PA's Battle to Stardom D2: Rush v. Gentle Giant
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Topic: PA's Battle to Stardom D2: Rush v. Gentle Giant
Posted By: MovingPictures07
Subject: PA's Battle to Stardom D2: Rush v. Gentle Giant
Date Posted: November 26 2008 at 11:45
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The second match of the final 4! This should prove to be interesting.
Please: If you are not familiar with one or both of the band's material, I urge
that you use the links provided and at least listen to the samples on
their respective pages (or Youtube if the particular band has no online
streaming).
Rush's PA page: http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=609 - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=609 Gentle Giant's PA page: http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=118 - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=118 ../artist.asp?id=343 - As always, discussions are encouraged. Recap: Semi-finals D1: D1: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=53562&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=53562&PN=1 Round 3 C1: C2: C3: Rush v. C4: C1: forum_posts.asp?TID=53258 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=53258 C2: forum_posts.asp?TID=53336&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=53336&PN=1 C3: forum_posts.asp?TID=53399&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=53399&PN=1 C4: forum_posts.asp?TID=53480&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=53480&PN=1 Round 2 B1: B2: Emerson, Lake and Palmer v. B3: B4: Van der Graaf Generator v. B5: Rush v. B6: B7: Le Orme v. B8: B1: forum_posts.asp?TID=52648&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52648&PN=1 B2: forum_posts.asp?TID=52714 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52714 B3: forum_posts.asp?TID=52795 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52795 B4: forum_posts.asp?TID=52869 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52869 B5: forum_posts.asp?TID=52956&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52956&PN=1 B6: forum_posts.asp?TID=53056&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=53056&PN=1 B7: forum_posts.asp?TID=53114&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=53114&PN=1 B8: forum_posts.asp?TID=53181&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=53181&PN=1 Round 1 A1: A2: A3: Emerson, Lake and Palmer v. A4: A5: Can v. A6: A7: Van der Graaf Generator v. A8: Samla Mammas Manna v. A9: Rush v. A10: A11: Henry Cow v. A12: A13: A14: A15: A16: Gentle Giant v. A1: forum_posts.asp?TID=51423&PN=2 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51423&PN=2 A2: forum_posts.asp?TID=51492&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51492&PN=1 A3: forum_posts.asp?TID=51567&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51567&PN=1 A4: forum_posts.asp?TID=51630&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51630&PN=1 A5: forum_posts.asp?TID=51711&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51711&PN=1 A6: forum_posts.asp?TID=51778 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51778 A7: forum_posts.asp?TID=51855 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51855 A8: forum_posts.asp?TID=51928&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51928&PN=1 A9: forum_posts.asp?TID=52011 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52011 A10: forum_posts.asp?TID=52091 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52091 A11: forum_posts.asp?TID=52158&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52158&PN=1 A12: forum_posts.asp?TID=52246 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52246 A13: forum_posts.asp?TID=52336 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52336 A14: forum_posts.asp?TID=52411&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52411&PN=1 A15: forum_posts.asp?TID=52487&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52487&PN=1 A16: forum_posts.asp?TID=52571 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52571 ------------- 
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Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: November 26 2008 at 11:46
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Yeah. 1st Vote in for Rush!!!! ------------- 
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: November 26 2008 at 11:46
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GO RUSH!!!! -------------
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: November 26 2008 at 11:47
Not another Rush poll!  
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Posted By: MrEdifus
Date Posted: November 26 2008 at 11:49
Don't worry, this one's official! The rest aren't as good as this one. ------------- 
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Epignosis wrote:Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: November 26 2008 at 11:49
Indeed. This has a reason to it. Unlike all those other ones.  -------------
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Posted By: MrEdifus
Date Posted: November 26 2008 at 11:50
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GO RUSH! GO RUSH! GO RUSH! -------------
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Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: November 26 2008 at 12:10
| Do I really need to say where my vote went to? |
Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: November 26 2008 at 12:12
| Gentle Giant. |
Posted By: LiquidEternity
Date Posted: November 26 2008 at 12:17
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Gentle Giant. They are just a thousand times better. More creative, more talented, and less obnoxious on the vocals. Rush is great, but they never wrote Knots.
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Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: November 26 2008 at 12:20
And Knots isn't obnoxious on the vocals? 
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Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: November 26 2008 at 12:24
| Rush at the moment. I bet it's because i havn't listened to Gentle Giant in a while, and have forgotten just how awesome they are. |
Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: November 26 2008 at 12:37
Nope, it's excellent  Gentle Giant for me, although I doubt this will be an eclectic final. Hopefully VDGG will slaughter Rush  ------------- "Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value." Arnold Schoenberg |
Posted By: Visitor13
Date Posted: November 26 2008 at 12:46
'Knots' is one of the last songs I'd use to prove GG's superiority over Rush. It may be a complex song, but I find it really unexciting. Overall though the trio of Octopus-Glass House-Power & Glory settle this in GG's favour comfortably. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: November 26 2008 at 12:54
| I'd expected that this might come down to VdGG vs. GG, but the Rushfan force is strong. I like Rush considerably, and there was a time when I was in my early teens that Hemispheres and Fragile were my pillars of Prog. I only discovered Gentle Giant a few years ago, and it was my favourite band. Over the last couple of years my GG interest has waned considerably ('twas my favourite band when I joined ProgArchives), but I still think GG is very good. Acquiring the Taste, in particular, I loved, but then I loved GG's first eight studio albums (and Playing the Fool, of course), but thought GG's final three albums abhorrent. I vote for GG. The musicians are more versatile, there is greater variety in the music, interesting twists, the music is tight, there's good jazzy qualities, plus there's the academic music influence. GG is more fun for me, and beautiful for me, and importantly for me, the music is much quirkier, and I like quirky music. Goes back to listen to one of my favourite GG tracks; it's off In a Glass House -- "Way of Life." Next stop "The Moon is Down" (my traditional favourite GG track). These polls are good for revisiting music. |
Posted By: Anguiad
Date Posted: November 26 2008 at 13:06
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Damn this is perhaps the worse thing about this poll, not knowing so much about the other band so the vote goes to the one you are already familiar. But I know someday I'll get into GG, 'cause they are also one of the titan bands. Let this be a good and fair match!  ------------- "Tis your birth and faith that wrong you...not I." |
Posted By: LiquidEternity
Date Posted: November 26 2008 at 13:09
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Aw, I love Knots. Oh well. Maybe the song In a Glass House is a better example of why they are far more exciting as a band than Rush. Plus, if you look at the ratio of good albums to lame ones, Gentle Giant has 8:3, while Rush has 5:13. In my opinion. -------------
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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: November 26 2008 at 13:18
And it still works. ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow">  https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: RaphaelT
Date Posted: November 26 2008 at 13:24
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GG - just for Three Friends ------------- yet you still have time! |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: November 26 2008 at 13:26
| I enjoy "Knots", but it sounds too forced to me in its construction. I prefer "On Reflection", "Design" (despite it being rather forced by design), and others. If I were to (generally) recommend two must-hear GG songs, they would be the related ones, "Pantagruel's Nativity" and "Advent of Panurge". The tracks the got me into GG were "Free Hand" and "In a Glass House" (which I acquired before getting any GG albums). |
Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: November 26 2008 at 13:31
heh. For me it's 19:0, but that's why I'm a fanboy. GG have about 4:the rest, but that's a big IMO |
Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: November 26 2008 at 13:37
For me: Rush- 19:0 Gentle Giant- 9:2  -------------
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Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: November 26 2008 at 13:38
| GG. I love those guys. |
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: November 26 2008 at 13:58
Agh! As much as I hate to vote against Rush, I gotta go with GG. If the vote continues this way, it looks like it will be my 2nd and 3rd favorite bands going toe to toe. It will be even harder for me next round to vote against GG.  ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: November 26 2008 at 14:03
who says GG will win this one? |
Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: November 26 2008 at 14:15
GO RUSH!!!!  -------------
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Posted By: glass house
Date Posted: November 26 2008 at 14:23
| GG. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: November 26 2008 at 14:50
Indeed, Rush be gone. |
Posted By: TGM: Orb
Date Posted: November 26 2008 at 14:59
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Woah, GG winning. Voted for them, but that was basically a reflex. |
Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: November 26 2008 at 15:09
Go Pantagruel offsprings!!!!
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Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: November 26 2008 at 15:10
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I like Rush a lot, but I love GG afer just not getting them for years. So GG get my vote. GG have just got to win the whole thing. I'd have to leave if VDbloodyGG won. They belong with The Arctic Monkeys and Oasis in my ratings - ie crap! ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: November 26 2008 at 15:13
Happy Trails.  ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: horsewithteeth11
Date Posted: November 26 2008 at 15:18
Yes, you do.  ------------- 
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Posted By: horsewithteeth11
Date Posted: November 26 2008 at 15:19
This. -------------
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Posted By: horsewithteeth11
Date Posted: November 26 2008 at 15:20
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Also, I'm just going to assume that people know who I voted for.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: November 26 2008 at 15:35
I got into GG and VdGG pretty much immediately with the first tracks I heard from both ("Free Hand" and "House with no Door"). GG presented no problems with me (my first album was Acquiring the Taste and it was love at first listen). That said, Hammill's histrionics grated on me (as I liked to put it, Hammill's hammy vocals made me rather ill), but there was still much for me love about VdGG and I grew to appreciate his "histrionics" (sorry to any for pejorative term) rather more (he has beautiful voice when he's not hamming it up). I like VdGG a great deal (was really solidified when I got Godbluff, though my first VdGG album, H to He..., I liked a great deal). If GG took you years to appreciate, perhaps VdGG would take you more years to appreciate. |
Posted By: splyu
Date Posted: November 26 2008 at 16:05
| Absolutely Rush! GG isn't exactly bad. Really good in fact, they just don't really do it for me personally. |
Posted By: Prof.
Date Posted: November 26 2008 at 16:23
Well I voted for Rush, who did you vote for? |
Posted By: Hercules
Date Posted: November 26 2008 at 16:25
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"If GG took you years to appreciate, perhaps VdGG would take you more years to appreciate." I've tried for 37 years and I think if I was going to get them, I would have by now. I HATE Hamill's appalling vocals, don't really get the sax playing and I can't understand the silly, dark compositions. I do like Hugh Banton's organ playing, though. Strangely in my 3 years at Cambridge in the early 70s, my large circle of friends had albums by, and were fans of, virtually every prog band - except VDGG. Noone liked them at all. How a band that is so 4th rate (and had very, very low album sales as well in Britain - they sold 90% of their albums in Italy) are the darlings of so many, baffles me. I used to hate Strawbs as well as GG; now they are also in my list of favourites. ------------- A TVR is not a car. It's a way of life. |
Posted By: zachfive
Date Posted: November 26 2008 at 16:44
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Both are great bands. Rush got my vote. And I feel bad for Hercules for not being able to enjoy Hammill's vocals as much as the rest of us. And as for the comment about low record sales, well, Hammill will agree that it's more about his music rather than his level of fame or recognition. I heard him on NPR recently and he was talking about this very thing, how upset he is that he is being compared to Elp and Yes soley because his music is labeled as progressive rock. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: November 26 2008 at 16:47
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Rush kicks ass.... but GG did bettter prog..
------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: November 26 2008 at 17:32
Thanks for the response. Understood, and you have my understanding and sympathies. I had expected that you would've heard it many years ago, knowing that you've been into progressive rock since its early days. VdGG has attained cult status (maybe it did then)? As progressive rock has experienced something of a revival in interest, more Proggers have discovered VdGG (I suppose that it's more highly regarding in so-called progressive rock circles than during Prog's heyday). It seems that top bands of the time such as ELP (particulalry ELP) have fallen in favour whilst other classic groups are now more highly regarded by those in the Prog circle. Many ones of the late 60's and 70's that I find fabulous were hardly known at the time (some/ many are still largely unknown by the majority of Proggers). The bigger names had/ have more mainstream/ commercial appeal, and so much bigger sales, but this is not a representative music community as we are, generally, made up of pretty hardcore proggers who have been exposed toa great deal of Prog music (not just the big names). Of course you've said the same of your friends (they probably knew more than most here), so the argument falls flat when it comes to them, but not to overall record sales. I guess it partially depends how mainstream Prog your friends tastes were (VdGG might be thought of as more Art Rock than Prog), plus we have accepted so much music into the fold that perhaps VdGG would generally be more acceptible to Prog ears now (perhaps VdGG was even ahead of its time). Were they also listening to music such as Magma (or more avant-oriented bands)? |
Posted By: Sckxyss
Date Posted: November 26 2008 at 17:37
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Whoa, GG's winning.. there's hope for the polls section after all
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Posted By: A Person
Date Posted: November 26 2008 at 19:18
| If GG wins I'll have a hard time choosing between VdGG and them. I voted for GG, although I do like Rush. |
Posted By: AlexUC
Date Posted: November 26 2008 at 19:27
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I must confess I'm really glad to see GG winning by a considerable amount of votes. Could never got into Rush, not even a little bit. On the opposite way, GG has been one of my all time favorites (though I always had the feeling that none of their albums are flawless IMO) However, considering the mastery on counterpoint, great vocalization, odd arrangements, tireless experimentation and that ultra disquieting rhythms, I'm more than pleased to vote for GG. ------------- This is not my beautiful house... |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 26 2008 at 19:46
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the winner is Giant but I do love Rush's '78 thru '82 period |
Posted By: Bern
Date Posted: November 26 2008 at 19:50
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Woah, really didn't expect Rush to lose. First time on Progarchives since I've put them up against Everything else. -------------  
RIP in bossa nova heaven. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: November 26 2008 at 20:52
Yeah, since you did that Nov. 21 poll, but of course just a couple of days before Pink Floyd walloped Rush.
And a week before that in the Rush/ Beatles battle, The Beatles beatled Rush.
I wouldn't expect that Rush would stand much of chance against Yes, Genesis, or Crimson, but I would have thought that it would have fared considerably better against Gentle Giant (though I'd peg GG to win). I wonder how Rush would fare against Jethro Tull? I think Tull would take it. |
[64.10%]Posted By: Astrodomine
Date Posted: November 26 2008 at 21:08
| Gentle Giant by miles and miles! |
Posted By: obiter
Date Posted: November 26 2008 at 22:16
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This is a chalk and cheese comparison Knots, Proclamation, Advent of the Panurge, Free Hand .... all awesome & better in their way but Rush are a band that have not only excelled at certain times but have grown and re-invented, adapted: Fly By Night/Caress of Steel, 2112 (not a favourite) to Farewell to Kings/Hemispheres/Moving Picture/ESL to Signals/Grace Under Pressure/Hold Your Fire my vote is reluctantly Rush ------------- An té nach mbíonn láidir ní folláir dó bheith glic |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: November 27 2008 at 05:02
| Of these two: Gentle Giant., but both bands had a period in which they produced great albums. |
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: November 27 2008 at 05:19
The majority apparently.
Sorry. I couldn't resist. ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: November 27 2008 at 05:44
And more miles! ------------- 
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Posted By: Roj
Date Posted: November 27 2008 at 07:53
| I'm surprised Rush are losing this so badly. A further vote for them from me, but I can't see the result changing. |
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: November 27 2008 at 11:00
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Gentle Giant without a shadow of a doubt!
Mind all you Rush fanboiz that I really dig Rush though!
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Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: November 27 2008 at 11:44
*sees score* Holy crap! it was a lot closer when I said that  |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: November 27 2008 at 16:33
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Wha? Rush loosing? It seems the Rush Poll OVERDOSE, made quite sick a lot guys so they had to vote against their fave Rush. I enjoy both quite equally. They're great bands, but 2 different styles. Three Friends, Octopus, In a Glass House and Free Hand VS Caress of Steel, Fly by Night, 2112 and Farewell to Kings. Depends on what I want really, Heavy Rocking stuff, or thinking stuff. I'm in a Heavy Rock mood, so I'll go for Rush, but it could have been GG any other time. |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: November 27 2008 at 18:40
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since I am not a great fan of Rush my vote is clear. I actually don't quite understand all the fuss about Rush. certainly good musicianship, but lacking originality, in my opinion. they are definitely not the überband their fans make of them, and this includes musicianship. by this last remark I don 't want to belittle the musicianship of Rush, but there are many many bands in which the musicianship is on an equal level. and that's the truth and nothing but the truth. of course you may still personally prefer the style of the musicians of Rush, but the way the Rush fanboyism is sometimes exercised here is quite disrespectful towards other musicians. the only explanation I have for Rush being regarded as this überband is that for many people, especially from the American continent, Rush seem to be the band to introduce them to prog. this was not true for me though, although I am from that continent too, but I grew up with prog, and I had heard lots of other prog before I came into contact with them since my parents were big proggers, though the name "prog" did not exist back then, and my parents would probably just have called the music "music to do drugs to" (they were hippies) and would have included a lot of bands which we only regard as prog-related or not related at all. I was 4 or 5 when the first Rush album came out and had heard lots of other stuff before; there was always some kind of music playing in our house, including classical music and jazz -------------  A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: crimson87
Date Posted: November 27 2008 at 18:52
My thoughts
Anyway , since ELP lost I don't have much interest in the tournament.
So... GG vs VDGG in the final , that was unespected.
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Posted By: AlexUC
Date Posted: November 27 2008 at 19:57
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Posted By: splyu
Date Posted: November 27 2008 at 20:36
Well, this isn't true for me. I knew Genesis, Mike Oldfield, Jethro Tull, Marillion, Yes, Dream Theater and a few others which probably include King Crimson before Rush, but Rush is still in my top 3. I have to say though that they grew on me slowly; I liked them from the beginning but it took several years until I started holding them in such high regard. Why do I like them? Such energetic music and so positive at the same time - sadly a rare combination; outstanding compositions; the fact that they come across as great guys with a lot of charisma and a great attitude towards their profession; and yes, musicianship, the precision and economy with which they create their sound. Also great production, and great lyrics. Geddy Lee is also my favourite vocalist, and that's from someone who has a bit of a problem with 98% of male vocals. And last but not least, I love how economically, yet effectively they incorporated synthesizers into their music in the 70s and early 80s. Oh yeah, and while I'm a slightly bigger fan of the albums up to Signals, Power Windows and Hold Your Fire are, to me, among the quintessential albums that sum up what 80s music was all about. And they still produce great music, too! Snakes & Arrows is simply splendid. |
Posted By: JROCHA
Date Posted: November 27 2008 at 20:55
| Gentle Giant is a band i enjoy, but my vote goes to Rush. To me Rush is just overall better and they have been making great albums for 30 some years now. GG is way more progressive but Rush did way more with their music. Hell, their music has survived over 3 decades. |
Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: November 27 2008 at 21:01
| It's nice to see GG doing so well. They seem to get overlooked a lot. |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: November 27 2008 at 21:36
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Can't remember if I posted in here yet haha. I voted Rush anyway. ------------- 
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Posted By: TGM: Orb
Date Posted: November 28 2008 at 16:45
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Is it just me, or did Rush just get dominated by Gentle Giant. I'm surprised. Probably could have voted for Rush in this one. Gentle Giant are very good and pretty consistent, but they didn't do Caress Of Steel. Ah well, Schooldays  Not one regret. |
Posted By: Drew
Date Posted: November 28 2008 at 16:47
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A band that I absolutely DETEST got beat by my favorite band- Oh well.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: November 28 2008 at 16:56
Sounds better than if a band you absolutely ADORE was beaten by your least favourite band. |
Posted By: AlexUC
Date Posted: November 28 2008 at 17:04
It's strange for me... Rush got stuck on 40... I thought they would be 300 at least  ------------- This is not my beautiful house... |
Posted By: alerxst
Date Posted: December 14 2008 at 12:39
| My vote went to Rush. A lot of that has to do with the fact that I've listened to their more of their stuff more often that I have with Gentle Giant. Rush has varied their music so much over the years yet managed to retain their sound for 90% of their albums. I've only listened to a few GG albums (Three Friends, Acquiring the Taste and Octopus) and one of these days I'll invest more time to such a deserving band. |
Posted By: poslednijat_colobar
Date Posted: March 15 2009 at 14:36
| Two hands for GG! |