John Zorn should be here?
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Topic: John Zorn should be here?
Posted By: Fantômas
Subject: John Zorn should be here?
Date Posted: April 29 2005 at 17:01
One of my favorite artists. As prog as Frank Zappa, IMO. 
------------- And above all, is punk 
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Posted By: goose
Date Posted: April 29 2005 at 17:39
Remember the second word of "progressive rock" 
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Posted By: Fantômas
Date Posted: April 29 2005 at 19:04
Well, Marillion and Univers Zero aren't rock either. 
------------- And above all, is punk
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Posted By: goose
Date Posted: April 29 2005 at 19:16
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Marillion..? How not? RIO's a difficult one but contextually it comes from the Canterbury scene which was at least loosely rock, and then drifts off into madness. Zorn may use elements of rock from time to time but, I don't know, it doesn't feel right. Not that I'd kick up a fuss if he were added. |
Posted By: Bryan
Date Posted: April 29 2005 at 19:24
| If we add Zorn, that opens the door for legions of other free jazz artists. I say no. |
Posted By: Spanky
Date Posted: April 29 2005 at 19:28
I concur. ------------- Coalinga knows how to party. |
Useful_Idiot wrote:Posted By: DallasBryan
Date Posted: April 29 2005 at 20:06
| and rename the website to the AvantArchives! |
Posted By: Fantômas
Date Posted: April 29 2005 at 21:48
That would be MY DREAM!  Marillion is not rock, IMO. It's pop with prog elements. The problem is on the pop, which is poor and generic. However this is not a discussion about Marillion. ------------- And above all, is punk
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Posted By: Prog_Bassist
Date Posted: April 29 2005 at 22:17
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Pop IS rock, you fool! Pop just means that it is mainstream! ------------- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhuxaD8NzaY" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhuxaD8NzaY |
Posted By: Fantômas
Date Posted: April 29 2005 at 23:24
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God... There are two kind of music: Classical and popular (pop as you
may like to call it). It's quite obvious that rock ain't classical, so
it's pop (not because it's mainstream, you fool!)! But almost nobody
use the definition "pop" to rock, but it is. Well, I didn't use it. The
pop I meant was the "sing along" lightweight kind. As I said before, this is not to be a discussion of what is pop and what isn't. It's about the inclusion (or not) of John Zorn in the Archives. ------------- And above all, is punk
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: April 30 2005 at 08:05
Pop has always been the abbreviated form of popular music, meaning the music popular to a broad cross -section of folks - so Frank Sinatra was pop, Bing Crosby was pop, and god forbid the Spice Grils were pop. |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: April 30 2005 at 08:06
Here Here! |
Posted By: philippe
Date Posted: April 30 2005 at 12:47
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The master John Zorn can be added...his album COBRA is a classic in contemporary avant garde...however his music is maybe too noisy and strange for the general mood of the progressive genre! ------------- 
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Posted By: DallasBryan
Date Posted: April 30 2005 at 13:56
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I would think that bands such as Material (Memory
Serves) would be added before solo John Zorn works. Bill Laswell's first project, Material, with Fred Maher on drums and Michael Beinhorn on electronic keyboards, was a spin-off of Daevid Allen's band. Their Memory Serves (1981), featuring Fred Frith, Sonny Sharrock on guitar, Billy Bang on violin, George Lewis on trombone and Henry Threadgill on sax, documented Laswell's idea of austere funk and jazz fusion. |
Posted By: Manunkind
Date Posted: April 30 2005 at 14:31
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It would be OK to add Laswell's early stuff, but Zorn ------------- "In war there is no time to teach or learn Zen. Carry a strong stick. Bash your attackers." - Zen Master Ikkyu Sojun |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: April 30 2005 at 15:22
| I think he's too far outside the progressive rock field. Saw him once with the "Nederlands Blazers Ensemble" (the Dutch wind instrument ensemble?) in a very avantgarde concert. That was quite an experience, but I think that he's "too far out". Or the formula should be stretched to "progressive music" in general. |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: May 02 2005 at 08:42
Then add every other free jazz player, e.g Cycil Taylor. Daft notion! |
Posted By: JrKASperov
Date Posted: May 02 2005 at 10:08
Actually, learned from the Mr Joren himself, there is Art-music and light music. Thát is the division in music. Classical is art, and pop is light. With jazz in the middle of the spectrum, as some jazzplayers are art (Zorn) and the others are light. But also, according to the Joren, to which I have to agree, prog is often more to the art side than jazz. Oh and Joren, feel free to add this to your 'quotation' score ------------- Epic. |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: May 02 2005 at 11:07
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No also! Certainly not before Miles and Trane are in!!!!!! ------------- let's just stay above the moral melee prefer the sink to the gutter keep our sand-castle virtues content to be a doer as well as a thinker, prefer lifting our pen rather than un-sheath our sword |
Posted By: Joren
Date Posted: May 02 2005 at 18:10
| Fantomas, as you said, John Zorn is Avant-Jazz-Metal-Chamber-Symphonic-Well-Everything. So, I agre with you that SOME OF HIS MUSIC belongs here, but a lot doesn't. So, as much as I love his music and asa much as I would really love to see a nice and clear discography of his music (nowhere else on the web, except for http://www.allmusic.com - www.allmusic.com , maybe), I voted NO. |
Posted By: Fantômas
Date Posted: May 02 2005 at 19:20
It would be really nice a complete discografy and with information of John Zorn. I could even help (I'm spending a lot of time and money with him). But you might be right, he's not totally progressive. ------------- And above all, is punk
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