Does Italian progrock have really Oriental flavor?
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Topic: Does Italian progrock have really Oriental flavor?
Posted By: DamoXt7942
Subject: Does Italian progrock have really Oriental flavor?
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 02:27
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Hello, folks. As some of proggers explain, Italian progrock has Oriental impression and flavour. Italian pasta is made by wheat flour including gluten, and this source is related to Chinese or Oriental noodle. Thanks all PA members. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/damoxt7942" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 08:41
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I think... Oriental flavour... Arabic flavour, to be onest...:
AKTUALA:
http://www.italianprog.com/a_aktuala.htm - http://www.italianprog.com/a_aktuala.htm
http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1481 - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1481
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aktuala - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aktuala http://www.italianprog.com/eng/a_aktuala.htm - ------------- 
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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 22:49
I think prog fans tend to celebrate differences rather than similarities. I enjoy great Japanese prog like Bondage Fruit, Koenjihyakkai and Happy Family because it has a different flavor than British, Swedish, Italian, Chilean or U.S. prog. There may be some in your country who hear some commonality, but I would like to think that what appeals to me about international progressive music is more the rule than the exception.
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Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: December 09 2008 at 17:37
Thanks Mandrakeroot, for your recommendation.
I've not heard AKTUALA yet but look forwars to listening with Oriental flavour.
Thanks Tapfret.
Indeed you're right and I love the eccentricity and strangeness, but I suggest we Oriental people sometimes want a similar flavour around the Western world...the wonderful world for us.
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Mandrakeroot wrote:Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: January 10 2009 at 05:32
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You see also this: REVIEW OF 'Sandokan (o.s.t.):
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.editAlbumPhoto&albumID=884761&imageID=7227672">
 Track list:
1. Sandokan (3:02)
2. Viva Mompracem (2:37)
3. Sweet Lady Blue (orchestrale) (3:13)
4. Caccia Alla Tigre (2:04)
5. Marianna (2:43)
6. Colera (4:10)
7. Sweet Lady Blue (3:13)
8. Arrembaggio (1:45)
9. L'Arrivo Di andokan (3:42)
10. Brooke (1:24)
11. Dedicata A Marianna (1:25)
12. Sandokan (orchestrale) (3:27)
13. Goodbye Sandokan (1:53)
Line-Up:
- Oliver onions (Guido & Maurizio De Angelis) / musics and voices on 1, 7, 13
- Orchestra di Guido e Maurizio De Angelis / orchestra
- Enrico Ciacci and Maurizio De Angelis / sitar
- Mandrake and Adriano Giordanella / percussions
Guido and Maurizio De Angelis, known with their names as music writer and as Oliver Onions as interpreters of their music in 1976 received instructed by RAI (Italian TV) to write the OST of the television drama 'Sandokan', drawn from the novels of Emilio Salgari set in Malaysia. Today they are known not only for the OST of 'Sandokan' but also for the OST of the films by Bud Spencer and Terence Hill. 'Sandokan' is the only work in the RPI and Prog field by guido and Maurizio De angelis. Because books and television drama are set in Malaysia the music contain elements of Arab music and the sitar are the master.
The famous signature tune 'Sandokan' is pure RPI song in the vein of Lanzetti's PFM but with more dramatic emphasis and more POP structure. This is true for the version of signature tune because the 'orchestral version' have the sitar that change (but not too much) this fact. dramatic is 'Goodbye Sandokan' with the same music but extremely slow. Except for 'Sweet Lady Blue' all the rest of the songs are dominated by sitar and cymbal, that creating a Malaysia and tropical jungle effects truly unique. Personally I have not been able to see the television drama but from what I was told me I can truly say that this OST is really faithful to the plot of the drama television... That is very faithful to the books of Emilio Salgari (although with many licenses). Just listening to the OST is pleasant even without knowing the television drama, so much so that this CD does not seem to even its OST!
Rightly the OST of 'Sandokan' should be included in the RPI, as an example of this beautiful Progressive genre. Moreover, in my opinion, it is also one of the best examples. And I can not recommend it to all lovers of the RPI.
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Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: January 10 2009 at 13:04
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There is a band called Futuro Antico which has a lot of oriental flavour (indo/raga), and actually not only on Italian prog but in several prog rock bands we will find some oriental touches in the music. ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: January 10 2009 at 13:27
Well, I would recommend ../artist.asp?id=2811 - YUGEN 
2006 ../album.asp?id=14185 - Labirinto d'Acqua 3.94 (7 ratings) It was my favourite album of 2006, and gotta love the shakuhachi. |
Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: January 10 2009 at 14:28
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Does Italian progrock has really Oriental flavor?
I think in most cases no. Though some bands and artists like AKTUALA, INDACO, Mauro Pagani often use elements of Oriental cultures. ------------- Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour) |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: January 10 2009 at 16:40
| And then there's Opus Avantra's "Mysterious Japanese Suite". |
Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: January 10 2009 at 21:34
| I wouldn't say Italian prog has an oriental flavor. I would say that PFM opened the doors for a lot of acts in Japan. |
Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: January 12 2009 at 04:23
 All Italian prog freaks, many thanks!
Hmm...indeed there are many opinions that Italian prog douesn't have Oriental flavour.
I consider sometimes they are right and sometimes wrong.
(As you think, I guess my this-month-experiences 'bout Italian progressive rock should alter my opinion...)
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Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: January 14 2009 at 04:17
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Yea, folks...
I'm lookin' forward to meetin' the albums Yugen's Labirinto d'Acqua and Opus Avantra's Lyrics. (Thanks Logan.)
Sadly Aktuala's ones now are unavailable so I couldn't get... ------------- http://www.facebook.com/damoxt7942" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: January 14 2009 at 08:18
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Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: January 14 2009 at 09:09
 ...At a loss of my mind like this...  ------------- http://www.facebook.com/damoxt7942" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: January 15 2009 at 05:12
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ARIIA PALEA 'Zoicekardi'a' is a mix between Jethro Tull and Byzantine music (for arrangements):
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=2770 - http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=2770
 My review is produced using this release: Lizard/ Pick Up 549 0022
Rating: 8/10 Incredible album!!! This is another good Italian band in the vein of 70's Italian bands and Jethro Tull!!! The lack of the keyboards and the presence of the flute they send back just to the Tull, even if filters from one heavy dose of the I Delirium. This feeling becomes truth in "Scena Dopo Scena" and in "Verso La Foresta". You don't believe, however, that it is easy music. In fact to the first one I listen to I had not just understood them and they hadn't made one good impression me. But from the second listening... every time that I have them listens to... You has understood them a little more. The guitar is Jazz-Blues and the not Rock drums they find in a flueo to the tull, in a good voice and in a superior writing the just complement. And the result is an indeed personal sound. If thoughts that the Italian groups are able to only copy... Listened to this Aria Palea and then you say me if I don't have reason to say that they are unique. P.s.: But Jethro Tull dominates this album!!! -------------
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Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: January 15 2009 at 10:46
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Zoicekardiá I've not heard, but L'idea del vuoto is in PA library and I've listened to it.
Oh...the vocal-style (by Calogiuri bros.?) is exactly Japanese Enka-like.
The tune itself is so jazzy, not like Zipangesse.
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: January 15 2009 at 11:47
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Hi,
I think that this is just cyclical ... and you just happen to like the Italian version today, tomorrow you will like the Venusian version and after that the American version (like there is one !!!) ...
I have to say that when I was around/near radio, and playing with this stuff, things WERE cyclical in those days and a lot of it had to do with the delivery systems that brought the music over ... it was always weird how Sadistic Mika Band, Yellow Magic Orchestra and Chronicle ... always managed to show up on the same week ... in those days shipping was (still is) expensive ... so the big providers in the LA area (Moby Disk/Passport) got things in bunches in a way that made business sense for them ...
No worry there ... but the hassle then was that ... we would not get the new Klaus Schulze album for a couple more weeks ...
To be honest with you, if you think that what you say is true ... then your ear is tuned to too much Puccini and Verdi ... not progressive, or any other music of any kind. The advent of the Internet has taken down these barriers exceedingly well ... and it is the best thing that ever could have happened to ANY art and musical form!
Stop eating so much pizza and pasta! Send me some egg rolls!
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Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: January 15 2009 at 17:39
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Cyclical...sur-meaningful word, mosh.
No intention of sticking the Oriental or Japanese flavour but I'm very interested with SUBTLE flavour... ------------- http://www.facebook.com/damoxt7942" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: January 16 2009 at 14:29
Hmm, I don't taste any soy sauce, Sriracha, Sambal.
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Posted By: weatherreport
Date Posted: January 17 2009 at 08:02
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hi there!
do you know "cage"?
is an italian prog band active from 87...
...search for it on Musea site... they have published a new album....
...they have myspace page too...
http://www.myspace.com/progressivecage - www.myspace.com/progressivecage
...waiting for answers......
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Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: January 17 2009 at 19:37
http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2057 - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=2057
Cage is a good band. I've heard their MySpace sampler and think so.
Sadly I think their style belong to symphonic and neo-prog rather than Oriental-flavoured.  ------------- http://www.facebook.com/damoxt7942" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: January 26 2009 at 17:27
Yesterday I could get the album and soon listened.
Oo...my eyes got dim with tears...by such a pleasant album. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/damoxt7942" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: January 27 2009 at 18:05
| ^I'm so glad you enjoyed it, Damo. :) It would be a difficult album for many. |
Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: January 28 2009 at 09:11
I've written MY FIRST IMPRESSION REVIEW...please watch.
 http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=1004264991&blogID=466979497 - http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=1004264991&blogID=466979497 ------------- http://www.facebook.com/damoxt7942" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: awaken77
Date Posted: January 28 2009 at 13:37
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I wouln't say for all Italian bands . but Area has Eastern influences |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: January 29 2009 at 21:42
That's great! And I truly appreciate the mention. Thanks. |
Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: February 01 2009 at 10:01
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In general Damo see the Italian Jazz Rock band Il Baricentro 2 LPs. This band have good Byzantine influences (typical of Italian Jazz Rock of 70's)! -------------
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: February 01 2009 at 10:03
de nada!!! -------------
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Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: February 02 2009 at 06:21
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Thanks Logan and Mandy.
Your recommendation and appreciation could light my fire of RPI!
Next I wanna watch LIVE IN TOKYO by Opus Avantra. ------------- http://www.facebook.com/damoxt7942" rel="nofollow">
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