Sacha Baron Cohen
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Topic: Sacha Baron Cohen
Posted By: The Pessimist
Subject: Sacha Baron Cohen
Date Posted: July 21 2009 at 12:24
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I don't know how many of his fans are lurking this site, but I am one of them. I think the guy is a genius, although many would disagree. All three of his characters tickle my ribs like no other. But which one is your favourite? For me it's Ali G. ------------- "Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value." Arnold Schoenberg |
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: July 21 2009 at 12:36
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He is great! Those who disagree, generally, do not get it or are just turned off.... Which I could understand. My favorite is Borat, but Ali G is great as well. Bruno is not bad, havn't seen the movie yet though. |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: July 21 2009 at 12:41
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I don't get it and/or am just turned off. ------------- 
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: July 21 2009 at 12:44
 I did say generally... perhaps I should've said the rest just find him stupid. |
rushfan4 wrote:Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: July 21 2009 at 12:48
| I like him. All his charcters are very funny, but Borat is my favourite. I've always liked offensive humour. If it's funny and satirical, all the better. |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: July 21 2009 at 12:50
Agreed. And for me if it involves politics and/or religion well then it's golden! In Borat I ALMOST felt bad for all those people in the church who thought they were seeing some miracle, they'll probably never know they all were taken completely for a ride.... |
Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: July 21 2009 at 13:51
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Saw Bruno yesterday. Quite funny and, shall I say, 'interesting', though definetly not as good as Borat, which is what I voted for. ------------- 
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Posted By: fusionfreak
Date Posted: July 21 2009 at 13:56
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I really enjoyed Borat and would have liked to see Ali G.Tomorrow Bruno will be released in France,I think I will go to the movies.In France,it was "hyped" by a great satirical TV broadcast called Groland Magzine(the best!)thanks to Jules Edouard Moustic. ------------- I was born in the land of Mahavishnu,not so far from Kobaia.I'm looking for the world of searchers with the help from crimson king |
Posted By: Certif1ed
Date Posted: July 21 2009 at 14:32
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Ali G was brilliant. Borat was just a "shock" version - I don't like that sort of humour. The little I've seen of Bruno is enough to convince me that I won't like it. ------------- The important thing is not to stop questioning. |
Posted By: g0rd0nb0mbay
Date Posted: July 21 2009 at 14:37
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Seen Bruno twice in the last week, hands down the most offensive film i've seen. And ive never laughed so much in the cinema!
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: July 21 2009 at 14:52
Better than Borat? Most have told me it's good but doesn't compare. |
Posted By: g0rd0nb0mbay
Date Posted: July 21 2009 at 14:59
I found it to be better than Borat, the films are similar in premise but the quality of how he exposes people and their views is delivered in a much more humorous manner in Bruno. Also it has better 'shock comedy' elements. Its definately not a case of 'if youve seen borat youve seen bruno' as although the style is similar the delivery is not. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/g0rd0nb0mbay/?chartstyle=basicrt10">
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Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: July 21 2009 at 15:01
That interview is in my top 5 moments in comedy, no joke. They honestly had nowhere to turn ------------- "Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value." Arnold Schoenberg |
Posted By: martinprog77
Date Posted: July 21 2009 at 22:40
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Borat is my favourite.
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: July 21 2009 at 23:00
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Just saw Bruno. Good, but not as good as Borat in my opinion. It had the essentials: satire, making fun of politicians, ( I ALMOST felt bad for Ron Paul) and yet again, they did a great job of making people look completely stupid. However, I wish it was a little more subtle, like Borat was. Also this movie was a lot more shock value. Good overall. Borat is still the best! Also: The guy has some nerve. I couldn't believe what he did in Borat but he spoke to a f*cking terrorist leader and said your leader osama looks like a dirty santa.  |
Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: July 21 2009 at 23:53
| Bruno is by far my least favorite while Borat can do no wrong! Ali G I guess then, is in the middle. xD |
Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: July 22 2009 at 00:17
What he said. There were a couple points I laughed at in both Borat and Bruno, but overall I can't say I found them very exciting. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Salty_Jon" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: BLITZKRIEG
Date Posted: July 22 2009 at 00:23
| This guy is a legend. Ali G is my favourite. Being watching his videos for the past 1 month. Hilarious. |
Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: July 22 2009 at 04:37
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Ali G anyday...
Bruno was good, basically Borat re-hashed again though. ------------- 
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: July 22 2009 at 13:45
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I don't get it....I just don't like the guy's sense of humor. -------------  |
Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: July 22 2009 at 14:52
Same here, I'm afraid. I think he is a completely unfunny little t**ser who simply parodies and stereotypes peoples and people in the most unfunny way. Satire is fine - I've read Private Eye for many years, but good satire has to be funny and cutting. His is neither.  ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: July 22 2009 at 15:01
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Posted By: TheProgtologist
Date Posted: July 22 2009 at 17:09
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That is my main problem,I find his brand of humor extremely juvenile. ------------- |
Posted By: el dingo
Date Posted: July 22 2009 at 17:45
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Ali G on UK TV when he started was fresh and funny - In Da House one of the biggest disappointments ever. Borat on TV nothing special - great Movie tho. Not seen Bruno yet but if it's all gay stereotyping and fashion in-jokes I guess i won't bother. Voted Ali G for the early TV stuff ------------- It's not that I can't find worth in anything, it's just that I can't find worth in enough. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 22 2009 at 18:21
So is some of my sense of humor. Loved his Alli G interview with Andy Rooney, who so did not get it. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: July 22 2009 at 19:02
Yeah, I find it juvenile at times. But I thinks it's a great bit of fun that strays away from the not-so-juvenile things blotting out my life at the moment  ------------- "Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value." Arnold Schoenberg |
Posted By: fusionfreak
Date Posted: July 23 2009 at 08:30
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I went to see Bruno last evening and I really enjoyed it:I like his way to play with clichés and be politically incorrect.I spent the whole film laughing moreover such film is welcome in sad times like this! ------------- I was born in the land of Mahavishnu,not so far from Kobaia.I'm looking for the world of searchers with the help from crimson king |
Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: July 27 2009 at 09:45
Very intelligent comedy in a kind of perverse way lol I like Borat and Bruno.I never cared for Ali G maybe because every chav in my school quoted him word for word for about five years They never understood irony.
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Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: July 27 2009 at 11:01
I still quote him  "'Ere me now ye batties!" And wow, chav Haven't heard that one on the Archives before, you must be from England  ------------- "Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value." Arnold Schoenberg |
Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: July 27 2009 at 11:32
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Yep lol *looks to window and sees grey clouds To be honest I'm quite surprised any Americans would like Cohen,but then I suppose the latter of Bruno & Borat are based in America. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/cozfunkel/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: July 27 2009 at 11:49
Just looked and saw Devon... I'm going down there in a week's time  But since you looked out and saw grey clouds, I don't think I'll be expecting a change in weather. It's just rained here Nah for real though (I use that one a lot nowadays), I'm quite surprised at Americans liking Ali G. There's a lot of Brit humour in there ------------- "Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value." Arnold Schoenberg |
Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: July 27 2009 at 12:06
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O right where are you going to? All I can recommend is various cider,ales and folk music.
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Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: July 27 2009 at 12:45
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Dunno where abouts because it's practically in the middle of nowhere Just coming down to visit a friend as you do... Are they hot on folk music down there? Cos I like a bit of folk me ------------- "Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value." Arnold Schoenberg |
Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: July 27 2009 at 13:19
Ahh, so he appeals to Europeans, like that highbrow comedian Benny Hill.  ------------- Trust me. I know what I'm doing. |
Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: July 27 2009 at 14:01
I never said he was highbrow and I'm pretty sure you ripped that off a family guy sketch lol I don't think he's to "intelligent" for Americans.It's more purely Ali G is one of many British stereotypes,though to be honest the stereotypes of Cockney Youths are completely influenced by American gangster culture.In my eyes you had Bill Hicks,we had Monty Python.Both I treasure deeply. But I won't forgive you for Dane Cook............That I can't do. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/cozfunkel/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 27 2009 at 22:25
Yackity Sax baby!!! ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Failcore
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 03:00
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Cohen can be a little juvenile at times, but ultimately his humor is about destroying this perception people have of us living in an enlightened age. He's proving that deep down, were still the same dim-witted cavemen we were 50000 years ago. And that to me, is the biggest joke of all. All this technology and modern society; it's like letting a chimpanzee play with a handgun. ------------- 
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Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 04:17
Well said. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/cozfunkel/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 07:19
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 07:23
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I love them all really. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: npjnpj
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 07:36
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Nothing for me either.
My main problem is that he just presents variations of only a handful of ideas.
I have the same problem with Little Britain.
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Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 10:26
I think predominantly I just thought Ali G's catchphrases were a great mockery of teenage gang culture in England, but now I look more into it, all three completely humiliate the people that are a bit stuck up and show out their true colours. I don't think many people can pull that off well these days. ------------- "Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value." Arnold Schoenberg |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 11:16
| Yeah, I'm always a fan of making people look like idiots, and Cohen is one of the best. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 12:04
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Grab a camera, make a fool of yourself, be rude and gross... and people will love it... A sign of the times I guess.... There's no need anymore for intelligent humour.... ------------- 
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Posted By: Failcore
Date Posted: July 28 2009 at 12:59
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Seems like your confusing his stuff with the like of punk'd and other crap shows. Nothing illustrates what Cohen is trying to do better than Borat yelling "We support your war of terror!!!" and "May US&A kill every last terrorist" while the crowd applauds wildly. -------------
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Posted By: Okocha
Date Posted: July 29 2009 at 09:49
| Sasha is crap... |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 29 2009 at 11:24
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http://imgsrv.gocomics.com/dim/?fh=0e50519a850f565430a21473af701612&w=900.0"> v v v That was really good. |
Posted By: Failcore
Date Posted: July 29 2009 at 13:20
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DId you see Shatner reading her resignation speech. Hilarious! On a second note a guy on one site had a theory that she was a dadaist because her speeches are so incomprehensible. Now that I think about it, I can totally see the Captain belting out some Palin.
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Posted By: keiser willhelm
Date Posted: July 29 2009 at 15:40
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bruno made me physically ill. possibly the worst movie i have ever seen, though it had its moments. just kinda repeated the same shtick as borat only much fouler and not nearly as funny. on the other hand, i loved borat. im kinda meh about him on the whole ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/KeiserWillhelm" rel="nofollow - What im listening to |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 29 2009 at 17:27
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: July 29 2009 at 18:06
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Well I dont think ANYone, (who is sane) actually expects Cohen movies to change anyones viewpoints. Those that enjoy them, (generally) will already be open minded about such topics. People who hate gays well, of course they'll hate the movie but they wouldn't like it anyway. His work is not for everyone, that's for sure. |
Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: July 29 2009 at 22:14
Not really.unfortunately I just heard it was a stereotype round Cornwall and Devon to see folk bands.Down here we still have the same crap cover bands as I expect the rest of England does.I want to to even this post out with some positivity about Devon but I can't think of any.Ah ha!The country side is good.......muddy.....but good. And speaking of Cohen the chavs,hoodys etc here are exceptionaly funny.Exactly like the ones in hot fuzz.you've never seen something as funny as someone for Devon speaking like X zibit. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/cozfunkel/" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: July 29 2009 at 22:46
True. Now, we established he will not change people's minds, so his work doesn't really have any redeeming value from that side. As a display of story-telling art, is garbage. What is it, then? A desire to shock, to impress by disgust, in a society where every day it's easier to impress people just by being rude and un-civil.
The destruction of cinema. Stories are gone. -------------
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: July 29 2009 at 23:14
It is satire. And don't even give me the BS that is too obvious or not subtle enough. Also, the point is too make people look stupid. If it's not your thing then cool, but I enjoy seeing people looking like fools. I will admit, Bruno was a bit too out there. There was NO subtlety to it, it was more shock value. But as I've said it's my least favorite. Borat was some great satire in my opinion, and I ALMOST felt bad for some of the fools in that movie and he did it without, well being shock oriented, (entirely). And Ali G was making fun of wannabe gangsta's. What's not to enjoy. Anyway, enough with this thread. People will hate/misunderstand/be weirded out but I like Cohen very much. Bruno was meh....but his other 2 persona's were great! Besides the more controversy he causes, whether it is on a global level or here on PA, it all just feeds the troll of Mr. Cohen. He is win. |
Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: July 30 2009 at 08:54
I dunno dude, I thikn people just find it generally funny. I do for one. I could go deeper into it but there really isn't any point. It's the same reason I laugh at silly shows like Banzai. It's just humour. Family Guy has no plot either but it can be utterly hilarious. ------------- "Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value." Arnold Schoenberg |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: July 30 2009 at 11:40
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Exactly. I know we're proggers so EVERYTHING must be intelligent but seriously....sometimes dumb funny is, well funny. Gotta have some things simple. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 30 2009 at 13:07
That's the one with the shaking hands dude right? By the way, when it comes to shows that involve ordinary people for comedic purposes, the short-lived Insomniac with Dave Attell reigns supreme.  ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Failcore
Date Posted: July 30 2009 at 16:41
 Please, cinema will be destroyed by meat head sh*t like Crank and Fast and Furious and stupid slasher movies like TCM or The Unborn (seriously, movie with creepy kid that kills ppl, that never happens ) long before it's threatened by the likes of Cohen. In fact I'd venture to say his stuff has more of a plot than the aforementioned genres.-------------
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: July 30 2009 at 17:26
Thank you! Yeah, this is just the T being his usual self. I mean to say this is the destruction of cinema and story telling? I think that's been happening for a long time.... And Bruno had no subtlety....However, Borat... I still don't see how that one is "obvious" Whatever, like I said Cohen is awesome. And honestly....I'm not really going to listen to many of the people on here, since....well everyone tries to show how "different" they are and hate everything. Like I said...all this debate, even in a negative way, is just feeding the troll that is Cohen. Again, the man has won! |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: July 30 2009 at 21:54
What the hell is the problem with you? That you have to defend your actor and that I criticized him, even if wrongly according to you, doesn't mean you have to say that. What the hell do you imply?
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: July 30 2009 at 22:00
Ok, cinema is alreayd being destroyed by other kind of things, I give you that. The movies you mention are stupid, popcorn-movies (sometimes even these movies can be amusing, some of them at least). Substitute the explosions and the special effects of those ones with the insults and the shock value of your beloved genius and we have movies that still work thorugh the same organ: the stomach. IN MY VIEW. Or,according to Lehto, ME BEING MY USUAL SELF.
What I don't like is that it brings movies one step closer to "reality cinema". Maybe it's just me... I still prefer movies with plot, even dumb ones, to anything like Borat, which actually was quite better than the most recent one.
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: July 30 2009 at 22:03
Mr Lehto: I love stupid, simple things. I love most simple stupid muswic more than most of the over-complicated prog some people adore. I love stupidity. I just think Cohen PLAINLY SUCKS. Can you accept different tastes in stupidity as well as you accept different views in politics?
I hate intellectual wannabes as much as you... but it doesn't mean I have to like every stupid thing there is out...
EDIT: I guess I better leave this Cohen-appreciation thread. My mistake to come in.
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Posted By: Failcore
Date Posted: July 31 2009 at 13:04
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Intellecectual wannabes, wow concieted much?
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Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: July 31 2009 at 13:39
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I'm staying out of this one...
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Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: July 31 2009 at 13:39
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The T is entitled to an opinion though, just like the rest of us. No need to get aggressive.
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: July 31 2009 at 14:12
Maybe maybe, Mr Smith, or "arrogant proggie" as you call yourself -------------
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Posted By: Failcore
Date Posted: July 31 2009 at 15:39
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Ok truce, I'm getting way too serious over a trivial topic here. I call myself arrogant proggie cuz evidently that's the stereotype and I wouldn't want to let people down by not fulfillign it.  -------------
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: July 31 2009 at 22:50
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guess I'll have to see one of these if only to have an opinion, been avoiding his movies as for stupidity in cinema, I imagine in their time Python got criticized for just that, ironic |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: July 31 2009 at 22:52
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Well, T guess we're in trouble with the law now! But seriously dude, sorry. Not sure what's been up with me, I'm guessing summer boredom and WAY too much time on the internet. Anyway, that whole thing outta hand, my bad. |
Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: July 31 2009 at 22:54
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Did anyone else notice BRUNO felt and seemed way more set up than BORAT?? -------------
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Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: July 31 2009 at 22:58
Yes. That is one reason I loved Borat so much. The poor b*****ds had no clue.... Obviously, some were staged but most of it was just...what we saw. Not the same in Bruno. Especially that part with the child photo shoot. At first we were laughing.....but as it went it was so fake. I thought maybe it was just edited in a way to make them look sick....but it had to have been set up. |
Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: July 31 2009 at 23:22
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 01 2009 at 09:50
On a totally irrelevant side note, I visited Graceland many years ago and was surprised to find out that Elvis was a big fan of the Holy Grail movie. I'm not making this up. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: August 01 2009 at 18:15
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Peace. -------------
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Posted By: Failcore
Date Posted: August 01 2009 at 18:18
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Love
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