Siberian Khatru????What is it????
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Topic: Siberian Khatru????What is it????
Posted By: Dr. Occulator
Subject: Siberian Khatru????What is it????
Date Posted: July 09 2009 at 14:30
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Apart from being a really great Yes song can someone actually tell me what is a Siberian Khatru?
------------- My Doc Told Me I Have Doggie Head. |
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: July 09 2009 at 14:33
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The word 'khatru' was apparently invented by Jon Anderson. (from Wiki) ------------- 
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Posted By: Luca Pacchiarini
Date Posted: July 09 2009 at 15:13
I don't know, but I think I'm going to call my girlfriend "my cute little khatru" 
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: July 09 2009 at 16:06
I don't believe you have any girlfriend, you're too mediocre for that 
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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: July 09 2009 at 16:11
| I remember from Dan Hedges' biography that it was supposedly a Yemenite word, meaning "if you wish". |
Posted By: Luca Pacchiarini
Date Posted: July 09 2009 at 16:29
 She's far more mediocre than me
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harmonium.ro wrote:Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: July 09 2009 at 16:33
^ That's why she couldn't do better and ended up with you? 
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Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: July 09 2009 at 16:55
------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: July 09 2009 at 17:01
I agree with moogtron III about the Yemenite word but I believe it actually means "your will Be done." Similar but not the same as "if you wish."  ------------- http://blindpoetrecords.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow">  
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Posted By: OzzProg
Date Posted: July 09 2009 at 18:04
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^ He speaks the truth. -------------  |
Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: July 09 2009 at 18:26
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Always reminded me of Klattu, from the movie The Day the Earth Stood Still. ------------- Can you tell me where we're headin'? Lincoln County Road or Armageddon. |
Posted By: Valdez
Date Posted: July 09 2009 at 19:00
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It has the same meaning as Baku Llama... none whatsoever. ------------- https://bakullama1.bandcamp.com/album/sleepers-2024 |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 09 2009 at 19:22
1. I could tell you, but I'd have to kill you. 2. Khatru is a real word, Siberian is made up. 3. If you went through the motions, you might understand. I think the more important question is why do you need to hold down the window?  |
Posted By: Dr. Occulator
Date Posted: July 09 2009 at 19:29
Same answer to the question 'Why is the cork on the fork?': To prevent me from injuring myself ------------- My Doc Told Me I Have Doggie Head. |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: July 09 2009 at 20:01
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I understand the idea of the nonsense lyrics, even if they're grating, but the word Luther in there always struck me as really out of place. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 09 2009 at 20:22
Are you insinuating Luther wasn't in time? ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: thrashaddiction
Date Posted: July 09 2009 at 22:40
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its whatever you want it to be....sounds more like a place of peace....that's what he wanted us to do.....make it our own interpertation and keep questioning...
------------- get what you can out of life before it gets what it can out of you |
Posted By: JayDee
Date Posted: July 09 2009 at 23:25
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It's a bird.
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Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: July 10 2009 at 07:18
------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: July 10 2009 at 13:48
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Khatru is probably a magical horse from outer space. ------------- "The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: July 10 2009 at 14:19
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I see now that there are quite some internet sites where this question has been tackled.
I get the impression that the Yemenite theory is not very heavily supported by evidence material.
Still, it would probably be the only time in Yes where Anderson made a word up, isn't it?
I hope you can all get a good night's sleep without knowing for sure what a Khatru is.
Some Yes fans had their imagination running wild at the word: http://www.yesfans.com/archive/index.php/t-1930.html - http://www.yesfans.com/archive/index.php/t-1930.html .
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Posted By: KingCrimson250
Date Posted: July 10 2009 at 14:20
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Really? I thought everyone knew what a Khatru was. Hunh. I guess you guys just aren't progressive enough. |
Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: July 10 2009 at 14:24
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Says KingCrimson250. ------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: July 10 2009 at 14:33
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Khatru (v.) - a command roughly meaning to get Epignosis a cold beer.
------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: July 10 2009 at 14:35
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Hey you! Khatru! ------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: July 10 2009 at 14:49
| You get it wrong: "khatru" is just a bad translation of French word 'quatrain' (a form of poem) pronounced by a guy from Northern England. |
Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: July 10 2009 at 14:51
That... actually makes a lot of sense, kinda like the title of that movie Reservoir Dogs. Now, if only we could find out what the hell a relayer is. ------------- "The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook |
Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: July 10 2009 at 14:53
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Sure it doesn't. ------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: July 10 2009 at 14:57
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Hmmm?
------------- "The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook |
Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: July 10 2009 at 15:08
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You edited it, evil! ------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: July 10 2009 at 15:44
A Khatru is an adjective describing Siberian versions of You and I as we are standing Close to the Edge.
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Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: July 10 2009 at 15:46
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Down by the river... ------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
Posted By: zappaholic
Date Posted: July 10 2009 at 22:53
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Khatru is the place where Dr. Seuss went to bring back an itkutch, a preep, a proo, a nerkle, a nerd and a seersucker too.
Apparently it's in Siberia. No word on whether any of the aforementioned beasties go through the motions.
------------- "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H.L. Mencken |
Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: July 11 2009 at 03:58
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Maybe it's the aftermath of the Tunguska explosion? ------------- "The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 11 2009 at 05:16
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Khatru, khaaatruuu! Bless you. Damned allergies. Wait, I know it's duh duh da do duh duh da duh. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: July 11 2009 at 05:20
Khatru is a palindrome of Urtahk, the most gentle of all Siberian orcs: |
Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: July 11 2009 at 11:15
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That is an uruk-hai, not an orc. *Clarke reads my forum name* ------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: July 11 2009 at 11:38
It's usually followed by the response: "God bless you." ------------- Trust me. I know what I'm doing. |
Posted By: Little Sir John
Date Posted: July 11 2009 at 14:21
Come on guys this is easy. You're all just a bunch of Khatrus
Ooh, I like that one. It makes sense. Relayer (n): One who relays ------------- "I just felt we were capable of breaking new ground... with a vengeance." ~Jon Anderson |
Posted By: ColonelClaypool
Date Posted: July 12 2009 at 12:56
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Khatru is part of what Ash says in Army of Darkness when he picks up the Necronomicon. You know, Khatru Verratha Nictu...... ------------- With magic, you can turn a frog into a prince. With science, you can turn a frog into a Ph.D. and you still have the frog you started with. |
Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: July 12 2009 at 16:12
I thought that was Magnu. |
Posted By: sam81292
Date Posted: July 12 2009 at 19:44
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Khatru is the answer to life, the universe, and everything.
No wait thats the number 42
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Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: July 13 2009 at 03:47
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Khatru is an alien beer company. ------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: July 13 2009 at 06:17
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In Siberia, the traditional moose call is the shout of "KHATRUUUUUUUUUU!!!"
And the Siberian moose is quite intelligent. It is known to only respond to the most heartpoken khatreu. ------------- Trust me. I know what I'm doing. |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: July 13 2009 at 06:26
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In Siberia, Khatru wonders what you are.
------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: July 13 2009 at 06:29
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"Khatru" is the name "Catherine" translated in Ingouchi, a Siberian linguage. So, "Siberian Khatru" is quite redundant. |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: July 13 2009 at 07:14
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Khatru is a heart-spoken word for which there is no literal translation in any language with more than one speaker. This word is used to bring lyrical content to a level of uttermost crappiness. ------------- 
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Posted By: 88melter
Date Posted: July 13 2009 at 22:09
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88 melter here.
I have always enjoyed Jon Anderson's word painting. If you watch the words go by, you will see lots of open vowel sounds at the ends of musical phrases, and at held notes. I think he wrote words that would make his vocal sound good, and that would allow him to project with an open sound over the instruments. Rick Wakeman always liked that song very much, and wrote part of the main theme, but never had any use for the abstract words.
Jon was reading alot of science fiction at that time, and a friend tells me that "And You and I" is based on some ideas from Isaac Asimov's Foudation Trilogy. I think the semi-religious allusions to cold reigning kings, cold stainless, i.e. without blemish, not fancy steel, nails, and (Martin) Luther in "Siberian Khatru" are simply an attempt to get profound and keep those open vowel sounds a'comin'.
If there is a vein of traditional spirituality in progressive rock, this lyric tries to mine it in a nice non-demoninational way, while still sounding tripped-out enough for the stoners of that day, (were you there when they rolled that number up?)
88melter------------- 88melter |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: July 13 2009 at 22:13
I don't mean to be rude, but you really don't need to write that - everyone knows it's you when you post. |
Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: July 13 2009 at 22:39
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Hi there, I think that guy should shut up and go away |
Posted By: Valdez
Date Posted: July 14 2009 at 00:08
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I think 88 melter is on the right track... ------------- https://bakullama1.bandcamp.com/album/sleepers-2024 |
Posted By: 88melter
Date Posted: July 14 2009 at 08:41
 I usually do shut up and go away. I try not to make more than two or three replies to any given posting. No rudeness taken, less keystrokes are fine by me.
Glad to know that someone thinks my ideas about YES lyrics have some validity. The entire "Close to the Edge" album has these aspects. Oh, and don't forget about the "Christian changer" line. Is it meant to be a contrast to the "suntower, asking" line?, clearly a pagan reference.
later,
you know who...  ------------- 88melter |
Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: July 14 2009 at 08:55
Siberian Khatru????What is it????One of Yes's best songs.
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Posted By: American Khatru
Date Posted: July 14 2009 at 12:49
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Then what the hell was I talking about with my name?
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Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: July 14 2009 at 12:54
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The song?!? ------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: July 14 2009 at 13:02
You are not really here, actually, you are there. -------------
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Posted By: The Runaway
Date Posted: July 14 2009 at 13:11
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Where? ------------- http://www.formspring.me/Aragorn224" rel="nofollow - Trendsetter win! The search for nonexistent perfection. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 14 2009 at 13:30
| I put this moment here. |
Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: July 14 2009 at 13:34
In that moment, were you. -------------
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Posted By: deafmoon
Date Posted: July 14 2009 at 13:50
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I knew a guy in the Bronx back in the 70's who had a pet Boa Constrictor he named Khatru.
But, aside from that, this song is also one of my top all time Yes tunes. ------------- Deafmoon |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 14 2009 at 13:57
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I dunno, but if you catch it, get yourself to an emergency room right away.
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Posted By: American Khatru
Date Posted: July 14 2009 at 14:05
-------------  Why must my spell-checker continually underline the word "prog"? |
Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: July 15 2009 at 04:21
Every vaguely Asian-sounding word that sounds like a proper noun and is found in progressive rock is, in case you don't know what it is, probably some kind of space horse.  ------------- "The past is not some static being, it is not a previous present, nor a present that has passed away; the past has its own dynamic being which is constantly renewed and renewing." - Claire Colebrook |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: July 15 2009 at 08:09
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I've never seen a thread accomplish as little as this one after 4 pages...
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: July 15 2009 at 08:11
Perfect! Beer is on me! -------------
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Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: July 15 2009 at 10:06
------------- Trust me. I know what I'm doing. |
Posted By: Evolver
Date Posted: July 15 2009 at 10:07
------------- Trust me. I know what I'm doing. |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: July 15 2009 at 10:09
Well, you're still relatively new here. |
Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: July 15 2009 at 10:12
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Posted By: StyLaZyn
Date Posted: July 15 2009 at 10:21
Now don't be scaring him away. -------------
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: July 15 2009 at 11:05
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: July 15 2009 at 11:45
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Whatever you do don't go into the count to infinity thread.
------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: American Khatru
Date Posted: July 15 2009 at 14:38
... ------------- Why must my spell-checker continually underline the word "prog"? |
Posted By: Dr. Occulator
Date Posted: July 15 2009 at 16:27
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WOW!!!!!!!!!! Thanks to all for clearing up that question for me. Funny how so many people knew the answer when I couldn't figure it out for all the Khatrushnik in Siberia!  ------------- My Doc Told Me I Have Doggie Head. |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: July 15 2009 at 16:33
I guess that must be it... -------------
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Posted By: Lodij van der Graaf
Date Posted: July 21 2009 at 05:21
I thought that I'll get a definitive answer... 
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