CD, LP or MP3?
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Topic: CD, LP or MP3?
Posted By: CCVP
Subject: CD, LP or MP3?
Date Posted: December 06 2008 at 09:01
Its CD for me, because its much easier to deal that a LP, does not have the background hiss from the needle and i can burn or rip it into MP3 to use wherever and whenever i want: MP3 player / Ipod, car, etc.
Besides, the quality is much bigger than the MP3 and since i am not a dog and cannot listen to the "expanded" sound specter the LP have, the CD works fine for me.
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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: December 06 2008 at 09:20
LP - because its beautiful Mp3 - practical (filling up 120 GB (1500-2000 albums? 13000-14000 tracks?) on a player not much bigger than a mobile phone is incredible) CD - worthless plastic crap (but not really).
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Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: December 06 2008 at 09:31
CDs for me, for life. I refuse to start over.
My LPs are all gone. MP3 doesn't interest me in the least.
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: December 06 2008 at 09:32
Depends for what. Listening? CD. But for collection or decorations or whatever of the style, LP it is, it's just awesome.
BTW: Where's the Cassete?
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Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: December 06 2008 at 10:11
cacho wrote:
BTW: Where's the Cassete? |
Don't think the cassette was as important as the 3 listed. I mean, sure the cassette was very important during the 80's, but there are some issues with it. The more important is that the total cassettes sold are in a much smaller number than the LP or CD sold. Besides that, it just was REALLY present for a decade, wile the LP IS out there for well over 50 years and the CD for over 20 years. Also, in some places there were simply no "official" cassettes. For example, in Brazil more than 80% or all cassettes sold were pirate cassettes.
So, that's why
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Posted By: clarke2001
Date Posted: December 06 2008 at 10:14
If it's about good music, anything will do.
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Posted By: Philip
Date Posted: December 06 2008 at 10:19
My preferred is the LP. But the one I use the most is the CD. But I feel something special with the LP, so I go for it.
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Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: December 06 2008 at 10:22
CDs for me. First and foremost, CD quality is the best. Also, I like to have a physical copy of an album, and CDs provide the physical copy, liner notes and what not. I use mp3s often for when I'm using my computer or on my ipod when I'm out and about (320 kbps or better only). LPs are nice collectors items, and listening to an album on vinyl can be fun sometimes, but they can never replace CDs.
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: December 06 2008 at 10:29
CCVP wrote:
cacho wrote:
BTW: Where's the Cassete? |
Don't think the cassette was as important as the 3 listed. I mean, sure the cassette was very important during the 80's, but there are some issues with it. The more important is that the total cassettes sold are in a much smaller number than the LP or CD sold. Besides that, it just was REALLY present for a decade, wile the LP IS out there for well over 50 years and the CD for over 20 years. Also, in some places there were simply no "official" cassettes. For example, in Brazil more than 80% or all cassettes sold were pirate cassettes.
So, that's why
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I was just joking man, didn't you see the.....darn emoticons are useless...
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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: December 06 2008 at 11:04
LPs sound like Anthony Hopkins. CDs sound like Stephen Hawking.
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: December 06 2008 at 11:33
clarke2001 wrote:
If it's about good music, anything will do.
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I agree.
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Posted By: crimson87
Date Posted: December 06 2008 at 11:41
I own 200 CD's and just 1 LP (from ELP). Still , that LP is amazing and I think there has to be a way to go back to that era I mean the quality of the CD is amazing but the artwork has nothing to do against the LP
And MP3 was my gateway to prog and jazz , plus is very practical.
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Posted By: DJPuffyLemon
Date Posted: December 06 2008 at 11:41
Considering most of my music is in a non-physical form, I vote MP3. I never understood LP's personally, but I asume from these comments that its a collectors' thing, and that the artwork is nicer to look at than on a CD. Which is probably true. As for a CD, never use them because all I do is rip them to my PC, so I've cut out the middle man, although honestly it is nice to have a physical copy of the music because you feel closer to it, and can actually read the liner notes and such, which if you really loike the music, is a real plus. But for practical use, I have way too much music to not have it on MP3.
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Posted By: limeyrob
Date Posted: December 06 2008 at 11:50
I went for CD. Not necessarily because it is a better sound but because they are much more practical. I can convert to Sony ATRAC and put all my albums on my HD Walkman, I can do a bit of sound manipulation on my PC software and, as I get most of my music through the internet these days, a CD can be posted through the letter box - otherwise I'd get a plethora of 'sorry we missed you' cards from the postie and result in a lengthy journey to the sorting office.
However I think vinyl does have two main advantages. Firstly, I prefer the sound of vinyl but I hate the ticks and scratches that inevitably build up. Also I think that a good few sound engineers haven't quite got to grips with the subtle difference in sound between CD and vinyl. Controversial or what?? Secondly I like to look at the artwork on covers. If I had the resources (not to mention the permission of the wife!) instead of keeping my CDs side on in shelves I'd like to keep them front on across our largest wall. I've seen some hanging systems that store them in a diamond orientation which look OK, but don't give me any ideas!
I don't do downloads as I can see the point in them and, as said, I like to see album artwork.
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Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: December 06 2008 at 12:27
cacho wrote:
CCVP wrote:
cacho wrote:
BTW: Where's the Cassete? |
Don't think the cassette was as important as the 3 listed. I mean, sure the cassette was very important during the 80's, but there are some issues with it. The more important is that the total cassettes sold are in a much smaller number than the LP or CD sold. Besides that, it just was REALLY present for a decade, wile the LP IS out there for well over 50 years and the CD for over 20 years. Also, in some places there were simply no "official" cassettes. For example, in Brazil more than 80% or all cassettes sold were pirate cassettes.
So, that's why
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I was just joking man, didn't you see the.....darn emoticons are useless...
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yes, i know dude. But i though t it was better to answer anyway because someone may ask it more seriously and then we get ourselves a sh*tstorm. . .
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Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: December 06 2008 at 12:42
MP3s, for practicallity. Face it people. they are the future of music/audio.
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Posted By: progrules
Date Posted: December 06 2008 at 12:50
Interesting question ! I actually picked Mp3. With a three hour daily trainride mp3 is ideal (100% prog btw)
LP would be a little bit harder
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Posted By: Gentlegiantprog
Date Posted: December 06 2008 at 13:10
cd for the sole reason that cds are normal from someone my age, vinyl is cool and all but its difficult to get a vinyl player, its difficult to get a bloody vinyl if you don't live in a city and you cant skip tracks as far as I'm aware. I don't dislike vinyl but I have like 300-400 cd, I vinyl and only 3 itunes albums. I agree with liking linear notes/lyrics booklets, being able to listen inn most cars, plus easy mp3 conversion via ripping.
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Posted By: mystic fred
Date Posted: December 06 2008 at 13:13
LP definitely - Prog is about musicality, not practicality !
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Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: December 06 2008 at 13:21
mystic fred wrote:
LP definitely - Prog is about musicality, not practicality ! |
so i will never be a progger
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Posted By: Yorkie X
Date Posted: December 06 2008 at 14:02
I prefer CD overall for a few reasons the main reason is its durability and pleasing sound quality but I think the main reason is because I`m lazy and I don't look getting up after 22 minutes to flip the record over. I like mp3's very much as well but for my sense of ownership I never feel like I own an Mp3 there's something temporary about them until I burn them to CD that is and gather artwork from the net .. what I really like about Mp3's is editing them I often remaster recordings and bring them up to date with the sound you would expect from this century .. easy to do and believe me very worth while.
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: December 06 2008 at 14:03
Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: December 06 2008 at 14:08
I use MP3s mostly. Like people before me have said, it's very practical and I don't have to keep switching things out a ton. That's not really a problem, but I really don't have very many CDs and have downloaded quite a bit of music. That, and my speaker system for my record player leaves tons to be desired (It's hooked up to the TV, and it's only mezzo-piano when the TV is turned all the way up). I really like my favorite bands' music to have a physical CD copy, but then there are the classic bands that I don't really care for but I want to listen to their music. And when it comes between supporting my favorite artists on a limited budget and getting a physical copy of a really big band's music, I'll most likely download the latter and buy the former.
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Posted By: Hawkwise
Date Posted: December 06 2008 at 14:09
Vinyl all the way !!!!
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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: December 06 2008 at 14:53
Moatilliatta wrote:
First and foremost, CD quality is the best. *.............. and listening to an album on vinyl can be fun sometimes, but they can never replace CDs**. |
* Then you've clearly never heard a really good turntable!
I used to use CDs almost exclusively and own a very fine Naim CD player, though I also had several hundred LPs and a Rega deck. Then, my best friend died and left me his LP collection and his Pink Triangle Anniversary turntable with an SME arm and Lyra cartridge. I tried it out and was quite astonished by the results; now I no longer use CDs if I have the album on vinyl - the vinyl sound quality is so much more lifelike and realistic.
**I think it's truer to say that CDs can never replace vinyl!
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Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: December 06 2008 at 14:56
Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: December 06 2008 at 15:30
Prefer to own the CD - but listen to 99% of the music as digital files. Ogg Vorbis is my chosen format though, think it's a better codec than mp3, especially for complicated music.
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Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: December 06 2008 at 16:10
8 track for me. I miss that clicking sound when it changes tracks.
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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: December 06 2008 at 16:51
As I'm both an archivist and a semi-paranoid, I would choose the three formats AND THE CASSETTE. MP3 for testing and lending to friends without fearing to lose your precious vinyle or CD; LP for long lost gems unavailable on CD or only findable through the P2P network (that I don't use); CD for it's pratical: small and easy to pack when moving; K7 for being even smaller and esaier to pack, but also because I discovered a whole lot of material had been released on this format and is NOT available on CD or LP!
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Posted By: mithrandir
Date Posted: December 06 2008 at 17:16
I choose LPs, I love LPs, the size, the art, the packaging, the weighty feel of the vinyl in my hand, flipping the record over, they usually have a greater collectors value as well, but man I literally have a few thousand of them and they are a bitch to move, I tell ya...
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Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: December 07 2008 at 10:27
I'm growing increasingly fond of LPs. But in general I prefer CDs because they're easier to store, transport etc, and because of compatibility.
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: December 07 2008 at 11:48
even though most of the listening i do is with my iPod, it's CD's for me. because i dont own a vinyl player (there's one in my house but it's not mine and i own no LPs anyway.
also when i have a cd, it means ill get into it more because i dont have an mp3 transmitter in my car so i cant listen to my ipod, which if i could, then i would not spend enough time getting into an album.
as much as i love my iPod, when you have 60 days worth of music, it's hard to just listen to a couple of albums and really get into them. a lot of times i find myself going from one album to another and rarely find myself going back to any of them within a decent amount of time. anyone know what im talking about?
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Posted By: Nightfly
Date Posted: December 07 2008 at 15:33
When Cd's first came out in the 80's I hated them and it took ages to actually start buying them but now it's my preffered choice though a good vinyl pressing is hard to beat. As for MP3's...no way will i ever pay for a download, I want a hard copy.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 07 2008 at 15:55
CCVP wrote:
cacho wrote:
BTW: Where's the Cassete? |
Don't think the cassette was as important as the 3 listed. I mean, sure the cassette was very important during the 80's, but there are some issues with it. The more important is that the total cassettes sold are in a much smaller number than the LP or CD sold. Besides that, it just was REALLY present for a decade, wile the LP IS out there for well over 50 years and the CD for over 20 years. Also, in some places there were simply no "official" cassettes. For example, in Brazil more than 80% or all cassettes sold were pirate cassettes.
So, that's why
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I can't believe you left out 8 Track.
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Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: December 07 2008 at 16:15
I grew up with CDs so CDs it is for me, i have listened to LPs or Vinyls since peopel say they are suposed to sound so good dident sound any good at all to my ears compered to my wonderfull litle disc's, CD by far for me. Altough i have started to listen more and more to MP3's so in some years it might be MP3 all the way, but for now its Compact Disc.
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Posted By: BroSpence
Date Posted: December 07 2008 at 18:23
Can't spell ELP without LP. Of course, of all the LPs I have the ones with ELP on it get some of the lesser play. haha.
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Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: December 07 2008 at 19:41
With some regret I vote for CD's. Having grown up in the LP era, there's nothing like an LP. (Anyone want to see my Butcher cover Yesterday and Today, bought totally innocently?) But unfortunately like many teenagers of the era I had sub-par turntables and was not necessarily caring of my LP's. Hence scratches, skips, pops, cat food remnants, etc.
A quality remastered CD has better sound.
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Posted By: Floydoid
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 00:08
CD for quality of sound
MP3 for convenience
LP for artwork
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Posted By: peskypesky
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 01:20
For pure sound quality, I still think nothing beats vinyl.
But I listen to mp3's mostly these days (ipod, Macbook).
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Posted By: peskypesky
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 01:23
darkshade wrote:
as much as i love my iPod, when you have 60 days worth of music, it's hard to just listen to a couple of albums and really get into them. a lot of times i find myself going from one album to another and rarely find myself going back to any of them within a decent amount of time. anyone know what im talking about?
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i know exactly what you're talking about.
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Posted By: Roj
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 03:23
I was brought up on vinyl LPs (not literally!), but the times they have a changed, and I will vote for cds which I use almost exclusively now.
Cacho, I still have a Walkman cassette player!! I listen to my old early 80s neo prog cassettes from bands like Tamarisk, Gothique, Karma and Trilogy that didn't quite make it.
Unfortunately, I have really not got to grips with mp3s and such as yet. That's my resolution for 2009!
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Posted By: npjnpj
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 04:00
CDs should be sold in LP covers because of the art work.
Apart from that, what's your view of the iPod m4a (or mpeg4) format for quality? I'm very happy with it, but what's your view, does that format lose a lot of quality? Can't say I notice that myself. FLAC just seems over the top to me.
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 04:10
CDs for the notes, art, and higher gain, but I must admit to the wonderful and extremely hard to find music I've acquired via mp3
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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 10:06
clarke2001 wrote:
If it's about good music, anything will do.
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Same here
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Posted By: 33rpm
Date Posted: December 08 2008 at 14:25
LP's just sound better!!!
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Posted By: gr8dane
Date Posted: December 09 2008 at 16:25
Floydoid wrote:
CD for quality of sound
MP3 for convenience
LP for artwork
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Yup.
That does it for me.
I take more chances on the Buying MP3's.A $9 chance is better for me than taking a $20-25 chance.
Don't have a record player anymore.
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: December 09 2008 at 22:44
I've never been able to tell the difference between a CD and an MP3, and MP3s are much cheaper.
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: December 09 2008 at 23:29
the quality is about the same but when burned to disc, mp3s seem to lose a lot of gain level
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Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: December 10 2008 at 13:01
I think I've been blessed (or cursed) with a bad ear when it comes to quality of sound. I really can't tell much difference between vinyl/CD/MP3. However, I can really tell when it's a really bad MP3, when the cymbals seem to shatter and the whole sounds like it's underwater. Maybe that's why I don't really have much more love for vinyls or something. However, I really do prefer to have a physical copy of my music if I can, which is why I get the CD if I really am looking forward to listening to it.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 10 2008 at 13:21
LDP3CPM, geeze you guys are so behind the times.
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Posted By: sean
Date Posted: December 10 2008 at 17:20
i think LP's sound the best, but are the least convenient, whereas mp3's sound the worst but are the most convenient. CD's are in between both and have a nice balance, where they sound better than mp3's but are still portable, and though they don't sound nearly as good as LP's, they are easier to travel with.
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: December 10 2008 at 17:22
Slartibartfast wrote:
LDP3CPM, geeze you guys are so behind the times.
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You see guys, this is a man of incredible technology culture, he knows what he's talking about.
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: December 10 2008 at 17:24
Roj M30 wrote:
I was brought up on vinyl LPs (not literally!), but the times they have a changed, and I will vote for cds which I use almost exclusively now.
Cacho, I still have a Walkman cassette player!! I listen to my old early 80s neo prog cassettes from bands like Tamarisk, Gothique, Karma and Trilogy that didn't quite make it.
Unfortunately, I have really not got to grips with mp3s and such as yet. That's my resolution for 2009! |
Cool to hear that Roj! Even if I don't know those bands
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: December 10 2008 at 18:48
Posted By: prog4evr
Date Posted: December 13 2008 at 03:37
Always got upset at scratches on the LP (especially if it was Japanese virgin vinyl!) Then, I thought CD was awesome, until it too would "skip" because of sh*t on the laser lens. Then, I thought all my problems were solved with MP3 - what could possibly go wrong? Well, sometimes, the MP3 downloads are f**ked up too. So, I think I am waiting for the next technological innovation instead...
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Posted By: Foolsdrummer
Date Posted: December 15 2008 at 10:11
I voted for vinyl!
(Turning around the LP and putting the needle on it is a wonderful ritual )
I ain't that much into mp3
There are more extroadinary LP's available in the vicinity here, than CD's.
I sometimes order a few CD's at Amazon, though.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 15 2008 at 10:41
Once you try robot hookers you will never go back.
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Posted By: peskypesky
Date Posted: December 15 2008 at 19:51
33rpm wrote:
LP's just sound better!!! |
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Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: December 15 2008 at 21:58
33rpm wrote:
LP's just sound better!!! |
I disagree. . .
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Posted By: TartanTantrum
Date Posted: December 16 2008 at 09:34
It has to be the LP. I am 50 now and was brought up with them. Besides, I can't read the sleeve notes on CDs anymore!
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: December 16 2008 at 10:46
TartanTantrum wrote:
It has to be the LP. I am 50 now and was brought up with them. Besides, I can't read the sleeve notes on CDs anymore!
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I'm only 43 until March, but I don't care for the LP other than the large format covers.
I can't read the CD sleeve notes either.
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Posted By: SgtPepper67
Date Posted: December 16 2008 at 18:58
Definitely CD. I hate MP3s, even though they made a lot of music more accessible, music that I would have never heard of any other way. Besides the poor quality of the songs, I hate the fact that albums are losing importance and they're making the music focus just on single songs. I love listening to albums as a whole, not just as a bunch of songs put together, I guess you know what I mean being prog fans. But it seems to me that concept is being lost, people just download their favourite hits from some bands and the listen to them on random order.
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Posted By: kenethlevine
Date Posted: December 16 2008 at 23:15
I rarely buy MP3's and when I do I burn them to a CD. I have to have a physical item to be happy, but I have to say that with more and more music in my collection as I get older and older, MP3's are the best for sheer practicality. Between my 80 GB ipod and the MP3 CD player in my car, I am happy. I listen to the ipod on my commute on the train, and I burn MP3 CDs with 6 hours of music for long car rides. I don't even have to change a CD between Boston and Montreal. And it saves a lot of space in those CD holders.
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Posted By: Lost Follower
Date Posted: December 17 2008 at 06:44
With the amount of dosh I've spent on my sound system, I certainly don't wanna be listening to compressed files like MP3! Though I do have a 'Creative Zen' MP3 player, which is more than adiquate for walking around the shops.
Vinyl is a nicer sound to listen to as digital recording can't register the whole sound wave due to it's shape. But CD's can sound great. As long as the original recording has been mastered properly. Badly mastered recordings are all but unlistenable.
I still have most of my vinyl and play a lot of it regularly. The old days of buying an LP and going through the sleeve notes whilst giving it's first listen are much missed.
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: December 19 2008 at 17:56
1. CD 2. LP 3. MP3
I hate when LPs get all fuzzy and screwed up, they're not portable, and almost every LP I own I have rebought on CD.
I always buy CDs, but once I put them on my ipod, I hardly listen to the CD at all. However, I never buy MP3s at all. I hate that for the same price you can get a disc with a booklet, you just get the music that you'll get either way.
CD for me!
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Posted By: Progbeatz
Date Posted: September 10 2009 at 19:10
cds i guess
though i have a majority of mp3s...financial situation and what not...
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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: September 10 2009 at 19:16
For all practical listening purposes, I prefer CD. As was stated before, I can rip them all to my computer at a good MP3 bit rate, and have the hard copy to listen to. I'd like to get into LPs, and I like the sound, but I think CD is more than good enough for me, travel more easily, etc.
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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: September 10 2009 at 20:45
Well, Mystic Fred is a big supporter of Vinyl. I am not.
You can argue all day long on which sounds better, but it comes down to opinion. Vinyl doesn't sound 'better' than CD, nor does CD sound 'better' than Vinyl. They just sound 'different' from one another. They have their own distinct sound qualities.
And before I get blasted as not caring about quality, or being of an ignorant digital generation that doesn't understand this that and the other thing, allow me to say this: I own Vinyls. I listen to them. They are horrible to maintain. You have to have a good cartridge and needle, a good analogue turntable for manual adjustment, an area that won't be affected by any vibrations, special equipment for cleaning the discs to eliminate the crackles and pops, etc. Without all of those elements, Vinyls aren't going to live up to their potential sound-wise
For CDs, all you need is a player.
The plastic on CDs prevent the foil inside from degrating and corroding like Vinyl advocates claim they will, and, also contrary to pro-Vinyl, anti-CD buyers, Compact Discs are capable of capturing the same sound quality as Vinyls. How do I know this? Because I made a recording of one of my Beatles Vinyls (Abby Road), and put it onto Disc. I then played my CD recording up against the live Vinyl, and couldn't tell a bit of difference. So it isn't that the technology behins CDs is inferior or incapable of capturing the same sound quality; it's simply the fact that the physical Vinyl itself adds a certain extra quality to the music which many people prefer. As long as you can record a Vinyl onto a Compact Disc, that sound is retained in the digital recording just fine.
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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: September 10 2009 at 20:46
. . . oh, and . . . .MP3s are sh*t.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: September 10 2009 at 20:51
p0mt3 wrote:
. . . oh, and . . . .MP3s are sh*t.
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All depends on the rate that they are recorded in, my friend. Some others will be along later to jump all over you for saying that.
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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: September 10 2009 at 20:57
Slartibartfast wrote:
p0mt3 wrote:
. . . oh, and . . . .MP3s are sh*t.
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All depends on the rate that they are recorded in, my friend. Some others will be along later to jump all over you for saying that.
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I could care less that there are different levels of sh*ttiness. They're still sh*t.
The majority of the music I have on my Zune are lossless audio files.
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Posted By: SgtPepper67
Date Posted: September 10 2009 at 21:15
Definitely CDs. LPs are too big and can easily being ruined, get dirty or scratched, CDs instead don't damage so easily, or the damage usually doesn't make it sound bad. And well, mp3s are great for discovering new bands, listened to the albums before you decide to buy them, getting albums I would never get on cd or listen on the mp3s player wich is of course easier to carry on your pocket everywhere compared to a discman and a lot of cds, but it's just a compressed audio format, and there's no album artwork, it would never replace cds for me.
Edit: By the way, I totally forgot I already posted a few posts before ;)
SgtPepper67 wrote:
Definitely CD. I hate MP3s, even though they made a
lot of music more accessible, music that I would have never heard of
any other way. Besides the poor quality of the songs, I hate the fact
that albums are losing importance and they're making the music focus
just on single songs. I love listening to albums as a whole, not just
as a bunch of songs put together, I guess you know what I mean being
prog fans. But it seems to me that concept is being lost, people just
download their favourite hits from some bands and the listen to them on
random order.
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Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: September 10 2009 at 21:27
p0mt3 wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:
p0mt3 wrote:
. . . oh, and . . . .MP3s are sh*t.
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All depends on the rate that they are recorded in, my friend. Some others will be along later to jump all over you for saying that.
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I could care less that there are different levels of sh*ttiness. They're still sh*t.
The majority of the music I have on my Zune are lossless audio files.
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So I take it there's about 20 albums in your multi-gigabyte device, then?
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: September 10 2009 at 21:44
I'd just like to say that I'm perfectly content to take along copies of my cds on my little Zune just about anywhere and leave my hard copies safe (hopefully) at home. Is it lossless? No. Is the artwork there besides the cover, not likely at this time or anytime soon and I'd go blind trying to watch it all on a small screen anyway. Can I take my whole music collection (for the most part) anywhere and have access in a way that was never possible with cassettes, 8-tracks, etc.? Hell yes! Are typical MP3's (actually to be technically correct: digital music files) not of the same level of quality as some other media, particularly in the environments in which they are typically enjoyed? Of course.
But imagine if you will going to a gym. They play music you don't care for on their system. Even if you can't block out that crap totally at least you can ignore it much more easier. That is the beauty of portable players. Eh, probably my opening chapter in the now defunct book, How I Learned To Stop Worrying And Love The Zune, Uhm, Digital Music Player.
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Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: September 10 2009 at 21:49
Slartibartfast wrote:
But imagine if you will going to a gym. They play music you don't care for on their system. Even if you can't block out that crap totally at least you can ignore it much more easier. That is the beauty of portable players.
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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: September 10 2009 at 23:00
WalterDigsTunes wrote:
p0mt3 wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:
p0mt3 wrote:
. . . oh, and . . . .MP3s are sh*t.
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All depends on the rate that they are recorded in, my friend. Some others will be along later to jump all over you for saying that.
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I could care less that there are different levels of sh*ttiness. They're still sh*t.
The majority of the music I have on my Zune are lossless audio files.
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So I take it there's about 20 albums in your multi-gigabyte device, then?
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It's an 80gb Model.
I have 1347 Songs on there so far, and I've only used 20gb. And yes, they are all lossless.
Take THAT, smarty!
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: September 11 2009 at 01:21
p0mt3 wrote:
. . . oh, and . . . .MP3s are sh*t.
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They are *the sh*t*, my friend.
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Posted By: camilleanne
Date Posted: September 11 2009 at 08:04
MP3 for me.
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Posted By: Adams Bolero
Date Posted: September 11 2009 at 09:51
MP3s are my favourite; you can’t beat having an iPod close at hand full up with prog!
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: September 11 2009 at 12:17
^ or a Winamp library with all your albums readily available.
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Posted By: akamaisondufromage
Date Posted: September 12 2009 at 08:55
Slartibartfast wrote:
TartanTantrum wrote:
It has to be the LP. I am 50 now and was brought up with them. Besides, I can't read the sleeve notes on CDs anymore! |
I'm only 43 until March, but I don't care for the LP other than the large format covers.
I can't read the CD sleeve notes either.
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I like MP3 because it's convenient and poratable!
I like LPs cos the sound is the best (As long as you clean them properly) and I love the feel and packaging and the different colour vinyl etc
I have no thoughts about CD's other than they play music.
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Posted By: The Block
Date Posted: September 12 2009 at 09:04
mp3s may be great but cds can be turned into mp3s
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Posted By: SentimentalMercenary
Date Posted: September 12 2009 at 09:51
CDs all the way. MP3s should be illegal (ok i'm exagerating, but...). MP3s are slowly eroding the incentive artists had to produce music at professional sound quality level. The more demand there is for MP3s, the less demand there is for CDs, the less you are going to see bands investing in sound quality. This is a real issue imo.
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: September 12 2009 at 11:50
High bitrate MP3s sound exactly the same as CDs.
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Posted By: The Sleepwalker
Date Posted: September 12 2009 at 12:20
I voted CD's. I always buy an album on CD mainly because of the cover art etc. I do always rip the CD's and get them on my ipod, cause a CD isn't that entertaining when sitting in the bus without a CD player... I've never really experienced vinyl records. My parents uesed to have vinyls, but got rid of them a long time before I got really interested in music.
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: September 12 2009 at 19:26
I choose CD's - Hate the fact that MP3's cost nearly the same for nothing but data, and I don't like the fact that they're stuck on my PC/iPod until I burn them to discs.
I don't have a record player, although I'm considering saving up for one... Just not too excited about having to re-buy alot of my albums on LP...
So CD's, all round.
-Joel
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: September 13 2009 at 02:33
progkidjoel wrote:
I choose CD's - Hate the fact that MP3's cost nearly the same for nothing but data, and I don't like the fact that they're stuck on my PC/iPod until I burn them to discs.
I don't have a record player, although I'm considering saving up for one... Just not too excited about having to re-buy alot of my albums on LP...
So CD's, all round.
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data? Last time I checked, MP3s contained music ...
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: September 13 2009 at 02:46
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
progkidjoel wrote:
I choose CD's - Hate the fact that MP3's cost nearly the same for nothing but data, and I don't like the fact that they're stuck on my PC/iPod until I burn them to discs.
I don't have a record player, although I'm considering saving up for one... Just not too excited about having to re-buy alot of my albums on LP...
So CD's, all round.
-Joel | data? Last time I checked, MP3s contained music ... |
I know
What I meant what I prefer to pay for a physical product when it comes to music, opposed to something which I can't physically see.
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: September 13 2009 at 03:02
^ I know. But why is what you see more important than what you hear, when we're talking about music?
I think that 20 years from now CDs and vinyl LPs will be almost extinct, or at the very least CDs will join vinyl LPs in their role as obscure collectors' items. I don't think that by then we'll still be using MP3s, since file size will no longer matter then (we'll surely have terabytes of space on mobile players). My guess is that we'll purchase digital packages instead of CDs ... those packages will contain MP3s (for backward compatibility), high-def audio in various formats (stereo, 5.1, ...) and of course also the information we currently get as a paper booklet.
Personally, I'm looking forward to that ... I really care about the music much more than about the plastic case & disc.
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Posted By: The Sleepwalker
Date Posted: September 13 2009 at 05:24
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
^ I know. But why is what you see more important than what you hear, when we're talking about music?
I think that 20 years from now CDs and vinyl LPs will be almost extinct, or at the very least CDs will join vinyl LPs in their role as obscure collectors' items. I don't think that by then we'll still be using MP3s, since file size will no longer matter then (we'll surely have terabytes of space on mobile players). My guess is that we'll purchase digital packages instead of CDs ... those packages will contain MP3s (for backward compatibility), high-def audio in various formats (stereo, 5.1, ...) and of course also the information we currently get as a paper booklet.
Personally, I'm looking forward to that ... I really care about the music much more than about the plastic case & disc.
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I think that's a pretty interesting thing. For me, the experience of an album without the artwork is not complete. The artwork (nearly always) fits in with the mood of the album and what the band wants to express with the music. The artwork creates a certain "image", which makes the music on the album more complete and clear to me.
IMO the artwork and booklet also make much more sense when being paper, instead of a digital thing. Touching the artwork/booklet is more... intimate (if that's the right word to describe it) than staring at a digital file.
I'm not really sure about the extinction of CD's and LP's in 20 years. Most people will probably download digital files, I do agree with you about that... but quite recently in The Netherlands it seemed LP's have been growing in sales. Even big (mainstream) record stores suddenly started selling LP's.
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Posted By: ten years after
Date Posted: September 13 2009 at 07:23
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
^ I know. But why is what you see more important than what you hear, when we're talking about music?
I think that 20 years from now CDs and vinyl LPs will be almost extinct, or at the very least CDs will join vinyl LPs in their role as obscure collectors' items. I don't think that by then we'll still be using MP3s, since file size will no longer matter then (we'll surely have terabytes of space on mobile players). My guess is that we'll purchase digital packages instead of CDs ... those packages will contain MP3s (for backward compatibility), high-def audio in various formats (stereo, 5.1, ...) and of course also the information we currently get as a paper booklet.
Personally, I'm looking forward to that ... I really care about the music much more than about the plastic case & disc.
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I think you are right although I doubt it will take as long as 20 years. It's hard to argue against it being the best way of packaging music and for kids growing up now it will be great.
For me, i have enough nostalgia to want to own CDs as the next best thing to the vinyl I grew up with.
Maybe this is the voice of an older generation but i feel that the harder it is to acquire something the more its possession is appreciated.
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Posted By: Anirml
Date Posted: September 13 2009 at 07:25
If just CD's had vinyl size ! The small artwork on CD's is just way to small! I want something I have to use two hands to hold
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Posted By: JD
Date Posted: September 13 2009 at 08:28
So many things to consider. Each has it's benefits/detriments. For me I hate the sound of MP3's although I love the convenience of the simple portable technology. I love the sound of vinyl, but I hate the surface noise that interferes with the listening of the music. I like CD's because at least have some sort of packaging even if it's downscaled from vinyl.
My god...my head hurts.
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Posted By: J-Man
Date Posted: September 13 2009 at 08:32
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
^ I know. But why is what you see more important than what you hear, when we're talking about music?
I think that 20 years from now CDs and vinyl LPs will be almost extinct, or at the very least CDs will join vinyl LPs in their role as obscure collectors' items. I don't think that by then we'll still be using MP3s, since file size will no longer matter then (we'll surely have terabytes of space on mobile players). My guess is that we'll purchase digital packages instead of CDs ... those packages will contain MP3s (for backward compatibility), high-def audio in various formats (stereo, 5.1, ...) and of course also the information we currently get as a paper booklet.
Personally, I'm looking forward to that ... I really care about the music much more than about the plastic case & disc.
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That's not what Joel means. Of course the music is more important than the packaging! What he means is why would you pay the same price for just the music, when you can get that in addition to a case with artwork and a booklet.
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Posted By: Mr ProgFreak
Date Posted: September 13 2009 at 10:35
^ well, he says that MP3s cost "nearly the same" as CDs, but that's not what I see in online stores. Sure, you might come across a CD that is reduced in price and then costs less than the MP3s, but generally MP3s cost only about 2/3 of the price of the CD. And if you include eMusic and Amazon MP3 in the consideration you can make that 1/2, and that's something which I am more than happy with.
So I agree with you and Joel that you should not have to pay the same for MP3s as for CDs, but usually there is a noticeable price difference.
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Posted By: geddyx12112
Date Posted: September 13 2009 at 17:24
LP has the best sound in my opinion but CD's are more convenient, and can be converted to mp3's... so as for mp3's, well they have nothing because they sound the worst and aren't as convenient as CD and don't have any presentation like the LP and CD
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Posted By: JLocke
Date Posted: September 13 2009 at 19:12
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
^ I know. But why is what you see more important than what you hear, when we're talking about music?
I think that 20 years from now CDs and vinyl LPs will be almost extinct, or at the very least CDs will join vinyl LPs in their role as obscure collectors' items. I don't think that by then we'll still be using MP3s, since file size will no longer matter then (we'll surely have terabytes of space on mobile players). My guess is that we'll purchase digital packages instead of CDs ... those packages will contain MP3s (for backward compatibility), high-def audio in various formats (stereo, 5.1, ...) and of course also the information we currently get as a paper booklet.
Personally, I'm looking forward to that ... I really care about the music much more than about the plastic case & disc.
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I'm all for that, really. As long as I can still have a physical package to have in my hands for the artwork as an option, the concept of all digital information is fine by me; it ensures that the music will never leave me, and no discs of any kind will risk corroding.
I'm still a sucker for pretty, physical art, though. Hopefully you get what I'm saying, haha.
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Posted By: valravennz
Date Posted: September 13 2009 at 19:35
CD's are great because they can be turned into MP3s, as mentioned above. I miss the LP format, something very special about listening to all the crackles and hissing
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Posted By: progkidjoel
Date Posted: September 14 2009 at 01:37
J-Man wrote:
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
^ I know. But why is what you see more important than what you hear, when we're talking about music?I think that 20 years from now CDs and vinyl LPs will be almost extinct, or at the very least CDs will join vinyl LPs in their role as obscure collectors' items. I don't think that by then we'll still be using MP3s, since file size will no longer matter then (we'll surely have terabytes of space on mobile players). My guess is that we'll purchase digital packages instead of CDs ... those packages will contain MP3s (for backward compatibility), high-def audio in various formats (stereo, 5.1, ...) and of course also the information we currently get as a paper booklet.Personally, I'm looking forward to that ... I really care about the music much more than about the plastic case & disc.
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Correct - I didn't mean it was the music, I meant that when I'm paying only a dollar or two more for the case, the CD and the Artwork, I don't see why I'd settle for less.
Also, I enjoy having to wait for an album in the mail... It builds my anticipation, and I really enjoy it once it arrives
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Posted By: WalterDigsTunes
Date Posted: September 14 2009 at 01:50
Mr ProgFreak wrote:
^ I know. But why is what you see more important than what you hear, when we're talking about music?
I think that 20 years from now CDs and vinyl LPs will be almost extinct, or at the very least CDs will join vinyl LPs in their role as obscure collectors' items. I don't think that by then we'll still be using MP3s, since file size will no longer matter then (we'll surely have terabytes of space on mobile players). My guess is that we'll purchase digital packages instead of CDs ... those packages will contain MP3s (for backward compatibility), high-def audio in various formats (stereo, 5.1, ...) and of course also the information we currently get as a paper booklet.
Personally, I'm looking forward to that ... I really care about the music much more than about the plastic case & disc.
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Two words: Resale value.
A few bucks spent on crappy mp3s equal money down the drain. A few bucks spent on a crappy CD can turn into money you can get back and then use to get more music.
I rue the day in which a non-tangible waste of cash will be the principal form of music.
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