YES? I think not
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Topic: YES? I think not
Posted By: Pussy Galore
Subject: YES? I think not
Date Posted: November 07 2008 at 16:59
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: November 07 2008 at 17:36
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I don't know, Pussy Galore (and welcome by the way). Just because different people in the same band have a different assessment of the same situation doesn't count as discreditably. Besides, as much I think Anderson should be touring with Yes (and not someone else touring with "In The Present"), it gives the band (or 3/5 of it) an opportunity to play songs Jon Anderson and Rick Wakeman wouldn't do. Jon Anderson does seem positive about the future, however. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: November 07 2008 at 17:41
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hahahha.. that band is just like PA's... a big f'ing soap opera. and second the welcome... don't mind if I just call you Pussy... we are an informal group here. just waiting for you to have a discussion with our resident Jazz-Rock expert.. that would be priceless. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: November 07 2008 at 17:46
Technically they shouldn't have been called Yes since Peter Banks got fired from the band. 
While I do think Jon Anderson was the heart and soul of the band for their classic period and for much of their later albums, remember that for awhile, there was Trevor Horn and then Trevor Rabin, who, for good or bad, also left their mark on the band. Yes has always been about the group and never really about individuals. They've had so many lineup changes, how could it be otherwise. And, they're not touring as Yes, as much as they have a right to. That says something about Squire and Howe, that may not be as negative as you say. ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: febus
Date Posted: November 07 2008 at 18:18
Welcome to PA, Pussy Galore
I understand your point, the long time friendship that should not be broken, taking care of each other but we should understand like everything else YES is not only about making nice music, but also a business, a brand and needs to be run such as one....
There are bills for everybody to pay each month, children to raise.....grand children should i say now
 and a brand that need to be commercialized on a regular basis ( tours, new album, compilation box set, DVds, you name it) in order to stay relevant.Now the internal politics between each member of the band , we really don't know!! Does Jon Anderson want really tour next year??/ maybe Squire and Howe didn't get this feeling! who knows!!
Also the funny thing is to see Howe and Squire together as if you remember they didn't seem to talk each other from The Ladder time to Magnification...just check the interaction between both of them on DVDs recorded at this time>
You mention greed....Hummmm1 i am not that sure of that as IN THE PRESENT won't fill up any stadium , not even arenas.If they get 3-5000 people, will be a great success imo!!..So for me , it's more about keeping the brand actual and relevant!
My 2 cents!
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Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: November 07 2008 at 18:57
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I saw some footage of their very recent live gigs with Benoit......nope not for me, but......they were enjoying themselves and young Wakeman impressed. Check out Yesworld. ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: November 07 2008 at 20:43
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Nothing like a rich person doing something just for the money. Maybe Howe & Squire wanted to play. Letting the management take care of "interpersonal" relations is not uncommon for bands that have been together for a while. The tour was set, then Jon couldn't make it. Steve & Chris thought, hey we still wanna go. Let's get a new singer; we've got one of our drummers on board. And hey eventually, bending to fans' reactions, they changed the name of the band to "In the Present" to distinguish it from the "real" Yes. One member does not a band make, unless you're Robert Fripp. And getting worked up over the world of revolving door membership bands will take up a lot of your time. Enjoy it for what it was supposed to be - many original & important band members that wanted to get out, hit a glitch, fixed it, let fans know some of the differences to expect because of the change, and then allow the fans to decide. Of course, I could be wrong. It could be that Squire and Howe were planning to force people to buy tickets, eh. ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: el böthy
Date Posted: November 10 2008 at 17:20
I guess we´ll never know ------------- "You want me to play what, Robert?" 
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debrewguy wrote:Posted By: Bitterblogger
Date Posted: November 10 2008 at 17:32
| Pussy G, as much as I support your passion, and definitely wish to see Jon perform, remember, this band has bickered for years about all sorts of musical and personnel issues (as have most that have lasted a long time, I suspect), and it's, IMO, a case of opportunity to tour, keep the brand prominent, etc. vs. the nebulous timetable of when Jon will be ready while Circa, the Squire/Hackett project, and Remedy all cool their collective heels. Each side has merit, I think. |
Posted By: meurglys0
Date Posted: November 11 2008 at 18:10
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One might as well disagree with your assertion that Jon Anderson was
the soul of the group. If you compare Jon's solo albums with Chris
Squire's one and only solo album - which in my opinion is a masterpiece
- you may find more of Yes in Squire's than in Jon's. The thick roar of
his rickenbecker bass which he uses as if it was a rhythm guitar is the
first thing that comes to my mind when I think of Yes. In my humble
opinion, this idea becomes almost inescapable after hearing the Rhino
remasters which did strengthen the bass guitar's contribution to the
their music. The title "Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman
& Howe" indicated strongly that Squire's absence meant the
mentioned group was not Yes, but something else - even if it was just a
name adapted to avoid legal complications... On each album Howe's presence - most especially on Tales album - is so strong that sometimes you start to believe Howe is the main man. Wakeman's entrance with Fragile changes Yes so overwhelmingly, - and his absence, too, from Tales album for instance - that he might as well be the core of Yes, at least on the albums he contributed. After hearing Moraz's performance on Relayer - which is my favorite - I was so impressed that I had to find and listen to his solo albums - which are a disappointment as of yet; however he is also marvellous on Squire's solo album Fish Out Of Water... So what I'm trying to say is that although Jon Anderson is one of the most imitated vocals in the history of progressive rock - and I honestly belive this is rightfully so - and that his voice and vision etc... contributed so much to whatever Yes was and is, other members' contribution to it might even be bigger. No one really can say. Same thing I said for ABWH; they named the band In The Present anyway; which could mean Yes members minus Anderson is not Yes. Plus, Yes has always been changing personel for each album, and some line-ups re-grouped again for anther album or more. Only Jon Anderson was ever-present. Maybe it's not a crime that it's the other members who gathered to make an album without one of the members, who happens to be Jon this time. Finding an Anderson clone is another matter, though. Even if they left him out, I wish they had found a completely different voice instead. Regards to all. |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: November 11 2008 at 18:24
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Welcome! ...for the subject, even if I respect your fanboyism(girlism actually) which is not a bad thing at all, I'm not quite interested in "personal" matters of Yes as a band, of course helpful info/data is useful and I'm always welcome for it. But this time, it seems you want Chris and Steve look bad, and even if they were, they're human beings and make mistakes.
Of course, it has been something disrespectful, but not sure if ALL the "story" is there in the hyperlinks, there's surely something missing, anyways that's really not the point.... Oh, by the way, I disagree in that Jon was the "soul of the group". He may have apported quite a lot, but Chris Squire and Steve should be as much as credited as him, and maybe even more. Just my 2 cents... |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: November 12 2008 at 03:08
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Welcome, miss Galore (I'm the gentleman type of guy). I think communication never was the best part of this band. Well, they're only human, and let's hope the air is being cleared again in a short time. Let's also hope for some good musical performances in the mean time! |
Posted By: peskypesky
Date Posted: November 13 2008 at 21:33
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I have lost ALL respect for Chris Squire and Steve Howe as people. They are rotten to the core and disgust me. ------------- Prog fan since 1974. |
Posted By: russellk
Date Posted: November 14 2008 at 00:40
I'm presuming you're a close family friend, or married to one or both of them, to be so certain. You wouldn't be relying on media reports, would you? |
Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: November 14 2008 at 01:17
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Are you guys (Hello Pussy!) for real, you actually believe these guys adored each other for 40 years without the slightest spat, insult or row, who are you kidding? Good morning reality. Imagine being married to 5 people , darn just one is hard enough. Plus these guys have egos that are beyong being "Close to the Edge " , more like the apltly titled "Drama" . Who are we to criticize , Yes started out and thrived as a "Business" which explains a long series or rather poor albums . Unless you sleep with someone (and even then) , you never really know anyone , now do you? ------------- I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth. |
Posted By: Scratchy
Date Posted: November 14 2008 at 09:31
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You must remember that Howe/Squire are well into their sixties now.They probably realise their performing life is nearing the end now.Anderson's illness has probably brought this more into focus.I hope Jon still keeps creating music - he doesn't necessarily need any other of the member's of Yes to still make good music.Perhaps his touring days are over now though???Although I still believe an occasional reunion with the group would seem possible.
I am not particularly interested in watching this new incarnation of the group however ( I have seen the group on numerous occations in the past).I realise however that there are still alot of people have not had the privilage to see Howe & Squire perform live - I would not personally want to deny anyone that - 2 of the most creative rock musicians the world has ever seen.It is possible that the younger elemens of this reincarnation will be inspire new creativeness in their future musical careers.All I hope is that this tour's main concerns are commercial (i.e. overcoming financial commitment already made - compensation that would have to be made for cancelling the tour).
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Posted By: Isengard
Date Posted: November 14 2008 at 11:19
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I wonder what Trevor Horn is up do these days? He'd be the best temporary replacement, although that might have infuriated Anderson further. This was handled very badly by Yes management, Howe, and/or Squire. I missed Anderson's message on his website that reportedly was quite nasty regarding this snub.
Good luck to Jon and I hope he gets well soon and is able to return to reform a proper Yes ensemble.
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Posted By: poslednijat_colobar
Date Posted: November 17 2008 at 04:48
| Don't regret guys!I think Jon will come back,but the 40th anniversary have to be celebrated. |
Posted By: Chicapah
Date Posted: November 17 2008 at 12:51
Good grief. On the Fox website there's a video of Chris and Alan with the replacement singer performing "Owner of a Lonely Heart" on something called the Huckabee show. No keys,either. It's embarrassing, to say the least and far, far beneath their stature. I couldn't even get through half of it. The horror. The horror...  ------------- "Literature is well enough, as a time-passer, and for the improvement and general elevation and purification of mankind, but it has no practical value" - Mark Twain |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: November 17 2008 at 18:23
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We don't need yet another htread opned on this topic. Since the "discussion" has moved to the new thread, I'm closing this one.
http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=53393 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=53393 ------------- What? |