John Coltrane for Jazz Fusion?
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Topic: John Coltrane for Jazz Fusion?
Posted By: J-Man
Subject: John Coltrane for Jazz Fusion?
Date Posted: July 10 2009 at 20:47
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Alright, we have (and have had) Miles Davis on the archives for a while now, but where's Coltrane? Albums like Blue Train with the extended improvisation scream Jazz Fusion to me, just like Miles Davis' Kind of Blue. Just a suggestion.... ------------- 
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: July 10 2009 at 21:01
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Miles Davis didn't get in for Kind of Blue. It was his Jazz/Rock of later albums, such as Bitches Brew that got him in. Remember, it's not just about jazz fusion, it should be jazz-rock fusion. I love Coltrane's music, and do have the desire to eventually see him in here (perhaps in a special non-rock Prog category for artists who influenced prog artists, and has connections with prog) , but I don't think at this stage this site is ready for it yet. He's a progressive jazz artist, but I don't see him as a progressive jazz-rock artist. Incidentally, we had another discussion on it here: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50964 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50964 |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 10 2009 at 21:04
Still, we have Proto-Prog and Prog-Related, maybe we could open up a Jazz section... Kind Of Blue really screams Jazz to me.  ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: July 10 2009 at 21:05
Coltrane is more progressive than at least 3/4 of the artists here, but he doesn't have much to do with prog besides Christian Vander's fanboyism.
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: July 10 2009 at 21:10
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I guess I'd start by saying there is a difference between the modern jazz/progressive jazz of Coltrane and the Fusion ('jazz fusion') of Miles Davis.. modern jazz by it's nature was spontaneously progressive and, at times, progressive as a movement in say Brubeck, Schuller, Giuffre, three artists whose work was as or more progressive than John Coltrane's.. Coltrane may have been a progressive player, but the bulk of his work never really got into 'fusion' as we understand it, a certainly not a fusion of Jazz and Rock just my opinion of course |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: July 10 2009 at 21:31
| Never-the-less, I know that I'd be delighted to one day discover that John Coltrane and Ornette Coleman had been added. |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: July 10 2009 at 21:39
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I've been pushing for Albert Ayler personally. He recorded fusion right before he died! ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: July 10 2009 at 21:49
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If anything, I think 'Trane's influence on certain subgenres of prog is undeniable. Would proto-prog make sense?
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: July 10 2009 at 22:04
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^^Albert Ayler is very good! ^ I don't really see Coltrane in proto-prog because he was not really a proto-progressive jazz-rock artist. It's true that he's influenced many in Prog (far more than Vander). But speaking of Vander, I've also long wished for another of his influences to be in: Stockhausen. |
Posted By: Stooge
Date Posted: July 10 2009 at 22:34
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Proto-fusion would be more appropriate , but sticking to current genre catgories I see no room for 'Trane on PA.
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Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: July 10 2009 at 23:44
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The big difference between Coltrane and Miles is that Miles made a lot of progressive avant psychedelic ROCK records (Agharta, Big Fun etc). Coltrane never did that. Our Jazz Rock section still maintains a relationship with Progressive Rock and it's many roots and branches.
When it looks like the site's definition of what falls under the large umbrella of related to progressive rock has expanded that far, then Coltrane may be added, but by then I would also expect to see Bob Dylan, The Beach Boys and Stevie Wonder as well. Before we even think of expanding to Coltrane, Ornette Coleman would come first because of his several progressive jazz rock records and big influence on Crimson, Gentle Giant, Henry Cow etc. |
Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: July 11 2009 at 00:50
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Proto Prog are 60's artists like Deep Purple, The Who, The Doors, Jefferson Airplane, Beatles, Vanilla Fudge and
of course: John Coltrane! It makes no sense, and it would be an embarrassing insult to a musical genius. I also think Ornette Coleman and Albert Ayler don't fit Jazzrock-fusion at all, but maybe I'm wrong. The 70's Coleman I've heard is still mainly free jazz/avantgarde, but sometimes with guitars. And Ayler recorded with rockartists, but atleast on Music Is The Healing Force Of The Universe, its simply a terrible bluesjam. If I heard some band playing Drudgery in a bar, I would leave the place (even if I just ordered my drink). Do we really want these avantgarde jazz artists that simply don't belong here, so bad? Is any illplaced guitartwang or just a couple of recorded tracks with a dull, stomping rockdrum right before they died or went back to the style they were known for, is enough to consider them? However Jeremy Stieg, Wayne Shorter, Mal Waldron, Herbie Mann, William S Fischer, Masabuma Kikuchi, Eddie Henderson, Donald Byrd, Julian Priester, Joachim Kuhn mm.. (successfully) recorded several jazzrockfusion albums during late 60's - early 70's, comparable to early 70's Terje Rypdal, Miles Davis, Herbie Hancock and many other artists included for the right reasons. ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: July 11 2009 at 03:14
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^ Ornette's invovement with jazz rock was far more than fleeting, but still, I don't see him coming on PA anytime soon. Of the artists you mention, look for Priester and Shorter soon, maybe some of the others. Unfortunately the Eddie Henderson discography carries a little too much filler for now.
Re Drudgery, I love that song, so raw and obtuse, a real one of a kind, but I doubt you'll ever see it on PA. |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: July 11 2009 at 03:42
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Which jazz artist didn't play jazz-fusion in the seventies ? I think we should consider creating a separate website called JazzArchives... ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: July 11 2009 at 03:45
Ok, so you love it, but one of a kind? ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: July 11 2009 at 04:16
deja vu -- forum_posts.asp?TID=50964 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50964 |
Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: July 11 2009 at 04:22
The Shorter as in Wayne Shorter? Woo-hoo!!  |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: July 11 2009 at 07:28
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In terms of my proto prog comment, it's not because he's similar to The Who, The Beatles, Iron Butterfly, etc., but because it influenced prog before it existed. Maybe we should have a new genre like proto-proto-prog
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Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: July 11 2009 at 09:24
^ And the next step will be to add Bach, Vivaldi, Wagner etc.  ------------- Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour) |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: July 11 2009 at 09:33
... and then we'll get where we actually wanted to arrive: at the Gregorian Chant 
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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: July 11 2009 at 09:35
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Coltrane. Yes, of course. Guys, drop the pot. As if the presences of Miles Davis or John Zorn weren't controversial enough, some of you plan to include a (great) musician who NEVER had any connection with the rock music scene? He may have influenced some rock musicians, but he never crossed the line. I wonder if he would have even crossed it if he lived a bit longer. I think the choice of artists to include into PA should be 'restricted' to artists or bands belonging to the rock scene. As an example, I can understand the inclusion of Zorn's Naked City, but not Masada or his other Jazz and Free Jazz bands. |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: July 11 2009 at 16:14
Nope. That's proto-proto-proto prog. -------------
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: July 11 2009 at 23:58
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Rocktopus, I wasn't being serious about Albert Ayler. ;-)
Masada may not have as much to do with rock as Naked City and Six Litanies for Helioglabus, but it's still John Zorn so we have to add them. And I don't think Miles was all that controversial except for the problem of how to review an album like Kind of Blue. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: July 12 2009 at 02:27
This is commonly called "classical music"  http://www.classicalarchives.com/ - http://www.classicalarchives.com/ more than 7800 artists to add if you want to compete with them !------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: Kazuhiro
Date Posted: July 12 2009 at 21:45
| A position a little far from Prog Rock might include the album by which Coltrane participated and the album, etc. that he announced in the fall of life if it thinks about the overall music though it might be certainly related. However, I like performance of Coltrane. |
Posted By: LiquidEternity
Date Posted: July 12 2009 at 22:07
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I can see why he wouldn't be included because, unlike Herbie Hancock and Miles Davis, there's never any rock or fusion in his music. However, as far as any musician goes, he was a greatly progressive mastermind. His late era stuff is wonderful. Put him in, I'll review a few. Or we could just link to JazzArchives. ------------- 
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: July 12 2009 at 23:37
ah yes never went through with that.... ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm 
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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: July 13 2009 at 05:38
I understood that, I just examplified how absurd that way of thinking is. While were at it, why not make complete fools of ourself and add Karlheinz Stockhausen and Bela Bartok in proto prog too? Now the experts of 20th century avantgarde have to rewrite history, because most of them were actually protoprog.
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: July 13 2009 at 16:34
I was joking about the proto prog comment, Rocktopus
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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: July 13 2009 at 17:02
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The big qualification for prog rock is the rock aspect. Davis got in because of his jazz rock / fusion releases. That he is a big influence on prog rock just based on his more "traditional" jazz output is was not even considered. After all, Rocktopus' point about composers being candidates is a good example as to what would be involved in including a musical act or artist based on their influence. Or to take a side trip - Robert Johnson was a big influence on much of what is called "classic rock". But he is a blues musician. Not a rocker. Of course, the thing is that the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame is run by David Fricke and a bunch of others who can't stop wanting to add a sheen of artistic merit & cultural heft to the place that is supposed to worship a music that was for a long time the "anti-thesis" of all that academic clique. ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: July 13 2009 at 19:52
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progrocker2244 i see that you recently put controversial additions (Metallica), instead of other great prog groups. The rules by the PA book says that the Coltrane adittion must do a special collab and evaluate the admin team.
So, you are not a SC so we can wait to some SC do the proposal.
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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: July 13 2009 at 19:53
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Any contenders, Lucas for example? ------------- |
Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: July 15 2009 at 04:20
Is this also a joke? ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: July 15 2009 at 08:16
If Kind of Blue is considered Jazz/Rock Fusion (and a highly acclaimed album in the genre), Blue Train should be considered jazz fusion as well IMO. -------------
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Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: July 15 2009 at 08:20
| ^ please read the previous posts, Miles isn't here because of Kind of Blue (which is a jazz record that is included because it is part of the full Miles discography). He's here because of progressive avant psychedelic ROCK records like Agharta, Big Fun, Get Up With It, Dark Magus etc. |
Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: July 16 2009 at 16:53
I's sorry, but have you ever actually listened to Kind of Blue, or did you just look at the Jazzrock/Fusion section here? Its highly acclaimed, but certainly not as a jazzrock/fusion album. That's just a PA flaw. ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: July 16 2009 at 18:25
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R, it's not a flaw. It's in keeping with PA's policy of including a musician's entire discography once they are added to our database. This was put in place fully aware of what could happen with some (heck many) prog acts that have had a lasting career. The one shot wonders, on the other hand, could rest easy in purity with their sole shot at putting out a record.
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: July 16 2009 at 19:04
It's a flaw in the sense that it causes confusion. Although have to question if he's heard Kind of Blue all the way through, because not hearing it is the only way I could imagine one would think it's Fusion. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: July 16 2009 at 19:24
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debrewguy; very well articulated Henry P; I agree Kind of Blue is not Fusion, progressive jazz maybe, but it raises interesting points; if someone who's not heard KoB assumes it is a true Fusion album rather than just the typical 'fusions' jazz tended to explore and then discovers it isn't, I suggest 1: it is a learning experience, and 2: a complete discography would be expected in an archives that strives to be complete and accurate, and that Davis' non-Fusion work is in fact significant from a historical perspective relative to JR/F other than that I got nothin |
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: July 17 2009 at 00:20
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Kind of Blue is a major stepping stone towards jazz fusion, plus the style of modal jazz (static chord change, steady groove) emphasized here is the style of jazz favored by most 60s-70s prog rockers when they do that 'jazz section' in the middle of a long 'art-rock suite'. The other big influence on prog-rock 'jazz sections' is some of Jimmy Smith's more high energy output.
Still it's Miles'many psychedelic rock records that got him a place on PA. |
Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: July 17 2009 at 03:45
Yep. I'll just add: The flaw is that the 24 highest rated album of each genre is considered the genres 24 "top albums". And Kind of Blue which is is a modal jazz album made by someone who later fused jazz with rock, is one of the highest rated in Jazzrock-fusion. So representing a genre with the highest rated albums is the flaw I'm thinking about (here), not necessarily including the entire discography. ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: July 17 2009 at 10:17
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Rocky, lacking a barber to split hairs, here goes ... You know very well that many an album in any of PA's "top of" lists has had its' share of detractors who can loudly "prove" that is it not one of the following - 1) it really isn't made up of music from that genre, or is not really that genre; 2) isn't representative of the genre; 3) isn't really progressive: 4) isn't really one of the "top 10/40/100"; 5) isn't a group that is in the proper genre; 6) isn't a group that is representative of the genre; 7) isn't a group that is really progressive; 8) isn't a group that is one of the "top 10/40/100"; 9) or the catch all - it isn't so (right genre / representative / progressive / top ) because I say so. The list, as explained in the description is the top 10/40/100 albums from artists in that genre. Klaatu's Hope is ( I think this is the general consensus) a full blown symphonic prog album. It is not to be found, nor eligible for that list because Klaatu is not included in that genre's database. The list(s), if they were to be determined by your view , Rocky, would be a very interesting assortment of duplicating, contradictory, and essentially a quagmire of never ending explanations and arguements. Example - the Strawbs - Hero & Heroine. Listed as a prog folk group. The album could be said to be symphonic. The album, by some of the people around my neck of the woods back then, is heavy orck / prog. The presence of the Lambert song - It's just Love, could be slotted in crossover prog. The mix of folk, symphonic, heavy AND crossover aspects makes it a good fit for eclectic. NOW ... please explain, in an objective and measurable fashion ... where a PA member or PA itself should put this fine album , i.e. what top x list(s) ? THEN ... please offer the technical formulation necessary to achive a reasonably defensible result that would meet the standards that you seem to want to need to make a popularity contest more "representative" of a genre's best of list. FINALLY ... take the time to read the descriptions of each genre, then how & why an artist's entire discography is included, how votes are tabulated ... then ask, for those who are bothered by these things ... wouldn't they be motivated to read everything available to explain why these lists include or don't include certain albums ... and as such ... why would they bother to argue that the lists don't meet their own criteria, when they are not meant to, Then just go & listen to the damn album, or any album ,for that matter .... it is likely to be more rewarding than chasing a swarm of alley cats' tails ... picky picky picky ... nit nit nanoo nanoo ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: July 17 2009 at 10:39
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Blablabla. Its still a flaw for a specialist site to present a
jazzalbum made in 1959 as an essential progressive jazzrockfusion
album, imo. Its like introducing newbies with a painting from Picasso's
blue period as cubism. If people care or not is irrelevant. A site for
cubist art, (or just art) would never do that. And PA shouldn't confuse
people to believe that Kind of Blue is essential Jazzrockfusion. So because every artists full discography are included, they should change each genre's reccomendations/top albums into something that works better than just ratings.
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Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: July 17 2009 at 10:52
Sorry dude, but Kind of Blue is not a JR/Fusion album, it's only here because of the full discography rule. That's OK, it's a great record and highly influential on fusion and prog-rock. P.S. Saying a circle isn't a square isn't splitting hairs, that's intelligence. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: July 17 2009 at 21:50
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and let's remember most people have the ability to understand these things, appreciate subtleties, and are probably brighter than we tend to think..let's give the casual fan a little bit of credit |
Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: July 17 2009 at 22:14
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nah, we owe to them to make sure everything that is beyond their interest or motivation is parsed and explained in enough detail to make them want to look elsewhere
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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: July 18 2009 at 00:23
I imagine many newbies and progfans use the site to get educated and discover bands and artists they don't know (don't we all?). Most people that stumble over this site does it when they google some Symphonic/70's prog or newer Progmetal-band, and not because they are a casual jazzfan. That's what they eventually will become if they choose to stick around. Its not discrediting to say that unless you're active on the discussion board, or work here, you're most likely not to understand that the 24 albums representing each genre are not considered the classics or the most representative. That's what I used to think, and Progrocker2244 certainly must have thought so too. ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: July 18 2009 at 01:05
Damn straight, your the boss, I'll get right on it! |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: July 18 2009 at 02:10
yes but that example only applies to a very small percentage of artists here, plus it also applies to full prog artists, i.e. Tull's first is hardly more than blues-rock, a new listener might purchase it thinking it's a standard prog album and find out it's simply the humble start of band that would evolve beyond recognition.. which is of course the beauty of prog and fusion, that journey of discovery and growth |
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: July 18 2009 at 06:40
Actually what he's talking about (I think) isn't just every album in JR/F, but the feature albums that come up when you click on a genre name ie JR/F. These feature albums are based on popularity of all members ratings instead of say being picked by the JR/F team or some other method hence an album like Kind of Blue becomes representative of JR/F even though it isn't a JR/F album. No big deal to me cos it's a cool and influential album anyway, but for the sake of clarity in a discussion of no consequence, it isn't a JR/F album. |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: July 18 2009 at 09:41
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The only thing that can give complete clarity on what sub genre an album belongs to is to classify each album by sub genre but I can't begin to imagine the amount of work it would entail for the contributors. Yeah, so...it can cause confusion but at the same time you can read the definition for each sub genre, read the reviews and develop a good understanding of what album is which sub genre. It may not be an assessment that may tally completely with everybody else's understanding but at least adequately to make it easier for you to explore the sub genres further. It would take time but it's possible and considering the time we spend in waiting for our masterpieces to wake up and blow us away as they were promised to , it's not so hard to do the same in the matter of sub genre classification either.
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: July 18 2009 at 10:07
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Rocktopus is right but I don't think there's any viable solution to the problem. We'll just have to put our hopes into the users' knowledge. I mean, how would anyone with the basic notions of rock think an 1959 album could be part of one of rock's subgenres (JazzRock), before rock was properly existing? There are other, more tricky issues, like Hot Rats and many other of Zappa's albums being Avant, The Sky Moves Sideways or Stupid Dream being Heavy Prog, Benefit being Folk, The Wall being Psychedelic/Space Rock, or lots of post 1969 albums being ProtoProg. And this is only from the subgenres top 20! BTW the algorhythm for the subgenres top 20 is very interesting, bringing more unknown albums to the front. There's even one album which is both pretty high in the top 20 and in the unknown gems list at the same time!
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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: July 19 2009 at 04:26
Easymoney has understood me correctly, and of course its no big deal. Life goes on and all that, but so what? A lot of what's discussed on this site, is even less of a big deal.
How can you write that in this actual thread is beyond me. This whole thread, suggesting Coltrane (because Blue Train, from 1957 screams fusion?!) is based on the exact misreading/misunderstanding about Kind of Blue, you think isn't possible. One more time: I only think each genres 24 http://www.progarchives.com/subgenre.asp?style=30 - top albums should be chosen in some other way, than just presenting the ones with the highest ratings (which obviously doesn't work like it should). Its silly to expect that the user's knowledge is enough to ignore incorrect info on PA, as this is a largely place for gaining this kind of knowledge. That's exactly why threadstarter thinks Kind of Blue and (because of that wrong info) Blue Train are both fusion. ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: July 19 2009 at 04:48
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^ your point is valid, but I don't think the process will change, probably the only other way to do things would be to have the JR team pick the representative albums. We're already picking the overlooked gems, so I imagine the representative album method will stay the same.
Kind of Blue does illustrate the 'flaw' with this system, but those cases don't come up often. The only other ones I can think of are some of Zappa's more popular albums being representative of avant-garde rock, which of course they are not. |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: July 19 2009 at 07:36
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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: July 19 2009 at 21:29
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until I get my way, there's no way that the way things are done will be the right way. Popularity - highest ratings - best known ... whatever. This is a fan site, not an academic study group. The notion of most representative albums per genre is great until you find out the others have chosen albums that you don't agree with. And please remember, this is a place to search, to find, to stumble across even ... a place where someone who wants to see what might be considered or included in a genre called progressive rock ... hmmm ... maybe some of us might want to consider just who visits this site and why. So unless PA is being proclaimed by the intelligentsia as the final word and be all and end all for determining what is prog , then we could probably just see PA as a great place to check out whether you're just curious about a band, or a genre; or whether you're looking to dig much deeper to see what treasures you've yet to discover . thus, the top whatever albums are taken for what they are by each person's view of what they think they're getting. Rocky thinks that the lists suck. So what. I'm guessing that he probably has more esoteric tastes than the majority here, and likely has a deep knowledge & interest in the artist(s) that he enjoys. This probably means that "top of" lists aren't what he's looking for, nor needs. But if he's here, then there's surely something else that attracts him to the site. Whatever that is , it's great. It just means that PA caters to more than a small sub-section of prog fans. ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: July 19 2009 at 21:45
I just got word from 'The Intelligentsia' that PA has been 'proclaimed' as the 'final word and be all' and 'end all for determining what is prog' thus ending this argument, good night everyone and sleep tight. P.S. my music tastes are far more esoteric than Roctapus's, thats why he can't appreciate what a fine piece of sludgery is Drudgery, ha ha. |
Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: July 20 2009 at 12:17
Best post ever  ------------- |