I Like Scarsick!
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Topic: I Like Scarsick!
Posted By: ~Rael~
Subject: I Like Scarsick!
Date Posted: December 20 2008 at 17:05
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And I'm not afraid to admit it. It isn't as good as Remedy Lane, Concrete Lake, or Entropia, but I still like it. I even prefer it over Be. It isn't as progressive, but I like the songs. The only one I could do without is Disco Queen. All the others, though, are good. I can't be the only one who likes Scarsick. . . can I? ------------- I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress . . . |
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Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: December 20 2008 at 17:20
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I sure don't- that album (and the band's anti-American lyrics) are the reason I now detest the band. I'm fine with it- since then I have found much better music to listen to.
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Posted By: ~Rael~
Date Posted: December 20 2008 at 18:05
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I like the anti-American lyrics. Not sure if you noticed, but they make a point.
------------- I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress . . . |
Posted By: ~Rael~
Date Posted: December 20 2008 at 18:06
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And what music have you found that is better? I'm always looking for new bands to listen to.
------------- I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress . . . |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: December 20 2008 at 18:07
Disco Queen is my favorite from that CD.  ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Gamemako
Date Posted: December 20 2008 at 18:19
How can you not notice? That doesn't save them from being inane. ------------- Hail Eris! 
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~Rael~ wrote:Posted By: Sunny In Jeddah
Date Posted: December 20 2008 at 19:43
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someone post the anti-American lyrics plz
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Posted By: Plankowner
Date Posted: December 20 2008 at 22:19
| I like it too Rael... It's kind of what P.O.S. is about, sure it may not be as good as some of their albums.. but it has it's own charm. Think it reflects their personality and it's true to their form. Plus it's Part II of the Perfect Element storyline.. probably make more sense when the third part of the story is released... |
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: December 20 2008 at 22:32
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Lyrics aside, the music was a huge step backwards from the eclectic Be. I don't listen to it at all. Just pisses me off.
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: December 20 2008 at 23:04
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So do I, kinda. The kinda "like" where I have the CD but never listen to it(ever). The problem is that unlike every other PoS album, it completely fails to move me in any way. Something's just missing... it just sounds like a huge mistake that great musicians usually make once or twice in their careers. Since free speech is a basic part of being American and it's just an opinion anyway, the lyrics don't bother me but the song America is complete garbage all around, as is Disco Queen. I never skip any songs on any of their other albums. So yeah, it's decent music but as a PoS album and as a follow up to Be it sucks giant monkey balls.  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: ~Rael~
Date Posted: December 20 2008 at 23:06
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I don't find the lyrics inane at all, quite imaginative, actually. Not every lyric needs to be a riddle wrapped in metaphors to be creative. And, I am glad they took a step back from Be, because it is my least favorite of theirs. I have given it several tries, and it just bores the hell out of me. ------------- I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress . . . |
Posted By: Rivertree
Date Posted: December 21 2008 at 10:52
I was shocked by the Disco Queen when listening for the first time - but it really grows - great album  ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Rivertree" rel="nofollow">  |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: December 21 2008 at 13:49
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Its not a bad album, but by the standards that Daniel Gildenlow has set, its not too good to be honest. I've said before that I understand why the music was simpler, and that the concept is all from the point of view of someone that has grown up with physical abuse, not necasserally the band themselves but, as with Ansen, it just doesnt move me at all.
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Posted By: Gamemako
Date Posted: December 21 2008 at 14:30
The problem is not that it is direct; rather, it is shallow as a kiddie pool. It doesn't feel like the raw emotion of, say, Lilium Cruentus, and it doesn't feel like a complex evaluation of modern life. It just feels shallow and whiny, like an angsty 16-year-old ranting about the man. I could tell you all the things I feel about it, or you could http://www.progarchives.com/Review.asp?id=172890 - read my review . Note that it was adapted from MER's site, so the format is a bit odd. //EDIT: For direct lyrics that are good, try Royal Hunt's Paradox II -- Collision Course. Most of the tracks are explicitly about a specific event or practice, but they still manage to be thoughtful. ------------- Hail Eris!
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: December 21 2008 at 16:39
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Disco Queen is pretty much the best song on the album, up there with Cribcagged depending on my mood. But yeah not an overall fan of the album. It's mediocre and as has been said Daniel's bar is far above mediocre. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: December 21 2008 at 23:08
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Ah, the album that led to me never listening to Pain of Salvation again. I can't stand that Gildenlöw guy and his pretentious sob-stories anymore...
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Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: December 21 2008 at 23:29
Yes, I agree with most of this. "Disco Queen" is great, but the other song I like is "Kingdom of Loss." Everything else is pretty darn detestable. It's not even that it's poor because it was released by Pain of Salvation. That definitely makes it seem worse, but I wouldn't have liked it if any other band put it out either.
I appreciate that the band is never stagnant creatively, but the ideas and performance this time around were just lackluster and unmoving. ------------- www.last.fm/user/ThisCenotaph  
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Posted By: Luke. J
Date Posted: December 21 2008 at 23:31
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To be honest, I also think Scarsick is not a bad album, yet I have experienced something similar to Avantgardehead: Before I heard the album, Pain of Salvation was my favorite band. After I heard it, I wished they never had released Scarsick. Now I have come back to their earlier albums, but their is a huge amount of dust on the Scarsick disc. For it seems not as well thought, too exaggerated in the lyrics, missing something emotionally moving, and less original in the music and overall just forgetable, I don't listen to it anymore. I might be able to let it play in the background, nothing more.
Still, my favorite song would be Enter Rain.
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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: December 22 2008 at 00:04
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I dunno guys, sometimes I think bashing America has become almost a fad. I mean, you just aren't cool or hardcore enough if you haven't bashed the US yet in music.
That's not to say the lyrics to ''America" are completely wrong, either. I live here and have observed much of what the song talks about, but when you excercize freedom of speech to simply scathe the very country that made freedom of speech possible, I just think that's kinda lame, no matter who you are or what reasons you have for saying those things.
HOWEVER . . .
I grow to like "Scarsick'' more and more every time I listen to it. Then again I like KoRn, Mudvayne, Disturbed and the like, so that simpler, more straight-forward approach to the heaviness of it all if something I've already been familiar with. Yes, every other PoS album is better than "Scarsick", but tghat doesn't mean this album is horrible by any stretch of the imagination. I wouldn't even call it mediocre. It's just different and more direct. Since PoS was not known for this type of music before the album came out, alot of people got pissed because they weren't expecting it, but I thought it was a great decision to make. What's more progressive than surprising absolutely everyone with your newest album?
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: December 22 2008 at 02:43
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I don't mind a band changing things around and sounding different... But Scarsick was a bad decision. I think I now know why Kristoffer left the band... he didn't want to be on such a bad album. I dislike Disco music; so PoS making a track that is disco is not my thing at all. Then you have that weird Musical sound of America. It just reminds me of Bernstein and well, I don't like him either. Kingdom of Loss is better and one of the better tracks on the album but it's all just too late... I've listened to about 3 times... and I've never listened to any Pain of Salvation since. The lyrics are terrible and Daniel's attitude is harsh. -------------   
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: December 22 2008 at 03:50
I'm honestly not much of a fan of the band at all (I know I know, I'm a member of the Progressive Metal Team that doesn't really like PoS all that much )But at least I could listen to Entropia and Be and not think it was completely crappy( they were more uninspiring sounding than actually being particularly bad). Maybe one days those 2 albums will go on me and I may become more of a fan of the band, but Scarsick does not help the cause there. ------------- 
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Posted By: ~Rael~
Date Posted: December 22 2008 at 08:11
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A while back I made a thread where I discussed on how a love performance made me change my mind about Dream Theater, that it made me like them less, and I was raked over the coals. Now I am seeing a lot of people saying because of Scarsick, they don't like PoS at all anymore, not even the albums they enjoyed before Scarsick. To me, this goes along the same lines. And, I don't really get why this album would make you hate what you previously enjoyed. . . it seems like you are punishing yourself more than anything. When Metallica put out Saint Anger, I thought it sucked big time, but I didn't go and throw out Master of Puppets. So, if there next album is a progressive rock masterpiece, will you go back to liking them? ------------- I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress, I repeat myself when under stress . . . |
Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: December 22 2008 at 10:41
When did PoS ever make a disco song?
"Disco Queen" is Nu-Metal in style and insperation.
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Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: December 22 2008 at 10:53
It might not be entirely a disco song, but it's got a clear disco influence and main riff. ------------- www.last.fm/user/ThisCenotaph
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Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: December 22 2008 at 10:58
I think it's a little different because your case was a live performance, and this is a new studio album, and therefore the reasons are different, but there is a similarity, yes. It is funny how after a band puts out a weak album we don't feel like listening to any of their material, even the good stuff. It happens to me subconsciously. After a few months go by I start listening again, though. So I'm still listening to my Pain of Salvation CDs. If their next album is great I'll more than likely be increasing their plays too. ------------- www.last.fm/user/ThisCenotaph
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Posted By: Kestrel
Date Posted: December 22 2008 at 13:15
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Ever since Scarsick came out, I haven't really listened to Pain of Salvation at all. I'm not sure why, I think it coincides with my increasing dislike for metal, a genre I used to love. I'll still listen to TPE or BE, but I don't find myself even thinking about listening to Entropia or Concrete Lake now. I would just rather listen to Genesis or some other band now. I still think Pain of Salvation is the best metal band though. |
Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: December 22 2008 at 21:47
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