Slipknot Are Now Masters of Prog!
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Topic: Slipknot Are Now Masters of Prog!
Posted By: ~Rael~
Subject: Slipknot Are Now Masters of Prog!
Date Posted: December 26 2008 at 14:36
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First, I like Slipknot, never loved them. Always good for a heavy jolt. Though, this new one has caught me off guard. I just listened to the first five tracks, and it is amazing. Well written, and it even has guitar solos, one in every song so far. So, as I listened, I noticed that it almost sounded progish. It has some odd time changes, awesome musicianship, so, I figured why not open up a can of worms and ask, is All Hope is Lost (the title of the new album) verging on prog? At least listen to the first couple of songs. ------------- I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress . . . |
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Posted By: ~Rael~
Date Posted: December 26 2008 at 23:54
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Fine, I'll change the title to something a but more alluring, then.
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: December 26 2008 at 23:57
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It's just a metal album dude. Not a hint of prog to be found. Odd time signatures and good musicianship is practically found in any decent metal band nowadays. Time signatures is such a meaningless measure of a band's prog credentials to be honest, because every second non prog death metal band uses odd time signature, thrash metal bands use odd time signatures, Post-Hardcore uses odd time signatures. Basically any band that It's their best so far (by that I mean, I can actually listen to a whole song without turning it off mid song). But I still don't like it that much:P ------------- 
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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: December 27 2008 at 00:42
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Not prog in the slightest.
I love the record, though. Great playing.
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Posted By: ~Rael~
Date Posted: December 27 2008 at 02:06
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Oh. I thought time signatures were one of the main attributes for something to be prog. In any case, I still say some of the songs sound a bit progressive.
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Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: December 27 2008 at 02:13
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Odd time signatures are a good indicator that the band might be prog. I find it one of the bigger traits of prog as well, but you definetely cannot base your judgement on what is prog or not based on if the band uses odd time signatures a lot. As it's been said, especially in metal you cannot judge whether it's prog based on that. Maybe if the band pushed boundaries a bit, created a few atmospheres, started making songs with unusual structures, or added an eclectic mix of styles into their music, then you've got a solid prog metal band.However, 70's bands are different. Since rock back then was generally more blues based, songs were either in 4/4 or a triplet meter like 3/4 or 6/8. Using odd time signatures often almost certainly designated that a band was prog. ------------- 
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: December 27 2008 at 02:37
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But the thing is though, "sounding a bit progressive" "using odd time signatures" is so common among today's metal bands. Face it, the standard non prog metal band of today, is more complex musically than it was 30 years ago. I mean, Megadeth sounded a bit progressive. Testament sounded a bit progressive. Crytopsy sounded a bit progressive. See what I mean? It's just that a lot of metal nowadays is more intricate and technical than pop music obviously and basically third metal band can sound like prog compared to that. Slipknot's latest is no different. Compared to much pop music, it's way more intricate, detailed, technical and a bit more complex too, but it's not even close to the complexity of true progressive metal like Between the Buried and Me, Canvas Solaris or Spastic. These 3 bands make Slipknot look like pop music in comparison really. The songs on All Hope is Lost, they are just metal songs at the of the day, and not bad ones at that either. And hey, look at the vast amount of prog metal bands that regularly use simple and compound time and aren't really into odd time signatures. That tells me that odd time signatures is a pretty superficial and meangingless indicator of prog in the world of progressive metal. Throwing a few odd time signatures in a verse/chorus/verse/bridge/solo/chorus structured song doesn't make it prog in the slightest. Progressive metal is about the composition as a whole really and being able to incorporate the odd time signatures to increase the overall complexity of a prog metal composition is really where the use of odd time signatures as a prog element is about, as opposed to sticking them into the aforementioned standard song structure pieces of music. -------------
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Posted By: ~Rael~
Date Posted: December 27 2008 at 18:30
Thanks a lot for that explanation. I guess when you compare Slipknot to Canvas Solaris or BtBaM, there isn't much comparison at all. ------------- I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress . . . |
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