The Savage Rose (Psyche-Prog or Proto)
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Topic: The Savage Rose (Psyche-Prog or Proto)
Posted By: tamijo
Subject: The Savage Rose (Psyche-Prog or Proto)
Date Posted: January 26 2009 at 08:56
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Does any of You know the Danish band called Savage Rose, i would say they deserve a spot on PA.
Infact they are progressive at a very early point in history.
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Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: January 26 2009 at 09:25
Hej Dansker
Ja jeg kender dem selvfølgelig godt og havde også tænkt mig at foreslå dem på et tidspunkt. Du skal dog bruge Suggest new bands siden. Hvis du vil foreslå dem er det en god ide at have nogle argumenter klar for hvorfor de vil være en gevinst for PA og derudover nogle samples af deres mest progressive sider. Derudover skal du gøre dig nogle tanker om hvilket sub-genre de ville passe bedst ind i. Mit forsl*g ville være proto-prog. Man må iøvrigt kun skrive på engelsk her, så jeg laver lige en lille forkortet oversættelse.
Ps. har du ikke glemt Dødens Triumf ? Og velkommen iøvrigt. Hvis du har nogen spørgsmål er du velkommen til at kontakte mig. Jeg har nogle af Savage Rose albums digitalt hvis du skulle få brug for samples.
A short translation of my above text is that I suggested tamijo to place his suggestion in the suggest bands section and make sure that he provide some samples for the team to listen to. I will only write in English from now on but it sure felt good to write something in my own language for once.
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Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: January 26 2009 at 10:00
Hi UMUR
I just wanted to c the reaction first, would anyone know them, would the be considered Prog.
ect ect.
The make a more formal suggestion if any interest.
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UMUR wrote:Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: January 26 2009 at 10:31
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Good idea.
I´ve seen other people mention The Savage Rose here on PA but not many. That doesn´t mean that they wouldn´t make a great addition to the site though. Remember to contact me if you need any help with the suggestion part.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: January 26 2009 at 10:32
I second (or third  ) Savage Rose's inclusion.
I've only heard their fifth Dodens Truimf, which I know is not that representative of the usual stuff theu do, but reading up on the band, there is no doubt they're prog.
I can see them in Psych prog (no doubt Eetu and the boys will bevaluate this ) or in Proto-prog
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Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: January 26 2009 at 11:31
| I agree with either psych or proto, but I lean most against proto, but like you Sean I haven´t listened to that much of their rather large discography. But I do know that they are one of the most important influences on the seventies progressive rock scene in Denmark. My guess is that their first couple of albums are in the psych catagory and that later albums ( late sixties/ early seventies albums, not their later albums) are more experimental/ progressive. Is that true tamijo? |
Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: January 26 2009 at 12:46
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Just briefy relistened the 1st. (selftiled) and yes they could well be described as Proto Prog, allthough the are somehow a lot more experimental/jazzy than The Door or The Beatless.
Later (late 70's ) they travel in the former East Europe and start taking inspiration from the local folk traditions there, becomming more of a " Political left/anarcistic Prog/Folk band", and even later (from mid 90's) they start making music of a modern and "POP" like sound (like PG's SO) combining lots of styles. Jazz POP Reggae ect ect.
If interested start with the first 5-6 albums, they are most interesting seen from a PA view.
(and maby a bit more easy to understand, because vocals are in English)
NB.: From 1995 they are in English again. But less directly Prog.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 26 2009 at 13:19
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For those that do not read Danish...
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Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: January 26 2009 at 14:22
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Yeah I know what you think Dean, but they are legal |
. Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 26 2009 at 14:48
Be that as it may (and many have claimed to know what I think, only a few have succeeded ) - the rules of the forum are all posts are in to be English - although my translation is crude and I made no attempt to make it grammatically correct, it did reveal a possible further infraction of the rules. Thank you for the clarification.------------- What? |
Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: January 26 2009 at 14:54
No problem and your translation were actually very good .
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Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: January 26 2009 at 16:11
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Im not sure how to get "legal" samples, from the early period. I got CD's (LEGAL!!) , but im not sure if it would be legal to share a copyrighted CD sample.
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 26 2009 at 16:12
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^ it is not legal to share copyrighted material. Sorry. ------------- What? |
Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: January 26 2009 at 16:23
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No i understand that perfectly, but how do people provide samples then, do i have to contact the artist ? ------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 26 2009 at 16:28
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Based on your suggestion, together with UMUR's and Hugues's further recommendations and from what I've heard on their MySpace page, I feel that a case for their inclusion could be made in the Suggest New Bands thread so that Eetu and the team can evaluate them for Psyche/Space or pass them on for Proto-Prog inclusion. http://profile.myspace.com/savagerosemusic - http://profile.myspace.com/savagerosemusic
http://video.google.co.uk/videosearch?hl=en&safe=off&resnum=1&q=Savage+Rose&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&oi=video_result_group&resnum=4&ct=title# - YouTube Videos
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Savage_Rose - Wiki Entry
If you could give links to MySpace and YouTube tracks that give a good indication of their Progressive output that would be of great help.
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Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: January 26 2009 at 17:07
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Thanks a lot,
I will check them out and make an entry at the Suggest page soon ------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 26 2009 at 17:09
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^ This is now the Band Suggestion Page for Savage Rose - I've moved it ------------- What? |
Posted By: June
Date Posted: January 26 2009 at 18:25
And it gets me to practice my "paternal language"
.Such a cool band though, right up my alley. Didn't know about them, so thanks for sharing. I've only sampled what last.fm, but so far, I'm loving the vocalist.
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Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: January 27 2009 at 00:09
| I´ve found the perfect place for samples: http://www.thesavagerose.com/srworks.html - http://www.thesavagerose.com/srworks.html |
Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: January 27 2009 at 00:27
| And yes June. Annisette is a fantastic vocalist. Very original and powerful. |
Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: January 27 2009 at 02:25
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Thanks for all the help.
Im starting to relisten their albums (from the beginning) soon ill post a short introduction to the band
and a few notes on each album
(havent got them all though, so have to pass on a few, unless the libary got them) ------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: January 27 2009 at 04:50
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The Danish Library system has almost all albums from The Savage Rose ( Maybe all I´m not sure) among lots of other things featured on PA. A great resourse if you don´t want to buy every album you review. And it´s a legal way too. Now that´s one of the reasons why we pay the highest taxes in the world ( at least one of the highest anyway).
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Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: January 27 2009 at 10:39
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This one might be even better for samples even though I don´t see Dødens Triumf there which is their most progressive album as far as I´m told.
http://musik.tdconline.dk/servlets/2452306090224Dispatch/19/jspinclude?file=./index.jsp&page=viewartist&artistid=2669205 - http://musik.tdconline.dk/servlets/2452306090224Dispatch/19/jspinclude?file=./index.jsp&page=viewartist&artistid=2669205
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Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: January 27 2009 at 13:15
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The Savage, was formed in 1967 by Thomas Koppel: Composer, Keyboards, Lyrics (After Anders left) At the age of 18 Thomas Koppel 's wrote a Hans Christian Andersen opera 'A MOTHER'S TALE', and became a sensation for it's dramatic power and professionalism, vocal knowledge, and sophisticated orchestration. A MOTHER'S TALE was performed by THE ROYAL OPERA for two consecutive seasons. During his teens and earliest twenties Thomas Koppel's musical compositions developed into larger, important orchestral works, performed by major orchestras and soloists. 'Ouverture Solennelle' for orchestra, awarded 1st prize in the International Composers' Competition of the City of Annisette : Vocal, Lyrics (after Anders Left) Her unique voice is no doubt as important as Thomas Music, Savage Rose wouldent be Savage Rose without her, she is still performing with Savage Rose, even though Thomas Koppel (also her husband) departed in 2006 Anders Koppel: Keyboards, Lyrics The brother of Thomas, and co-founder of Savage Rose, contributed writing all the lyrics and playing Keybords, until he left the band in 1974. Not long after his departure he formed the Danish Jazz Fusion band Bazar, making several great albums, the latest in 2006. Since 1997 he has also written quite a few classical works, amongst others Concerts for Marimba !! Alex Riel : Drums When Alex joined The Savage Rose he was already a well known Danish Jazz Drummer, playing live with international names like Ben Webster, Dexter Gordon, Donald Byrd og Yusef Lateef in Copenhagen, and touring as part of Bill Evans Trio all over Europe. He stayed with Savage Rose for 5 years, after witch he again became part of the Jazz Scene. He has played with Wayne Shorter, Freddie Hubbard, Jackie McLean, Archie Shepp, Dizzy Gillespie, Michel Petrucciani, Gary Burton, John Scofield and David Sanborn. Alex Riel is no doubt the greatest drummer Jens Rugsted: Bass Flemming Ostermann: Guitar Nils Tuxen replaced Flemming Ostermann from their second album. Savage Rose made 6 albums with this constellation, the last “Dødens Triumf” (triumph of death) an instrumental (with one song) ballet, the most classical music inspired they ever did. The album became an huge success. A 2-LP version was realeased in 1979, but redrawn quickly, it was sold in about 50 copys, before the sales was stopped by legal action from T. Koppel. The ballet, became the biggest success ever of The Royal Ballet - a sell-out over 30 years now, with performances as far as at the The Metropolitan in The original band split up, Savage Rose recorded the gospel/jazz-albummet " Drums Alex Riel, Bass Niels Henning Ørsted Pedersen and an American gospelgroup. After this they put together yet another Rock band, and recorded Wild Child the last “English” Album, for a long time to come. Savage Rose (mainly Thomas & Anisette) had lost interest in the Record Industri. They stil play music, but now free concerts in small communities of In 1976 drummer John Ravn becomes a permanent member. From 1978 – 1994 Savage Rose made recordings again, all of them in Danish, and with a much more acoustic sound than before. The Lyrics are increasingly Political, as everything else about Savage Rose, actively denying themselves any major income from their art. Living in the Slums of Copenhagen, when not touring In 1995 they sign a contract with Mega Records, and trough contacts in Copenhagen met with George Duke (Yes that GD). Thomas and Annisette moved to Los Angeles, where George produced Black Angel. Savage Rose had changed a lot, the sound was American Jazz, Soul, Reagge but never the less it was somehow still very much Savage Rose. The record becomes a major hit in Denmark. Putting Savage Rose back up where they were in the early 70’s. They made a coupple of more records, before Thomas suddently died in 2006, but Black Angel is the best recording from this last period. Savage Rose still tour, playing a lot of gigs during 2008. I’we seen Savage Rose life several times and nothing’s as touching as Annisette singing. ------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: UMUR
Date Posted: January 27 2009 at 13:37
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Great bio and I agree with your opinion about Annisette singing. What a beautiful woman. So emotional and always on her bare feet while performing. It was so sad about Thomas. One of the greatest composers Denmark has ever had.
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Posted By: Rivertree
Date Posted: January 27 2009 at 15:47
On the workbench of the psych/space team now, fellows.  But it may take time because they have a lot of albums out. I've listened to In the Plain - many folksy elements as for the first songs - the second half is more psych - proto prog is problematic because they are still on the run what I know ... ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Rivertree" rel="nofollow">  |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 27 2009 at 17:11
^ So are Deep Purple Uwe ------------- What? |
Posted By: Rivertree
Date Posted: January 28 2009 at 10:14
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Posted By: gr8dane
Date Posted: January 29 2009 at 18:08
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Another Dane out of the woodwork.
Savage Rose is borderline ,but would fit in nicely.
Got the first 4 which are splendid.
Then of the later ones I got Black Angel,which would be the Steely Dan of their discography.
Bring 'em in.
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