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Topic: What OS do you use, progger?
Posted By: American Khatru
Subject: What OS do you use, progger?
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 08:27
I have a feeling I know which will win.  It's not even fair.

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Posted By: mono
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 10:26
mac users, UNITE!

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Posted By: Liimatta
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 10:30
I use paper


Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 10:34
Ubuntu - although I'm pretty sure one of these polls is floating about somewhere.


Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 10:36
Windows.

And it's absolutely s***e, but I haven't got the confidence to try Linux.

I WILL get a Mac, next time, I really will.


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Posted By: mono
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 10:43
If you're not familiar with Linux, don't try it for audio, you will have trouble, especially for advanced midi...
If it's not for recording/audio, Ubuntu is probably one of the best OS out there, and is very easy to use (nothing to be afraid of). The "command line" phobia is not relevant anymore!


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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 11:21
XP. I'm quite happy with it, actually.


Posted By: progvortex
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 13:17
Windows, to my dismay...


Posted By: Failcore
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 13:30
Windows Xp, but they'll drag me into Vista/'Windows 7 kicking and screaming. actually, because of Dx11 I'll have to get Win7 and a new video card. Which damned annoying considering my current card is one of the fastest on the market, but it won't support the new Dx11 interfaces, which I'm sure are only mildly different than dx10. And there's no trade up program for nvidia users either. The only thing like it is evga's step up program, but that only works if the card was purchased in the last 90 days. It's ridicilous to have to drop about 500 bucks each year to keep a current machine.

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Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 13:37
Windows. But I'm planning to switch to Ubuntu for ages...

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Posted By: American Khatru
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 13:47
I thought Mac would be in the lead.  Interesting to see the preponderance of reluctant Windows users.

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Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 13:50
Originally posted by mono mono wrote:

mac users, UNITE!
FIGHT THE POWER!


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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 15:12
A reluctant Windows user again, along with the vast majority of PC usersAngry

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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 15:32
Vista and Ubuntu. Shocked

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Posted By: Matthew T
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 16:02
I made the leap from Morse Code to WindowsWink

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Posted By: Failcore
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 16:17
Pssh I don't even have a computer. I just memorize binary numbers and crunch them on an abacus.LOL


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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 16:42
This was already done quite recently. The search feature is your friend. 


Posted By: Guitar1Jesse
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 17:08
I use Windows...with a crap load of ram.

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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 17:19
I use both Windows and OS X on my Mac. 'tis the only way to get everything I want!!! Muahahaha!!!


Posted By: moreitsythanyou
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 17:27
Mac. It's quite excellent.

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Posted By: 3vilP3nguin
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 18:15
Originally posted by Mr ProgFreak Mr ProgFreak wrote:

Vista and Ubuntu. Shocked


The same. Vista does get used a lot more though.


Posted By: Philip
Date Posted: August 13 2009 at 15:29
Windows.


Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: August 13 2009 at 15:36
Has anyone here tried FreeDOS? I just heard about it and was wondering if it works like the real thing or are there compatibility problems?


Posted By: Catholic Flame
Date Posted: August 14 2009 at 19:48
True artists use 8-track.

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Posted By: Xanthous
Date Posted: November 06 2009 at 20:23
I use Mac but I prefer Windows. The only thing I love about Mac is that it hasn't crashed like all my windows computers.


Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: November 06 2009 at 20:35
Windows has only crashed once ever for me, and I don't even think that was the one I have now.

I will probably be using Windows 7 soon, but I want to also have Linux.


Posted By: zachfive
Date Posted: November 07 2009 at 00:32
http://f-source.com/buy/macStyleMenu/images/appleIcon.png


Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: November 07 2009 at 01:27
I have a Mac, a PC with windows, and I remote run a Linux desktop from my old university's computer desktop when I need to program. 

My favorite and most used is my Mac.


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Posted By: Evolutionary Sleeper
Date Posted: November 07 2009 at 01:35
XP right now, Windows 7 when I get my laptop.

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Posted By: TheCaptain
Date Posted: November 07 2009 at 10:34
Vista. I'll be upgrading to Win 7 soonish. I tried my hand at Ubuntu for a few months but I got rid of it when I realized I needed the space for other things. I'm sure I'll give it another chance in a few years.

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Posted By: jampa17
Date Posted: November 07 2009 at 11:29
I use windows... but I'm willing to get a Mac book pro, maybe in january... just get tired of all the stupid questions of windows and all of its "Are you sure you want to continue?" and that it crash many many times... so I vote for windows but, if lucky is on my side, will be mac next year... Big smile

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Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: November 07 2009 at 18:16
XP on my desktop and OSX on my laptop.


Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: November 07 2009 at 18:50
My laptop was one of the very first ones to get shipped out with Vista.

... and it makes me wanna cry (a la Godley and Creme).


Posted By: KoS
Date Posted: November 07 2009 at 18:52
Windows 7.



Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: November 08 2009 at 06:18
I'm stuck in XP-Pro-land - looked a Vista and really didn't like it. Haven't given W-7 a serious eval yet and won't do untl MicrClownSClownft leave me no option.
 
I have a couple of systems that use Red Hat Linux and really like it, but not enough to convert my home PCs over.
 
In the dim and distant past I have written my own http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forth_%28programming_language%29 - Forth -based OS for a scratch-built computer - I only chose that approach because it was easy (OS and programming environment in one) ...  if I were to do that today I'd probably go for Linux on a mini-ITX system.


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Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: November 08 2009 at 08:47

I'm using good old Win XP, faithful servant that can do everything I want.

By the way, talking about taking chances, Mac OS has about 2% usage in my country, so this 1/5 of Mac users here is for me very good number.



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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 08 2009 at 09:01
XP, there was a joke that I didn't make up: it stands for extra pricey. LOL
I'm on a Vista computer right now.  Sure the extra features are cool.  I like the gadgets thingy.  But it's slow as hell, might just be computer except I set one of my bosses up with a Vista and it's always been buggy.  The one good thing I can say about Vista is that it does run some old programs I have that none of the Windows versions past 3.1 would do. 

On a side note I am using a MS keyboard where the keys aren't in a straight line.  I keep getting my fingers for my right hand in the wrong positioning, arrrggggg!!!


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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: November 08 2009 at 11:12
Originally posted by MartyMcFly89 MartyMcFly89 wrote:

I'm using good old Win XP, faithful servant that can do everything I want.

By the way, talking about taking chances, Mac OS has about 2% usage in my country, so this 1/5 of Mac users here is for me very good number.

1/50 Wink

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Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: November 08 2009 at 11:37
Mac! I've got 3 of them and a PC sitting in my closet


Posted By: Marty McFly
Date Posted: November 08 2009 at 13:51
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by MartyMcFly89 MartyMcFly89 wrote:

I'm using good old Win XP, faithful servant that can do everything I want.

By the way, talking about taking chances, Mac OS has about 2% usage in my country, so this 1/5 of Mac users here is for me very good number.

1/50 Wink

Oh crap, I've wrote it not clearly, my bad Dean. I meant that in my country it's 2% of people, but by coincidence, here it's also about multiply of this.

Czech Republic - 1/50

Here on PA poll - 1/5 (actually, it's more like 3/10, but at least I can repair this previous mistake)



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Even my


Posted By: jampa17
Date Posted: November 09 2009 at 11:17
Hey... those who already have Windows 7... it really works well...??? Vista didn't aloud me to connect sound patches and workstations synth... so I formated my computer and install the old  XP...

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Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: November 09 2009 at 18:38
I have three computers - 1 Laptop that runs WinXP; An old desktop that has both W98 and W2000 and my latest desktop which has Vista. Have to say I am not fond of Vista and much prefer WXP. However, my favourite for stableness is W2000. I am interested to see what others think of the new Win7. I don't think I will be upgrading just yet.

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Posted By: UndercoverBoy
Date Posted: November 11 2009 at 21:41
I have a Windows Vista and an iMac.  I honestly can't say which one I prefer.  I use the Vista for offline activities like Gaming and Microsoft Word, but I use the Mac for surfing the Internet.


Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: November 12 2009 at 10:20
I don`t know what the hell OS is but it must be some computer feature that slows things down so I voted for the 8 track and paper. My 8 track player still works believe it or not.


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Posted By: GoldenSpiral
Date Posted: November 12 2009 at 14:02
Ubuntu Linux!
 
  Approve <-------Requisite smugface


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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: November 12 2009 at 14:04
Originally posted by GoldenSpiral GoldenSpiral wrote:

Ubuntu Linux!
 
  Approve <-------Requisite smugface


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Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: November 12 2009 at 14:16
Windows but the paper and 8 track sounds much better.

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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 12 2009 at 14:19
Operating systems are for wimps.  I've been doing all this telepathically.


Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: November 12 2009 at 14:21
Vista - not perfect, but it works

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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 12 2009 at 14:24
Originally posted by tamijo tamijo wrote:

Vista - not perfect, but it works

I've had some experience with Vista on three computers and I'm not really convinced that it works. Tongue

I will say something nice about it though.  It's the only Windows that ran Peter Gabriel's Explora program since 3.1, which didn't run that too well.  I might be running some more experiments with it if I haven't been too busy dealing with flood things.


Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: November 12 2009 at 14:26
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Operating systems are for wimps.  I've been doing all this telepathically.


Was it you hacking into my brain and leaving filthy images?


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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: November 12 2009 at 14:27
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by tamijo tamijo wrote:

Vista - not perfect, but it works

I've had some experience with Vista on three computers and I'm not really convinced that it works. Tongue


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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: November 12 2009 at 14:33
Originally posted by mrcozdude mrcozdude wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Operating systems are for wimps.  I've been doing all this telepathically.


Was it you hacking into my brain and leaving filthy images?

Yeah, that was me, I apologize. Tongue

^ Best laugh of the day for me Padrimaniac. LOL


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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: November 13 2009 at 04:27
Originally posted by valravennz valravennz wrote:

I have three computers - 1 Laptop that runs WinXP; An old desktop that has both W98 and W2000 and my latest desktop which has Vista. Have to say I am not fond of Vista and much prefer WXP. However, my favourite for stableness is W2000. I am interested to see what others think of the new Win7. I don't think I will be upgrading just yet.


Apparently upgrading from XP to 7 is a massive b*tch. Takes about 8 times as long as it should, and usually tells you you need to reset about 40 times




XP is great for me right now, although its likely I'll get a Mac soon.

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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: November 13 2009 at 04:49
Originally posted by progkidjoel progkidjoel wrote:

Originally posted by valravennz valravennz wrote:

I have three computers - 1 Laptop that runs WinXP; An old desktop that has both W98 and W2000 and my latest desktop which has Vista. Have to say I am not fond of Vista and much prefer WXP. However, my favourite for stableness is W2000. I am interested to see what others think of the new Win7. I don't think I will be upgrading just yet.


Apparently upgrading from XP to 7 is a massive b*tch. Takes about 8 times as long as it should, and usually tells you you need to reset about 40 times




XP is great for me right now, although its likely I'll get a Mac soon.
I learnt my lesson when upgrading from Windows NT/2000 and Windows 95/98 to XP - never, ever upgrade, ever. Always start from scratch, buy a new hard-drive and do a clean install of the newer operating system - keep the old hard-drive as backup, copy over any files you want to keep and do a fresh install of all your old apps. Unless your hardware is less than a year old the chances are the system will still not perform that great because the old motherboard lacks too many newer features that the new OS relies on, or will simply be too under-resourced in processor speed and memory capability. Same applies to Office 2007/8 - if your system runs Office 97 okay then leave it because Office 2008 on an old PC runs like an elephant in treacle. LOL

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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: November 13 2009 at 05:00
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by progkidjoel progkidjoel wrote:

Originally posted by valravennz valravennz wrote:

I have three computers - 1 Laptop that runs WinXP; An old desktop that has both W98 and W2000 and my latest desktop which has Vista. Have to say I am not fond of Vista and much prefer WXP. However, my favourite for stableness is W2000. I am interested to see what others think of the new Win7. I don't think I will be upgrading just yet.
Apparently upgrading from XP to 7 is a massive b*tch. Takes about 8 times as long as it should, and usually tells you you need to reset about 40 times XP is great for me right now, although its likely I'll get a Mac soon.

I learnt my lesson when upgrading from Windows NT/2000 and Windows 95/98 to XP - never, ever upgrade, ever. Always start from scratch, buy a new hard-drive and do a clean install of the newer operating system - keep the old hard-drive as backup, copy over any files you want to keep and do a fresh install of all your old apps. Unless your hardware is less than a year old the chances are the system will still not perform that great because the old motherboard lacks too many newer features that the new OS relies on, or will simply be too under-resourced in processor speed and memory capability. Same applies to Office 2007/8 - if your system runs Office 97 okay then leave it because Office 2008 on an old PC runs like an elephant in treacle. LOL


I still forget to "Save as Office 2003 Document" before I email assignments into school, which gets incredibly annoying. Since '07 can open both types, I don't see why it bothers to save them as the new format to begin with. Waste of time if you ask me!


I had a problem with upgrading recently - Finally decided to get the new "Windows Live Messenger" (was previously running good ol' MSN 7) and after resetting as per instructions, it deleted my MSN without installing WLM. But now I can't attempt to re-install WLM, because when I run the installer it says its already installed


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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: November 13 2009 at 05:24
Originally posted by progkidjoel progkidjoel wrote:



I still forget to "Save as Office 2003 Document" before I email assignments into school, which gets incredibly annoying. Since '07 can open both types, I don't see why it bothers to save them as the new format to begin with. Waste of time if you ask me!

 
That's because you are not using any of the new features. Once you use them saving in the old format is not possible. I use the >256 column capability and conditional formatting features of Excel 2008 a lot and cannot save them as 2003 format.
Originally posted by progkidjoel progkidjoel wrote:


I had a problem with upgrading recently - Finally decided to get the new "Windows Live Messenger" (was previously running good ol' MSN 7) and after resetting as per instructions, it deleted my MSN without installing WLM. But now I can't attempt to re-install WLM, because when I run the installer it says its already installed
Life without messyger, sounds ideal to me Tongue LOL


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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: November 13 2009 at 05:29
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by progkidjoel progkidjoel wrote:

I still forget to "Save as Office 2003 Document" before I email assignments into school, which gets incredibly annoying. Since '07 can open both types, I don't see why it bothers to save them as the new format to begin with. Waste of time if you ask me!  

That's because you are not using any of the new features. Once you use them saving in the old format is not possible. I use the >256 column capability and conditional formatting features of Excel 2008 a lot and cannot save them as 2003 format.


Ah, fair enough. Right now for assignments, all I need is Arial size 12 with 1.5 line spacing

Originally posted by progkidjoel progkidjoel wrote:

I had a problem with upgrading recently - Finally decided to get the new "Windows Live Messenger" (was previously running good ol' MSN 7) and after resetting as per instructions, it deleted my MSN without installing WLM. But now I can't attempt to re-install WLM, because when I run the installer it says its already installed

Life without messyger, sounds ideal to me Tongue LOL



Blasphemy!

Eh, MSN is good for me right now. Lets me keep in touch with friends online whilst avoiding FaceBook, MySpace etc etc...



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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: November 13 2009 at 05:41
^ I bet you're a wiz at texting too Tongue

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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: November 13 2009 at 05:53
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

^ I bet you're a wiz at texting too Tongue


Well... Currently:







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Posted By: American Khatru
Date Posted: November 13 2009 at 06:14
Hey, OP here.  Very interesting to see where this thing has gone.  Just curious, why do you think you don't use a Mac, or that more people don't use Mac?
Co$t
Interface
Loyalty(whether that makes you sane or crazy, I don't know)



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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: November 13 2009 at 07:08
Originally posted by American Khatru American Khatru wrote:

Hey, OP here.  Very interesting to see where this thing has gone.  Just curious, why do you think you don't use a Mac, or that more people don't use Mac?
Co$t
Interface
Loyalty(whether that makes you sane or crazy, I don't know)

I think a lot of this had to do with target markets - in the early days Mac's were specifically targeted at Graphic Artists and Musicians (after the demise of Atari St the Mac became the preferred Midi platform) this was a distinctly different market to the Apple II and one where it could excel over the PC, whereas the PC was seen as a more general purpose business machine whose architecture was purposely (by IBM) open to clone manufacturers (and Mac was not) so it appeared in far more workplaces. This meant that development of the PC went at the pace of market requirements (observe the exponential growth in the Graphics card market from the humble Hercules cards - none of which were driven by IBM or MicrClownSClownft) and by the big-money players like Intel and AMD, whereas the Mac development was restricted by Apple's cash-flow.
 
Penetration into the home market (again following the demise of specifically targeted home computers like the Atari ST and Amiga) was simply a case of people wanting to use the systems they were familiar with from work, and the PC was far cheaper than the Mac in this case too - I don't know the figures but I wouldn't be surprised if the number of Macs in homes in the 90s was signficantly less that the number of Apple IIs in the 80s - at that time Apple simply were not interested in the home market. later Apple attempted to redress this imbalance by allowing Mac clones and porting PC software over, but it had to reinvent the Mac as the iMac to achieve the necessary level of PC interface compatibility to really make this work (USB over Firewire, dropping SCSI and ADB etc) - the sexy new case by Jonathan Ive also played a big factor in gaining acceptance of the new design. By then they were 10 years behind the PC in the home market, and still producing a solution that was far more expensive than the PC. Even if you compare the Mac Mini with an equivalent price PC base-unit (ie no kbrd, mouse or monitor) you still got more bang for your buck with the PC. However, I suspect that the later advent of the Intel x86 based Macs has had a lesser effect than the success of the iPlod on the recent rise popularity of the Mac.
 
 


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Posted By: mono
Date Posted: November 13 2009 at 07:22
I have OS X on my iMac, and Ubuntu and XP on my laptop.
XP just killed  me (crashes, crashes.... lost a few projects like that), and I just can't find everything I need with Ubuntu (for sound, DAWs, plugins, standalone software...).
So.......Mac!
Not only by default, I happen to like it a lot.
Ahh, when you turn on your computer and can actually use it less than 5 minutes after, it just feels good (it actually takes around 20seconds to become fully operational!).



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Posted By: AceBad
Date Posted: November 13 2009 at 07:34
A huge reason that I (and many other people) aren't using Linux or a Mac: Games.

As a PC gamer, it's not feasible to use anything other than Windows right now. I've tried Ubunutu and loved it, but the fact that almost all PC games won't run natively on it is a huge problem. I've tried tools like 'WINE', which are supposed to allow games to run on Linux, but there are almost no games that will run 100% correctly on WINE- even the ones that are playable will have bugs and issues. Mac has better game support, with lots of software companies that port PC versions of popular games to Mac, but its still not enough.

Also, I feel like Apple products aren't as open to user configuration / customization as others. The company philosophy seems to be "Our way is so easy, you won't need to do it any other way". That's great and all, but what if I don't want to do it your way? I've hated iTunes since it first came out with it's proprietary music file format that forced limitations on how many times you could copy the file. I realize they now offer DRM-free MP3s as well, but the damage has been done for me- I'm strongly anti-Apple.


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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: November 13 2009 at 07:42
Originally posted by mono mono wrote:

I have OS X on my iMac, and Ubuntu and XP on my laptop.
XP just killed  me (crashes, crashes.... lost a few projects like that), and I just can't find everything I need with Ubuntu (for sound, DAWs, plugins, standalone software...).
So.......Mac!
Not only by default, I happen to like it a lot.
Ahh, when you turn on your computer and can actually use it less than 5 minutes after, it just feels good (it actually takes around 20seconds to become fully operational!).

hmmm, what are you comparing here? a 1.3GHz dual boot Celeron laptop against a 2GHz dual-core desktop perhaps? Even if both were PC based the desktop would win.
 
My XP Laptop boots in <20 seconds.


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