though. So, my vote goes to the first option. ------------- 
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: July 30 2009 at 08:48
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^ that's a problem with this poll ... I'm not sure whether it refers to legal downloads.
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Posted By: Anaon
Date Posted: July 30 2009 at 08:51
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It's not really a problem of the poll but the fact that if we talk about "downloading" today, it's necessarly illegal but it's not necessarly the case. But I admit that I made this poll thinking of legal download : For example, a band who offers his album for free (mp3) but also sells it on CD or vinyl. ------------- My music: http://spleenarcana.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://spleenarcana.bandcamp.com/ My blog: http://groovesandmemories.com/" rel="nofollow - http://groovesandmemories.com/ |
Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: July 30 2009 at 08:59
Why talk about stealing, if a legal download  ------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: Anaon
Date Posted: July 30 2009 at 09:07
I was sure someone would ask this Because there are people who think that it's like "stealing" even if it's in a legal way, you know? It's just a general point of view about "free music", legal or not. ------------- My music: http://spleenarcana.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://spleenarcana.bandcamp.com/ My blog: http://groovesandmemories.com/" rel="nofollow - http://groovesandmemories.com/ |
Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: July 30 2009 at 09:15
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Let's say Floyd and U2 both have 100 trillion dollars, and I like them both, but Floyd more. I have enough money for both the joshua tree and dark side of the moon, but I buy Dark Side, cause I will always prefer Floyd over the money stealing bands like U2.. ------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
Posted By: The Sleepwalker
Date Posted: July 30 2009 at 09:21
That seems pretty contradictory to me, if a band releases a legal free download, they want you to download it. I really think the release of free legal download is a good thing for commercial succes of the band, for example, Maudlin Of The Well. The free legal download of Part the Second was a good excuse for me to try their music, and I really liked it. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has discovered the band by this free download. Anyway, when I wrote my last comment I thought this thread also was about illegal downloads, which is why I did vote for the first option. Now I know it is about legal downloads only I would vote option five: It depends on the quality of the music. Though I haven't yet come across a free download that good that it's worth spending my money on.
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Posted By: Anaon
Date Posted: July 30 2009 at 09:31
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It doesn't sound contradictory to me, some people don't even want to hear about free downloads. But anyway, you're right, it's a bit confusing but I didn't want to be too explicit as illegal downloads exist and it's also interesting to know more about it. I agree that it changes the way you can vote... ------------- My music: http://spleenarcana.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://spleenarcana.bandcamp.com/ My blog: http://groovesandmemories.com/" rel="nofollow - http://groovesandmemories.com/ |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: July 30 2009 at 11:09
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The results of the poll nearly frighten me: one could conclude (a bit quickly) that it's okay to "rip off" bands and artists that you don't like. But I think the results have a lot to do with the question. I needed to see the post of Anaon where he explains he was talking about legal downloads to make my own mind. Example: the three CD of French death-metal band Carcariass are given on their site, yet I'm still ready to buy these discs. |
Posted By: Anaon
Date Posted: July 30 2009 at 11:11
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Well sorry for the confusion then... Maybe I should edit my first post to add this is more about legal download, what do you think? In an other hand, people who illegally download, also buy music, it's interesting to know the reasons that make them buy ------------- My music: http://spleenarcana.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://spleenarcana.bandcamp.com/ My blog: http://groovesandmemories.com/" rel="nofollow - http://groovesandmemories.com/ |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: July 30 2009 at 11:29
| Honesty and the pleasure of having the cover and the booklet? |
Posted By: Anaon
Date Posted: July 30 2009 at 11:34
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I guess... Oh I should have added the artwork and the booklet thing, you're right!
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: July 30 2009 at 12:07
| I don't afford donating to bands which have given away free music, but in the future I'll be able to do that. Except for Radiohead's "In Rainbows" I've never heard about albums being released as both purchasable CD and free download. (I'm referring to the bands I like, otherwise I know it happens). |
Posted By: The Sleepwalker
Date Posted: July 30 2009 at 12:15
If you are interested in the reasons people have for buying CD's or why they do or don't illegally download, you might like this thread: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=59533 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=59533 . -------------
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Posted By: Anaon
Date Posted: July 30 2009 at 13:42
There are more and more examples here and there, it's becoming like a new "model". Another famous example is NIN. Floydispink : Thanks, this topic interests me for sure ------------- My music: http://spleenarcana.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow - http://spleenarcana.bandcamp.com/ My blog: http://groovesandmemories.com/" rel="nofollow - http://groovesandmemories.com/ |
Posted By: cacha71
Date Posted: August 05 2009 at 15:08
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I have mixed feelings about this subject. Bands need to make money in order to produce music. If they post their music free on the internet, most people will download and not buy the CD. But if the band is to achieve wider recognition, they really need to get their music where others can hear it, and the internet is the perfect way to do this. So it's a vicious circle. In general I'm in favour of music being made available for others to hear it though streaming or legal downloading on sites like this one, MySpace, Last.fm and others because there still are enough people who, like myself, who will hear it, like it, and then buy it. ------------- http://www.last.fm/group/Progressive+Folk |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: August 07 2009 at 11:28
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It depends if the artist needs money or not. If I rent a copy of Asia's Phoenix and burn myself a copy, these guys won't be struggling for the rest of their lives. I do try to buy music by smaller artists, though. I tend to download first, and if I like it I usually buy it.
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