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Topic: BBC4 program: Prog Rock Brittania
Posted By: paulmarkj
Subject: BBC4 program: Prog Rock Brittania
Date Posted: December 09 2008 at 14:22
Set you record for this one:

BBC press release at:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/tv/wk52/bbc_four.shtml#bbcfour_rock - http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/proginfo/tv/wk52/bbc_four.shtml#bbcfour_rock

Prog Rock Brittania –
An Observation In Three Movements

Friday 2 January
10.00-11.30pm
BBC FOUR
     

Prog Rock Britannia is the first comprehensive, feature-length documentary about progressive music and the generation of bands that made it – from the international success stories of Yes, Genesis, ELP, King Crimson and Jethro Tull, to the trials and tribulations of lesser-known bands such as Caravan and Egg.

Narrated by Nigel Planer, the film is structured in three parts – charting the birth, rise and decline of a movement famed for complex musical structures, weird time signatures, technical virtuosity and strange – quintessentially English – literary influences.

It looks at the psychedelic pop scene that gave birth to progressive rock in the late Sixties, the golden age of progressive music in the early Seventies – complete with drum solos and gatefold record sleeves – and the over-ambition, commercialisation and eventual fall from grace of this rarefied musical experiment at the hands of punk in 1977.

The documentary is a provocative, humorous but affectionate re-appraisal of a music that was the value system of an all-too-brief period in British popular music.

Contributors include Robert Wyatt, Mike Oldfield, Pete Sinfield, Rick Wakeman, Phil Collins, Arthur Brown, Carl Palmer and Ian Anderson.




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Posted By: Frippertron
Date Posted: December 10 2008 at 06:31
I would like to state that this post will go down as the best post ever!
 
I have been trying to find out when its on.. Thanks mate.. Very much appreciated.
 
 


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Posted By: Frippertron
Date Posted: December 10 2008 at 06:34
Nigel Planer is narrator!!! Tsk..
 
As long as he doesnt play it as Neil.
 
Chris Welch would have been my choice personally.


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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: December 10 2008 at 06:40
Huzzah!

I thought they'd shelved it - this was supposed to be shown in autumn this year.

Narrated by Nigel Planer - nah - should be Jeremy Clarkson

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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: December 10 2008 at 07:08
Well, I dont want to pre-judge the program, but when a prog documentary is said to take a 'humorous' look at the genre, it normally means that most of the elements that made the prog movement as good as it was, are about to be lampooned.



Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: December 10 2008 at 07:21
Hmmm - I missed that bit "humorous but affectionate" - that could be translated as the narration coming across as "ah, bless 'em - they're really talented & look so serious, but look at those clothes!!!"

Dunno what they mean...





Preposterous...

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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: December 10 2008 at 09:54
^^^ Wow! I didn't know Keifer Sutherland was in a prog band!



Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: December 10 2008 at 09:56
Well, if you look at it objectively, they didn't really look any more ridiculous than the glam rockers or the punks..

..although, I guess the Slipperman outfit kinda crossed a line..


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 10 2008 at 15:50
This makes my recent post reduntant somewhat!Unhappy

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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: December 10 2008 at 15:52
Shocked  Holy rusted metal Batman.  When did you get back Snowie?

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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 10 2008 at 16:46
Just passing through on a mission in the Quadrark sector.

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Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: December 10 2008 at 16:50
Snow Dog!? I've only ever seen you in very, very old threads. Welcome back!


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 11 2008 at 04:29
By-Tor...my arch nemesis? By the cursed of Hades, I'm in no fit state for battle now!

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Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: December 11 2008 at 04:38
Originally posted by Frippertron Frippertron wrote:

Nigel Planer is narrator!!! Tsk..
 
As long as he doesnt play it as Neil.
 
Chris Welch would have been my choice personally.
 
Bill Bailey would have been my choice - a genuine prog fan who could add a few musical insights of his own and see the funny side. 


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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: December 11 2008 at 04:58
Good to see you around again, Snowie..


Posted By: Frippertron
Date Posted: December 11 2008 at 06:21
yeah.. Bill Bailey did the Top 10 of Prog

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Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: December 11 2008 at 07:18
Welcome back, Snowie! Hug 
 
About BBC 4 : too bad we can only see it if we take a package that costs us €5,95 per month. Too bad.


Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 11 2008 at 08:00
Thank you for the welcomes.

Nice to see some old friends still here.


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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: December 11 2008 at 08:02
So wonderful to see you back, IanHug! Hope you're doing well... and have a look at my profileWink!


Posted By: Frippertron
Date Posted: December 12 2008 at 02:08
BBC has normally been quite pants, not one to sl*g of the good Ole Aunt Beeb here, but taken them a long time to put something decent like this on eh.
 
 


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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 12 2008 at 03:29
I love the Beeb.Approve

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Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: December 12 2008 at 07:15
Damn! How on erath am I suppoused to watch this?!?!AngryAngryAngryAngry

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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 12 2008 at 13:03
Pray to Erath and maybe he will deliver.....

or maybe some kind fellow prog fan could burn 'em to a DVD for you?


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Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: December 12 2008 at 17:58
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Pray to Erath and maybe he will deliver.....

or maybe some kind fellow prog fan could burn 'em to a DVD for you?

Oh Snow Dog, you are much to kind! How can I ever repay you?Big smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smile


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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 14 2008 at 16:22
....
Originally posted by el böthy el böthy wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Pray to Erath and maybe he will deliver.....

or maybe some kind fellow prog fan could burn 'em to a DVD for you?

Oh Snow Dog, you are much to kind! How can I ever repay you?Big smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smile

I didn't meam meEmbarrassed...sorry.....how much is the postage to Argentina anyway?


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Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: December 15 2008 at 10:32
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

^^^ Wow! I didn't know Keifer Sutherland was in a prog band!

 
LOL haha.
 
My mum thinks Keither is adorable,i'll have to show her that picture.
 
Good to see something finally good on tv,though sometimes i find jazz documentrys at stupid times in the morning.


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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: December 15 2008 at 17:22
Originally posted by el böthy el böthy wrote:

Damn! How on erath am I suppoused to watch this?!?!AngryAngryAngryAngry


I'm sure it will end up on Youtube..


Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: December 17 2008 at 16:05
SNOWIE!!!!!
 
My fave arguer
 
Welcome back!!!


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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: December 17 2008 at 16:56
I wish we could get all the regular BBC channels up here. We had one and two when I lived in Belgium. I miss them terribly. Swedish television is rubbish.


Posted By: micky
Date Posted: December 17 2008 at 17:01
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

....
Originally posted by el böthy el böthy wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Pray to Erath and maybe he will deliver.....

or maybe some kind fellow prog fan could burn 'em to a DVD for you?

Oh Snow Dog, you are much to kind! How can I ever repay you?Big smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smileBig smile

I didn't meam meEmbarrassed...sorry.....how much is the postage to Argentina anyway?


Hey Ian... nice to see you around.  Clap


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Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: December 19 2008 at 03:23
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

SNOWIE!!!!!
 
My fave arguer
 
Welcome back!!!

Fave arguer!!!!

Well.........


At least I'm your favourite something!

LOL


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Posted By: visitor2035
Date Posted: December 26 2008 at 18:33
To those who can't see it...............keep an eye open...after all the internet is a great medium.


Posted By: Fritha
Date Posted: December 28 2008 at 14:09
^ Indeed it is! I'm excited about this even though I live in Finland and don't even have a TV atm. LOL 

See you on YouTube!! Wink


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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: December 31 2008 at 05:30
See here for more details http://www.bbc.co.uk/musictv/progbritannia/ - http://www.bbc.co.uk/musictv/progbritannia/
 
and notice who's at the top of the list of External Links!!! I'm sure I've heard of that site somewhere.


Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: December 31 2008 at 06:07
Namechecked by the Beeb, eh? We're going up in the world...

Personally, I like the film clip "The Mellotron Has Been Drinking"

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Posted By: toroddfuglesteg
Date Posted: January 02 2009 at 17:41

I have just been watching this programme and the news is that BBC will dedicate this weekend to Prog Rock.

The 3 hours programme (1 hours with live performances and 2 hours with funny, self depreciating interviews with everyone involved, including Egg) was very good and deserve to be copied over to DVD. Good fun ! Rick Wakeman was as witty as usual. The programme did not bring any news to the table. It was still good fun though. 

Bands included in the interviews section (as far as I remember) was Robert Wyatt from Matching Mole and Soft Machine, Yes (Howe, Bruford and Wakeman), King Crimson (Bruford and Sin...) Genesis (Collins, Rutherford and Banks), ELP (Palmer), Caravan and Egg.  

I am now picking up the Egg, The Nice and my Yes albums again.  



Posted By: toroddfuglesteg
Date Posted: January 02 2009 at 17:43

Oh, there is one thing I learnt from this programme: I am a weirdo and a social outcast because I am listening to prog. That is now the official truth from BBC and Rick Wakeman. 

On the other hand, I already know this............... Sorry, false alarm.



Posted By: Q6
Date Posted: January 02 2009 at 17:44
Why is Progressive rock shown as a historical music form?

Can someone recommend a good programme to watch that talks about prog music today.

I enjoyed tonight's Prog Rock Britannia but only as a historical documentary. 

What do you think? 

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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: January 02 2009 at 17:47
An honest and pretty accurate programme keeping to the classic period of progressive rock (thereby reflecting what a shambolic catchall PA has become)  - and without John Peel repeating "prog was bollocks absolute bollocks" after promoting progressive music for over a decade. Lots of Soft Machine (hurray and rightly seemed to be made a focal point for early progressive music here !!!!!!! with Wyatt explaining Ratledge need to keep playing notes or suffer feedback), PInk Floyd minimal (just as I remember), but certainly more faces could have been interviewed. A least a couple of errors - "Genesis formed after hearing King Crimson" - wasn't it Revelation first????and indeed Genesis To Revelation was released within months of  ITCOKC.

Also enjoyed a healthy chunk of Soft Machine - playing jazz fusion!!!, Caravan, King Crimson, ELP caught from 9.30pm


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Posted By: PROGMAN
Date Posted: January 02 2009 at 18:16
Welcome back Snowie!!

The documentary was excellent, nice interviews, the only thing they failed to mention was:

1. The German Krautrock movement at the time (Tangerine Dream, Faust, Can, Neu!, early Kraftwerk etc) who were also doing their own thing at the time as well.
2. Also didn't say that some mainstream 70s bands blended Prog Rock with Mainstream/Pop elements.

But still a fascinating look into Prog.


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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: January 02 2009 at 18:18
No such thing, I think. Certainly not in the UK. However, the fact that the narator didnt spend most of his time trying to take the piss out of prog must be seen as an acheivment of sorts.

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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: January 02 2009 at 18:25
I thought it was very well done.

Very surprising that Floyd were hardly mentioned in the Prog Britannia doc.


Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 02 2009 at 18:26
^ That's to do with the age of the producer (56)

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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: January 02 2009 at 18:46
^How so?

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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: January 02 2009 at 18:52
Originally posted by PROGMAN PROGMAN wrote:

Welcome back Snowie!!

 the only thing they failed to mention was:




They forgot to mention Johnny Rotten was into Can and VDGG....Wink
In fact they forgot to mention VDGG and GG only slipped in as an LP cover...


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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: January 02 2009 at 18:55
Originally posted by Tony R Tony R wrote:

I thought it was very well done.

Very surprising that Floyd were hardly mentioned in the Prog Britannia doc.


I'm very pleased reflecting what most of us thought during the period covered, ......PF were psychedelic!


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Posted By: toroddfuglesteg
Date Posted: January 02 2009 at 18:56

The programme continues tomorrow with ELP live. I believe they said 20.50 tomorrow night.



Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: January 02 2009 at 19:04
^ I think it was 21:50 actually.

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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: January 02 2009 at 19:05
^I wouldnt say most, I've met plenty of people who were around at the time that didnt think they were Psychedelic for all of their career.

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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 02 2009 at 19:08
^ that's the age thing I was getting at - anyone who is slightly older than me sees PF purely as a Psychedelic band - whereas people my age and slightly younger sees them as Prog.

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Posted By: Frippertron
Date Posted: January 02 2009 at 19:20
I think it might well be the Manticore Special.
 
Look, it was about British Progressive Rock, hence no Krautrock and all that stuff.. Anyways, if it was going to cover all genres of Progressive Rock it would have ended up having to be a series.
 
The first hour with such delights as "All White" - Soft Machine, was a joy to behold.
 
The documentary was brilliant.. 
 
Interviewed:
 
Arthur Brown
Mont Campbell
Steve Howe
Bill Bruford
Ian Anderson
Tony Banks
Phil Collins
Mike Rutherford
Rick Wakeman
Carl Palmer
Mike Oldfield
Robert Wyatt
Pete Sinfield
Richard Coughlan
Jonathon Coe (author of the brilliant book "Rotters Club" GET IT!!!)
etc....
 
I loved it.
 
 


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Posted By: Takeshi Kovacs
Date Posted: January 03 2009 at 00:46
When you know as much about Progressive music as most people do on these forums, then a programme like that only really just begins to scratch the surface. We need an entire series from 60's right through to modern era prog. 

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Posted By: the_binkster
Date Posted: January 03 2009 at 03:54
Just a little annoyed they seemed to regard "prog" as being a dead genre and that punk successfully killed it off. I suppose Marillion don't count as "prog" (they may not be "classic prog" but they certainly are "prog").

Also the emphasis placed on it being purely british bands was slightly frustrating. Yes, it may have originated in Britain but after it 'died' over here, there were many foreign bands continuing the prog cause. 


Posted By: kev2307
Date Posted: January 03 2009 at 04:04
Oh come on guys - this was a documentary on British Prog Rock - also the suggestion was up to only the 80's - it did hint Prog did not die - but agree very little mention of Pink and no mention at all of Asia,Marillion - but the GODS or Rock were discussed including the Brilliant and Obscure ARTHUR BROWN


Posted By: Q6
Date Posted: January 03 2009 at 04:16
Originally posted by Takeshi Kovacs Takeshi Kovacs wrote:

When you know as much about Progressive music as most people do on these forums, then a programme like that only really just begins to scratch the surface. We need an entire series from 60's right through to modern era prog. 


I agree. I love prog but like you feel I know very little about it's history. A series of programmes looking at each decade would be worth a watch.

I do find this website (prog archives) contains more relevant information about the music I listen to than the bands covered in that programme. Perhaps it's the term progressive which makes me think of music that tries New things and mixes genres (oft mentioned at prog archives). But that confusion is probably due to my ignorance. Cry 


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Posted By: rick gryphon
Date Posted: January 03 2009 at 04:54
watched bbc 4 programmes last night great to see atomic rooster from totp in 1971 also family,soft machine,caravan, was hoping to see some gryphon i think they were on the ogwt in 1973 never seen them on film does any exist does anyone know..


Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: January 03 2009 at 06:28
^ Gryphon appeared on an ITV's Magpie (an alternative kids magazine programme to BBCs Blue Peter) - more than once as I recall. Don't remember them being on OGWT, but that doesn't mean they weren't.

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Posted By: toroddfuglesteg
Date Posted: January 03 2009 at 08:17

The programme is now available at i-player option at www.bbc.com

After watching it in reprise, I am in awe how good this programme is. I wonder if I can download it and keep it as a memento of the prog rock era. BBC at it's very best. No wonder this is the best broadcaster on this planet (yes, I know I sound as pretensious as the prog rock fan I am). 



Posted By: fuxi
Date Posted: January 03 2009 at 15:41
Good program, intelligently put together. As I am writing these words, you can still catch it for free, on BBC iPlayer.

Of course we all know prog didn't fall down a cliff in 1974, as the program claimed (ever heard OF QUEUES AND CURES, anyone? Not to mention Kenso.. ) but for once it seemed the BBC really has done justice to an era.


Posted By: oorwullie
Date Posted: January 04 2009 at 05:37
First time posting here.
Life long (classic era) prog fan and astonished at what an excellent documentary the
BBC put out.  I am suprised that there is not more discussion about it on this site.

I have a question that I hope someone can answer:
What was the incidental music that played through a lot of the programme -
A dark drone - Soft Machine maybe???

I can be heard at the start of this clip:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/musictv/progbritannia/video/prog1/








Posted By: Cactus Choir
Date Posted: January 04 2009 at 10:37
I thought it was excellent. As well as the 90 minute doc, there was the 'Prog at the Beeb' programme which had some great performance footage of bands at the top of their game in the early 70s, most of which I hadn't seen before. Loved the '71 Old Grey Whistle Test clip of Wishbone Ash doing Vas Dis. Also Caravan (The Dog, The Dog, He's At It Again), Atomic Rooster and Tull on Top of the Pops, Yes (Yours is No Disgrace) and ELP doing an ultra-aggressive version of Pictures from (I think) '73.

Genesis didn't come off too well with their dull pop song (I Know What I Like). Plus there was a comical clip of King Crimson from the 80s with Belew wearing a pink suit.Dead and Fripp in a suit too. Bunch of yuppies! They looked like they'd be more interested in selling you insurance than playing prog.

As Dick H said the documentary was refreshingly Peel and Shaar Murray-free and treated prog as being as vaild as any other musical form. So thankfully no "God wasn't it all ridiculous, how did we ever listen to this stuff?" just plenty of entertaining and self-effacing reminiscences from Bruford, Wyatt, Palmer, Wakeman etc.

One interesting thought it came up with was that though the bands used rock as a starting point, they had moved away from producing what was traditionally thought of as 'rock' into something way more esoteric that might have been considered as a seperate form. So to accuse them of betraying rock, which was top of the music journo/punk rap sheet, was a bit daft really. The early and mid-70s was a unique era when some pretty 'out there' music briefly achieved mass acceptance. Wonder if a set of circumstances will ever occur to let this happen again?






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Posted By: lazland
Date Posted: January 04 2009 at 14:47
I thought the documentary was excellent, but was not overly keen on the one hour Prog At The BBC show that preceded it. Surely they could have had better footage of Genesis & King Crimson, for example. The Yes footage was great, but they seemed more interested in bringing out the "weird" noodly stuff to entertain the masses rather than bringing us melodic prog.

And why was there no mention of great latter day prog bands such as Marillion, IQ, and Porcupine Tree, to name but three?Angry
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Having said that, it was worth seeing Still Crazy again, and I'm looking forward to the Genesis gig and Collins interview tonight.ClapClap


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Posted By: gliss bliss
Date Posted: January 06 2009 at 18:55
I know Pink Floyd has been well documented in lots of documentaries, but it would have been so nice if BBC 4 could have included the Peter Clifton film, either Careful with that axe, Eugene or Set the Controls, one of these tracks would have been suffice for the hour of prog that followed the Prog Britannia programme.  I notice that Sky Arts 1 is competing with BBC 4 at the moment, as they to are showing great prog stuff, when i switched over from the Prog Britannia, Sky Arts 1 was showing Classic Albums: Deep Purple: Machine Head, and it struck that aswell as Purple being a heavy rock band, my brother always referred to them as a form of progressive rock, you can hear this on Highway Star, the interplay between John Lord and Ritchie Blackmore.  Also I felt that Prog Brittannia sort of belittled the prog around the end of the programme, saying it was too soft.  I felt the Channel 4 programme 'Top Ten' covered a few other genres of prog, namely Hawkwind who could rock like the punks, who apparently killed prog, I felt when EGG was covered, where was the mention of Gong guitarist Steve Hillage, much less, Gong.  I think we should have a prog rock tv channel, there's loads of stuff out there.  

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Posted By: Kotro
Date Posted: January 07 2009 at 04:30
Originally posted by gliss bliss gliss bliss wrote:

I think we should have a prog rock tv channel, there's loads of stuff out there.  
 
Lamp
 
 
 
 
A TV channel would be hard, but what about a webcast? The PA Channel? PATV? Big smile
 
Seriously, it would be hard but PA should be ready to take the next step and go into the audiovisual realm: documentaries, interviews, plain music shows, all made by PA! And if we had due permission, we could add material made by others (the ocasional videos from music magazines, BBC docs such as the latest) - not so sure we could do concerts, but oh well.
 
Is there anyone on PA working on television or webcasts?
 
I think this idea could use some discussion. What say ye? Does it even warrant its own topic?  


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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: January 07 2009 at 13:57
Saw it again last night on BBC 4, not changing a word I wrote above. Excellent just the right amount of tongue-in-check.

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Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: January 07 2009 at 17:56
I haven't watched the main doc yet (I get all my beeb telly via iplayer these days as the TV reception on my flat is appalling) but I watched the 60 minute performance archive thingummy and rather enjoyed it. I thought some of the choices/edits were a little odd... The sudden cut-off of Yours is No Disgrace was particularly grating and the utter lack of Gentle Giant despite all that great footage from the BBC sight and sound concert rotting away in their archives was a disgraceful oversight.

Is it true that they (along with VDGG and others) don't get a mention in the documentary either? I could almost forgive that if it was covering ALL prog, but seeing as it was looking solely at British prog (mostly from the 70's) that's rather hard to understand.


Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: January 08 2009 at 14:15
Just back into the office today first time since Christmas and all the younger rock fans telling how much they liked the programme. One telling me he's order ICOTCK not knowing Crimson before. Which reminded me that the  Channel 4 top 10 prog programme also created interest several years ago, with a local record shop telling me at the time that they sold more prog-related albums that week than they had in two years previously. In other words expose potential fans to the music, and the music is likely to do the selling - rather than being put off  by morons (aka pundits)  verbally abusing the genre

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Posted By: Nightfly
Date Posted: January 09 2009 at 04:02
Turned out to be much better than I thought it would be, well done BBC. Some enjoyable clips in the 1 hour Prog at the Beeb that was on before.
 
Didn't catch the ELP programme, was it the same as the DVD included with the 2007 box set?


Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: January 11 2009 at 05:13
Fripp's own impressions here:

http://www.dgmlive.com/diaries.htm?entry=13113%20 - http://www.dgmlive.com/diaries.htm?entry=13113




Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: January 11 2009 at 14:11
Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Just back into the office today first time since Christmas and all the younger rock fans telling how much they liked the programme. One telling me he's order ICOTCK not knowing Crimson before. Which reminded me that the  Channel 4 top 10 prog programme also created interest several years ago, with a local record shop telling me at the time that they sold more prog-related albums that week than they had in two years previously. In other words expose potential fans to the music, and the music is likely to do the selling - rather than being put off  by morons (aka pundits)  verbally abusing the genre


A friend sent me this in last 3hours:
quote:

Fastest Movers and Shakers in the Amazon UK music chart last Saturday morning (genuinely):
1.Egg. Egg
2.Caravan. If I Could Do It All Over Again I'd Do It All Over You
3.Caravan. For Girls Who Grow Plump In The Night
4.King Crimson. In the Court Of The Crimson King
5 Jethro Tull. Aqualung


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Posted By: esotericarts
Date Posted: January 12 2009 at 04:22
well Im very greatful for the promotion-certainly of Egg! as we have their catalogue.
 
Just to mention the producer is a large "canterbury" fan and hence some of his choices reflected that. They also wanted to feature some not quite so big names and it all comes down to who was willing to take part (some of these guys are not that keen on anything that has the name "prog" in it) and who makes for a decent interviewee etc.
 
I personally think they should have added a 10 minute segment about the guys who carried on the genre Marillion, PT, IQ etc but one of the issues Im sure would have been footage. The BBC probably wouldnt have the footage of these guys (Marillion maybe) and would have had to license it in which vastly increases budgets. the minute you mention BBC, the content providers tend to ask for very healthy sums.
 
They were probably given a strict time constraint too.
 


Posted By: Witchseason
Date Posted: January 17 2009 at 11:00
I, too, thought the long programme was excellent (only got round to watching it last night) a nd the short one was poor. Was hoping to see better footage than that of Family & Caravan especially.
Coughlan was great on the 90min doc - what a criminally under-rated drummer he's always been - and everyone concerned was witty & informative. Made me reet nostalgic.
 
One question - during the Wilde Flowers / Soft Machine section there was a clip of music I didn't recognise - Robert W singing "I like me, I like you, and the things that we do". Admittedly it's a while since I played all their stuff, but still it rang no bells at all.
 
Can someone enlighten me as to what it was?
 
Also, what was the full lineup on the Tubular Bells prog? I thought I recognised Mick Taylor & Steve Hillage, but who else was there?
 
Cheers
 
Jerry
 
PS - check out the vinyl rips at my blog
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: January 18 2009 at 15:50
Oh dear! After the good work with Prog Rock Britannia, somebody let Paul Morley loose rabbiting on about fashion in rock. Caught the show All The Young Dudes, last night  at the point of him interviewing Noddy Holder and then Ian Anderson (looking right dapper-like). Then the b*****d has yet another moan about prog - turned over to the footie. The man is dull, his ideas are less than dull, (why do people find him interesting toput him on TV?): get him off  the box. These guys dressed liked they did because it is a form of theatre, whilst some reflect current youth culture -didn't you understand the former  from Anderson?!

(Just reminded who Morley reminds me of: the way I draw the "wot me worry" character).

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Posted By: Fritha
Date Posted: January 24 2009 at 13:58
Now available on YouTube, yay!! High quality on top of it...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8T904BrY_k&feature=related - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8T904BrY_k&feature=related




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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: January 24 2009 at 15:03
Originally posted by Witchseason Witchseason wrote:

I, too, thought the long programme was excellent (only got round to watching it last night) a nd the short one was poor. Was hoping to see better footage than that of Family & Caravan especially.
Coughlan was great on the 90min doc - what a criminally under-rated drummer he's always been - and everyone concerned was witty & informative. Made me reet nostalgic.
 
One question - during the Wilde Flowers / Soft Machine section there was a clip of music I didn't recognise - Robert W singing "I like me, I like you, and the things that we do". Admittedly it's a while since I played all their stuff, but still it rang no bells at all.
 
Can someone enlighten me as to what it was?
 
Also, what was the full lineup on the Tubular Bells prog? I thought I recognised Mick Taylor & Steve Hillage, but who else was there?
 
Cheers
 
Jerry
 
PS - check out the vinyl rips at my blog
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Here you go:

30/11/1973, Mike Oldfield, BBC TV Studios, Shepherds Bush (Second House BBC Performance).

1. Tubular Bells (Part 1)

John Field - flute
Fred Frith - bass, guitar
John Greaves - keyboards
Steve Hillage - guitar
Tim Hodgkinson - keyboards
Karl Jenkins - oboe
Geoff Leigh - flute
Pierre Moerlen - percussion
Mike Oldfield - bass, guitar
Terry Oldfield - flute
Mike Ratledge - keyboards
Mick Taylor - guitar
Ted Speight - guitar, bass
Tom Newman - voice
+ Choir



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Posted By: manofmystery
Date Posted: January 26 2009 at 00:13
very enjoyable special overall with some problems
I won't begrudge the fact that FZ was given no credit for the rock concept album because it was a British program but I am very disappointed that the Strawbs were left out, as always.  Egg is big enough to make it but not the Strawbs? Aside from Jethro Tull prog folk was left untouched. 
well done as far as the "major" british bands are concerned I suppose


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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: January 26 2009 at 01:42
Originally posted by James James wrote:

Here you go:

30/11/1973, Mike Oldfield, BBC TV Studios, Shepherds Bush (Second House BBC Performance).


1. Tubular Bells (Part 1)

John Field - flute
Fred Frith - bass, guitar
John Greaves - keyboards
Steve Hillage - guitar
Tim Hodgkinson - keyboards
Karl Jenkins - oboe
Geoff Leigh - flute
Pierre Moerlen - percussion
Mike Oldfield - bass, guitar
Terry Oldfield - flute
Mike Ratledge - keyboards
Mick Taylor - guitar
Ted Speight - guitar, bass
Tom Newman - voice
+ Choir



Wow Shocked


Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: January 28 2009 at 15:51
Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Well, if you look at it objectively, they didn't really look any more ridiculous than the glam rockers or the punks..

..although, I guess the Slipperman outfit kinda crossed a line..
 
To be completely honest, I always liked the costumes the Yes guys wore.
 
Also, Gabriel has always made the ridiculous into cool.



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