NWOBHM.. the Poll
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Topic: NWOBHM.. the Poll
Posted By: friso
Subject: NWOBHM.. the Poll
Date Posted: June 16 2009 at 12:16
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So... The New Wave of Britisch Heavy Metal poll. Wich group do you prefer and why?
First. All music I listen started because of the one cd of Iron Maiden my brother lent from the local library, about 10 years ago. I was 11 years old and in the last year of elementary school. I quickly dropped all popmusic that I heard at the radio and became an Iron Maiden fan. Secondly... Metallica and the Symphony made me see that there was more then just metal. And finally, Judas Priest proved that they made good music back in the '70 too. Iron Maiden is still my alltime favourite metalband, because they made so many great albums and I like their image and style. The band has a sort of feel! Moreover, they introduced sophisticated song writing to me and partly cleared the way for my progressive urges.
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Posted By: BDTF
Date Posted: June 16 2009 at 12:18
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Metallica was never part of the NWOBHM, they're not even British... ------------- BDTF - Belgian Dream Theater Fan |
Posted By: crimson87
Date Posted: June 16 2009 at 12:19
| hey man , Metallica are from the US. Therefore couldn't be part of the NWOBHM , can't you replace them with Saxon or Diamond Head? |
Posted By: friso
Date Posted: June 16 2009 at 12:25
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Thank you! I looked at wikipedia and didn't think of the fact Metallica are from the US. Diamond Head it is then. |
Posted By: Isa
Date Posted: June 16 2009 at 12:43
I feel dissatisfied with this poll, personally... there's GOT to be more than three prominent NWOBHM bands!  (Not that I'm too knowledgeable on my knowledge of the style...) Iron Maiden from this list. I used to hate them because of Bruce, but Seventh Son album made me appreciate them (and him) oh so very much.  |
Posted By: Telinstryata
Date Posted: June 16 2009 at 13:27
| Go to Wikipedia and search for NWOBHM to see a pretty full list of the NWOBHM bands. Of the bands listed in this poll Iron Maiden certainly stands above the other two. But Diamond Head were a huge influence on Metallica's music. Which is why Metallica are usually mentioned in any article about NWOBHM. |
Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: June 16 2009 at 13:38
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I doubt that JudasPriest are actually part of NWOBHM (their first album was in 1974, while NWOBHM started in the late 70's) Tygers of Pan Tang Blitzkrieg Demon Saxon are some of the bands, Iron Maiden was definitely the best out of them (however, only the first couple of records are actually NWOBHM) |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: June 16 2009 at 13:46
Exactly  . JP's first albums were released when prog was still alive and kicking, while Maiden's debut dates back from 1980, as most of the early efforts of those bands. However, The mighty Priest were doubtlessly the #1 source of inspiration for the NWOBHM, and they also had their commercial breakthrough (with British Steel) in 1980).As to voting... Uhmm, that's not easy. A toss-up between Priest and Maiden, two of my favourite bands - though for sheer metallic glory I might choose Priest. |
aapatsos wrote:Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: June 16 2009 at 13:48
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As with Raff and previous poster, Judas Priest predated the NWOBHM by a fair while, but from this list they win by a country mile for me. I also loved Saxon during this period, and does anyone remember Bruce Bruce pre Maiden days?  ------------- Enhance your life. Get down to www.lazland.org Now also broadcasting on www.progzilla.com Every Saturday, 4.00 p.m. UK time! |
Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: June 16 2009 at 14:10
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Up the irons!! Iron Maiden over Priest. I'd take Judas priest over Metallica though. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: June 16 2009 at 14:34
Iron Maiden for me. I mostly enjoy Priest´s first two albums. Their late seventies/ early eighties output is a bit too leather fisted glove in the air macho kind of heavy metal for my taste ( I hate Manowar with a vengeance). But of course I own all Judas Priest albums. I´m a compulsive collector . I´m still in the early stages of checking out Diamond Head, but the things I´ve heard so far sounds pretty good to me.
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Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: June 16 2009 at 14:46
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Iron Maiden for me, because from them begun everything that we know today as heavy metal music and they were the cherry on the cake.
Judas Priest is not a band from the movement NWOBHM. Do not put them in this movement because they are not, many times I saw this confusion.
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Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 05:27
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Judas Priest. ------------- 
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Posted By: Roj
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 05:33
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Chalk up one for Diamond Head!!
I loved this band back in the early 80s, they were great live and their early demise was a real shame. They are treading the boards again now, but that's a pale shadow of the original. Of course Maiden have been (largely) sensational for almost 30 years, but I couldn't bear to see Diamond Head voteless.
Incidentally Judas Priest pre-dated the NWOBHM by about 6 or 7 years!
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Posted By: paulwalker71
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 05:34
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Judas Priest were not part of the NWOBHM. The main players in that late 1970's scene were Iron Maiden Samson Diamond Head Def Leppard Saxon plus a ton of others that came and went very quickly |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 07:02
I just wonder what this poll is doing in Prog Polls ...
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Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 07:10
| It's ok this poll to be here I think , because two bands from this movement are here in PA. Iron Maiden and of course a band that nobody seams to know from NWOBHM is Magnum. A little on the edge because of the list mentioned but ok to me to be here , at least for Iron Maiden . |
Posted By: Proggy Pogo
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 07:29
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Gotta go with the majority on this one - Maiden are one of my favourite bands of all. ------------- 
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 07:29
Iron Maiden are in Prog-Related, which has its own section, and Magnum are not mentioned in the poll Therefore, the poll does not belong here. Having been a member for four years, and also an Admin for some time, I know how things work here. Anyway, I do know Magnum (even have one album by them), and I think they have very little in common with the NWOBHM, though they were lumped together with them at the time. |
Posted By: friso
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 07:49
I couldn't care how much experience you have... just answer the question... why does it have to be so sophisticated? Almost everyone here listens to hard rock and metal! .. I know I will get into trouble for this comment... |
Posted By: toolis
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 07:56
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Raven! JP don't qualify for NWOBHM... new wave of british heavy metal is all those bands who couldn't find a contract cause they wouldn't go punk and they tried to publish their work indepentendly... ------------- -music is like pornography... sometimes amateurs turn us on, even more... -sometimes you are the pigeon and sometimes you are the statue... |
Posted By: angelmk
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 10:42
| Iron Maiden |
Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 14:02
It's your thread after all  |
Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 15:21
| Angelwitch and Sledgehammer. |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 15:23
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Iron Maiden. That was easy. Not even close.  ------------- 
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 16:09
You're wrong... Feel free to bash me whatever you like, if that makes you happy. I just don't see why you have to be so aggressive, since I addressed my response to someone else. |
Posted By: el dingo
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 17:28
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According to MM/NME at the time, the holy trinity of NWOBHM was Maiden, Saxon & Leppard. It's impossible to vote for anyone other than Maiden IMO ------------- It's not that I can't find worth in anything, it's just that I can't find worth in enough. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: June 17 2009 at 17:57
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from this list the superior band was Priest, but for true NWoBHM it's -- Ozzy Angel Witch Motorhead Sweet Savage Raven |
Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: June 18 2009 at 01:02
Anyway, I do know Magnum (even have one album by them), and I think they have very little in common with the NWOBHM, though they were lumped together with them at the time.
I have more then 10 albums with Magnum, and to your information Magnum was a band that make part of NWOBHM, doesn't mean if they are not so rough in sound and manner of composing like (Saxon , Maiden, even first 2 Leppard albums) thay are not from this curent.
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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: June 18 2009 at 02:07
Oh yes... 
Such youth... ------------- 
Jon Lord 1941 - 2012 |
Posted By: Man Erg
Date Posted: June 18 2009 at 02:37
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Is saw Jeff Leppard many times before their somewhat dissapointingly produced debut album.
Iron Maiden fronted by Paul Di'Anno were regular visitors to The Marquee.I saw them supporting Stray! I don't really consider Judas Priest as part of the NWOBHM.They were an established band by the late 1970s. The NWOBHM bands that I have a soft spot for are; Witchfynde,Angel Witch,Sledgehammer,Samson,Tygers of Pan Tang and Saxon's first two or three albums. I had a membership of The Marquee,which was then in Wardour Street. My membership was from 1979-1981.There were many fights between bikers,rockers and mods down Wardour Street during this period. I'm unsure of the amount of times that the Intrepid Fox had it's windows 'put through'. I used to drink in the Ship, one of Lemmy's many watering holes.He regularly propped up the bar in The Marquee but his main boozer was The Lonsdale in Portobello Road. I recently saw Geoff Barton in a pub in a village called Laleham (between Chertsey and Staines) which is near to where I live. Mr Geoff 'Kerrang!,Sounds' Barton is a resident of Staines. ------------- 
Do 'The Stanley' otherwise I'll thrash you with some rhubarb. |
Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: June 18 2009 at 05:06
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[QUOTE=Atavachron]from this list the superior band was Priest, but for true NWoBHM it's -- Ozzy Angel Witch Motorhead Sweet Savage Raven Ozzy and Motorhead are not part of NWOBHM  same mistake as with Judas Priest, they are not , not
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Posted By: el dingo
Date Posted: June 18 2009 at 05:06
I couldn't afford a membership but I was a Marquee regular 1973-1976-ish and drank in The Ship many times. I saw Motorhead's first Marquee gig, with Larry Wallis (Pink Fairies) on guitar and a guy called Lucas Fox on drums. Lemmy managed to set his cabinet on fire - we could see the valves glowing bright orange, catching the gauze alight while he did his machine gun bit with the bass!
Saw too many bands at the Marquee to do a list so just a few: Lizzy, Stray, Fusion Orchestra, Fairies, Hogs, Vinegar Joe, etc etc etc.
I remember they did well cheap toasties and had a tennis video game on the corridor wall. Fantastic times that can never be repeated. Also saw Maiden at the Ruskin near Wanstead Flats a couple of times. ------------- It's not that I can't find worth in anything, it's just that I can't find worth in enough. |
Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: June 18 2009 at 05:08
O yeh Samson, one of the forgotten heavy bands of the glory days, Still enjoy very much Shock tactics from 1981 is among my fav from this genre, Bruce rules as always
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Posted By: el dingo
Date Posted: June 18 2009 at 05:11
You're right b_olariu - in addition to my above post, Motorhead debuted in 1975 as a very loud hard rock band. When Wallis and Fox were ousted for Clarke and Taylor around 1976 they became more metal and predated NWOBHM by about four years.
Sorry David - I don't often disagree with you ------------- It's not that I can't find worth in anything, it's just that I can't find worth in enough. |
Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: June 18 2009 at 05:18
And if you imagine that Motorhead opened in 1975 in Manchester for Greenslade to opposites bands as sound and they were on same stage, curious thing I guess.
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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: June 18 2009 at 06:02
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Ah the Marquee in Wardour Street - spiritual home of NWOBHM (and later of the NWOBPR) - too many gigs to list, but the Tygers Of Pan Tang were always good value, as were Magnum... halcyon days....
As for 'The Ship', many blurry memories of that watering hole - maybe one of the prog curry nights could meet there for old times' sake -------------
Jon Lord 1941 - 2012 |
Posted By: Man Erg
Date Posted: June 18 2009 at 06:03
I suppose I started going to The Marquee around 1974/75-ish. I saw all of the Van der Graaf gigs there '76/'77. I also saw Iron Maiden at The Ruskin Arms.I was a regular at Bananas Club in Wardour Street.They had a 'Heavy Metal Night' every Wednesday during the late 70s/early 80s. I saw a band called More play at Bananas a couple of times.The line-up at one point included Duncan 'Sandy' Sanderson ex of The Pink Fairies and The (Social) Deviants. Another member was John McEvoy who would later play in Gillan. -------------
Do 'The Stanley' otherwise I'll thrash you with some rhubarb. |
Posted By: Man Erg
Date Posted: June 18 2009 at 06:04
Spiffing idea that man! -------------
Do 'The Stanley' otherwise I'll thrash you with some rhubarb. |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: June 18 2009 at 06:11
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Our regular heavy metal nights were at (originally) The Stonehouse in Hatfield & later on at Hatfield Polytechnic; run by Steve Hawkins & Norman Smith of The Powerhouse, which I seem to remember had a rather unhealthy rivalry going with neil kay of The Soundhouse (one of Maiden's earlier supporters).
Had regular live gigs, including Larry Miller (great blues guitarist & still going I believe), Dumpys Rusty Nuts (always good for a laugh) and a pre-disappear-up-one's-own-bottom Thunder. Living in Potters Bar & being young & skint, the Marquee could sometimes stretch the pocket a bit, but we always had St Albans City Hall, which I still look back on as one of my favorite ever venues. -------------
Jon Lord 1941 - 2012 |
Posted By: el dingo
Date Posted: June 18 2009 at 08:25
Yea! Last rattler back to Norwich from Liverpool Street  ------------- It's not that I can't find worth in anything, it's just that I can't find worth in enough. |
Posted By: Man Erg
Date Posted: June 18 2009 at 08:53
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Excellent! Noticed that nobody has name-checked....wait for it....wait for it... Ethel The Frog ,Toad The Wet Sprocket,Vardis and Turps...er,sorry...White Spirit. Metal For Muthas anyone? -------------
Do 'The Stanley' otherwise I'll thrash you with some rhubarb. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: June 18 2009 at 19:09
OK I'll give you Motorhead but they debuted first album in 1977, and: "the band was part of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Wave_of_British_Heavy_Metal - New Wave of British Heavy Metal , which re-energized http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_metal_music - heavy metal in the late '70s and early '80s" granted wiki is not the best souyrce for metal history but Encyclopedia Metallum doesn't have NWoBHM as a genre (nor a history page )Ozzy - though perhaps (and understandably) not thought of by Brits as part of NWoBHM - was absolutely involved in how the whole movement emerged in the U.S., particularly the Bay Area where NWoBHM had its home away from home. So yeah, I guess most don't include Motorhead or Ozzy in with the rest. But they should. |
Posted By: moe_blunts
Date Posted: June 18 2009 at 19:19
Although I love Iron Maiden, it doesn't get any better than this: ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/moe_blunts/?chartstyle=minimalDarkRecent"> 
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Posted By: el dingo
Date Posted: June 19 2009 at 02:48
Yeah - Ozzy didn't inaugurate the OzzFest for nothing - he was father figure to quite a few new bands and thus influential on the scene. Still don't agree with Motorhead tho ------------- It's not that I can't find worth in anything, it's just that I can't find worth in enough. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: June 19 2009 at 02:53
^ true, our love affair with Lemmy was a few years late  |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: June 19 2009 at 03:04
I still have that album somewhere... also featured Nutz (formerley known as Rage - or was it the other way around???); I also remember a free album given away with 'Sounds' in about 1980ish - tabloid sized music paper giving away a 12" album with each copy... those were the days 
Another "where-are-they-now?" from the ranks of NWOBHM... Quartz! Bloody good Brummie band as I remember -------------
Jon Lord 1941 - 2012 |
Posted By: Man Erg
Date Posted: June 19 2009 at 04:54
They (Quartz) recorded a fine version of Mountain's Nantucket Sleighride for Reddington's Rare Records. I remember scanning Reddington's Rare Records adverts in the back of Sounds every week.Ah. The memories... -------------
Do 'The Stanley' otherwise I'll thrash you with some rhubarb. |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: June 19 2009 at 06:01
Sounds printed one of my letters once, extolling the virtues of The Handsome Beasts... -------------
Jon Lord 1941 - 2012 |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: June 19 2009 at 06:16
Which is waaaay pre NWOBHM. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: June 19 2009 at 07:50
So does that make is Proto-NWOBHM or NWOBHM-Related? 
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Jon Lord 1941 - 2012 |
Posted By: Man Erg
Date Posted: June 19 2009 at 08:13
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Has anyone mentioned Motorhead's protoges,Girlschool yet? Definately NWOBHM.I saw them support Motorhead at Hammy Odeon @ 1980.
I also saw them support Tygers of Pan Tang. A couple members of the band were regular drinkers at The Lonsdale in Portobello Road. The Lonsdale is a Samuel Smiths pub and in the late 70s/early 80s, you could open the doors to the pub and bump into assorted Pink Fairies,members of Hawkwind,Inner City Unit,Edgar Broughton Band and Julian Lennon! Yep.That's right Julian Lennon.He formed and short lived band with Lemmy's 'Son'.Paul someone or other? A great boozer.It smelled of pachouli,Samuel Smith's Museum Ale,cider,Newcastle Brown Ale,and motorbike sump oil.A heady mixture indeed. Most of my Saturdays from 1979-1981 were spent in and around Portobello Road.This was mainly because of the Notting Hill Record and Tape Exchange. I would buy about half a dozen albums.Go down Portobello Road buy a few 'grandad shirts',waistcoats etc. pop into The Lonsdale for a pint or six.Nip upto the HMV in Notting Hill Gate.This branch was a very small one and it was run by a metallist who would ,once you were in with him' give you promo albums for nothing.I remember him giving me a copy of Cozy Powell's 'Over The Top' album. I would then head off home to S.E. London,Have something to eat and either go upto THe Marquee or to a pub in Greenwich called The Swan to see either Dumpy's Rusty Nuts or Purple Haze.And all for £1 and eleventy-twelve pence. -------------
Do 'The Stanley' otherwise I'll thrash you with some rhubarb. |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: June 19 2009 at 09:53
Another of my old haunts - not sure about an album/band? Buy their album 2nd hand for 50p & check them out (after participating in the usual ritual of inspecting the condition of said vinyl at the counter of course). Ah memories... Oh yes - in the 1970's / 1980's I smelt of patchouili as well -------------
Jon Lord 1941 - 2012 |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: June 19 2009 at 09:58
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Posted By: Man Erg
Date Posted: June 19 2009 at 11:22
Loads of excellent bargains could be had especially in the basement of the branch in Pembroke Villas? I found Spooky Tooths's first album on the 'pink' Island Record label and loads of Vertigo 'swirl' label albums. I also found a few extra-curricular substances in some of the albums that I bought! Stashes hidden and subsequently lost. I also found a 'dear John' letter in the end of the fold-out sleeve of Fruup's Prince of Heaven's Eyes album. -------------
Do 'The Stanley' otherwise I'll thrash you with some rhubarb. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: June 19 2009 at 17:04
yeah Girlschool toured S.F. a few times, plus the whole Motorhead/St. Valentine's Day Massacre thing, kind of a novelty to see an all-girl metal band (I use the term 'metal' lightly) |
Posted By: el dingo
Date Posted: June 20 2009 at 14:39
Kim McAuliffe used to be with a band called Painted Lady with Deirdre Cartwright (Jam Today & others) and three other girls. Our lot used to see them at The Two Brewers in Clapham and The Ship in Parsons Green/Wandsworth loads of times. Kim's mum once actually conned me & some of my mates into joining her in a sponsored wheelchair push in aid in aid of Roehampton Hospital. Our gig fee was a free half in each of the 16 pubs we passed en route! I've still got some pics somewhere. We all used to call her "Mrs C" after Richie Cunningham's mum in Happy Days 'cos she was so cool & attractive! Went round chez McAuliffe quite a few times during that glorious summer of '76 - although I lived well North of the river it seemed I hardly went home all summer.
Kim was really nice but back then she was second singer and rhythm with Painted Lady; when she fronted the band when they played as a three-piece (The Ship) she was so nervous it wasn't true, particularly when it came to lead. We used to give them a lot of good-natured stick, that's for sure. They'd do stuff like Live Wire, Hey Joe, Long Train Runnin'. Used to hang around in that crowd quite a bit for a while. A few years later I read about Girlschool and couldn't believe Kim had done so well - could not have happened to a nicer girl tho.
Never saw Girlschool, at all, just one of the precursors about 50 times - all free of course  ------------- It's not that I can't find worth in anything, it's just that I can't find worth in enough. |