Portnoys Growls ?
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Topic: Portnoys Growls ?
Posted By: Yorkie X
Subject: Portnoys Growls ?
Date Posted: July 14 2009 at 00:55
I think they really work further more I think portnoy is getting good at doing these types of vocals and it should be encouraged in moderation. 
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Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: July 14 2009 at 01:43
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I don't consider them growling, but anyway. They don't improve the song but neither do they destroy it despite being a bit of an ear sore. Did not vote. ------------- http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=42652" rel="nofollow - It's on PA! 
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Posted By: frbassdevil
Date Posted: July 14 2009 at 02:04
Ditto! It seems to me a bit out of place. Maybe Portnoy should let Petrucci do these kind of vocals. Works a lot better with him (hence The Glass Prison). |
Keppa4v wrote:Posted By: camilleanne
Date Posted: July 14 2009 at 06:56
I like Portnoy's growls....
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: July 14 2009 at 08:27
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Laughable. ------------- 
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Posted By: LiquidEternity
Date Posted: July 14 2009 at 09:09
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Those aren't growls, you dorks. He uploaded an audio sample of him actually growling before Petrucci decided he didn't like how heavy that was and made him speak emphatically instead. Now, he's no champion growler, but I think they sounded better than the final product. I enjoy Dream Theater, but I'm not a huge fan anymore. Nevertheless, Portnoy is way too often sl*gged for trying new things. Good Lord, just shove that man back into his niche and make them write more Metropolis songs... ...Wait. Does that word mean something I don't know? Why did it edit it? ------------- 
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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: July 14 2009 at 09:13
| Growls and mustache would make him a perfect singer IMNHO. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: July 14 2009 at 09:17
Wetgher they be growls or not(not!) I like 'em! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Scoppioingola
Date Posted: July 14 2009 at 09:54
Spot-on. |
Posted By: rpe9p
Date Posted: July 14 2009 at 10:01
| I cant believe anyone would answer yes, im astounded that option is leading the poll |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: July 14 2009 at 10:11
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This time I agree. They're terrible. Good thing they last like 10 seconds.
They are neither angry scream or true growling. They're just a guy trying to test his vocal chords probably after too much of something.. ------------- 
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Posted By: LiquidEternity
Date Posted: July 14 2009 at 10:19
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Again, silly gooses. Geese. A Nightmare to Remember has NO growls in it. John Petrucci specifically told Portnoy NOT to growl. This is just emphatic speaking. Y'all are ridiculous.
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: July 14 2009 at 10:26
I'm not....I agree wid ya! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: horsewithteeth11
Date Posted: July 14 2009 at 11:45
Seconded. I don't think some people understand what true "growling" is (no offense meant to anyone). I tend to think of growling as something more associated with certain extreme genres of metal. Portnoy does have some really raw singing from time to time, like on Nightmare, but it's faaaaaaaar from growling. ------------- 
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Posted By: KingCrimson250
Date Posted: July 14 2009 at 11:46
Are you serious? That part of The Glass Prison has got to be the most laughable thing the band has ever done. I honestly cannot listen to it without cracking up. It is just so over-the-top and ridiculous, not to mention pretty poor sounding. I haven't listened to BC&SL yet though so I can't comment on the poll, except to say that the prospect of Portnoy growling (okay, fine, speaking emphatically) isn't one that makes me want to rush out and buy the album. |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: July 14 2009 at 12:07
------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: July 14 2009 at 12:11
Just like Geddy doesn't rap during Roll the Bones. It's a "spoken word" part. Whatever... -------------
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: July 14 2009 at 12:11
What is this a linguistics discussion? You know what the OP means by growls. The question is whether you like it or not. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: July 14 2009 at 12:17
The guy in your avatar needs a bigger piano. -------------
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: July 14 2009 at 12:25
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Are you suggest that John Cage do something ordinary?????@??!?!?!? ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: July 14 2009 at 12:38
I don't know him, so the answer is no. Seems like quite the character. -------------
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Posted By: Roland113
Date Posted: July 14 2009 at 12:45
He could try growling like Mike Portnoy. I'm just sayin' PS: Yeah, I know Liquid Eternity, I just wanted to give you another chance to rant  ------------- -------someone please tell him to delete this line, he looks like a noob------- I don't have an unnatural obsession with Disney Princesses, I have a fourteen year old daughter and coping mechanisms. |
Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: July 14 2009 at 12:54
OMG!! -------------
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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: July 14 2009 at 13:28
Portnoy is a groundhog and doesn't growl!
But he has a baseball bat
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Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: July 14 2009 at 13:34
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At least you can understand what he's saying.
Unlike that "throwing up into your throat" sound that ruins most death metal.
To me, barf vocals seems like an excuse for not being able to come up with a decent melody. ------------- Trust me. I know what I'm doing. |
Posted By: Plankowner
Date Posted: July 14 2009 at 13:36
| I'd rather not hear him growl. |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: July 14 2009 at 13:41
Oh believe me I know what growling is and I'm sure most people here know it, too. In a way Portnoy's horrible "emphatic speaking" as one of you called it may not be actual growling in the strictest sense of the word (if we ever find a musical-ready definition of that word) but what else could we call it then? Portnoy in the bathroom with constipation? Portnoy angry? Portnoy upset? Is just terrible, tragic growling.
For true growling, check Amorphis' latest. Or check any Incantation, Benediction, Deicide album. Or any of more than wo82938279372837190`92- bands that play extreme metal today.
Portnoy's growling is neither deep growling nor the ridiculous screamo-growling of modern metalcore bands... Is the nothingness of all nothingness...
wrong experiment -------------
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Posted By: Roland113
Date Posted: July 14 2009 at 14:24
Portnoy Hulk? ------------- -------someone please tell him to delete this line, he looks like a noob------- I don't have an unnatural obsession with Disney Princesses, I have a fourteen year old daughter and coping mechanisms. |
Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: July 14 2009 at 14:34
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Leave it to Opeth Porty, their the only ones who can make growls sound like singing. ------------- http://blindpoetrecords.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow">  
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Posted By: frbassdevil
Date Posted: July 14 2009 at 16:01
Yeah, I'm serious. Well, that's just a matter of opinion. Some people (like me) are fine with that part while some do not. I think the same thing happens with Portnoy's vocals on A Nightmare to Remember. I personally like that part of The Glass Prison way more than Portnoy's attempt at harsh singing. Petrucci at least sound more convincing to my ears. But as I said before, it's just personal taste. In fact, it's hard to explain. I found Portnoy's vocals to be out of place on ANTR, but I like when he does that on The Shattered Fortress. Two different songs, the same vocal style, and for me it works in just one of them. If you ask me about the most laughable thing the band has ever done I'd say that would be the robot-like vocals in the chorus of Burning My Soul. |
Posted By: LiquidEternity
Date Posted: July 14 2009 at 16:42
Just so y'all know, as much as I might sound like I'm defending the vocals... I'm not. I hate them. But then A Nightmare to Remember is the second weakest song on the new album, right behind A Rite of Passage. Everything else is much better. -------------
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Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: July 14 2009 at 18:26
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After giving the album a couple listens, I have to say that the 'growling' on the album certainly isn't growling. It's just shouting basically, though a bit harsher. I don't care for them in any event.
Though I sort of like the growl element in the chorus of "Count of Tuscany" even though I really don't care for the chorus to that song, or the song in general anyways. ------------- 
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Posted By: Zitro
Date Posted: July 14 2009 at 19:13
| Honestly, I preferred the real 'growls' from the link you posted. They worked better with the song, and the instrumentation seemed better as well: it included organs. |
Posted By: JayDee
Date Posted: July 14 2009 at 19:26
I'd rather not hear him sing at all. He should stick with his sticks.  Still love the band though.------------- 
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Posted By: mistertorture
Date Posted: July 14 2009 at 22:52
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1) Is not growling, that is clear. 2) I don't like it, and I don't like any of the two alternate versions either. While MP singing is not technically good, it never bothered me before (well maybe a little in TDET), this time he sounds more forced than ever, and I think the vocal line itself is poor, and what's even more important in this case, the lyrics are terrible in that part (as in many parts on the album), making MP sound even worse. "It's a miracle he lived, is a blessing no one died, by the grace of god above, everyone survived..... uuuuuuhhhhhhh". JP you can do better than that. 3) Also, the second "uuuuuuuhhhhh" doesn't help a bit.  4) I love DT, and to me growling and pissed-off-harsh singing like this doesn't belong in DT's music, it sounds forced and unnatural in the DT environment, I hardly think Rudess or Myung likes that kind of singing either (not to mention James). 5) But hey!!! luckly it doesn't last for long! well, then we have bits in The Count Of Tuscany, with exactly all the features listed in point 2 DT: get rid of this artifacts, please. -------------  
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Posted By: Plankowner
Date Posted: July 14 2009 at 22:58
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Posted By: rpe9p
Date Posted: July 14 2009 at 23:51
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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: July 15 2009 at 04:42
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Can't see what the fuss is about. Its fine. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: July 15 2009 at 07:21
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They should have had a guest vox spot if they wanted a growl. -------------
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Posted By: Flucktrot
Date Posted: July 15 2009 at 12:27
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Thank you rpe9P--that was the funniest thing I've heard in days. I got no problem with Portnoy being creative and trying new things, but that sequence is a perfect storm of cheese: Hilariously tame lyrics, the generic quarter note delivery, and all topped off with a gigantic spew at the end! ------------- Thank you, God of Rock, for this chance to kick ass |
Posted By: Proggy Pogo
Date Posted: July 19 2009 at 13:30
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Portnoy can growl at me anytime he likes ......!
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