Lateralus Vinyl Error
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Topic: Lateralus Vinyl Error
Posted By: Jake Kobrin
Subject: Lateralus Vinyl Error
Date Posted: January 23 2009 at 18:23
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Hey, I just bought the "4 picture disc, 2LP, Gatefold" version of Lateralus by Tool and there's a weird error in the track list. The track list should be: 1. The Grudge (8:36) 2. Eon Blue Apocalypse (1:04) 3. The Patient (7:14) 4. Mantra (1:12) 5. Schism (6:47) 6. Parabol (3:04) 7. Parabola (6:03) 8. Ticks & Leeches (8:10) 9. Lateralus (9:24) 10. Disposition (4:46) 11. Reflection (11:07) 12. Triad (8:46) 13. Faaip De Oiad ("Secret" track) but on the record it's: Side A 1. The Grudge (8:36) 2. Eon Blue Apocalypse (1:04) 3. The Patient (7:14) 4. Mantra (1:12) Side B 5. Schism (6:47) 6. Parabol (3:04) 7. Parabola (6:03) 8. Disposition (4:46) Side C 9. Ticks & Leeches (8:10) 10. Lateralus (9:24) Side D 11. Reflection (11:07) 12. Triad (8:46) 13. Faaip De Oiad Why the strange tracklist goof? Now Disposition doesn't flow into Reflection like it should...  ------------- http://www.facebook.com/pages/Dr-Neil-Kobrin/244687105562746" rel="nofollow - SUPPORT MY FATHER AND BECOME A FAN Jacob Kobrin Illustration |
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Posted By: T.Rox
Date Posted: January 23 2009 at 18:36
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I would suggest it all about the time limitation of vinyl. Reflection and Triad are best part of 20 minutes alone on side 4. How long is Faaip De Oiad?
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Posted By: Jake Kobrin
Date Posted: January 23 2009 at 18:46
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Faaip is 2:40
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Posted By: JROCHA
Date Posted: January 23 2009 at 19:32
| my vinyl is just the same, and i purchased it back in 05 |
Posted By: AlexUC
Date Posted: January 23 2009 at 22:38
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That's what I call a free form release. Clappies Tool
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: January 24 2009 at 03:59
That would appear to be the reason. |
T.Rox wrote:Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: January 24 2009 at 04:16
I got the vinyl edition mainly for the cool artwork and collectors value. If you want a truly immersive listening experience you're going to listen to the CD version anyway ... better quality, no changing sides.
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Posted By: PinkFloydrulez
Date Posted: January 30 2009 at 08:07
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The Lateralus vinyl is still around new? Wow :o
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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: January 31 2009 at 22:56
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My copy is the same. It was intentional. Of course the Tool conspiracy theorist wackos started giving there own reasons for why the tracklisting was different (cryptic messages, hidden meanings, puzzles, etc.), but the reality is this: Vinyl sucks nowadays when it comes to the listening experience. Compact disc allowes a completely immersive experience without any breaks and it also holds more information. The only way to get all of the long tracks on La te ra lus to fit into the vinyl format was to rearrange some tracks. It's unfortunate, but . . .
I just got the vinyl because it's goregous. I've never put it onto my turntable, and I probably never will. It's a good collector's piece for the die-hard Tool fans like myself, but it isn't the ideal way to actually listen to La te ra lus.
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Posted By: Jake Kobrin
Date Posted: January 31 2009 at 23:14
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I've been disappointed some and surprised other times with newer vinyls. Some sound flawless and others are sort of meh. Sadly, lateralus was in the meh category...
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Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: February 01 2009 at 01:03
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Why didn't they just move "Faaip de Oiad" to side B and then get all of "Disposition/Reflection/Triad" on all of side D? Or is there not even enough space on a vinyl side to have around 24 minutes of music? ------------- 
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: February 01 2009 at 05:00
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Technically there is enough space for 24 minutes, but the quality degrades as you approach the center of the disc. Typically, on audiophile vinyl recordings you won't see more than 20 minutes of playing time (unless for epics that exceed 20 minutes of course, then they don't have a choice).
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Posted By: TDW
Date Posted: February 04 2009 at 03:37
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I guess re-arranging songs on Vynil is something that always will happen due to time restraints (I have bought the Vynil version of the last Riverside live album and the CD and LP tracklists are totally different as well), but this seems to be a bit off. I personally don't own this vynil version (I would buy it if I found it though!) but having the songs in that order just seems a bit wrong... ------------- http://www.tdwmusic.com"> 
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Posted By: ProgShine
Date Posted: February 24 2009 at 21:42
Yeah, that's absolutely right ------------- https://progshinerecords.bandcamp.com 
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Posted By: himtroy
Date Posted: February 27 2009 at 18:00
| I prefer vinyl over CD, but I would never buy a vinyl of a modern band. The only reason it's better is because people tend to **** everything up when they remaster it, CDs are the original release now anyway. |
Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: February 27 2009 at 18:04
| ^ I agree completely with you, himtroy |
Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: March 02 2009 at 13:32
That was my original reaction too.  ------------- 
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