PA's Battle to Stardom B4: VDGG v. Samla
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Topic: PA's Battle to Stardom B4: VDGG v. Samla
Posted By: MovingPictures07
Subject: PA's Battle to Stardom B4: VDGG v. Samla
Date Posted: October 26 2008 at 11:13
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1970s prog rock masters Van der Graaf have their next opponent: one of the original 6 bands of the Rock in Opposition movement. Both were extremely unique and have certainly created their input on music. Which one will continue? Please: If you are not familiar with one or both of the band's material, I urge that you use the links provided and at least listen to the samples on their respective pages (or Youtube if the particular band has no online streaming). VDGG's PA page: http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=343 - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=343 SMM's PA page: http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=621 - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=621 As always, discussions are encouraged. Recap: Round 2 B1: B2: Emerson, Lake and Palmer v. B3: B1: forum_posts.asp?TID=52648&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52648&PN=1 B2: forum_posts.asp?TID=52714 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52714 B3: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52795 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52795 Round 1 A1: A2: A3: Emerson, Lake and Palmer v. A4: A5: Can v. A6: A7: Van der Graaf Generator v. A8: Samla Mammas Manna v. A9: Rush v. A10: A11: Henry Cow v. A12: A13: A14: A15: A16: Gentle Giant v. A1: forum_posts.asp?TID=51423&PN=2 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51423&PN=2 A2: forum_posts.asp?TID=51492&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51492&PN=1 A3: forum_posts.asp?TID=51567&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51567&PN=1 A4: forum_posts.asp?TID=51630&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51630&PN=1 A5: forum_posts.asp?TID=51711&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51711&PN=1 A6: forum_posts.asp?TID=51778 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51778 A7: forum_posts.asp?TID=51855 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51855 A8: forum_posts.asp?TID=51928&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51928&PN=1 A9: forum_posts.asp?TID=52011 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52011 A10: forum_posts.asp?TID=52091 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52091 A11: forum_posts.asp?TID=52158&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52158&PN=1 A12: forum_posts.asp?TID=52246 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52246 A13: forum_posts.asp?TID=52336 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52336 A14: forum_posts.asp?TID=52411&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52411&PN=1 A15: forum_posts.asp?TID=52487&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52487&PN=1 A16: forum_posts.asp?TID=52571 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52571 ------------- 
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Replies:
Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: October 26 2008 at 11:18
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my vote cancels Geck0's ;P ------------- FREEDOM OF SPEECH GO TO HELL |
Posted By: YesFan72
Date Posted: October 26 2008 at 12:00
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SMM, of course.
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: October 26 2008 at 12:21
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SMM for me... thanks to some stuff Greg had me listen to.. much better than the sh*t available here as samples.
------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: October 26 2008 at 12:33
| I really like both, but I'm giving a vote to the underdog (and underdog that is currently leading), Samla Mammas Manna. And I also am factoring in Zamla Mammaz Manna and Von Zamla as SMM incarnations. |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: October 26 2008 at 12:42
| I had a feeling this was going to be one-sided. For once, I'm wrong. |
Posted By: TGM: Orb
Date Posted: October 26 2008 at 12:45
| Will take a listen to Samla later... and vote against them unless the samples are absolutely stunning, but that's just me being a VDGG fanboy. |
Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: October 26 2008 at 12:51
Hope Area wins the whole damn thing.
Its 33-34 now, and still open for votes. As much as i like to vote for the underdog, VdGG means so much more to me than SMM. ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
MovingPictures07 wrote:Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: October 26 2008 at 12:51
You shouldn't judge Samla based on the PA samples, as they are only representative on the humoristic part of their sound.
This poll is VERY difficult for me, but I'll give a symphatic vote for SMM this time!
------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: TGM: Orb
Date Posted: October 26 2008 at 12:55
Fair enough. I'll try to spread my wings onto Youtube. VDGG are my favourite band ever, so they'll have a tough job anyway. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: October 26 2008 at 12:56
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whoever is in charge of that sub should work on getting something that might actually get people interested in wanting to hear them. Those samples are atrocious unless you are predisposed to that kind of stuff.
------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: October 26 2008 at 13:00
Try http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXopRuongM4 - this!
 ------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: October 26 2008 at 13:02
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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: October 26 2008 at 13:03
I agree on this as I didn't add those samples myself. But I shall think out some alternatives.
------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: October 26 2008 at 13:06
that is something, a project, I am starting next week with the Italian sub... taking a break from additions.. and concentrating on what is here already. Samples being a big part of that.. reviews and word of mouth are often not enough to pry people from their money to buy the albums, sometimes you just need to hear something. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: October 26 2008 at 13:07
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Surprised at how easy this choice was for me. VdGG. |
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: October 26 2008 at 13:09
Good idea. This is especially important in the RIO/Avant sub (all those diversities
 ) And we have way too few samples really. I'll see what I can do about this!------------- RIO/AVANT/ZEUHL - The best thing you can get with yer pants on! |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: October 26 2008 at 13:10
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excellent.. my sub is the same way.. very diverse. and still a lot of wrong perceptions about it abound... that the infernal politics of this site make hard to clear up.
------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Thandrus
Date Posted: October 26 2008 at 13:11
| All my second-round favorites lost... I hope it won't be the case now... VDGG |
Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: October 26 2008 at 13:15
Although not the best track to introduce SMM with, Långt Ner i ett Kaninhål (Far Down the Rabbit Hole) is kinda fun, isn't it? Or am I just predisposed for that kind of stuff? ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: October 26 2008 at 13:23
fun yeah... but as we know here.. humour is something that can be in short supply with our dear prog fans. We can measure the devoutness of some prog fans by measuring the length of the stick jammed up their asses ahahhah. the samples.. fun or good or not.. just like the Dean axiom for myspace.. should be samples that will generate interest in the group. A fun track is not out of bounds.. but something that will make people WANT to hear a group should probably be the thrust of the samples. Not ones that may turn off potential explorers so to speak. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: October 26 2008 at 13:52
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VdGG ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: RaphaelT
Date Posted: October 26 2008 at 13:57
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Van Der Graaf Generator ------------- yet you still have time! |
Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: October 26 2008 at 14:03
I agree with you. I was just curious if you thought they all were terrible. Andra Satsen is probably pointless because its just kind of anonymous. Syster System's a little annoying, (but sort of works in the context of album). Any other Måltid track would do a better job here. I think that if you find good substitutes for these two, Långt Ner... could stay. ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: October 26 2008 at 14:10
to be honest.. I thought the samples sucked...and didn't connect with me at all.... but Greg (in the contest earlier) showed my the youtube link to that other song, and I saw there was more to the group than those. I guess that is my point. 
------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: JoaoPirucas
Date Posted: October 26 2008 at 15:10
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VdGG here.
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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: October 26 2008 at 15:27
Now its 34-34! ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: October 26 2008 at 15:58
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VdGG. I like Sammla, but Van der Graaf... are one of my top 5 bands.
------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 
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Posted By: Moatilliatta
Date Posted: October 26 2008 at 21:03
It appears that you have spoken too soon. ------------- www.last.fm/user/ThisCenotaph  
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Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: October 26 2008 at 23:33
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VDGG!! And it would've been awesome if Can had upset two of my least favorite bands of all time, but oh well! ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Avantgardian |
Posted By: PearlRock
Date Posted: October 26 2008 at 23:43
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Have to go with VDGG , even if my own band is involved in this poll , i surely respect SMM , but i have no idea about all their works , but even so , VDGG are my favourites all the way ......... ------------- progfan |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: October 27 2008 at 06:12
| VDGG for me... |
Posted By: Takeshi Kovacs
Date Posted: October 27 2008 at 17:29
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Quite an easy one - VdGG for me. Quite a few excellent albums, and some 'killer' tracks like Plague and Man Erg and many others. I was impressed by Maltid, but the shher volume of quality works by VdGG wins it hands down!
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Check out my music taste: http://www.last.fm/user/TakeshiKovacs/ |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: October 27 2008 at 17:38
With Samla Mamma Manna, it reformed/ renamed (and there were line-up changes) as Zamla Mammaz Manna and Von Zamla, so there's plenty of material.SAMLA MAMMAS MANNA Albums
ZAMLA MAMMAZ MANNA Albums
VON ZAMLA Albums
Familjesprickor is my particular favourite of the SMM/ZMM/VZ albums. |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: October 27 2008 at 17:47
Good! Then it means I've never been wrong!  |
Posted By: Bern
Date Posted: October 27 2008 at 18:04
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I would vote for SMM against most bands. Sadly, they are up against my favorite. -------------  
RIP in bossa nova heaven. |
Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: October 28 2008 at 07:32
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No brainer for me really, VDGG all the way.
------------- "Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value." Arnold Schoenberg |
Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: October 28 2008 at 11:05
Another vote for the BIG generator!  ------------- 
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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: October 28 2008 at 13:05
I love those bands, but my vote goes to Van Der Graf, and also i can't believe that Can lose  -------------  |
Posted By: horsewithteeth11
Date Posted: October 28 2008 at 15:39
That's because Can lost to a more innovative band. ------------- 
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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: October 28 2008 at 15:55
More innovative or more actual?? ------------- |
Posted By: horsewithteeth11
Date Posted: October 28 2008 at 19:41
Oh, did I say innovative? I meant more innovative AND more awesome. And no, that's not subjective at all. -------------
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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: October 28 2008 at 20:46
in tastes break genres...------------- |
Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: October 28 2008 at 22:25
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Yikes, I was hoping for not THIS much of a blowout. Looks like VDGG are still going strong! -------------
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Posted By: RoidRageOnStage
Date Posted: October 29 2008 at 04:14
It was just the same for me.
VdGG aswell.
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Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: October 29 2008 at 18:10
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Tough decision, but I went with VDGG.
Before I get lynched by other members of the RIO/Zeuhl team, I should explain that I based that solely on SMM vs VDGG; if the poll had included ZMM and Von Zamla (and indeed Van Der Graaf, as they became for Pleasure Dome/Quiet Zone) my vote would have gone the other way. ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: October 31 2008 at 07:50
Don't like? I think its a fantastic album. ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: omri
Date Posted: November 02 2008 at 13:11
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I know SMM less. Mainly because it so hard to get their albums here.
I voted for VDGG cause they are realy great but with a lot of sympathy to SMM which are lovely.
I second those who cries for Can's loss and also surprised to see Gong lost to Area (although Area are realy cool). I probably should have joined these battles. ------------- omri |