anybody else sick of online meanies?
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Topic: anybody else sick of online meanies?
Posted By: avalanchemaster
Subject: anybody else sick of online meanies?
Date Posted: April 18 2009 at 22:07
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In the spirit of spring, and after enduring years of online message board surfing and its inherent negative side...... (I have quit boards before over how ridiculous things get...I don't wanna quit this place!) (taken from the Tech-metal appreciation thread) Yes, I have had my share of online bullying and e-terror! I would here and now like to announce my pledge to try to be a noble and just and do-gooder online! I've had it with online jerks. Anybody with me? Let's treat each other like neighbors....after all, we all have at least one BIG thing in common; this place... let's not pollute it with petty arguments and lofty elitism and the ridiculousness of long, loopy arguments. Let's have a love-in! We can agree to disagree and still maintain a courteous relationship. This ideal will also reflect well in your personal life too! Whose with me? Stand up and declare your love for prog and all its sub-genres, but also your love for your fellow progheads!  
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: April 18 2009 at 22:12
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I propose we troll each other instead. Whose with me?
------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: April 18 2009 at 22:13
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Hey man pass that over... ------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: April 18 2009 at 22:38
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But biting sarcasm is the only way I know how to express affection. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: moreitsythanyou
Date Posted: April 18 2009 at 22:40
10/10 Seriously though, the internet is a big anonymous place. Nothing is ever going to change. Accept this as a fact and just try to be nice and ignore trolls. -------------  <font color=white>butts, lol[/COLOR] |
stonebeard wrote:Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: April 18 2009 at 23:06
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completely with you ...except for the petty arguments, lofty elitism and ridiculous long loopy debates |
Posted By: avalanchemaster
Date Posted: April 18 2009 at 23:49
sure it has its place, and when well done, can be ingenius; but it is hard to emote online without being confused... eh, all I am asking for is less jackassery for its own sake. when it's for fun, yeah that's okay, but let someone know so that we don't have ridiculous ego-struggles. Maybe this is pie in the sky, and really retarded, but I thought, "what could it hurt to actually try to be decent- even in an anonymous place?"  ------------- http://www.amazon.com/gp/shops/storefront/index.html?ie=UTF8&marketplaceID=ATVPDKIKX0DER&sellerID=AP |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: April 19 2009 at 00:35
And yes, it is ridiculously pie in the sky. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: April 19 2009 at 07:43
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This is what we have a Moderation team for... People who can't behave decently to others should be kicked out, simple as that. We already get enough aggravation in our 'real' lives to really want to be subjected to abuse when we do something for our own enjoyment. Those who enjoy being mean to each other should establish their own boards and tear each other apart, if they so wish. I can tell you that I would often like to tell people here to get off in no uncertain terms, but avoid doing that because that would demean me. I used to be a member of a board dealing with family-based immigration to the US, and the things that go on there led me to leave (I still have to have my membership cancelled, but I eventually will), because I could not stand the constant stream of abuse towards everything and everybody, and the moderators' lack of action. In my humble view of the world, mutual respect should be the basis of any form of human interaction. |
Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: April 19 2009 at 10:02
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^ the problem is that there is no (forum) rule that forbids arrogance and sarcasm. Sometimes I find myself wishing that there was a filter in place that simply hides unfriendly comments.
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Posted By: zappaholic
Date Posted: April 19 2009 at 10:39
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This excellent cartoon explains it all. (Warning: language)
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19/ - http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19/
------------- "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard." -- H.L. Mencken |
Posted By: avalanchemaster
Date Posted: April 19 2009 at 11:34
well the MORE YOU KNOW part was supposed to be tongue-in-cheek! some people get it. Some don't. as someone already said, civility/diplomacy should coincide with every interaction between humans...... ------------- http://www.amazon.com/gp/shops/storefront/index.html?ie=UTF8&marketplaceID=ATVPDKIKX0DER&sellerID=AP |
Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: April 19 2009 at 12:12
Spot on. |
Posted By: Leningrad
Date Posted: April 19 2009 at 12:40
and just what are YOU gonna do about it 
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Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: April 19 2009 at 13:09
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Online abuse? I don't really care for it. I just reply for fun, but at the end of the day, it's the internet. The majority of the people on it don't even know your real name, let alone anything else about you.
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: April 19 2009 at 13:53
Because knowing your name, or anything about you, is a deterrent for people who want to be mean? I wish things were so simple in the real world .
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Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: April 19 2009 at 14:36
The internet is as anonymous as forum members make it. If I put my name, occupation and whereabouts in my profile, the internet has become a tiny bit less anonymous. I have already made too many slips-of-the-keys to be just someone else for inquisitive people who know me and read my posts. And I'll probably make some more. The internet is a river of constant change.
By the way, I don't mean any offense and if I'm a troll then I'm a troll in disguise
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Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: April 19 2009 at 14:43
I don't think you got my point Raff  I was saying that it's the thought that stops me getting offended in the slightest by keyboard warriors. If I get abused online, who cares? ------------- "Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value." Arnold Schoenberg |
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: April 19 2009 at 14:47
As an online meanie, I find this very thread mean. 
 ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: April 19 2009 at 14:51
You an online meanie?  |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: April 19 2009 at 14:59
Exactly. He's an amateur.... |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: April 19 2009 at 15:24
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I eat online meanies for breakfast.
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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: April 19 2009 at 15:35
A little free legal advice here...that's probably against the law and punished rather severely. ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: mr.cub
Date Posted: April 19 2009 at 15:35
Heck I'd have seconds and then polish it off with a tall, cool Budweiser... ------------- 
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Posted By: avalanchemaster
Date Posted: April 19 2009 at 16:01
I assume you are being jocular, as your statement seems counterproductive..... anyway, this was merely meant as a vehicle for thinking and discussing human nature at large and how the internet has affected sensibilities and common decency in a negative way..... really I just wanted to see everyone's take on it.... Strange how in this age of accelerated information evolution (and supposed inter-connectedness), we may have actually devolved as a species..... not that I am necessarily a luddite, but there are parts of Neo-luddite-ism that appeals to my primal aspects... in effect, people are accessing their primal instincts online by showing who is tougher or a better word-smith, or better at debates..... In short a good majority of people treat it as a form of competition or "one-up-manship" than is necessary... at least in my opinion... but then again I tend to think of most people as self-absorbed little win-at-any-cost machines... (occasionally) myself included.... Why the need for competition? Can't we help each other evolve in better ways than that? I guess in the end- humility seems to be lacking.... which takes absolute self-awareness and honesty (in spite of possibly not liking what you are inside of your truthful mind).... basically, this is a stage for charlatans and fakes who can live vicariously and be the superhuman they may not be in REAL LIFE..... So what can I do about it, you ask? I can turn off my computer and go about my real life. Or is real life too painful? ------------- http://www.amazon.com/gp/shops/storefront/index.html?ie=UTF8&marketplaceID=ATVPDKIKX0DER&sellerID=AP |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: April 19 2009 at 16:11
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Only one kind of meanies permitted in the PA...
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: April 20 2009 at 02:01
No, I get the joke, I just don't see how it's relevant to your post. I guess it depends on how strongly you interpret the word civility. I think people need to stop taking words on a screen so seriously, I didn't think the "argument" this was in response to was that big of a deal, but maybe that's just me and my inability to express positive emotion...
Yeah, people on the internet are bored, so what? ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: keiser willhelm
Date Posted: April 20 2009 at 02:23
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99% of the internet is bored people looking for something to do. hence 99% of the problems on the internet. most of the problems ive seen here come from people taking offense to something that was completely innocent in nature, or just misinterpreted. people need to lighten the hell up. its the internet. why take anything seriously? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/KeiserWillhelm" rel="nofollow - What im listening to |
Posted By: npjnpj
Date Posted: April 20 2009 at 08:59
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I like it here especially BECAUSE it's a community of friendly people who share a common interest.
Generally I find keyboard ninjas irritating and thankfully this forum is moderated effectively. In the past I've seen the occasional trolls disappear after a very short time.
My thanks to those responsible for doing such a great job here.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: April 20 2009 at 19:15
The sweet irony is that they will probably get bored on the internet. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: April 20 2009 at 19:21
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The worse place is imdb.com for arguments,insults and general ignorance. So coming here I'm usually joyous.I don't think I've ever seen anyone that's been hostile to any one on PA.I'm sure this is due to the high intelligence of prog fans  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/cozfunkel/" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Jozef
Date Posted: April 20 2009 at 20:03
I've never seen any outright hostility on here either. For the most part the discussions are always civil and fun. That's part of the reason I've stayed with this forum, because of how relaxed the atmosphere is here. I agree with you on the IMDB forum. Youtube also has its share of idiots posting there. I used to frequent a Smashing Pumpkins message board called Netphoria. I never registered as a member, mostly due to how rude and obnoxious everyone was to each other. It was pretty funny though reading over some of those arguments and posts on that forum. ------------- 
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Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: April 20 2009 at 20:04
You, sir, have never been to 4chan. .......   ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: April 21 2009 at 06:21
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I think 'worried' is the wrong word; "fed up with" is nearer the mark - incidentally, it's easier to read a post as being ironic if for example a "" emoticon is used.
You were being ironic, I assume? After all, I cannot think you'd pop into a thread just to randomly insult other members... that way just leads to problems... ------------- 
Jon Lord 1941 - 2012 |
Posted By: Wilcey
Date Posted: April 21 2009 at 07:10
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I do think that there are so frequently meanies on the net that unfortunately we're led to almost expect that someone is being mean in a posting, often leading to outrage where there need not be any. I know I am guilty of getting my back up reading a post that was not designed to do that. It's sad really, W x |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: April 21 2009 at 07:27
Absolutely - bottom line is it only takes a moment's thought before hitting the post button to consider how you're going to come across; if everyone was a little more considered, rather than sending random bile into the ether, it'd make my job as a moderator considerably easier...
As would a taser.
And a gun  -------------
Jon Lord 1941 - 2012 |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: April 21 2009 at 09:21
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Can someone explain to me what a troll is?I thought it was an evil dwarf that lived in a cave or under a bridge in old English or Scandinavian folklore Besides my email addresses( where I communicate with people I know physically in real life ) this site is the only place where I actually "talk" with other cyberspace entities.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: April 21 2009 at 09:36
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Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: April 21 2009 at 13:20
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Ya learn a new thing every day.
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Posted By: TheCaptain
Date Posted: April 21 2009 at 13:51
I'm a little surprised it took this long for 4chan to get mentioned. All trolling should be done exclusively on 4chan. ------------- Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal. |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: April 21 2009 at 14:11
Gotta check those out. Insults,arguments and ignorance.
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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: April 21 2009 at 14:24
Glad to see you took my suggestion and made this its own thread, Ehron. 
I for one can tell you that I have been cyber-bullied quite a bit. I said this before, but what the hell, I'll say it again!
I think when people get on the net (even grown adults who should know better) automatically feel like they are back in Highschool, and therefore have the right to start acting like ignorant kids all over again. It's a form of escapism, really; someone has a sh*tty day, but he can't very well take his fustration out on his wife and kids, so instead he goes online and trolls, bitches and bullies. Not because he's a horrible person all the time, just when he ceases to be John Butter and turns into bttrman5000, or whatever. All of a sudden he feels free, and that can be very liberating.
Anyone else think this could be the case, here?
See, for someone like me who is young enough to have seen the internet arrive by my teen years, I've always equated my net relationships with my real ones, and treat them both with just as much respect and care, or at least I try to, considering the distance and lack of voice interaction. But for someone like bttrman, who is actually much older than I, the internet is fairly new, and he has the luxury of pretending like he is in fact much younger than I am, and gets to say really mean, sh*tty immature things online to get his anger out.
Maybe I'm off, but I think this could be a very real problem. Luckily not everyone abuses the freedom of internet speech, but for those of us who do, we can get carried away.
What say you? Am I wrong?
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: April 21 2009 at 15:12
| Personally, I don't think people behave very differently on the web than they are in real life. There may be a few exceptions, but I believe that, if someone is mean-spirited in RL, and will be so on the Internet - and the other way round, of course. Yes, there are a few 'Dr Jekyll/Mr Hyde' cases around, but on the whole nice people will keep on being nice, and mean ones will keep on being mean. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: April 21 2009 at 15:26
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Oh, I think I'm much nicer on the Web than in real life. ... I have a wicked sarcastic streak that I cannot use here because it can so easily be missinterpretted. Without the bio-feedback of facial expression and body language that kind of exchange is impossible on the web and just comes across as plain cruel and nasty - even with emoticons....
What does actually mean at the end of a post? Does that really make things okay?------------- What? |
Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: April 21 2009 at 15:33
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Sometimes
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: April 21 2009 at 15:35
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I have this feeling that for me that would be never ------------- What? |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: April 21 2009 at 15:36
I am a master of saying funny things and using sarcasm, and my foot still stays in my mouth. I attribute this to other people's ignorance (people who clearly don't understand irony and subtlety- and this at educational institutions more than anywhere else). I have been called into a boss's office no less than three times to explain something I said that I thought was completely understood humorously. And what I'm doing now professionally does nothing to bolster my ever-dwindling faith in the basic intelligence of most Americans. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: April 21 2009 at 15:42
Oh, I haven't had faith in that for years, my friend.
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: April 21 2009 at 15:47
It's like saying "Come on ... I'm only breaking your balls". If I remember The Sopranos correctly, that doesn't make things okay all the time. ------------- https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike" rel="nofollow - https://tagyourmusic.org/users/Mike |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: April 21 2009 at 15:50
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"Breaking your balls"? I guess it has the same meaning as in Italian (i.e. annoy, pester someone)...
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: April 21 2009 at 15:59
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^ exactly. I'm a huge Sopranos fan ... if you don't know them yet, consider this an honest recommendation!
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: April 21 2009 at 16:24
It doesn't mean that at all in British English - it means literally what it says - and I would regard it as being aggressive is someone said it to me. ------------- What? |
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: April 21 2009 at 16:29
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In the US, that phrase can have two meanings...when used as "I'm just breaking your balls", it means I'm just screwing with you. But when used in "You're breaking my balls", it means you're being too agressive and demanding too much (particularly in negotiations or boy/girl relationships). ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: April 21 2009 at 16:55
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In Italian it means 'annoy' or even 'bore' (as in "that film was ball-breaking"). There are quite a few variations on the theme as well, such as rompipalle (ball-breaker), which means a bore, a pest, and the very popular exclamation che palle (what balls), meaning, what a boring thing/situation. OK, enough with the language lesson for now ... |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: April 21 2009 at 17:01
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My balls are precious.
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: April 21 2009 at 17:16
It should, unless someone is saying something like "Dean, I'm going to break into your house to rape and murder your daughter. ;-)" or "I hate you Dean because you are profoundly ugly and have a stupid haircut and your taste in media is so atrocious and your reasoning is so poor I can only assume that you are borderline retarded. I can't imagine how you manage to form coherent sentences. :P"
I don't understand why you seem to be disregarding the context the web does provide just because it isn't the fuller context of real life interaction. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: April 21 2009 at 17:25
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Sometimes people feel offends when you don't share their arguments and they think that is an attack.
Other times people think that you have no rights to express your opinion.
And other times people feel that my previous two above lines is about them
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: April 21 2009 at 18:29
That illustrates my point - tagging a ;-) or a :-þ on the end of any comment is practically meaningless - the severity of the comment is not diminished by adding a jokey little emoticon if the original comment was specifically offensive - the comment should be humorous and not open to misinterpretation with or without the emoticon - an emoticon only ensures that ambiguous comments are interpreted correctly. No comment that mentions rape can ever be humorous or ambiguous - in that example a ;-) is not a "free-pass" to say what you please. Comments about my appearance will never offend me - in reality I am ugly with a bad haircut and poor taste - few will dispute that, and I do have difficulty forming coherent sentences (there is more than enough evidence of that on this board) - your assumption may be incorrect, but there is nothing wrong with your reasoning.
What I meant was - what does a sticky-out tongue actually mean? - really - what does it really mean? In the UK it is a sign of insolence and rudeness, not a "Get Out Of Jail Free" card for a rude comment.
I don't disregard it in the slightest - quite the opposite in fact - it is the simple recognition of that limited context that results in the restraint, that the freedom to express myself within those confines has specific limitations set by the medium and the forum in which that medium operates. The multinational nature of the Internet also plays a contributing factor in to what I can say and how I say it - what passes for sarcasm and wit in the UK is not the same as in the USA or other parts of the world, what is innocuous to one culture is highly offensive to another. The context is not the restricted nature of having to convey meaning by mere words alone, but that the readers of those words are not of the same culture and background as myself - that the context is far broader than I would ever experience IRL and the interpretations of what I write are more often taken as literal since they deeper meaning will get lost in translation.
Without regard to context it is the anonymity of the internet that makes people think they can get away with saying what they please without regard for others and I take that into consideration when I read any drivel typed into a post by nondescripts who once read a book without pictures and think they understand the whole wealth of human experience as a result of it. Little of what anyone can mash onto the keyboard is going to offend me, not because I am especially thick skinned, or exceptionally forgiving, but simply because whatever insult that person can put together tells me more about them and their character than they will ever know of me.
However, while I cannot claim perfection, I do strive to refrain from making such posts myself since I am aware that some of the things I type through the tears of laughter are not always interpreted exactly as I typed them, because, even though I know that I can say a hurtful thing and tag a :-þ on the end of it to make like a joke, that deep down I really meant it and the recipient may know that too.
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Posted By: johnobvious
Date Posted: April 21 2009 at 21:36
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What I see a lot of here on PA is that if anyone says they like something, someone else has to come along and say it sucks. This gives them an air of superiority. The chance to demean what other people enjoy seems to drive people to post. I could start a thread saying ice cream sundaes are good and someone would come along and tell me I am full of it. So I try to temper pretty much any enthusiasm towards bands and albums anymore because I don't want to hear negativity towards my tastes. It just isn't worth it. I am sure it happens all over forums around the web. Not much can be done except to avoid forums, I guess. ------------- Biggles was in rehab last Saturday |
Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: April 21 2009 at 23:30
Sorry, I assumed due to the topic of this thread that more people will get the joke, so I didn't feel the need for an emoticon. I'm the same in real life. My friends sometimes don't know whether to take me seriously or not.
The only place I really see any internet trolling is on the few music related discussion places I browse through. It's only so long before someone calls another a fag for liking "band A". I don't go to many other discussion sites though, so that might just be me.
Just don't get me started on Youtube. ------------- 
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: April 22 2009 at 00:10
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Dean, You're good-looking, have a great haircut and have a good taste. There, said it. It's taken me years to admit that. -------------   
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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: April 22 2009 at 02:27
No problem - thought that was probably the case
+++ Back to Dean's query on the emoticon - this is one I only use personally when engaged in 'banter' with another member (usually in The Shed), a bit of one-upmanship... used in this context it becomes (to my mind anyway) a sort of shorthand for "Yah Boo Shucks", a childish tongue poking. I would be mortified if I inadvertently genuinely offended someone here.-------------
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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: April 22 2009 at 09:35
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: April 30 2009 at 21:59
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Sorry for the necropost.
Yes, that is what it means, why do you have a problem with that? Sarcasm sometimes requires ambiguity. I accept your point that it doesn't diminish a deliberately offensive comment, but I don't think that means it has no meaning.
You're not in the UK, you're on the internet. ;-)
But how is it your fault or even your problem if someone misinterprets what you said, despite your best efforts to make sure it is interpreted correctly? ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |