Referrence to Classical Music
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Topic: Referrence to Classical Music
Posted By: The Pessimist
Subject: Referrence to Classical Music
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 10:59
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It is quite clear how classical music from all eras has effected and influenced the composition of progressive rock. However, newcomers to the site may not grasp that fact. So I was thinking, instead of fulfilling the insane task of putting every classical composer into discography form on PA (as mentioned a few times before), why don't we have an information page on how classical music has influenced Prog, alongside info on important composers to influence the genre, i.e. Stravinsky, Bach and Beethoven? I would be happy to collaborate a few paragraphs and suggestions towards the idea, as I'm sure many of the classical loving members here would as well. What do all of you think? I think it would be a nice informative addition to this site and I would love to see it here. ------------- "Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value." Arnold Schoenberg |
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 11:05
^^ I like the idea, Alex... . I'm listening to Mozart Violin Concerto No 2 as I type...
I think Ricochet (among many others) could also contribute considerably to this..
 ...although personally I'm more on the learning end than the teaching end at present...  ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: DavetheSlave
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 11:23
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Well at least I may have gotten something right!!!! ------------- I'm a normal psychopath |
Posted By: DavetheSlave
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 11:28
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Mozart is not Prog!
Neither Bach,, Beethoven or even Stravinsky, mainly because Prog means Proressive ROCK, and as I guess you know....There's no Rock in Classical music..
Iván
A quote from my recent Stratovarius thread on which there are a few references to classical music not being prog to which I disagree whole heartedly. ------------- I'm a normal psychopath |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 11:32
| I don't think anyone in this thread is suggesting that classical music is "prog" either. |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 11:33
| This suggestion has been made several times in the past, and I remember endorsing it enthusiastically. Though I wouldn't call myself a classical music fan, my late mother was one, so I grew up listening to just about everything, from symphonic to opera. Seen as the influence of classical music (and also of related genres like Baroque or Medieval) on the formation and development of prog is nothing short of essential, I think that 'the ultimate prog site' should definitely offer a section to those who wish to learn more about the subject. |
Posted By: DavetheSlave
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 11:38
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Classical music didn't influence prog bands. It is the reason that this site and just about everything music wise that we love exists. I fully agree that Deep Purple are proto Prog. My argument is not that Stratovarius are one form of prog or another. My argument is that I cannot find Strat anywhere at all on the Site which I feel is absolutely not right.
Anyone want to try to tell me that Stravinsky or Mazorski are not prog even by todays standard then go ahead. Again - I don't want to see classical music on the Site at all but what I would like to see is an understanding of music. This is not Liverpool vs Arsenal - it's music - probably the deepest art form available to humankind.
I've heard it said that a musician who cannot appreciate the classics is not a musician and I agree with that whole heartedly. You will never catch me listening to much classical music because it bores me because we've advanced technologically and we have a deeper understanding of music.
I've given up the fight for Stratovarius here and maybe now and then I will enter the fray again but not now. It is obvious that I can't win.
That was my reponse relating to the Stratovarius thread! ------------- I'm a normal psychopath |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 11:44
^^ well, let me just make my 9000th post a positive one, then...
thanks for your comments, Raff; I agree with you totally...
 although I'm not very knowledgable about classical music, I've been listening to quite a lot this year, and would be most interested in the views of some of our more learned members, as to how classical music influenced the compositional structures and arrangements of early prog and its creators.
it isn't essential to this site, but I for one would benefit from these thoughts (and so would Alex, quite evidently) as I'm sure many other would, in the future...
and no, I'm not saying Mozart is prog, but I wonder how many early prog artists would have cited Mozart as an influence in their move away from the 3 minute radio friendly pop culture of the mid to late 60's... ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 11:52
uhm...I could talk about classical music, I'm not sure I'd be just as prepared for "classical - prog rock" links. I would just sit back and let the avant-proggers talk about how much was Stravinski plagiarized in order for the genre to be created.  ------------- 
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fandango wrote:Posted By: DavetheSlave
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 11:52
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Any musician worth his or her salt in the 60's would have cited the classics as their main inspiration. Without the classics we would have had no Genesis, Yes, Rush, Marillion, Tull. Think on that. It is well known that much of Liszts music remains impossible to play properly other than by those who have studied him for years. His scales, progressions and general style are pure prog even by todays standard.
No operatic, symphonic prog - damn - what would I be doing now. Maybe jumping around a bongo drum. ------------- I'm a normal psychopath |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 11:57
Oh, I thought I'd never get an opportunity to respond to this (cause in the original thread, it would have been an off-topic response to an off-topic post)
Slaver, you've been putting a lot of suspicious work into the Stratovarius/Korn threads these days, but this topic is different and doesn't relate to the issue about Stratovarius and Korn in any way. So, perhaps it's best to stick to the original idea of this thread. -------------
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Posted By: DavetheSlave
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 12:10
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Rocochet - you obviously don't play a musical instrument. How can anybody tell me that without the classics we would understaqnd what prog music is today. Man - no wonder Strat and Korn aint here!!! Sometimes I just get stunned!!! ------------- I'm a normal psychopath |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 12:16
 Ricochet is a professional musician, and plays the piano. Just for your information....
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Posted By: DavetheSlave
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 12:19
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I'm glad to hear it - and he don't place too much store in classical music???? Don't wanna hear him play that's for sure. Oh, and he don't read what's said in the threads properly either! ------------- I'm a normal psychopath |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 12:32
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^lol! Are you really human? It seems you're a "Revolutionary Bot", if that really exists. You try to say everything opposite side from what everyone tells you. Damn technology! I want to have a "Revolutionary Bot" too!  |
Posted By: DavetheSlave
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 12:41
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Hi cacho - if someone tells me that Dream Theater is the top prog metal band we'll have a scintilating discussion. If someone agrees with me about Strat... then we'll be best of friends. Someone who tells me that classical music isn't the forerunner of all that we know here and then I'm a gonna fight with him!! Your happy neighbourhood revolutionary Bot!!!
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 12:41
Riccy makes me feel humble... he's half my age and knows more than twice as much...
So, slaver, you're not going to win this one, I'm afraid...
Anyone have anything constructive to say on Alex's initial proposal?? ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: DavetheSlave
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 12:46
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Hey fandango - Ricky will make me feel humble when he can play a Liszt concerto - or when he takes back that statement / comment inferring that classical music isn't solely responsible for all that we know and love here. I am all for Alex's proposal. We can't put each classical composer onto progarchives but a page or two devoted to the classics would make happy and would put things for newbies wanting to discover good music into proper perspective. ------------- I'm a normal psychopath |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 12:49
I know the feelling.... stunned.... at least you get the famed.... MICKY POST OF THE YEAR... and a feature spotlight... in my sig.... just had to pop in to congratulate you ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 12:51
"Sometimes I Just Get Stunned" would make a great title for a hair metal song. 
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Posted By: DavetheSlave
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 12:52
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Thanks micky - I'm honored!! ------------- I'm a normal psychopath |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 12:55
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Alright people, kibble_alex deserves a more serious discussion of his proposal. And Alex - I agree that a small section on the influence of various eras of (umbrella-term) classical music on what we consider "progressive rock" would be very interesting and illustrative - as a matter of fact, I am listening right now to the 20th century composer Olivier Messiaen, who had an enormous impact on one of my favorite bands, Henry Cow. |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 13:01
LMAO indeed! And I did not tell that we can understand what prog music is today without classical music. You (slaver) did, in the original Stratovarius prog, since I quote you saying:
Then you suddenly changed your statement blablabla.... -------------
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 13:04
Ok, lesson learned, let's go back to Alex's main idea. Good one - and I'll try to collaborate, if necessary.  -------------
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Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 13:04
Ah, Messiaen. Not one of my favourite composers, maybe a little too experimental for my tastes, but I have studied his work and he is by and large one of the greatest influences unto prog, especially RIO acts such as Henry Cow (as you mentioned) and Univers Zero. By the way, thank you for putting the thread back on its rails again. I'm getting quite sick of all other reasonable threads getting trashed by certain individuals. ------------- "Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value." Arnold Schoenberg |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 13:08
I'm here to serve. But you can see the value in your proposal right there: newcomers to the site familiar with those RIO bands but not aware of the influence of Messiaen (I was not until quite recently) would be very interested in checking out his works. |
Posted By: DavetheSlave
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 13:18
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Listening right now to Pictiures at an exhibition - ELP. Sorry for the spelling guys but Massorski must have influenced a number of prog bands (also Hall of the Mountain King). What about the Firebird Suite - Stravinski.
Gonna listen to Holst - the planets next. ------------- I'm a normal psychopath |
Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 13:30
Two fantastic choices. Any admins around that would like to enforce the idea? ------------- "Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value." Arnold Schoenberg |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 13:35
Something like this would need to be ultimately blessed by M@X - but I will certainly bring it to the attention of the admin team and we'll go from there. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 13:46
How about "Sometimes I Get Tased, But I'd Rather Get Teased"? Not sure where the info on Classical's influence on prog would go best, under Misc: or it's own place? Of course, there should then also be one for Jazz. I guess one for Rock wouldn't be necessary at this point. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 14:26
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 14:34
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I think it's a good idea, We should also have one for jazz artists and experimental artists. Some names one day I'd like to see make it into articles (or, as I want, a category for non-rock artists that have had an impact on progressive rock). Orff Stockhausen Glass Coltrane Shankar ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: DavetheSlave
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 14:45
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I love Orff - the vocals in the music are quite brilliant!! Been the theme tracks of quite a few very good movies - The original Omen - I believe and a few others. ------------- I'm a normal psychopath |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 14:46
That mention reminds me of philippe's electronic definition and essays mentions the evolution-related link between experimental/minimalistic/electronic forms of music in classical and the reach of the progressive electronic expressions we know. Similarly, a bit of writing about RIO/Avant-Prog and Modern/Contemporary Classical, about the fine (or not) art of classical music covering, about Proto-Prog bands' affinity for Bach, etc. -------------
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Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 15:01
May I suggest having them as sticky topics in the blog section of the forum? Or maybe having them linked via the top of the home page alongside Prog Links, Prog Radio, Guides To Prog Rock etc... Although that would be pushing it. Maybe as seperate links/articles within the Guides To Prog Rock sector? ------------- "Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value." Arnold Schoenberg |
Posted By: DavetheSlave
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 15:15
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Hey - I would suggest a page or 5 within the main banner index of Progarchives but that would take someone who knows their stuff in same regard - not me, I don't know anything like enough relating to the classical music influence side of things to Prog. Am happy to help though if needed in some way. Me old Ma was a classically trained pianist of concert quality apparantly - we just weren't priviliged in SA enough then to have had her go that route. She's a Liszt fan though - through and through. ------------- I'm a normal psychopath |
Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 15:26
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Slaver - I am somewhat insulted in you mentioning Hall of the Mountain King as a work of Mussorgsky. I do hope that one came out wrong....if not you better read up a bit on classical music mate ;-)
------------- Websites I work with: http://www.progressor.net http://www.houseofprog.com My profile on Mixcloud: https://www.mixcloud.com/haukevind/ |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 15:46
Yeah...Mussorgski focused on a different mountain. -------------
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 16:04
one with no clothes on, if I remember rightly?... ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 16:50
Actually with no hair on ... |
Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 17:04
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Aye, the mountain was a hairless one - but (supposedly) lots of nudity on that mountain in the specific setting Mussorgsky chose. Not of the kind that guys would be too keen to witness though ;-)
------------- Websites I work with: http://www.progressor.net http://www.houseofprog.com My profile on Mixcloud: https://www.mixcloud.com/haukevind/ |
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 17:06
| A section on the various roots of prog-rock, from concert hall music to jazz as well as seminal pre-proggers like The Shadows, Les Baxter or Sun Ra would be nice. Seems like there were some British avant-improv groups that had an influence on early out there improvisations by acid rock bands, but I can't remember their names. |
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 17:11
I've never heard of such nudity.  |
Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 17:13
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Could we say that Classical influenced certain prog genres instead of prog itself ? jazz fusion come to mind as one that would be hard to associate with classical music.
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 17:36
And you people are just lapping it up.
I fully support that, but I don't want to put effort into making it happen. Which is what internet suggestions are all about! I would also add a list of prominent prog covering classical music (especially in the cases where it might not be as obvious as Pictures At An Exhibition). ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 17:48
"Bouree" by Tull? Although that one is quite obvious if you know your classical even a little bit. ------------- "Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value." Arnold Schoenberg |
Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 18:04
Bela Bartok's influence on Art Zoyd, Univers Zero, Henry Cow... virtually all RIO/Avant/Chamber Prog is well known, but maybe a little less obvious. ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 18:21
I understand that. Since no one's mentioned it so far, but Hall of the Mountain King is Grieg's, a contemporary of one of my personal favorite decomposing composers, Debussy. But Peer Gynt Suite No. 1's Morning had been embedded in my head since a young child and I didn't even make the connection with the composer until a history professor played it for a class in college. Of course I had been familiar with Hall of the Mountain King from Wakeman doing a few bars from the piece on his Journey To The Center Of The Earth album. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 18:33
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but all classical, Romantic, Heroic, Baroque, and Avant classical influenced Prog, didn't it? Both Keith Emerson and Robert Fripp (to a lesser degree) were classically trained - Emerson in particular thoroughly versed in all the important composers, including 20th Century - and this is what allowed them to create progressive rock (same for the RIO bands)., distinguishing them from other so-called progressive artists as the Beatles who merely utilized a classical passage now and then or got George Martin to arrange something or play the keys. |
Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 20:40
Could be a Hollywood thingy of course - that the witches on Walpurgis night dance naked as well as partake in sexual orgies with demons and other creatures of Satanic origin ;-) ------------- Websites I work with: http://www.progressor.net http://www.houseofprog.com My profile on Mixcloud: https://www.mixcloud.com/haukevind/ |
Posted By: Ivan_Melgar_M
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 22:00
Do you even know the difference between being Prog and being influential?
I can say it 100 times Mozart is not Prog, but I never said Classical didn't influenced Prog, have you read the Symphonic Prog definition?
I said this in the symphonic definition and also believe it today, so please if you are going to quote me, do it in the correct context.
Iván ------------- 
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: December 09 2008 at 01:19
Ah, the quality of such classical music jokes...you guys are the best!  But let the clappies flow: -------------
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Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: December 09 2008 at 12:05
I think different eras of classical music influenced different genres of prog. Most of prog metal is influenced by Baroque to my ears, prog folk has a fair bit of a Renaissance influence (era, not band), symphonic prog i think probably carries most of its influence from the classical and baroque period, RIO from the modernist and post-romantic periods... It goes on really. That's my perception anyway. ------------- "Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value." Arnold Schoenberg |
Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: December 09 2008 at 12:07
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Also adding to that, I agree that classical music has been a direct influence on the musicians as well. I know for a fact that Hugh Banton, Kerry Minnear and Jordan Rudess have been classically trained (don't like JR's style, but he's a good player nonetheless with very classical technique).
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Posted By: jimidom
Date Posted: December 10 2008 at 09:41
Classically-trained musicians, who wanted to rock but who also wanted to hang on to their recital-worthy aesthetic while showing off their chops, could do so thanks to prog. They could even ditch their tails for glittery robes in the process. ------------- "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." - HST |
Posted By: Alberto Muńoz
Date Posted: December 10 2008 at 10:53
 Rico what a laugh i do in work when i read this...-------------  |
Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: December 10 2008 at 12:21
You wouldn't be talking about Lord Rick would you? ------------- "Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value." Arnold Schoenberg |
Posted By: jimidom
Date Posted: December 11 2008 at 09:03
Yes! The one and only!
  ------------- "The music business is a cruel and shallow money trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free, and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." - HST |
Posted By: DavetheSlave
Date Posted: December 11 2008 at 09:15
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You guys are very strange - without the classics we would have no rock, prog rock, jazz, blues, or anything else - we may have had sacrificial tribe type drumming!!!!! No one can deny that!!!!!!!!!! ------------- I'm a normal psychopath |
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: December 11 2008 at 09:18
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^ And without the "sacrificial tribe type drumming" we wouldn't have had the classics.
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Posted By: DavetheSlave
Date Posted: December 11 2008 at 09:20
Yep Vompatti - you got it right! ------------- I'm a normal psychopath |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: December 11 2008 at 09:35
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Popular Music (of which Rock, Prog, Jazz and Blues are subgenres) is based upon the folk music of troubadours and minstrels, of sea shanties and tales told around the fire, odes and ditties to unrequited love and songs to make the crops grow, not the classics. ------------- What? |
Posted By: DavetheSlave
Date Posted: December 11 2008 at 09:41
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Hello again dean - we gonna argue now now!! Where do you thing that the piano comes from???? Keyboards came from what??? What is the main instrument that epitomises prog!!!! The 6 and 12 string guitar comes from where???? ------------- I'm a normal psychopath |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: December 11 2008 at 09:56
------------- What? |
Posted By: DavetheSlave
Date Posted: December 11 2008 at 10:02
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Hey Dean - just about every instrument that we love today comes from the classical symphonic orchestra. Our Prog mainstays were all classically influenced. Yes, Genesis, Tull, etc etc - They aren't on the number one to five spot here for nothing!!!!!! ------------- I'm a normal psychopath |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: December 11 2008 at 10:06
Dean just told you that's not the case. Some form of guitar (as Dean mentioned, a lyre or lute) have been around for thousands of years. |
Posted By: DavetheSlave
Date Posted: December 11 2008 at 10:11
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Yeah but it was perfected by classical music - ask John Williams or Al Di Miola. ------------- I'm a normal psychopath |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: December 11 2008 at 10:13
------------- What? |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: December 11 2008 at 10:21
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I seam to remember this thread having started out as a polite request by Alex, to see whether there would be any possibility in placing a section on the top menu, showing the extent to which Prog's development had been influenced by classical music...
....we seam to have strayed off the subject, somewhat... ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: December 11 2008 at 10:23
I'm torn apart between wholeheartedly agreeing and straying even more, by asking you what you meant (twice) by "seam"...  -------------
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Posted By: DavetheSlave
Date Posted: December 11 2008 at 10:27
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I agree whole heartedly about a section in the top menu referring to classical music being placed in the top menu!!!!! It would just need expert members to write it and contribute. ------------- I'm a normal psychopath |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: December 11 2008 at 10:35
I was using the word as an understatement, Riccy... what I really meant to say was I
 know that some of us are hell-bent in straying off-topic.... I guess this thread could be best served as a place where forum members could discuss where it would be located/ page layout/ content/ relationship to prog-genres/ examples of albums/ bands/ musicians who have been clearly influenced by classical styles/ pieces, and how best we could signpost new members toward exploring relevant examples of classical music as a consequence...
after all, such a journey is not doing me any harm.. in fact its put some hairs on my chest... ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: DavetheSlave
Date Posted: December 11 2008 at 10:39
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Hey Fandango - explore some of Liszts Piano works- that is astounding!!!! Talk about hairs on the chest!! ------------- I'm a normal psychopath |
Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: December 11 2008 at 10:39
Yes indeed, he is arguably the greatest keyboard player from the 70s, only matched by the two other greats Kerry Minnear and Jan Hammer (and maybe some obscure Krautrock, Avant-Garde and Zeuhl players that I've never heard of ).One more polite request. Could we stay on topic please? I didn't create this thread to argue whether prog is influenced by classical music, because it obviously is. ------------- "Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value." Arnold Schoenberg |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: December 11 2008 at 10:45
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^ You are right Alex, and I apologise for wandering into the margins a bit - however, since there is an issue of how and where the influence of Classical Music lies on Progressive Rock - it does tend to highlight the issue of what the content of such a section should be and who what or why any particular piece or compose should (or should not) be there - then I think some of that slightly off-topic discussion are valid. ------------- What? |
Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: December 11 2008 at 10:58
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No problem Dean. So now we are onto it, what are your feelings on the info page idea? ------------- "Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value." Arnold Schoenberg |