I discovered this yesterday, and thought the VST folks might be interested. Sorry if this has been posted before.

http://www.emsrehberg.de/SYNTHI__s/SYNTHI_Avs_plugin/synthi_avs_plugin.html - http://www.emsrehberg.de/SYNTHI__s/SYNTHI_Avs_plugin/synthi_ avs_plugin.html

I downloaded the demo, but as I am going to get Cubase SE this weekend (so as to get the G-media M-tron), I have no way to play it yet. If anyone gets the demo and uses it, please post your thoughts.

Thanks,

radiognome3

Well, I know one is an EMS Synthi AKS (same as the item linked above, but with an accompanying sequencer). There is also a Minimoog, which is the classic ELP type synth sounds (the quick filter sweeps during the instrumental bridge and outro sections of 'Welcome to The Machine"), though Keith Emerson is most famous for using a Moog Modular system. The Minimoog is a 3 oscillator, simple, hard-patched, as it were, Modular - same sounds, just much fewer sound shaping capabilities.

Arturia makes both a Minimoog and Moog Modular soft synth. G-media makes a Minimoog, as well, though for copyright reasons is called Minimonsta.
http://www.arturia.com/en/default.php - http://www.arturia.com/en/default.php
http://www.gmediamusic.com/ - http://www.gmediamusic.com/

I do not believe that Pink Floyd used an ARP 2600 (or the earlier version - 1500?), though they may have.

Ankaret wrote: Sorry to spam your thread, but does anyone know of a VST version of the synths used on "Welcome To The Machine"?!

There's a plugin called http://www.music-boss.com/freeware_plug-in_crazy_diamonds.htm - Crazy Diamonds (where'd that name come from? ) that does the string synths very well. Not really suitable for the leads, though.

I'll have to check out the EMS plug-in. thanks for the info!

oliverstoned wrote:
"Hello radiognome, here's planet gong.
are you aware of the new Gong CD live 1975 with pieces from You, shamal and Fish rising?"

Do you mean the Sherwood Forest '75 CD? Yes I do know about it, but thanks all the same. The Live Floating Anarchy '91 looks to be excellent, as well.

And Ankaret, I am almost positive that the leads on Welcome to The Machine are a Minimoog. The Synthi AKS is not really designed for lead plaing, but it may be a Minimoog being processed through the Synthis filter, though it doesn't sound like that to me. Sounds like a Moog.

radiognome3 wrote: And Ankaret, I am almost positive that the leads on Welcome to The Machine are a Minimoog. The Synthi AKS is not really designed for lead plaing, but it may be a Minimoog being processed through the Synthis filter, though it doesn't sound like that to me. Sounds like a Moog.

Wish you were here toys:

Moog 'Mini moog model 'D'

ARP (Alan R.Pearlman) Badged Solina String Ensemble.

(EMS) ELectronic Music Studio's 'Synthi A(KS)'

^ Thanks KE9! Minimoog it is.

I downloaded the EMS plug-in...it looks and sounds pretty good, but I couldn't really check it out on a track because it produces an annoying noise every 10 seconds or so...demo versions .

Now if I only had the real thing to do a side-by-side comparison! All I'd have to do is sell my car and find someone who is willing to let go of theirs...

Actually, I was toying around today and one of the lead patches on Cubase's A1 Synth came as close as I really wanted it to sounding like the synths on WTTM. Im still a noOb and don't know how to tweak the moog so Ill stick with this...Im not really sure what is meant by

"If it's any help, for the lead part try one sawtooth and one square (with the third one or the other) wave with a hint of VCO drift or not synched, and a little sawtooth LFO to mudulate the sawtooth VCO."

Hi Ankaret:

With a Minimoog, try the following for the lead sound:

VCO1: Sawtooth or triangle wave
VCO2: Square wave
VCO3: Square or sawtooth/triangle wave(experiment) - you may not need to use the third oscillator (or the second for that matter if you can get the filter/resonance set to your liking)

Blend VCO 1, 2 and 3 with individual volume controls. For the LFO, experiment with the wave type, and add a little as needed. Adjusting the filter high(ish) and the resonance low(ish) to mid, and adjust the filter ADSR as needed. You will have to add a glissando or glide or set the parameters for gate on/off to avoid a seventies videogame-type gap between the monophonic signals (or early Depeche Mode sequences, if you will). Or, if the soft synth allows, set the pitch-wheel parameters to allow for a larger note compass, and use the pitch wheel to play the lead.

Karnevil9 added to the mix the ARP String Ensemble, which produced the string pad that the synth lead is played over.

Hope this is more understandable.

Hi Ankaret:

I have been looking at the Arturia and G-media Moogs, and in the control area where the pitch/mod wheels are located is a switch labelled 'Glide' (I think it is the top switch in the control area immediately to the left of the keyboard). Glide, or portomento (sic), allows a monophonic instrument to sound as if there is an immediate continuity between sounds (glissando is different but when delicately controlled creates a similar effect).

Using the Glide feature (which should be tweakable since this is a softsynth - meaning it should be capable of more than just on or off), you should be able to smoothly transition between notes. Adding a bit of decay to the oscillators (the same amount to each), may additionally help.

Since the Minimoog is a monophonic instrument, each time a key is depressed, a gate is switched on beginning the sending of a voltage unit - when it is released it goes off and the voltage stops. Thus VCO = Voltage Controlled Oscillator. Purists may argue that this is not true gating, but the concept is identical - an on/off signal is being sent/stopped.

just an update- last night I downloaded...uh, well, let's just call it a less limited demo ...and it's pretty close to the original sound as far as I can tell. The only negative point being that the EMS was a pretty basic synth to begin with, tone-wise, and the plug-in seems pretty pricey for what you get. If you have a decent knowledge of synthesis techniques you could probably get the same sounds (and even that pin/grid interface) from other sources. I'd say buy it only if you really want to have the 'authorized' EMS product.

James Lee wrote: just an update- last night I downloaded...uh, well, let's just call it a less limited demo ...and it's pretty close to the original sound as far as I can tell. The only negative point being that the EMS was a pretty basic synth to begin with, tone-wise, and the plug-in seems pretty pricey for what you get. If you have a decent knowledge of synthesis techniques you could probably get the same sounds (and even that pin/grid interface) from other sources. I'd say buy it only if you really want to have the 'authorized' EMS product.

Btw:

EMS will manufacture you a 'VCS-3' eactly the same as the original with MIDI of course for around £1,400 stirling last time i knew.

EMS OVERKILL

Yum Yum..(btw EMS built a special one off synth for the band YES)

ooh Baby ARP '2500' (This was the synth used on 'A Close encounter of the third king,but the one on the film was built into a white space aged modulas).The guy you see playing it was ARP's cheif engineer)

come to daddy Moogiwoogi modular

Hey, if each of those are truly modular doe that mean if you had all three you could make one monster synth out of them?

WOW.

probably pointless, but just imagine it...

The ARP and the Moog, perhaps, not so the Synthi (without extensive modification). Both the Arp and the Moog generate control voltages at 1:12 ratio (meaning a voltage can be translated into each note of a standard chromatic scale). The EMS architecture was not 1:12, but rather something like 1:10 (or something, I just know it is not 1:12).

Not that this matters, ultimately. But the keyboard controllers for the Moog and the ARP were made to transmit (for lack of a better term) the 12 chromatic notes in a 1:12 ratio, where as the sequencer controller (that looks like a keyboard) for the AKS (or the EMS DK1 keyboard controller made for use with all of the EMS synths), was made to transmit the 12 chromatic notes using the EMS ratio. I believe the Buechla modulars used a platform specific ratio as well.

I do not know, however, if modules from the ARP or the Moog are swappable.

James Lee wrote: Hey, if each of those are truly modular doe that mean if you had all three you could make one monster synth out of them? WOW. probably pointless, but just imagine it...

No you can not link an ARP upto a Moog..they will not talk to each other...The reason Tom Oberhiem started up with his Synths he used to be a salesman & also produced a unit that would allow the two different companies products to talk ...Anyhow to cut a long story short Toms synths sounded excellent & hit off in such a big way the rest is history.

To have these modular systems fully MIDI adapted would be a cryme in the least & a large amount of dosh...You could never fully MIDI these systems anyhow to use everY paramiter on offer.

Well, here's our chance:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=38071&item=7319857496&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3 8071&item=7319857496&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

Who needs a down payment on a house, anyway?

James Lee wrote: Well, here's our chance: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=38071&item=7319857496&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3 8071&item=7319857496&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW Who needs a down payment on a house, anyway?

That is daylight robbery

Never Liked the 'A(KS)..much prefered the 'VCS-3' with the 'DK' Duo-phonic keyboard.

Karnevil9 wrote: James Lee wrote: Well, here's our chance: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=38071&item=7319857496&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3 8071&item=7319857496&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW Who needs a down payment on a house, anyway? That is daylight robbery   Never Liked the 'A(KS)..much prefered the 'VCS-3' with the 'DK' Duo-phonic keyboard.

What is you setup now KE9?

Harlequin wrote: Karnevil9 wrote: James Lee wrote: Well, here's our chance: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=38071&item=7319857496&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3 8071&item=7319857496&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW Who needs a down payment on a house, anyway? That is daylight robbery   Never Liked the 'A(KS)..much prefered the 'VCS-3' with the 'DK' Duo-phonic keyboard. What is you setup now KE9?

EMS 'VCS-3'

Mini Moog

RSF 'Kobol' + Add on

ARP 'Omni'

Sequential Circuits 'Prophet 5' & 'Pro-one' & 'six tracks'

Moog 'Polymoog' & 'Multimoog' but need repairing & i have an ARP '2600' which is nearly complete.

Over the last 10 years i've managed to accumilate most modules as to build up a Moog 55 modular system...one day.

Bought a Roland 'Jupiter 8' which needs a fix & hoping to collect a OSC 'Oscar' & ARP 'Quadra'this week if the deal pulls off

Holy sh*t....that's impressive!!!!

How about some pics of YOUR stuff (assuming the pics you posted weren't yours)?

What, no Oberheims?

Just kidding, that's a dream setup. I'd love to see a pic of your collection as well. The only analog synths I've owned were a Juno-106 and a Moog/Radio Shack MG-1...not really in a league with those classics of yours.

Wow KE9.

yes pics would be cool.  do you ever take them out to play or are they tucked up at home for safe keeping?

Any music we can listen to?

Harlequin wrote: Wow KE9. yes pics would be cool.  do you ever take them out to play or are they tucked up at home for safe keeping? Any music we can listen to?

No i do not play them if i can help it.They get fully rebuilt & restored to mint/showroom condition,eventually as the collection grows these will be my retirement