Major Upgrade to the Forum Engine
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Printed Date: November 26 2024 at 20:08
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Topic: Major Upgrade to the Forum Engine
Posted By: M@X
Subject: Major Upgrade to the Forum Engine
Date Posted: October 18 2008 at 00:23
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Hi, I just completed an important upgrade to the forum web wiz forum engine . Please report issues in that thread. Thank you. Here's the modificiations since v9.06 to the actual 9.53 version. Important one in RED Version 9.53 (3rd October 2008)1. includes/version_inc.asp - updated version number2. RTE_popup_adv_image.asp - fixed bug that would not allow image uploading 3. RTE_popup_file_atch.asp - fixed bug that would not allow file uploading 4. register.asp - fixed file corruption 5. functions/functions_filters.asp - fixed file corruption
1. includes/version_inc.asp - updated version number |
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 18 2008 at 00:35
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great M@X, thanks for all the hard work |
Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: October 18 2008 at 01:21
Holy crap M@x! That's awesome!  We're all eternally grateful  |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: October 18 2008 at 03:44
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Atavachron wrote:Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: October 18 2008 at 04:49
Just goes to show how hard mailto:M@x - M@x and Phil work behind the scenes for all our benefit.
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Posted By: russellk
Date Posted: October 18 2008 at 05:03
| And I very much like the changes I've seen so far. Great stuff! |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: October 18 2008 at 05:08
| Sounds great but where's Active Topics gone? |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: October 18 2008 at 05:08
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There is, though, one bug I noticed trying to open "The Stranglers" and two recently made polls; upon opening them, I get the message Microsoft VBScript runtime error '800a0006' Overflow: 'CInt' /FORUM/includes/poll_display_inc.asp, line 150 while the rest of the page doesn't load. Pretty sure it has to do with polls overall, I can't open a single topic in the "Prog Polls" section - plus I believe the topic about "Stranglers" has also a poll. ------------- 
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: October 18 2008 at 05:13
OK, found it. It's now called New Posts. |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: October 18 2008 at 05:14
| Yep, all the polls are buggered (technically speaking). |
Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: October 18 2008 at 05:24
Can you confirm that it'S working now , I may have fixed it ------------- Prog On ! |
Posted By: Man Erg
Date Posted: October 18 2008 at 05:33
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It's working now,Max.
Thanks for your all of your hard work  ------------- 
Do 'The Stanley' otherwise I'll thrash you with some rhubarb. |
Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: October 18 2008 at 05:36
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Hmmm, unable to log in to the admin control panel now - previously it logged in via the forum and then sent me to the admin panel, now it just gets stuck in the forums.
------------- Websites I work with: http://www.progressor.net http://www.houseofprog.com My profile on Mixcloud: https://www.mixcloud.com/haukevind/ |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: October 18 2008 at 05:48
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Polls working. Thanks M@X!
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: October 18 2008 at 05:48
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Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: October 18 2008 at 07:02
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The ADMIN CONTROL PANEL access big is now fixed. Please report issues here. Sorry for the troubles. Thank you ------------- Prog On ! |
Posted By: Kotro
Date Posted: October 18 2008 at 09:27
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Well, there goes my sig again. Time to renew, anyway. ------------- Bigger on the inside. |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: October 18 2008 at 12:05
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Is it just me, or is all the text several points larger? I liked it better before.
It also appears that sig resizing is gone, in favor of a tiny scroll bar for the huge picture. While that solves the problem of having to scroll past 500 pixels to read somebody's post, it's still not nice for the people with slow/limited internet. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: October 18 2008 at 15:08
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M@X, there was always a "quick login" box below the top bar, in the right side (precisely, below the actually login button). Any chance you could but that back up or was it one of the features designed to be removed?
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: October 18 2008 at 15:18
When I click on  < ="" ="text/">document.write('Search')Search)EDIT: When I click on the Search hypertext link above copied from  member_control_panel.asp - Member Control Panel  pm_welcome.asp - 0 New Messages  help.asp - FAQ < ="" ="text/">document.write('Search')Search < ="" ="text/">document.write('Calendar')Calendar, it is taking me to the larger search form page, but when I click on it at the top of the forum page, it takes me to the quick search. Problem on my end, perhaps. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: October 18 2008 at 15:56
Oh its larger.
And I agree. I liked it better before. Looked more tidy and professional. I also don't like how certain threads titles are bolded.
But other than that, no major complaints. ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: October 19 2008 at 02:45
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I see that my signature pictures exceed right now the signature frame. A bug?
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Posted By: Kotro
Date Posted: October 19 2008 at 05:51
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Ok, PA is giving me a headache. Yesterday all the text seemed bigger, but today... I simply can't see it without sticking my nose to the screen...
I need an aspirin. ------------- Bigger on the inside. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 19 2008 at 05:55
^  I know, font fatigue |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: October 19 2008 at 06:25
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^I quite like it, it gives me double the space for long reviews. The emoticons, instead, grew substantially, they're like mascot heads now. -------------
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Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: October 19 2008 at 06:43
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M@X: I'd suggest restoring yesterdays font size (the current one is far too small), and fixing the signature size. Signatures like Rico's now end up covering the top half of the next post.
------------- http://www.iskcrocks.com" rel="nofollow - ISKC Rock Radio I stopped blogging and reviewing - so won't be handling requests. Promo's for ariplay can be sent to [email protected] |
Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: October 19 2008 at 10:04
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Done. Please comments if it's ok. ------------- Prog On ! |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: October 19 2008 at 10:07
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along with that pending album stipend for collabs hahahha .. how about an eyeglasses stipend as well M@X. This font is giving me headaches hahahha guess I am getting old ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: October 19 2008 at 10:46
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Quite login back, THANKS M@X!!
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: October 19 2008 at 12:07
It's still uglier. Is it hard to put it back the way it was before? ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: October 19 2008 at 19:04
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It is now back exactly like it was before now.
------------- Prog On ! |
Posted By: Bern
Date Posted: October 19 2008 at 19:05
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I oversaw an important color scheme change yesterday for like 1 minute. Is it a future project or just an error? -------------  
RIP in bossa nova heaven. |
Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: October 19 2008 at 19:07
Color scheme change is a low priority project for now.If i have free time I will try to integrate more of the traditionnal PA colors in the forum too ...yestreday - it was a quick test.  ------------- Prog On ! |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: October 19 2008 at 19:47
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my eyes thank you M@X
------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: October 20 2008 at 03:16
I think the reviews section looked much better, the forum format was the challenge ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |
Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: October 20 2008 at 03:32
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Many thanks for the huge amount of work, Max ------------- 
Jon Lord 1941 - 2012 |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: October 20 2008 at 15:14
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How is someone from the mid 16th century supposed to understand all this ????
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Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: October 20 2008 at 16:10
Not at all, they should either be dead, or enjoying their Philospher's Stone on a distant island without internet.  ------------- http://www.iskcrocks.com" rel="nofollow - ISKC Rock Radio I stopped blogging and reviewing - so won't be handling requests. Promo's for ariplay can be sent to [email protected] |
Posted By: yam yam
Date Posted: June 23 2011 at 21:39
| Trying to insert a tunecore flash widget into a post using the "insert movie" feature in the post reply, select "adobe flash" as the movie type, and paste the embedding code into the appropriate field. When I show the preview it looks perfect each time. However every time I actually post the reply all that shows in the finished article is the code that is supposed to embed the widget, but no widget!! Tried about 8 times, same result always. What am I doing wrong???? |
Posted By: The Truth
Date Posted: June 23 2011 at 21:45
You might want to ask that in a different section and not a three year old thread... ------------- http://blindpoetrecords.bandcamp.com/" rel="nofollow">  
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Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: June 24 2011 at 04:36
Have you tried [ flash] [ / flash]. Without the space after the first bracket? I can't check as I am using my iPad. Flash a-ah!!! |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: June 24 2011 at 06:08
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^ you have to put the actual URL of the flash widget inbetween the flash BBCodes, the height and width are parameters of the BBCode, eg
[FLASH WIDTH=160 HEIGHT=400]http://widget.tunecore.com/swf/tc_run_v_v2.swf?widget_id=54013[/FLASH]
which will look like this:
[FLASH WIDTH=160 HEIGHT=400]http://widget.tunecore.com/swf/tc_run_v_v2.swf?widget_id=54013[/FLASH] ------------- What? |
Posted By: yam yam
Date Posted: June 24 2011 at 09:46
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Thanks for this Dean. If I'd looked more closely at the embedding code, and realised that the dialogue box in the Progarchives "add movie" feature was asking for just the actual URL, & not the whole thing, I should have been able to work this out. We learn something new every day!
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Posted By: seventhsojourn
Date Posted: November 11 2011 at 11:54
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Probably not the place to mention this but all previous ''search function'' threads are locked and I don't want to start a new thread, but I notice that now when you do a band or album search from the homepage a small picture of the band or album also appears. Nice!
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Posted By: Failcore
Date Posted: November 11 2011 at 13:37
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That is due to Google, not PA I believe.
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Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: November 11 2011 at 13:50
Not to mention it oft chooses the wrong picture to display. Many times when searching for an album it will display a random reviewer's avatar rather than the album art...  ------------- http://ow.ly/8ymqg" rel="nofollow">  
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Posted By: Failcore
Date Posted: November 11 2011 at 14:27
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I think it's a random choice of an image on the page
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: November 11 2011 at 21:54
It can't be random, I got TGM: Orb's avatar for CTTE, SEBTP, ITCOTCK, Animals and WYWH, and I got Conor Fynes, MovingPictures07, and progaardvark's avatars for a bunch of albums that I didn't bother recording. But yeah, almost all of the ones I checked did not have the album art as the first result, and that is Google's attempt at being helpful, not ours. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: November 11 2011 at 22:21
I get my avatar for Systematic Chaos  ------------- http://ow.ly/8ymqg" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: November 20 2011 at 14:07
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------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: November 21 2011 at 04:17
Well that was a pointless post. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: November 21 2011 at 11:22
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: November 21 2011 at 14:44
Oops. I was testing if I can shrink emoticons and meant to delete it, then forgot.
------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 21 2011 at 15:06
I can't do it. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: The Miracle
Date Posted: November 21 2011 at 15:24
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Apparently you can't delete posts in this section. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/ocellatedgod" rel="nofollow - last.fm |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: November 21 2011 at 15:35
| ^ Nope....found that out a while back. |
Posted By: Failcore
Date Posted: November 21 2011 at 15:41
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: November 21 2011 at 15:43
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Finished pissing about? ------------- What? |
Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: February 09 2012 at 00:14
| I don't know if I found corect page to writte about, but where disappear the list wit 100 reviewers from front page???? |
Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: February 09 2012 at 05:23
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A list of Prog Reviewers with their respective number of reviews in descending order is available on the collaborators page. I can't see the purpose of duplicating this on the front page frankly. When I was in primary school our teacher would give out candy for the best homework, not the most homework. ------------- 
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Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: February 09 2012 at 05:34
| and where I can see that list, because I don't find it |
Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: February 09 2012 at 05:37
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http://www.progarchives.com/all_collaborators.asp" rel="nofollow - http://www.progarchives.com/all_collaborators.asp ------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: February 09 2012 at 05:45
| ok I know that, but where is as Lemming said " number of reviews in descending order" there because I don't see a damn thing |
Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: February 09 2012 at 05:54
 ------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: February 09 2012 at 05:55
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NB: I dont think you find yourself there - have never seen my own name on the list. But im not sure. ------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 09 2012 at 05:56
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^ Yes but where is the review list? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: February 09 2012 at 06:05
if you click the username (in this case snow dog) you get this : ------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 09 2012 at 06:07
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I know that. That isn't what he wants. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: February 09 2012 at 06:11
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LOL - I just dont understand the question There is a list of the number of reviews in decending order - you can check every single review. and some other statistic values, what more ? ------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 09 2012 at 06:18
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^There used to be a list of the top 100 reviewers with how many reviews on the front page. Basically he wants that. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: February 09 2012 at 06:24
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Sound like we are talking politics now - in that case im out ------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: February 09 2012 at 06:34
yes that list with top 100 most prolific reviewers what is so hard to understand, no one saw that list on the front page (only Snow Dog knows about) that ask so many questions, sorry to be rude here practicaly since yesterday disappered from the blue |
Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: February 09 2012 at 06:36
| I just want to see that list, nothing more, was deleted or what???? |
Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: February 09 2012 at 06:58
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To be a bit more precise here: Until yesterday a regular feature on the frontpage - www.progarchives.com - was a list of the 100 most prolific reviewers. Placed on the right border, a bit below the most recent additions and most popular albums if I remember correctly. That list has now suddenly gone missing. Question is if it has been removed on purpose or by accident I guess ;-) ------------- Websites I work with: http://www.progressor.net http://www.houseofprog.com My profile on Mixcloud: https://www.mixcloud.com/haukevind/ |
Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: February 09 2012 at 08:16
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Just noticed that as well...
Because I was looking for an album that Conor had reviewed and forgot the name, went to just click on his name off the top 100 list, gone.
Why oh puppet masters of PA? Why? My little math brain likes seeing my number go up and my name ascend the list. It's one of the few pleasures in my nerdy life...
Well not really. But I did get 0.01 mcg of endophin from it. ------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: tamijo
Date Posted: February 09 2012 at 08:21
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I got the picture now, sorry that I missed the point. To me it sounded crystal clear form Lemmings post, that it was removed on purpose. ------------- Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours |
Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: February 09 2012 at 08:36
Might be, but why do so within what seems to be a cloud of mystery then? A small announcement about removing it because it's not really useful anymore would have sufficed. Perhaps also opening up a small debate about ample use for the freed up space due to this revised layout...or informing about what use it'll be given if already mapped out ;-) ------------- Websites I work with: http://www.progressor.net http://www.houseofprog.com My profile on Mixcloud: https://www.mixcloud.com/haukevind/ |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: February 09 2012 at 09:42
| Really unfortunate if it's permanent. It was a nice little feather in the cap for the hard workers, a bit of recognition. And it did have a gentle motivation effect, thus it encouraged reviewing. A morale downer. Hopefully it is not permanent. |
Posted By: Andy Webb
Date Posted: February 09 2012 at 11:06
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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: February 09 2012 at 11:17
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Upon whom do we brandish our pitchforks? ------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: Rivertree
Date Posted: February 09 2012 at 13:13
my ranking  lost in the woods ...
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Posted By: ExittheLemming
Date Posted: February 09 2012 at 15:07
You brandish your tuned pitchforks upon the music listed on this site by providing detailed and informative reviews with substance that will make PA the most complete and powerful progressive rock resource. Yes, it was deliberate as the Top 100 Reviewers list was felt to contribute towards the steady decline in the standard of reviews being submitted for some considerable time. After all, the wrong type of competitive spirit engenders short cuts being taken and given the choice between good and hard work, we will always opt for the former. Like I said earlier in this thread, the information some of you seek i.e. a league table, is available on the collaborators page. A slew of flimsy reviews that tell you next to nothing about the subject matter is no better than zero reviews and strips the site of it's hard won credibility. We have a lot of brilliant reviewers on PA (including yourself) who will continue to make this site the 'first choice stop' for any inquisitive visitor. -------------
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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: February 09 2012 at 15:29
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Well I've gotten back on the horse after a few months layoff...some backhanded compliments for whipping boy Toby Driver on the front page. ------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: February 09 2012 at 15:41
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Fair enough. One slight detail that might warrant inspection however. A fair few artists have gotten in touch with reviewers and basically used that frontapge list as a check list on whom to make first contact with. Some sort of -really easy to find option- should be provided for them on the frontpage, rather than sending them into the different tabs or forums looking for what - from an outsiders perspective - will be like finding a needle in a haystack. I think I made a call for some sort of official Progarchives reviewers team to be assembled a few years back, that one might be worth considering again. A group of high quality reviewers that makes themselves available in a visible sport on the frontpage, saying a few words about their particular areas of interest for the ease of the artists as well as whatever label representatives that takes an interest in this site. ------------- Websites I work with: http://www.progressor.net http://www.houseofprog.com My profile on Mixcloud: https://www.mixcloud.com/haukevind/ |
Posted By: toroddfuglesteg
Date Posted: February 09 2012 at 16:06
Excellent news. I don't mind. We are now awaiting yours and the powers that is version and definiton of "good" and "bad" in the context of PA. Please post them and do it right now. Remember: A cow is a cow in someones eyes and a disfigured sheep in someone else's eyes again. What is the right definition of a cow ? Remember to think when you think. That will make your thoughts a lot more considered. So, what is "good" and what is "bad" ? Or is no reviews at all "good" ? Is a hospital without any patients a better run hospital than a hospital with patients ? Please report back with your findings and definitions within hours (which should be no problems for you since you must have known what you wrote). This is a " 'first choice stop' for any inquisitive visitor " and a centre for excellense. Not a place for cheap, nasty accusations. Like the ones yours may be mistaken for. .......but the removal of the Top 100 reviewers is warmly supported by me.
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Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: February 09 2012 at 16:29
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I have taken it for granted that the Lemming and admin team know their Hanslick from start to finish, and easily can outline the merits of a good review versus a not good review at the blink of an eye ;-) ------------- Websites I work with: http://www.progressor.net http://www.houseofprog.com My profile on Mixcloud: https://www.mixcloud.com/haukevind/ |
Posted By: toroddfuglesteg
Date Posted: February 09 2012 at 16:34
Fantastic. I am so happy to discover a place like PA who has solved the 100 000 years old quandrum in finding the difference between good and bad in abstract matters like opinions. |
Posted By: Snow Dog
Date Posted: February 09 2012 at 16:47
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We should rename them The Wise Ones ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Snow_Dog" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: February 09 2012 at 16:54
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Oh well. There has been a call for words of wisdom from the learned sages. It'll be interesting to see if they will come down from their mountain and share their glorious knowledge with this small horde of uncouth, common barbarians.
------------- Websites I work with: http://www.progressor.net http://www.houseofprog.com My profile on Mixcloud: https://www.mixcloud.com/haukevind/ |
Posted By: toroddfuglesteg
Date Posted: February 09 2012 at 17:07
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I fear we will end up with The Don Quixote Appreciation Society. The lesson is: It is never a bad idea to think through things before they are posted. In particular when the opinions posted may be regarded as cheap personal attacks on the collabs, unfitting for a serious music website. ........Anyway, besides of thankfully getting rid of the top 100 collabs list, what are the other updates and improvements in this upgrade ?
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Posted By: Windhawk
Date Posted: February 09 2012 at 17:25
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To be a bit more serious: Why do the site have collabs if they aren't consulted in matters which directly or indirectly affects their actions? Or at a base minimum informed? I can see a number of good reasons for why that list of top quantity reviewers was removed, that it deterred new reviewers due to the silly amounts of reviews written by the people on that list as of now one of the topmost. But as it was also a tool and resource for those with a less keen involvement in the site as such and at least to some extent an inspiration or handy tool for the collabs on that list, removing it does have negative side effects. And sugarcoating that decision is a move that should have been thought of beforehand. Whatever reasonings that were made behind closed doors, and however sound they may have been, someone should have realized that you don't make people happy by punching them in their face, even if the punch is a light and delicate one. The action becomes more important than the effect itself in such instances. In the long run not an important issue, probably not in the short run either. The handling of it a matter of more concern than the action itself in my opinion. ------------- Websites I work with: http://www.progressor.net http://www.houseofprog.com My profile on Mixcloud: https://www.mixcloud.com/haukevind/ |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: February 09 2012 at 17:46
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I've been thinking about this all day, and the more I do, the more it pisses me off. It's really unfortunate, but not unlike many management decisions in the workplace.....which is....rather than directly confronting a problem, make a sweeping policy change that ends up punishing the good apples with the bad. I understand the proclaimed reasoning behind this change, but this was absolutely the wrong way to address it, by pulling this fun and unique little part of our site that the good apples also enjoy. Our list helped make PA a bit special and was a nice token for the reviewers. I don't think I'm the only one who enjoyed seeing my fellow collabs milestones. There are other more direct and appropriate ways to deal with lame reviews if that is what the problem is. I will stop regular reviewing as a simple form of protest again this decision, I've got a million other things needing my attention anyway. I hope eventually the decision will be reversed. |
Posted By: toroddfuglesteg
Date Posted: February 09 2012 at 17:48
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What I care about is the signals being sent out in an open to everyone forum and the lack of any considerations, both intellectual and human considerations taken here. Attacking collabs and any other reviewers (including those who post reviews in good faith) without any good reasonings than "that is my/ours opinions = it is the objective truth" is demeaning ProgArchives into something much nastier than I signed up to when I joined here. It is certainly not making PA into a quality website. Again: Think. I have said my piece (and edited it eight times). Goodnight and good mental health. |
Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: February 09 2012 at 17:56
I don't understand the logic behind this. The top 100 was collaborators only. If a collaborator is submitting terrible or inappropriate reviews, that collaborator should be addressed. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: February 09 2012 at 18:36
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This is all missing the point just a little. It is not the Collabs and Prog Reviewers who we are concerned about as much as the non-collabs who are trying to emulate them. The "league table" presents a false picture of what being a collaborator is all about - it's not about producing 100s and 1000s of reviews, but of producing good quality reviews. All PRs were chosen because of the quality of what they wrote, not the quantity - which is why there are people out there who have written more than the http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=13080" rel="nofollow - recommended 30 reviews who were not promoted to PR status.
Newer members looking at the league table see a target to aim at (100s of reviews), not a goal to be achieved (accurate reviewing).
Anyone who has seen, or complained about, people flooding the front-page with multiple brief, poorly written reviews that rapidly push the longer, well considered and well written reviews off the page should see what we've done here as not quite the villainous "kick in the face" that some have mistaken it for.
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Posted By: TheGazzardian
Date Posted: February 09 2012 at 18:43
Jim, I hope that you do stick around, as one who has enjoyed your reviews and who has bought several albums based on them...
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: February 09 2012 at 18:45
I don't see this as a villainous move at all, but can we be sure that these "review mavericks" just want their names on the chart (even if they can't get theirs on there without quality reviews per the review guidelines), or is their motive something else? Perhaps they are legitimately opinionated but do a poor job expressing their views. I, like Jim, did enjoy seeing others move along (and I just hit #39! ), and it was a handy way to go right to some of my favorite reviewers' pages to read what they've written. ------------- https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays" rel="nofollow - https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: February 09 2012 at 18:54
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If you're concerned about "machine gunners" of poor reviews, a legit issue, why not deal with them...rather than doing something which will likely not have any positive affect on the problem? Identify those reviewers who most abuse the standards you desire, warn them once or twice, then if they continue, delete the account. But beyond that......the main thing is that this "fix" isn't going to change those people. Do you really think the non-collabs who post the throwaway reviews will stop because that section is gone? I don't think so. All this does is remove a nice feature from the site. |
Posted By: toroddfuglesteg
Date Posted: February 09 2012 at 19:23
There is an easy fix to this. Whatever your highly subjective views determine is good reviews is given the value 0 and is getting kept on the frontpage for 12, 24, 36, 72 hours or how long it takes. Whatever your highly subjective views determine is bad reviews is given the value 2 and falls of the frontpage after 15 minutes or shorter. Why has this not been done years ago if this was such a problem for PA ? Another thing: You believe those of who reviews does it for being high on the list. That is not true. Some of us review for the fun of it or any other reasons. The list does not mean anything to me and surely; for a lot of others too. Don't assume anything and don't think you know the reasons why people are reviewing. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: February 09 2012 at 19:58
Dealing with flood-reviews, poor reviews and reviews that don't "talk in some detail about each album" on a one-to-one basis is reactive and time consuming and does not stop the problem. It is better to be proactive and not encourage them.
No one can guess or predict whether there is any likelihood that this will not have any positive affect on the problem. Maybe it won't, but we think it will and only time will tell for sure.
As has already been pointed out, this feature hasn't entirely dissapeared, though I admit that only PRs are sorted on review-count on the http://www.progarchives.com/all_collaborators.asp" rel="nofollow - Collaborator Page (...also note that 7 Admins and 5 ex-Admins appeared on the Top 100 list so it's not just the Collabs and SCs who have been affected).
Sorry Torodd, but that is not a solution and would create more problems than it hopes to fix. [okay, I got the sarcasm in the "highly subjective views" comment but], we're not being subjective or judgemental here, which is why no one has responded to your previous call-out.
So, I say again: " It is not the Collabs and Prog Reviewers who we are concerned about as much as the non-collabs who are trying to emulate them" ... which is why I honestly do not believe that anyone here is writing reviews solely to climb up the league table, which is also why no Admin has actually said people are writing reviews to climb up the table in this thread, which is also why I don't understand how anyone would get quite so pissed off when it was removed from the Front Page (given that "The list does not mean anything to me"). ------------- What? |