Titanic (Norway) for Prog Related
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Topic: Titanic (Norway) for Prog Related
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Subject: Titanic (Norway) for Prog Related
Date Posted: May 21 2009 at 11:28
Hi guys, I presented this band to Heavy Prog:
With valid reasons Raff told me this band had already been rejected, but I see no reasons why a band that has clear Prog elements of Uriah Heep, Deep Purple and Santana, shouldn't be added to Prog Related.
Even more, there's a precedent, being an obscure band from Norway from the days Norway was not full of Prog bands (1969 - 1979), I never expected to find them in many sites, but they are
Not determinant but at least we're not talking about a controversial band I believe this is a book case, not relation by members or some pseudo influence alone, but an evident number of Prog elements, that may not be enough for a full Prog genre, even when more than enough for Prog Related.
Will wait for your kind evaluation.
Thanks
Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: gr8dane
Date Posted: May 21 2009 at 13:36
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Holy smokes.
Never thought of lookin' for those guys on u-tube.Fantastic.
I got their first four albums on cd .1rst one is a mixed bag in a good sense.A bit of Beatles,Tull,Procol Harum and ofcourse their own sound.
Next 2 are totally prog.By album 4 they moved towards sourthern States rock.
Nice work Ivan.
Titanic gets my vote for inclusion.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: May 21 2009 at 13:39
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M'kay - I'll kick it upstairs. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: May 21 2009 at 16:13
We do not usually evaluate bands a second time, but I'd like to put a suggestion forward... Since we rejected the band after having listened to only one album (Eagle Rock), if we manage to have access to some more material, we might consider moving them to HP AFTER they've been added to PR (if the Admins agree, that is ). Unfortunately, this is what can happen when the exposure to a band or artist's material is limited to a few items. |
Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: May 21 2009 at 16:58
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Great band i support the addition to PR
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: May 21 2009 at 17:00
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As a fact, I believe they are better in Prog Related, because despite the obvious Prog elements, they were mainly a Hard Rock band with strong Psyche conections, but not purely Prog.
Iván -------------
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Posted By: npjnpj
Date Posted: May 22 2009 at 03:48
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Their inclusion (under prog-related) would have my full support, for the exact reasons Ivan put forward above. I was actually surprised to hear that they're still active, and they released a new album a short while back, which sounds as if no time has passed between their first albums and the present. I't wasn't easy to get hold of Lucky me.. |
Posted By: lucas
Date Posted: May 22 2009 at 05:52
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Well, if we have Deep Purple, Wishbone Ash, Black Sabbath, Deep Purple and Uriah Heep I have nothing against the addition of a band in the same vein.
It makes me think that we don't have yet another fine blues-influenced hard-rock band in PA : 10 years after... ------------- "Magma was the very first gothic rock band" (Didier Lockwood) |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: May 22 2009 at 10:36
I believe their case is special, unlike the bands mentioned by you (Except Uriah Heep who IMO have 3 100% Prog albums), TITANIC has a very strong psyche connection and a clear Latin sound like Santana and an almost full Prog album like Eagle Rock..
Plus every band is an individual case.
To be honest, I believe TITANIC is a late Proto Prog band, but we have limited parameters of time and their most Prog albums are post 1970.
Yes, I still believe we are talking about a PR band. in the Prog Archives context.
Iván -------------
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Posted By: ZowieZiggy
Date Posted: June 05 2009 at 12:36
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That would be a very good idea to include Titanic in the archives. I must smile while I read that once a band is rejected, he can't make a second chance. Bowie has been rejected several times and he is in, so???
This band is part of my youth (unfortunately very little info is circulating about them). I was delighted by their first album which is a great heavy-prog one with lots of keys (Searchin', I See No Reason).
The relation with Santana is only valid for their gorgeous single ''Sultana'' IMO.
I would vote ''yes'' to their entry here (but I don't have the right to vote). So would be my vote for TYA (ooooops: Ten Years After). ------------- ZowieZiggy |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: June 05 2009 at 14:03
Bowie was added to Prog-Related, therefore didn't go through 'normal' channels - i.e. genre team evaluation. Titanic were evaluated by the HP team at the end of January, and the result was that none of the team members (The Whistler, The Quiet One and I) thought the material we listened to was progressive enough. If that makes us incompetent to judge, so be it. However, I would think our work deserves a modicum of respect, and not to be ridiculed in the general forum. |
Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: June 05 2009 at 14:12
Raff, why do you think that Zowie opinion is ridiculed??? ------------- |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: June 05 2009 at 14:16
| Perhaps you should read his post again.... |
Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: June 05 2009 at 14:21
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ah the TYA thing.... mmmm ------------- |
Posted By: ZowieZiggy
Date Posted: June 06 2009 at 06:00
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: June 06 2009 at 17:52
I second ivàn and Zowie on this issue
They're worth more than related ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: June 06 2009 at 17:56
| Ivan said they are better suited for Related, and I think I told him that there were two negative votes out of three in our team. I may even decide to have them re-evaluated, but then I'll ask everyone else to do the same for bands that have been rejected outright. I don't see why we have to be singled out in this. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: June 06 2009 at 18:08
I absolutelñy respect your opinion, and honestly believe they are the perfect Prog related band, Prog, but not 100%.
Iván -------------
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: June 06 2009 at 19:06
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prog related it is, then
sorry for misrteading ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 06 2009 at 19:54
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Titanic is currently being evaluated by the Admin team. At the moment we simply do not have enough votes to give an answer. ------------- What? |
Posted By: ZowieZiggy
Date Posted: June 07 2009 at 09:04
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If this would help, I can upload their first two albums in mp3 format (which are definitely heavy prog) with ''yousendit''. Just indicate me an e-mail address for doing so.
After having listened to these albums, I am quite sure of the band inclusion. I won't argue PR or HP although I do share Hughes' opinion that they are more than Prog Related. One should really listen to ''Titanic'' and ''Sea Wolf'' (totally heavy prog) before making a judgement.
If the decision if only based on ''Eagle Rock'' it is just wrong.
I am also willing to help with the albums addition (only studio work because they released almost double compilations as original albums). ------------- ZowieZiggy |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: June 07 2009 at 14:50
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As I already said to Daniel (whom I hope will respond to me) in a PM, the HP team is willing to reassess the band, since the evaluation was indeed based solely on Eagle Rock. If, after having listened to the two albums mentioned in the above post, we still don't feel they are suited to be added to HP, they will be immediately submitted to the Admins for PR. Incidentally, this is the first time Titanic have been officially suggested for addition. They were evaluated by the HP team because I had 'found' them during my wanderings on the web, over two years ago. No one here had ever mentioned them before. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 07 2009 at 16:32
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: June 07 2009 at 17:29
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Don't forget Flaming Youth, please Dean
Iván -------------
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 07 2009 at 17:45
How could we  ------------- What? |
Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: June 22 2009 at 13:10
| Titanic have been approved for Prog related.... |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: June 22 2009 at 17:22
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GREAT, if nobody wants to write the Bio, I'll do it.
Iván -------------
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Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: June 22 2009 at 23:53
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As a normal neurotic obsessive,. added TITANIC bio, info anf photo today, http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=4609 - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=4609
The albums will be added in the next days
Iván -------------
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Posted By: ZowieZiggy
Date Posted: June 23 2009 at 02:15
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Hi Ivan, I can help with album infos (but probably not before next week-end). It's good that Titanic is added although I think it was wiser to include them in HP.
Cheers,
Daniel. ------------- ZowieZiggy |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: June 23 2009 at 06:59
| I tried to explain we of the HP team were willing to evaluate the band again, on the basis of the material you sent me, but no one took any notice, and there you are. I've got the albums anyway (sorry about the delay, but real life got in the way as usual), and we can always get the band moved later on. |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: June 23 2009 at 10:11
I remember Raff, but if you decide to add them, we can move the band.
As you remember we talked about the priority of adding a band if it fits in two sub-genres and then moving if necesary.
Thanks Raff,
Iván -------------
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: June 23 2009 at 10:15
No problem at all, Ivan ! We'll see how things pan out, and then decide.
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Posted By: ZowieZiggy
Date Posted: June 23 2009 at 18:15
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Hi Raffaella,
The most important thing is that the band has been added. I hope that the material I sent you (their first two albums - and by far their best) will help the HP team to admit them as such
. And if they don't, I won't commit suicide either; I'll just be
 .Cheers. ------------- ZowieZiggy |
Posted By: gr8dane
Date Posted: June 23 2009 at 20:04
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Thank You,and excellent.
Compliments to Ivan's review of Eagle Rock.
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Posted By: npjnpj
Date Posted: June 24 2009 at 04:13
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@Ivan: thanks for the bio and the first review of Eagle Rock. Glad to see that Titanic made it onto this site, very deserved, I find.
Funny thing about Eagle Rock itself: I practically bought that album the day it was released and just enjoyed it through the years as the album itself without any concious classification. I was surprised to see it desccribed as HP and after listening to it again in this new light, I have to admit: "Oh yeah!, so it is, I never noticed."
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: June 24 2009 at 05:53
Yes, thanks to Ivan ! I just wonder about one thing though.. If this band had so many fans, how come no one suggested it before now? When David and I first evaluated them (on the basis of Eagle Rock, which probably was not the best thing), it was because I had found them by chance on a blog. This story, if anything, proves that genre teams do need the input and help from other site members in order to get new bands added to the database. We do our best, but very often a collaborative effort gets the best results. |
Posted By: npjnpj
Date Posted: June 24 2009 at 06:09
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@Raff: I don't recollect them ever having had many fans. I remember that even in the early seventies Titanic were something of an insider tip and didn't fit in very well. They had their two main hits Sultana and Macumba (if I remember correctly) that were played on the radio, but the albums were quite different and didn't please the casual radio listener looking for more of the same. Somehow they got trampled by their contemporaries, mainly Deep Purple and Uriah Heep. It was (and is) quite baffling what happened to them and I have no conclusive explanantion for their obscurity. Possibly their origin of Norway worked against them too, this being a country that wasn't associated with Rock music in the slightest at the time.
I still remember a number of DP and UH fanatics who balked at the mention of Titanic for no reason that I could fathom.
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