Prog lover = low self esteem
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Topic: Prog lover = low self esteem
Posted By: debrewguy
Subject: Prog lover = low self esteem
Date Posted: June 16 2009 at 20:37
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Really folks, has anyone alerted Amnesty International to all this torture that Prog lovers must endure. Its' popularity is eclipsed by the totality of all other genres. Its' fans are forced to listen to what the majority like. Its' supporters are constantly insulted and considered lesser forms of intelligent life Friends, Countrymen ( & women) the time has come for a dictatorship of the Progetariat ! Once the proper order of things has been put in place, we will dictate what people like. OF course, those who disagree or dissent will have to be dealt with. And then, those of us who show signs of counter-revolution will need to be taken care of. Or, we can just understand that each person has their own likes and dislikes, with one no better than the other. Unless there's a psychological need that some need to be convinced that having differing tastes is no reason for a lack of self esteem. ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 16 2009 at 20:41
Well, I was feeling kind of good about myself until I read your post. 
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Posted By: brainerd
Date Posted: June 16 2009 at 21:07
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Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: June 16 2009 at 21:08
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A lack of self esteem...hmm Is it natural we progressive rock freaks should think we're the minority?...No, I don't think so. At least to my friends (not proggers), I CONFIDENTLY can assert my real interest of progressive rock. Consider it should be right. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/damoxt7942" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: hawkcwg
Date Posted: June 16 2009 at 21:08
I have plenty of self esteem, I've just come to realize that I "know" that I'm superior to everyone else.  ------------- 
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: June 16 2009 at 21:12
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We have nothing to lose, but our chains. But we have a world to win over....
Really, reading some threads here in PA, i agree with DB... I don't know why we don't feature, instead of ads for bands, ads for Prozac and other anti-depression medication...
Let's all create a Waco temple of prog and.... (you know what happens next..) ------------- 
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Posted By: Darklord55
Date Posted: June 16 2009 at 21:16
Ya but, I'll never be able to understand why a person would like country or rap. Someone please explain.   For that reason alone we need a progetariat. Power to the proggers!!
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Posted By: King Crimson776
Date Posted: June 16 2009 at 21:37
Fact: Prog is way better than mainstream sh*t today. Why do I know this? Because I'm smarter than most people and I listen to it, therefore it must be good. I also listen to jazz and classical so I'm super legit. |
Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: June 16 2009 at 21:58
Hmm, can't explain the rap part, because I am part of the progetariat, but country is easy. Pedal steel guitar!
"I was drunk the day mama got out of prison..."
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Darklord55 wrote:Posted By: ClemofNazareth
Date Posted: June 16 2009 at 22:09
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No excuse for rap that I can think of, but without country we wouldn't have country rock, which means no Allman Brothers, no Buffalo Springfield, no 'Freebird', no Neil Young, no CSN; and no alt.country which would mean no Wovenhand, no Holopaw, no Calexico, no Kings of Leon, .... this would not be good ------------- "Peace is the only battle worth waging." Albert Camus |
Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: June 16 2009 at 22:19
I beg to differ. |
Posted By: Synchestra
Date Posted: June 16 2009 at 22:24
You must inform everyone you ever meet of these facts. I do it. It works wonders when trying to pick up women   ------------- 'Yeah, thats.. Whatever you're talking about for ya' - Zapp brannigan |
Posted By: ClemofNazareth
Date Posted: June 16 2009 at 22:38
You have no power here! Now begone, before somebody drops a house on you!
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Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: June 16 2009 at 22:42
Well the original rock n' roll was more of a driving tempo and power chords based off of country and blues chords, so really there would be no rock whatsoever without country.Or maybe it'd just be extra bluesy.
 With rap there'd be no Rage Against the Machine, Run-DMC, or Public Enemy which are respectable groups IMO, even though they definetely aren't for anyone. ------------- 
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Posted By: moreitsythanyou
Date Posted: June 16 2009 at 22:46
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I'd defend myself if I had more faith and trust in my convictions
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Posted By: Isa
Date Posted: June 16 2009 at 23:20
People who listen to prog are overall smarter than people who listen to RAP or country, period. That's all I need for self-esteem. Anyone want to disagree? 
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Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: June 16 2009 at 23:43
That low self esteem is just the corporate so-called-music industry talking. Any true progger can face such babble with intelligence , charm, massive geekiness , and confidence. 
Without country we wouldn't have Chet Atkins or STEVE HOWE.
Without rap we would have peace on Earth. ------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: Jozef
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 00:11
I'd say for the same reason that we love prog so much. Its just a matter of musical taste and what you like it to sound like. ------------- 
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Posted By: Anderson III
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 02:08
Don't worry. I'll take care of the rap thing... The way rappers use the human voice as a musical element is actually quite unique and remarkable. As a rhythmic instrument it's definitely my favorites, because one can experiment with all these different tones and express any emotion easily. Unlike in other styles of vocal music where the lyrics are usually built within the melody, in Hip Hop it's in the rhythm - which actually insinuates that when done right, rapping is more versatile than drumming. But there's more: when the rhythm is put into rhyme, the correspondence of sound actually makes it "flow" beautifully. I can't say I'm surprised that PA members don't like Hip Hop beats very much. After all, they are similar to standard Rock 'n Roll: loud and minimalistic. But of all the genres that focus on hard-hitting beats, "hooks and loops", Hip Hop is still without a doubt my absolute favorite. I guess it's a question of taste, but I'm in love with filthy sounding music! I also prefer a clever arrangement of samples from various sources (rock, jazz, prog, funk, etc.) to that boring old guitar riff. Even if you're one of those who just like to sit back and marvel at the technique of the musicians, Hip Hop still has something to offer! There are MC's like The Gift of Gab, Lateef the Truthskeaper and Bone Thugs-n-Harmony if you want to go "how do they do that?". Plus rappers have attitude! And do I even have to mention Hip Hop as a performance art? ------------- "Music expresses that which cannot be put into words and cannot remain silent" - Victor Hugo |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 02:42
Because some of it has awesome groove and rhythm. That's enough reason for me. It might be a shallow reason to you, but I don't care because I am able to listen to Merzbow for hours on end. ------------- 
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Posted By: el dingo
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 03:11
Makes me think of one of the Crimson guys' signatures with the pic of the beautiful girl and the ELP cover - more fantasy than a complete collection of TolkienSeriously - your music is your music and no-one can take it away from you. Add to it, but never, ever let anybody's influence subtract from it. When it comes to tunes Alastair Crowley had it right: Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law. ------------- It's not that I can't find worth in anything, it's just that I can't find worth in enough. |
Posted By: el dingo
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 03:12
Looks to me like that house was built after 1989. ------------- It's not that I can't find worth in anything, it's just that I can't find worth in enough. |
Posted By: HolyMoly
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 07:29
Clever!  ------------- My other avatar is a Porsche It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle if it is lightly greased. -Kehlog Albran |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 07:44
I have to say I agree with Teo. For Pete's sake, people, it's MUSIC, not something your life depends upon! As much as I love music, I recognize there are much bigger things in life to get upset about. I definitely don't feel put upon, let alone 'inferior', because most of the people I know don't like prog, or are just not interested in it. As long as we have other topics to talk about, it's perfectly OK with me. I like what I like, and don't expect others to share my inclinations. People who have low self-esteem because they like prog are lucky, because they don't have any more serious reasons to feel that way. |
Posted By: friso
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 08:01
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It's so funny how efficient the human ego is to preserve it's own values. I read a lot of replies here and I think: Do we really need to think we are so special? One of the reasons I started to listen to prog was that I wanted to have something for myself, something I really liked! I wanted to find my own way of life without being told what to by other people. And then.. here we are... saying that WE are so enlighted and that OUR GROUP is so smart... shame on us... My purpose was to find good music, not to find a way to outsmart everyone. MInd your Ego! The thinking brain was only invented by evolution as a way to servive, not to become our way of life. Some people feel like they are attacked when you say you don't like their favourite albums (for instance: I don't like Dark Side of the Moon at all!). This is just your ego defending, for a lot of people belief they are their ego's and an attack on the ego becomes an attack on their being. This is a serious problem in our community. |
Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 08:30
| I'm awesome, btw. |
Posted By: Darklord55
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 08:33
Your post wins the best answer award!! Doesn't anyone recognize sarcasm when they hear it. Plus I would not have lost any sleep if Country Rock never existed. |
Posted By: jimmy_row
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 09:24
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The first revolution led by (as an old friend would say) acne-faced virgins...the sh*t is going to HIT THE FAN, they've come with a huge bone to pick - the lack of popularity, the sexual frustration, the armchair Leninist ideals, it's gonna CHANGE TEH WURLLD.
I better batten down the hatches and safely hide all of my beloved country rock...and all non-prog for that matter. The militants have been known destroy anything without Roger Dean artwork. ------------- Signature Writers Guild on strike |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 12:04
I never associated any of the music I play with self-esteem ... how strange this sounds to me ...
I do think that a lot of comments are based on the "I like chocolate" and "you can't have it" mentality that sometimes assumes that you can not enjoy chocolate and that your wording for liking chocolate is not the right language to talk about chocolate ... and that is the problem with chocolate ... not the person!
Some of the conversations here are handled and discussed and often times replied in the chocolate manner ... and that is sad ... we defend our egos that way ... don't we?
If we want the art to make it, the egos will have to be dissolved and we need to discuss the art in it ... I may not like Metalicca and make fun of it ... but that does not give me the right to say they can not play music and sell it ... yes they can ... and they are professional enough to do so ... just not my flavor or chocolate!
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Posted By: Anderson III
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 12:04
I don't believe I am my ego! Id, ego and superego, more like! ------------- "Music expresses that which cannot be put into words and cannot remain silent" - Victor Hugo |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 12:13
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I think I have enough self-esteem to not care about the general disliking or ignorance of the so-called prog-rock. After all, I've been a metalhead for 15 years without caring for what people said. Yeah, I still listen to Sepultura and Yes and I listen to free jazz, operas, hip-hop... So, the only problem is to make understand to a "Rock intelligentsia" that the history of Rock Music is a matter of study, not a matter of "good taste". |
Posted By: Thandrus
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 13:18
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I remember someone here telling: Prog is the music for ones who can't pick-up chicks... That's where our low self-esteem comes from, I guess
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 13:23
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At least one is a loser, generally, if one tries to pick up chicks using prog as a lure. Try John Lee Hooker, and bring lots of Johnny Cash to close the deal.
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Posted By: angelmk
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 13:37
i agree on the part we are under torture to listen the majority of sh*ty music out there, but i cannot agree we are considered lesser forms of life, most of the people i know don't listen prog . cos it was to borring and complicated for their narrow mind to apprehend .. also awkward music.. But how can another underestimate us Proggers and despice our music when he himself listen to lowest form of music to say rap or pop .. i don't see a reason why we can have low self esteem ,my music just gives me that great feeling of self confidence .. i enjoy prog and just don't give a penny what other listen .. BTW let's unite and take over the world .. and make it Prog world .. |
Posted By: Progosopher
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 14:35
Rap at its best is poetry, and I have heard some that was intricate, rhythmically complicated, and insightful. It's not my style, but I can respect an artist for creating something worthwhile. Unfornutately, most Rap we hear is gangsta style where all it's about is how much money, chicks, and bling the dude has. I don't have much use for that. ------------- The world of sound is certainly capable of infinite variety and, were our sense developed, of infinite extensions. -- George Santayana, "The Sense of Beauty" |
Posted By: infandous
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 18:48
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Actually, I find that Prog Related generally goes over very will with women. But I've been lucky to know several women that like prog, though I'm don't think any of them love it the way we here do. As to self esteem, I think if it relates to music, it is because people will seek out music that fits them. As a teenager, I listed to Cheap Trick constantly........for obvious reasons   From there I went to metal, because I hated the world  Then came classic rock, because I was starting to think more. Then prog because I became a total genius  But seriously, what you like is what you like. I won't criticize anyone here about what they like. (though I may tease them a bit............expecting the same in return, of course ) |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 18:52
Merzbow is a rapper? |
Posted By: Sangria
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 19:10
I suppose I could turn on a "Classic Rock" station and listen to Stairway To Heaven, Freebird or Hotel California for the 499,877th time in my life. ------------- 
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Posted By: hitting_singularity2
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 19:13
that is an AWESOME explenation of rap. I agree completely. I also agree with people who say the lyrics are crap, which they usually are, even if a rapper has good flow, they usually talk about complete crap. However, I think that music is coming to a paradigm shift. With that i see the rise of prog again, but rap will still be popular but with better lyrics and i think even some sort of 'progressive hip hop'. Don't ask me why i think this, it would take way too long to explain, just take it as an oppinion / guess |
Posted By: Marlon
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 21:49
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 22:35
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I think we have low self esteem because we're on the internet. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: JJLehto
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 22:40
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Actually, I had my lowest self esteem/depression/moodyness and bleak out look back a few years ago. As my musical tastes got more and more progressive my overall mindset has actually gotten better!
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 23:09
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Hey guys be positive.
If we had low self esteem, we would need something to boost our insignificant egos, and we would be listening something that made us cool.
If we dare to listen a genre that will never be cool, we proved that we don't give a sh!t about what others think, in other words our self esteem is pretty high.
Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: King Crimson776
Date Posted: June 18 2009 at 03:39
Oh damn, winning post right here, I think you just summed the situation up. At least for me, yo.
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Posted By: fusionfreak
Date Posted: June 18 2009 at 04:21
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Posted By: American Khatru
Date Posted: June 18 2009 at 06:12
The spectre of Rap has moved things a bit off topic, and got me thinking... (Exhale...) Alright, I'm coming out of the closet. I spent a little time into Rap (though not at the expense of everything else) when I thought that it was exhibiting what you might call progressive tendencies (I don't mean that I go about programmed to consciously accept or decline music based upon specified parameters; I just mean that, in retrospect, I think I know why my tastes fell where they did). There where actually two periods. One was when Three Feet High, Nation of Millions, By All Means Necessary, and Paul's Boutique came out (1987-89). Then 'gangsterism' caught full hold (despite protestations from Rap's brightest at the time) and I thought, "well, there's that." The second spot was from the surprising Wu-Tang Clan member's: The Liquid Swords and Only Built 4 Cuban Linx, both beautifully produced by RZA (1995). These two records really made me think that Rap was going to highly interesting places with it's music; but, alas, it would not hold. (BTW, I'm not addressing the matter of lyrics here at all, but I guess I'll say two things: with Liquid Swords I do like many of the lyrics, I guess because there's a sadness and regret about them, a human power; I don't know what Raekwon is talking about, but the poetic flow on Cuban Linx was fascinating to me. But yes, I too can do without deriding women and the rest of the crap that goes on in most rap lyrics. Admittedly these rappers are not speaking to my experience, so I can't really comment.) However, in the inspired interem, I started to put together an idea for music in Hip-Hop form. I would produce some tunes without vocals by an almost classical approach, perhaps interest someone in them. It took longer than I expected to put together the means though (life got "interesting" for me in the late 90's and also money was an issue, plus I knew nothing then about computers), and it didn't happen for me ("official" interest I mean). And in the end this was probably for the best. However I did make what I think are some interesting instrumental, or should I say sample-based, tracks. (All an admittedly 'white' approach, I know  .)If you care to (here's the part where I "come out") you can hear some of these things on http://www.myspace.com/davidmecionis - my MySpace page . I'd love to know what people think of course, and I would like more 'friends' and 'comments' if you care to . If you want to take the time I suggest listening through them in order, as if it were an EP. At least one tune should make people here laugh, others I guess are more "serious".(Note: I write about the stuff on the lower left of the myspace page, under "The music in the player..." Double Note: I highly recommend NOT viewing the page in Internet Explorer because the formatting comes out all crazy.) Thanks, and sorry for the off-topic. But I've unburdened my soul somewhat this morning. |
Posted By: Anderson III
Date Posted: June 18 2009 at 08:27
Listened to Liquid Swords today! Dem beatz be pretty tight, but a bit minimalistic for me. My own approach to Hip Hop is currently quite aggressive, but I have my calmer tracks too. ------------- "Music expresses that which cannot be put into words and cannot remain silent" - Victor Hugo |
Posted By: Marcin
Date Posted: June 18 2009 at 08:37
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being a prog lover mean low self esteem? disagree! you need to be enough confident to find your own music, ideas in defiance of the comercial stuff overhelming people. and what about girls I remember that in school you could always find beautiful girls bored with mainstream music and wanted to find out more about my albums collection... |
Posted By: Darklord55
Date Posted: June 18 2009 at 09:20
Me too! I rediscovered prog via this web site a few years back which indeed changed my disposition. I also started listening to metal of all shapes and sizes. This helped deal with some anger issues. From this,  to that. It's great therapy!!
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Posted By: American Khatru
Date Posted: June 18 2009 at 09:58
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Thanks for the kind words Anderson III (assuming by "dem beatz" you meant mine and not RZA's). I'd love to hear yours. With mine it was definitely a fine and minimalist approach, with music theory thrown in, and not a dirty and expansive approach (though I dig that too - can you say Company Flow?).
PS. Love your avatar. That's the perfect picture. If I showed it to my mom and gave her 10 guesses what that man does for a living, there's no way she'd say rock guitar legend.
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Posted By: Anderson III
Date Posted: June 18 2009 at 12:25
Oh yes, I forgot to point out "dem beatz" were indeed yours! A friend of mine and I just finished creating tracks for our album, and we're heading to Netherlands in august to record the studio versions. I will then definitely put a link here if you're interested! The songs are pretty progressive, I think each has it's own personality and there's a number of sections in all of them. No choruses, no repetition, no effing around - and it's quite intense!And you're right: that avatar is definitely something! Bob looks so cool... ------------- "Music expresses that which cannot be put into words and cannot remain silent" - Victor Hugo |
Posted By: American Khatru
Date Posted: June 18 2009 at 14:35
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^ Great, definitely interested in hearing! If you read the blurb I threw up on my MySpace page then I hope you understand why, in my case, I used repetition; I went with the theory that that is what Hip-Hop's identity is based in. Now you're doing no choruses, no repetition - I've got to hear that. You're in Finland? I was there once ten years ago on a tour. Great country you got there, great people! [Jeez I better swing back to the topic.] Um, okay everybody, it isn't easy being a prog fan and moving among all these norms in this world, it's not as easy as it may seem, just remember that yerself is steam. |
Posted By: TealFoxes
Date Posted: June 18 2009 at 16:27
| Prog lovers shouldn't feel bad at all about listening to prog. Attacking prog is like attacking Bambi. Bambi is so innocent and peaceful that anyone who ridicules Bambi is a flat-out moron because it's basically hating the idea of sentimental innocence. That equally goes for symphonic prog. It's such an open target, of course you could trample it if you wanted to, but why would you want to in the first place? People who think Genesis' Cinema Show or Marillion's Jigsaw are embarrassing might just have a few unconscious insecurities within themselves. That's their problem, not the prog lovers. The music has benefited me personally rather the other way around, THATS for sure! |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: June 18 2009 at 17:11
Funny, in Spanish we say "Nos importa una mierd@" (Literally "We give a sh!t")
Linguistic differences.
Iván -------------
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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: June 19 2009 at 11:25
Max Roach thought highly of rap. Boiling down the essence of sound to rhythm . ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: June 19 2009 at 11:26
then when i usually go to the political or other cartonns thread  ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: June 19 2009 at 11:35
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I thougt prog was cool ? So is punk (outside the radio stuff) , country (apart from the corporate country), metal (except for the coroner report like lyrics), classic rock (though I just listen to the music that has been played less than 472 times on the radio), R & B / Dance (the good stuff like the old Stax Motown , yes even Hall & Oates (& fripp, Donna Summer), Bluegrass ( some of the best musicians play it. No, really). jazz (no Kenny G please, replace with Grover Washington. Miles, Coltrane, Brubeck rule), Pop (like the Beatles, XTC, the Finn family of groups, Nick Lowe and many others), classical (prog without beethoven ???) reggae (even their white boy wanna bes like the Police), Blues (please, the SRV grimace playing the beat up strat is overdone. And nobody's going to beat RJ, HW, BB, JLH, and others. Maybe Clarence Brewer). The coolest though - the Banana Splits. or rather - the ultimate point to this thread - the coolest music is the one that you are enjoying listening to now. And later. ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: Rottenhat
Date Posted: June 19 2009 at 11:49
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This is Post-style, Post-fashion, Post-I-give-I-damn. Post-post-whatever-stimulates-your-brain. ------------- Language is a virus from outer space. -William S. Burroughs |
Posted By: Rottenhat
Date Posted: June 20 2009 at 07:20
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Sorry. Ignore the above drunken post... ------------- Language is a virus from outer space. -William S. Burroughs |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: June 20 2009 at 09:16
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 20 2009 at 10:15
So do I, but not always by choice. I was in a public washroom the other day.... ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: progrules
Date Posted: June 20 2009 at 10:51
This is funny because I always thought this was a problem on our own (Dutch) Classic Rock station but apparently it's the same in the States. Which proves that Classic Rock is dead and not prog because in our genre there are plenty new albums every month and so we can listen to many new songs.
And that's the main reason I prefer prog over Classic Rock. So much to discover. ------------- A day without prog is a wasted day |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: June 20 2009 at 11:00
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I`m actually embarassd to use the phrase progrock because many people don`t even know what the hell it is. Just saying that I listen to all kinds of freaked out sh*t is easier. ------------- |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: June 20 2009 at 11:17
I understand and apologise for my crappy attempt at toilet humour before. Even Zappa would not be amused. I don't like to use the "prog" term because it has a negative connotation for so many people and they have limited experience with the music in its varied forms. It's more than the excess and pretentiousness of ELP and the like, it's also the excess and pretentiousness of Magma and the like. At least in my circles, if I were to mention that I'm a prog fan, I think I'd be more likely to hear the erms and ahs of disgust and condescension than the erms and eh?s of "prog, what's that?" ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: American Khatru
Date Posted: June 20 2009 at 12:55
| How many times have you used the words "prog rock" in conversation and you eventually learn that the person you were talking to reveals that they thought you were talking about "Prague rock", like some sort of Czech branch of rock music? Happened to me twice recently! |
Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: June 20 2009 at 18:45
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hmm... I was feeling rather like starting a dictatorship now that I think of it
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Posted By: theteaclub_dan
Date Posted: June 20 2009 at 21:19
You see, the thing about depression is, well, you just can't let it get you down.
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Posted By: Firdous e Bareen
Date Posted: June 21 2009 at 23:12
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Meh. Most of my friends listen to progressive music, and I've never once heard anyone bag it out in real life. So I don't get this notion of there being some kind of prejudice against progressive rock fans. There's more popular progressive bands out there now than there has been in a long, long time - especially over the heavier side of things.
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: June 21 2009 at 23:43
What about this?
I believe is embarasment to admit you like American Idol or being a hardcore fan of Justin Timberlake, because people know what kind of crap it is.
Iván
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Posted By: American Khatru
Date Posted: June 22 2009 at 05:18
Glad you brought this up. When, on a day in my life, one person makes me, or attempts to make me, feel like a "weirdo" for saying I listened to Close to the Edge on the way to work, then later I observe some other person tell someone they watched "Idol" last night, or even God forbid voted, I think to myself, "shouldn't they be embarassed, aren't they the weirdos?" And I know I'm right... but "they" have the numbers. So you live with it. Ef 'em. Hardcore fans of the commercial-mill crap are really just semi-human scaffolding, agreed for some horrifying reason to put themselves in place so that a monumental tower of sh*te may stand seemingly for all eternity. And I too think that "people [people who don't give up their lives and identities in this way] know what kind of crap it is" for the most part. -------------  Why must my spell-checker continually underline the word "prog"? |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: June 22 2009 at 10:21
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Don`t get me wrong here. I just said it`s easier to say I listen to all kinds of freaked out s**t. This way it could mean anything from Metal Elvis to Brainticket. You`re safe this way. I have an occasional radio show and everyone there refers to me as the guy that plays the freaky sh*t. No Bob Marley, Indie Crap or Leonard Cohen, just the freaky sh*t. I can even play Siberian Khatru and call it freaky sh*t and then it becomes more acceptable to people. As for American idol I think Cheryl Crow summed it up perfectly once she said, " Let`s face it, it undermines artand promotes commercialism. I am sad that people love it so". Or Ronnie James Dio, he refered to American Idol as American Karioke in 2006 saying, "Most people who watch American Idol are under 13 years old. Those who are over 13 years old have the brains of 10 year olds. " Not really fair to 10 year olds but I get the guy`s gist. ------------- |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: June 22 2009 at 11:15
Don't referred to you precisely Melt, when I use the word YOU, Im talking in what we know (In Spanish) as second impersonal persom, I use the word you to involve more the reader, I don't think Melt 88 as a person listens American Karaoke or Justin Timberlake, , but just use an impersonal second person.
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Posted By: hitting_singularity2
Date Posted: June 24 2009 at 00:16
hey, i happen to like Justin Timberlake (or Timbaland as he makes the beats(I hate Timbaland rapping, but he is a good producer)) |
Posted By: npjnpj
Date Posted: June 24 2009 at 04:32
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Posted By: npjnpj
Date Posted: June 24 2009 at 05:43
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One problem lies in the term 'Progressive Rock' itself. For the casual music listener, if they've ever even heard of it, it often means an obscure branch of popular music from the eary seventies that died when Punk started.
For that quite large group it would be akin to listening to the seventies equivalent of Frank Sinatra and Elvis non-stop, just not quite so good.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: June 24 2009 at 06:14
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Well if our self esteem wasn't low enough, I see that this thread has been transferred to General Discussions rather than General Music Discussions.
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Posted By: Prog_Bassist
Date Posted: June 24 2009 at 07:31
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I hate the persecution too though, I find a lot of people consider people who like prog pretentious and so forth when we arent! we just like a different style of music than them!!! the locals messageboards are the worst for this...scenesters... ------------- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhuxaD8NzaY" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhuxaD8NzaY |
Posted By: American Khatru
Date Posted: June 24 2009 at 08:54
Not pretentious?? Speak for yourself mack
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: June 24 2009 at 11:17
As poor as American idol could be, taking the opinion of Dio as the definitive word in musical tastes is even more 10-year-old-ish..... The guy can sing.... and let's keep it at that.
If we were to perform a psycological test of Dio, we would find out he's the one stuck in adolecence... Adult people don't judge stupidity because of musical tastes...
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Posted By: Bitterblogger
Date Posted: June 24 2009 at 21:06
I think there's a surfeit of "medication" (surely a euphemism for the ages) involved in prog appreciation already, thank you very much.
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Posted By: ClemofNazareth
Date Posted: June 24 2009 at 21:14
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Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: June 25 2009 at 17:36
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Neigh, y'are wrong.
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Posted By: KingCrimson250
Date Posted: June 25 2009 at 18:03
+1 I'll generally say something like "Experimental stuff" cos no one understands what prog is. |
Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: June 25 2009 at 21:20
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I like VB's answer better. Prog / experimental really doesn't say much when you think of it. "You listen to Prog ? Pink Floyd ? No, PFM, though. Who ? It's an Italian band. What ?" Kinda like saying you listen to metal and being told "Metallica" ? No , Megadeth, Accept, Sabbath. Punk ? like Green Day ? No, like Fear, the Germs, D.O.A. ." I.E. if your conversational partner has no knowledge of what you're talking in the first place, the use of lingo won't be of much help. ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: June 27 2009 at 08:25
I'll either say experimental or obscure rock, just to save myself a 15 minute conversation which leads to many more questions... ------------- 
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Posted By: hitting_singularity2
Date Posted: June 28 2009 at 11:11
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^
funny story, I was talking to my 2nd cousin yesterday at a family reunion and I knew he liked prog because another time he was looking at my ipod and said 'oh! you have Yes" But apparently he forgot cause it took me 2 hours before he stopped saying stuff like 'oh i like fun rock/ different stuff/ folky metal" Partly my fault for not being straightforward tho...
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