Heavy Prog (and Related) appreciation thread
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Topic: Heavy Prog (and Related) appreciation thread
Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Subject: Heavy Prog (and Related) appreciation thread
Date Posted: October 16 2008 at 12:07
I'm noticing that there is a thread where talk openly of this wonderful Prog genre.
This is why I decided to create it!
Unfortunately, many of the 70's Heavy Prog bands have produced 1 or a few albums and for this are poorly understood. This is another reason to create a thread on Heavy Prog.
P.s.: This thread is open also for Heavy Prog related band like Deep purple, Bijelo Dugme, Black Sabbath, Journey, Queen...!
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Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: October 16 2008 at 12:46
An excellent Sub genre indeed! Many of my favorite bands live there.
Although I am also perplexed as to the "Heavy Prog" syndrome of having only one good album and then the rest being flops. Damn you Captain Beyond, Babe Ruth and many others, I'm sure!
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: October 16 2008 at 13:06
King By-Tor wrote:
An excellent Sub genre indeed! Many of my favorite bands live there.
Although I am also perplexed as to the "Heavy Prog" syndrome of having only one good album and then the rest being flops. Damn you Captain Beyond, Babe Ruth and many others, I'm sure!
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You watch... I believe this is true only in part ... Not true for everyone. But this is true. I also remain puzzled!
Another aspect that I must stress is related to Uriah Heep. There are those who see them only as Prog band... This is true for 70's. But in 80's Heep are Hard/ AOR and today... Heep are only a great Classic Metal band. Heep today are loved from Metallers and bikers... But if we present them as Prog band... So many remain perplexed. The same goes with Rush, Atomic Rooster and... Hawkwind (which I consider Psychedelic Heavy Prog!).
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Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: October 16 2008 at 14:33
My fav band of the genre must be Uriah Heep... I love almost all their 70's records and I am captivated by the sound of the hammond...
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 16 2008 at 14:53
there are many wonderful vintage Heavy Prog bands;
Fusion Orchestra Arc High Tide Automatic Fine Tuning Badger Elonkorjuu Freedom's Children
and many excellent newer groups as; Yang Zundapp Asteroid Kingfisher Sky Australis Solution Science Systems
also check this thread -- forum_posts.asp?TID=49981&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=49981&PN=1
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: October 16 2008 at 15:42
For the classics, I really like High Tide, Birth Control, and Gravy Train, and was very impressed with Automatic Fine Tuning.
In modern Heavy Prog, I do like Solution Science Systems and Thule, but thanks to John's (sinakdotentree) recommendation in a recent poll by Rushfan4 (Scott) -- and thanks to Scott for providing myspace links for his poll -- this may be my favourite in Heavy Prog that I've become familiar with (I don't have the album, but from myspace, I think it's brilliant). Here is Maxwell Demon's http://www.myspace.com/therealmaxwellsdemon - myspace
2001
../album.asp?id=6798 - Prometheus
4.00
(3 ratings)
------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: October 16 2008 at 18:45
I would like to suggest you check out another band which David and Whizzle have been instrumental in adding to the archives, during the past week, and is certainly worth checking out, for its Indian influences:
Motherjane: http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=4015 - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=4015
a further band, which will be added to HP within the next week to Uwe's obvious delight...
Every Other Fate: http://www.myspace.com/everyotherfate - www.myspace.com/everyotherfate
both bands will be excellent additions to our genre stable...
and many thanks to Mandrakeroot for dedicating a thread to HP, and giving us a medium for raising the profile of these bands....
------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: October 16 2008 at 18:59
Excellent sub-genre!! Deep Purple being my fave band of all-time, it made me include a lot of bands, especially the ones with Hammond Organ as lead, Atomic Rooster, Black Widow, Uriah Heep, these are the main bands that I liked thanks to DP and of course the Hard Rock genre.
I consider the following Heavy Prog/Heavy Prog-Related:
-Deep Purple:
Fireball
Machine Head
Burn
Come Taste the Band
-Led Zeppelin:
IV
Houses of the Holy
Presence
II
I
-Budgie:
Never Turn Your Back on your Friend
Squawk
-Rush(the ones I own):
Caress of Steel
2112
Farewell to Kings
-Black Sabbath:
Black Sabbath
Paranoid
Sabbath Bloody Sabbath
Sabotage
-Rainbow:
Rising
-Whitesnake:
Ready An' Willing
-Atomic Rooster:
Death Walks Behind You
-Black Widow:
Sacrifice
-Jethro Tull(Heavy Folk Prog):
Aqualung
Minstrel in the Gallery
Others...
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: October 17 2008 at 09:13
cacho wrote:
I consider the following Heavy Prog/Heavy Prog-Related : -Whitesnake: Ready An' Willing
Others... |
Uhm... I have 'Saints And Sinner', 'Live... In The Heart Of The City' (remaster with 'Live At Hammersmith') , the VHS recorded in 1983 at 'Monsters Of Rock' and 'Lovehunter'... Really you say that 'Ready An' Willing' is a Heavy Prog Related album?
Well... I have to look 'Ready An' Willing'!!!
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Posted By: Nightfly
Date Posted: October 17 2008 at 12:31
Mandrakeroot wrote:
cacho wrote:
I consider the following Heavy Prog/Heavy Prog-Related : -Whitesnake: Ready An' Willing
Others... |
Uhm... I have 'Saints And Sinner', 'Live... In The Heart Of The City' (remaster with 'Live At Hammersmith') , the VHS recorded in 1983 at 'Monsters Of Rock' and 'Lovehunter'... Really you say that 'Ready An' Willing' is a Heavy Prog Related album?
Well... I have to look 'Ready An' Willing'!!! |
Ready An' Willing is a great album but I don't hear any Prog.
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: October 17 2008 at 12:51
Nightfly wrote:
Mandrakeroot wrote:
cacho wrote:
I consider the following Heavy Prog/Heavy Prog-Related : -Whitesnake: Ready An' Willing
Others... |
Uhm... I have 'Saints And Sinner', 'Live... In The Heart Of The City' (remaster with 'Live At Hammersmith') , the VHS recorded in 1983 at 'Monsters Of Rock' and 'Lovehunter'... Really you say that 'Ready An' Willing' is a Heavy Prog Related album?
Well... I have to look 'Ready An' Willing'!!! |
Ready An' Willing is a great album but I don't hear any Prog.
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Thanks for the clarification, although I must say that I totally agree with you, Nightfly!
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: October 17 2008 at 19:36
Nightfly wrote:
Mandrakeroot wrote:
cacho wrote:
I consider the following Heavy Prog/Heavy Prog-Related : -Whitesnake: Ready An' Willing
Others... |
Uhm... I have 'Saints And Sinner', 'Live... In The Heart Of The City' (remaster with 'Live At Hammersmith') , the VHS recorded in 1983 at 'Monsters Of Rock' and 'Lovehunter'... Really you say that 'Ready An' Willing' is a Heavy Prog Related album?
<DIV id=result_ dir=ltr>Well... I have to look 'Ready An' Willing'!!! |
Ready An' Willing is a great album but I don't hear any Prog.
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Shut it down! Saying that some albums or bands are Prog make some people buy them, then when they realise they're not, they won't throw them, and will start to appreciate it!
Yeah I know, though Ain't Gonna Cry No More is the nearest thing, I suppose, oh and She's A Woman! Great disc, but no Prog, I admit
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Posted By: Agemo
Date Posted: October 18 2008 at 10:13
Some of my favorites in this genre are: Hairy Chapter, Armaggedon, Gomorrha and Virus
------------- Dona Nobis Pacem
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: October 18 2008 at 10:33
Mandrakeroot wrote:
cacho wrote:
I consider the following Heavy Prog/Heavy Prog-Related : -Whitesnake: Ready An' Willing
Others... |
Uhm... I have 'Saints And Sinner', 'Live... In The Heart Of The City' (remaster with 'Live At Hammersmith') , the VHS recorded in 1983 at 'Monsters Of Rock' and 'Lovehunter'... Really you say that 'Ready An' Willing' is a Heavy Prog Related album?
Well... I have to look 'Ready An' Willing'!!! |
OK, guys, I love those Whitesnake albums, but I think that calling them even Prog-Related is a stretch. Though they're great records in the great British hard-blues tradition, their level of progressiveness is next to nil, in my humble opinion.
Edit: sorry, I didn't see the previous replies, which said more or less what I just wrote...
Anyway, I don't think it will come as a surprise to anyone that I am a big Deep Purple fan, and that I believe their relation to Prog is much stronger than 'just' Proto-Prog. I wonder how it can be that Uriah Heep are considered Heavy Prog, but DP are not... However, I have no intention of beating a dead horse here, since I am not even a Collab any longer.
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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: October 18 2008 at 10:46
http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=4029 - Climax . Excellent, Bolivian heavyprog added in the archives today.
Stream the full album http://sool4jo.tistory.com/426 - Gusano Mecanico from 1974. You won't regret it. One on the genres best imo.
------------- Over land and under ashes
In the sunlight, see - it flashes
Find a fly and eat his eye
But don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
Don't believe in me
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: October 18 2008 at 10:50
I think Mandrakeroot's intentions in starting this thread were admirable...
sandwiched in between Metal and mainstream Prog Rock, I think its a genre which sometimes fights for recognition, and could certainly do with the oxygen of publicity...
and yet, when a thread is started, we quickly turn our attentions to debates on the levels of progressiveness in Whitesnake's discography... now, c'mon folks, firstly Whitesnake are not, in any stretch of the imagination progressive, neither do they need any further recommendations...
I personally think that a far better use of this thread would be to try out some of the lesser known Heavy Prog bands, which are being added to PA's catalogue, appreciate their music, and make recommendations to each other...that way, we will be helping music at its grass roots.
Earlier on in this thread, I included a link to Every Other Fate. Why? because David will be adding the band this week, I have written the Bio up, and Uwe is presently reviewing their first 2 albums. Believe me, they are a very interesting and rewarding listen.
Now, if you would like to use this thread to highlight lesser known HP bands in a positive way, then you can count on my contribution...
If you want to count the ringlets in David Coverdale's 80's perm however...then I'm outta here...
------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: October 18 2008 at 10:52
Rocktopus wrote:
http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=4029 - Climax . Excellent, Bolivian heavyprog added in the archives today.
Stream the full album http://sool4jo.tistory.com/426 - Gusano Mecanico from 1974. You won't regret it. One on the genres best imo. |
A very fine case in point, Rocktopus...thank you for your timely post...
------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: October 18 2008 at 11:06
Well, as I was one of the original members of the HP team, I've added a number of new, exciting bands in this subgenre - none of them clones of the better-known Seventies bands, let alone having anything in common with Whitesnake. We also added a few forgotten bands from the original prog era, like Finnish act Elonkorjuu, female-fronted Fusion Orchestra, and Scottish band Bodkin. For all Hammond organ fans, the Australian band Cosmic Nomads is a must!
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: October 18 2008 at 12:17
Ghost Rider wrote:
Well, as I was one of the original members of the HP team, I've added a number of new, exciting bands in this subgenre |
which is why you're such an asset Raff...
and can teach some of us HP n00bs a thing or two...
------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: October 19 2008 at 06:49
Nice to see this thread
Excellent genre indeed.
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Posted By: avestin
Date Posted: October 19 2008 at 10:30
An instrumental heavy prog band I stumbled unto recently through their label (Forgotten Empire) is the CT, USA based band The Cargo Cult Revival (which I suggested for inclusion in Heavy prog, hence my mentioning it here).
Great heavy atmosphere with a cello to add to the special sound.
Links: http://www.myspace.com/theccr - www.myspace.com/theccr http://www.purevolume.com/thecargocultrevival - http://www.purevolume.com/thecargocultrevival http://www.last.fm/music/The+Cargo+Cult+Revival - http://www.last.fm/music/The+Cargo+Cult+Revival http://forgottenempirerecords.bigcartel.com/product/the-cargo-cult-revival-snakecharmer-cd - http://forgottenempirerecords.bigcartel.com/product/the-cargo-cult-revival-snakecharmer-cd http://forgottenempirerecords.bigcartel.com/product/the-cargo-cult-revival-debut-ep-limited-edition - http://forgottenempirerecords.bigcartel.com/product/the-cargo-cult-revival-debut-ep-limited-edition
------------- http://hangingsounds.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow - Hanging Sounds
http://www.progarchives.com/ProgRockShopping.asp" rel="nofollow - PA Index of prog music vendors
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: October 20 2008 at 05:40
i've a question for experts of this genre:
Are Queen in 70's a Heavy Prog Band?
I think yes... But... For You?
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: October 20 2008 at 06:57
^No.
And reasons later. Going to bed soonish.
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: October 23 2008 at 03:08
BUMP
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 23 2008 at 03:31
avestin wrote:
An instrumental heavy prog band I stumbled unto recently through their label (Forgotten Empire) is the CT, USA based band The Cargo Cult Revival (which I suggested for inclusion in Heavy prog, hence my mentioning it here).
Great heavy atmosphere with a cello to add to the special sound.
Links: http://www.myspace.com/theccr - www.myspace.com/theccr http://www.purevolume.com/thecargocultrevival - http://www.purevolume.com/thecargocultrevival http://www.last.fm/music/The+Cargo+Cult+Revival - http://www.last.fm/music/The+Cargo+Cult+Revival http://forgottenempirerecords.bigcartel.com/product/the-cargo-cult-revival-snakecharmer-cd - http://forgottenempirerecords.bigcartel.com/product/the-cargo-cult-revival-snakecharmer-cd http://forgottenempirerecords.bigcartel.com/product/the-cargo-cult-revival-debut-ep-limited-edition - http://forgottenempirerecords.bigcartel.com/product/the-cargo-cult-revival-debut-ep-limited-edition
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to be added soon !
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Posted By: npjnpj
Date Posted: October 23 2008 at 04:46
Just listening to the Jeff Loomis solo album 'Zero Order Phase'. One phantastic album!
Before I charge ahead and suugest them: Do you agree on adding Nevermore to PA?
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 23 2008 at 04:56
^ real decent band, they were not accepted by ProgMetal and I can't say they really fit HevyProg but I'll run it by the guys
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: October 23 2008 at 05:18
Nevermore is metal anyway.. certainly not suitable for heavy prrog. They aren't really all that progressive for the most part, but their music shows a clear nod to progressive influences. Seeing them in prog related would be cool (also considering the fact many prog metal bands cite them as an influence), but wouldn't be surprised if they were rejected for that. That said, I think This Godless Endeavour was the best metal album to be released in 2005 (yes. even beating prog metal releases IMO).
And Jeff Loomis... a big influence on my playing.
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: October 23 2008 at 05:47
Seen the reactions to Metallica's addition, I'm afraid further metal additions to prog-related are not likely to happen soon. Unfortunately, it seems there are lots of people around who aren't capable of expressing disagreement without resorting to name-calling or personal attacks.
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: October 23 2008 at 05:55
Ghost Rider wrote:
Unfortunately, it seems there are lots of people around who aren't capable of expressing disagreement without resorting to name-calling or personal attacks. |
which is why we need your wisdom, maturity and steadying influence around here, Raff....
------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: October 23 2008 at 11:29
Today i hear this band:
Sweet sl*g
http://images.google.com.mx/imgres?imgurl=http://bp1.blogger.com/_djGjgTTMaxI/RkyTIVN6E4I/AAAAAAAAANQ/mPLgDEgejbM/s320/front.jpg&imgrefurl=http://my-favouriterecords.blogspot.com/2007/05/sweet-sl*g-tacking-with-close-ups-1971.html&h=315&w=320&sz=37&hl=es&start=2&sig2=xNrmJ_pEc7XFOFEPZQJsUg&usg=__XU45mROBgghAM71feoETGgyEm6o=&tbnid=BH7Qv24QQeL6MM:&tbnh=116&tbnw=118&ei=PpgASfbbOJjovAXQz-SdDg&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsweet%2Bsl*g%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Des%26sa%3DG">
Sounds Heavy prog or proto progresive to me
Any opinions?
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: October 24 2008 at 03:50
Raff wrote:
Seen the reactions to Metallica's addition, I'm afraid further metal additions to prog-related are not likely to happen soon. Unfortunately, it seems there are lots of people around who aren't capable of expressing disagreement without resorting to name-calling or personal attacks. |
Personally, I had many doubts about the presence of Metallica in PA. But I must say that Metallica are not so distant from some Prog Metal... We can stay in PA... Metallica are not so out of place... Of course, in Prog Related!
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Posted By: big.mo
Date Posted: October 24 2008 at 11:02
Hi there!
I would like to focus the attention on two bands: TOOL and DRAGONFORCE.
The first is a wonderful example of post metal-prog, dark and blue enough to make people think about different sounds and the beauty of them. Listen to them many and many times as they are quite tough and not easy at all. And after that try to get them out of your mind if you can!
The second is a perfect reprentative of power metal with a noteworthy harmonic part, despite thousands beats per minute, and epic lyrics which can easily been included in a prog rock contest. Listen to them as well and you will see.
Cheers
------------- Prog Doc
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Posted By: cannibalcam
Date Posted: October 25 2008 at 17:38
everyone has forgot to mention czar. the first 2 tunes on that album are heavy and catchy as sh*t. the rest can be thrown out.
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: October 25 2008 at 18:54
Raff wrote:
Mandrakeroot wrote:
cacho wrote:
I consider the following Heavy Prog/Heavy Prog-Related : -Whitesnake: Ready An' Willing
Others... |
Uhm... I have 'Saints And Sinner', 'Live... In The Heart Of The City' (remaster with 'Live At Hammersmith') , the VHS recorded in 1983 at 'Monsters Of Rock' and 'Lovehunter'... Really you say that 'Ready An' Willing' is a Heavy Prog Related album?
<div id="result_" dir="ltr">Well... I have to look 'Ready An' Willing'!!! | OK, guys, I love those Whitesnake albums, but I think that calling them even Prog-Related is a stretch. Though they're great records in the great British hard-blues tradition, their level of progressiveness is next to nil, in my humble opinion.Edit: sorry, I didn't see the previous replies, which said more or less what I just wrote...Anyway, I don't think it will come as a surprise to anyone that I am a big Deep Purple fan, and that I believe their relation to Prog is much stronger than 'just' Proto-Prog. I wonder how it can be that Uriah Heep are considered Heavy Prog, but DP are not... However, I have no intention of beating a dead horse here, since I am not even a Collab any longer. |
Yeah, Deep Purple can really be considered Heavy Prog. Fireball, Machine Head, Burn, Come Taste the Band(Heavy Funk Prog, lol).
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: October 26 2008 at 02:36
Pablo, moving DP to Heavy Prog would result in a lot of unrest here on the forums. When I suggested the move last year, I was told that I wanted to 'rewrite history' (perish the thought!), and at present I can't take any hassle. However, yesterday was listening to the Lucifer's Friend samples available on this site, and couldn't help wondering why they are listed as HP, and DP are not. They certainly didn't sound that different. Oh, well, I suppose that's life for you.... Sometimes you have to accept that certain things just aren't going to happen.
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: October 26 2008 at 02:58
Raff wrote:
Pablo, moving DP to Heavy Prog would result in a lot of unrest here on the forums. When I suggested the move last year, I was told that I wanted to 'rewrite history' (perish the thought!), and at present I can't take any hassle. However, yesterday was listening to the Lucifer's Friend samples available on this site, and couldn't help wondering why they are listed as HP, and DP are not. They certainly didn't sound that different. Oh, well, I suppose that's life for you.... Sometimes you have to accept that certain things just aren't going to happen. |
I have 1970 http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=5103 - Lucifer’s Friend
But... Well... This album is a photocopy of DP style! I agree with you Raff! Or we consider DP Heavy Prog or is it better to consider DP only a Heavy Rock / Hard Rock band!
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 26 2008 at 03:24
^ this band was added well before Heavy Prog existed - when it was part of ArtRock - and there is no guarantee Lucifer's Friend would have been added now
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: October 26 2008 at 03:37
That is true, and the same, I suppose, is true for the likes of Babe Ruth. I hope you understand that I don't want to stir anything up here, just to respond to people who share my opinion. We have had enough proof that some members can't behave civilly when faced by something unexpected, and the last thing I need now is to deal with a PA uprising.
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: October 26 2008 at 06:51
Raff wrote:
That is true, and the same, I suppose, is true for the likes of Babe Ruth. I hope you understand that I don't want to stir anything up here, just to respond to people who share my opinion. We have had enough proof that some members can't behave civilly when faced by something unexpected, and the last thing I need now is to deal with a PA uprising. |
This is true... This is the problem... !!!
Because you see... More I listening to Led Zep... More I realize that they are excellent in Heavy Prog ... But even this is only my observation ... Only one of my precise ideas about Heavy Prog genre ... What I say here and I want to clarify ... Without other intents!
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: October 26 2008 at 06:55
Because this is a great band from Slovenija I recommended (with the help of my review):
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=19252"> |
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=19252 - Raskorak
by http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=3902 - OKO |
The only problem with this band is coming from Slovenia, or better, I guess that comes from the Former Yugoslavia. More precisely from Ljubljana. This has not contributed to international success of Oko, made up of Pavel Kavec (guitar, vocals), Tone Dimnik (drums) and Franjo Martinec (bass). Others do not know, except that this Raskorak is 1976. The CD is a production of Pavel Kavec of December 1998. Music can be defined as heavy prog psychedelic symphonic, at times similar to Eloy 'Dawn', 'Rocka Rolla' of Judas Priest of 'Saxon' of Saxon, stretches sufficiently close to Hawkwind (although only as a concept, although 'Hej Mala' will use the effects of laser shots that make 100% Hawkwind!). Other times are totally heavy Rock, other times blues (obviously have heard the Bijelo Dugme in the composition of 'Sam Sam', blues ballad, all sung in falsetto).
See here and there I can say that the intro of the songs (where they can define these) are very psychedelic. Then the songs become very heavy rock, as linear in the performance. The many drums fill and use of rhythms other than 4 / 4 shall include Oko in Prog field. 'Hoces Li Sa Mnom' presents all these elements and could be a song of Eloy. Unfortunately, the recording is not optimal and that, while he ruined the production, has helped to make the songs even more powerful. Clearly, if that synthesizers are put into the second floor and thus the funky heavy rock 'Sve Sam Ti Dao' loses the minimum sinfonicity making it too similar to a demo version. Things that I like very much! With regard to the Prog trials, in the case of this CD they are all enclosed in 'Theme IV', good funky jazz. At this point it should be said that the CD seems product using the original master, even if 'Baj Baj' seems poured on this CD from an acetate.
Special moment of 'Raskorak' CD are the 5 bonus track! Even outside from Great Britain this is who was kept tapes of radio and TV appearances so that they can reuse a day. Thus 2 songs are from television appearances and 3 by radio session, of course from Slovenian Radio and TV .
In conclusion... 'Raskorak' is certainly not a CD that blasts in the armchair. However 'Raskorak' is a CD that makes us go an hour of pleasure in listening to good music. What is also sufficiently technical, well written and well arranged, as well as designed really well.
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: October 26 2008 at 20:21
I see that in John Paul Jones album (the 2001 album) plays also Adam Bomb!
I see Adam Bomb in concert... Great Singer/ axeman and Bomb musical style is a pure Glam Metal... In that concert Adam Bomb plays in support to Anoy Rocks! I have two Cd and one MC atographed by himself!!!
Great music... Adam Bomb!!!
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Posted By: Bunburyist
Date Posted: October 27 2008 at 12:50
Whitesnake nane th' less. Blimey!
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'ard/ 'eavy prog/proggish ban's , they'em be legioon.
'ere's a few thart coomb ter mynd dis minute. (Nort necessarilay torp-'ole ban's , bur regardlesh....):
Banshee - ainnlay th'secundt lp ( muckle rarer den fust)
Davis & lowe - prototype '78 US
Jordi Covek (yugoland)
Gleemen (weel, mebbe mair oanneur psych side o' spectrumm?)
Bram Stoker- 'eavy rock spectacular
Flower travellin' Ban' - satori
Tha's chust scraggin' th' soorface, jimmehs.
(yew wans mair, yew gie uz dollah.)
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Posted By: Bunburyist
Date Posted: October 27 2008 at 12:51
Greyt newish ban' - ABRAMIS BRAHMA (sweden)
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Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: October 27 2008 at 13:20
Yes, heavy prog i love this subgenre, many bands that i like and some of them really love are from early 70' s when heavy prog were in golden era. An underrated band who playes vintage heavy prog is Master's Apprentices, I really love this band, among others. Another bands that i like are Uriah Heep, AFT, Odin , etc and another lost one with Ken Hensley on keys Weed from 1971, must check this one, i will look to be added on heavy prog soon.
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: October 28 2008 at 05:00
Ken Hensley solo is HP?!?
Great news!
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Posted By: weetabix
Date Posted: October 28 2008 at 06:46
How do you like your prog? Overnight of labeled?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhV3fkB2eUM&feature=related - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhV3fkB2eUM&feature=related
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Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: October 28 2008 at 06:52
Mandrakeroot wrote:
Ken Hensley solo is HP?!?
Great news! |
What do you mean HP?????
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: October 28 2008 at 06:54
b_olariu wrote:
Mandrakeroot wrote:
Ken Hensley solo is HP?!?
Great news! |
What do you mean HP????? |
HP?!?
HHHHHHHHHHeeeeeeeeaaaavvvvvvvvyyyyyyyyy PPPPPPPPPrrrrrrrrrrooooooooogggggggg!!!
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Posted By: b_olariu
Date Posted: October 28 2008 at 08:03
Mandrakeroot wrote:
b_olariu wrote:
Mandrakeroot wrote:
Ken Hensley solo is HP?!?
Great news! |
What do you mean HP????? |
HP?!?
HHHHHHHHHHeeeeeeeeaaaavvvvvvvvyyyyyyyyy PPPPPPPPPrrrrrrrrrrooooooooogggggggg!!!
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well yes, man i'm a dude
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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: October 28 2008 at 12:59
Mandrakeroot wrote:
Ken Hensley solo is HP?!?
Great news! |
Well i think that his work is HP but i send some samples of his first two albums to David (Atavacharon) and said to me that he don't see any HP to be added
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Posted By: el dingo
Date Posted: October 29 2008 at 04:42
Mandrakeroot wrote:
Ken Hensley solo is HP?!?
Great news! |
I've only got Proud Words but I reckon it leans as close to Country in places as it does to HP!
Love Cold Autumn Sunday - best track on album by a mile.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: October 29 2008 at 15:24
Could someone please recommend to me more music like Maxwell's Demon in Heavy prog, because I think it is excellent. http://www.myspace.com/therealmaxwellsdemon - http://www.myspace.com/therealmaxwellsdemon
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../album.asp?id=6798 - Prometheus
by ../artist.asp?id=1430 - MAXWELL'S DEMON
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Review
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(john davie)
Prog Reviewer
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I can't tell you how impressive this piece of music is! It's one song
almost 39 minutes long called "Prometheus".This is an all instrumental
work consisting of mellotron,flute,guitar,bass,drums,keyboards,organ
and more. This is very complex music that is very intense. In the liner
notes the band specifically thanks "ANGLAGARD for inspiring this
project".And certainly that is who i thought of most of the time i
listened to this amazing work, as well as SINKADUS.I guess SINKADUS
because of the flute and the sombre and melancholic mood that permeates
the sound. A word on the name of the band, which was inspired by an
imaginary creature that mathematician James Maxwell created to
contradict the second law of thermodynamics.Yeah,it's sort of
complicated just like their music.The music doesn't have the type of
melody that your going to be tapping your toes too,but it's more made
up of intense arrangements that change constantly and leave you saying
wow! I felt it was like enjoying a gourmet meal made up of many
delicacies that were being served to me in different ways for almost 40
minutes.You know what i mean? Hearing the same sounds being arranged
differently throughout the song.
The song starts off with flute,odd metered drumming and organ.Mellotron
comes in after 3 minutes.The song pretty much stops and slowly rises 4
minutes in with flute and organ.We get a full sound 5 minutes in and
the drum/organ interplay is outstanding as the song begins to
accellerate. 8 minutes in the song pretty much stops again as eerie and
haunting flute sounds arrive.The guitar gently and slowly plays as
drums come in rising to a breif full sound.Mellotron 10 minutes in and
more gentle guitar.A full sound arrives before 12 minutes, then it
calms down again with flute leading the way.SINKADUS comes to mind
here.The guitar sounds mournful as mellotron comes back before the
tempo picks up.We get about a 5 minute section of steady drums with
variations of flute,guitar and organ.Check out the mellotron 21 minutes
in!Marching style drums a minute later before more mellotron 24 minutes
in.The song almost stops again 26 minutes in and rises with mellotron
and a catchy drum,guitar and organ melody.30 minutes in the song calms
down as we get a spooky,haunting mellotron and flute passage. The song
picks up tempo before 35 minutes with flute,organ and drums leading the
way.Now it's time to take a shower! Intense!!
I am so surprised that this record isn't more popular in prog
circles.This is the definition of prog.
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: October 30 2008 at 14:03
I recommended this album with my review:
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http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=7808 - Sea Shanties
by http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1659 - HIGH TIDE |
Probably a masterpiece, maybe a Proto Prog Metal album. 'Sea Shanties' is, also today, a good album. But 'Sea Shanties' is good because the music is good. Is false to speak that 'Sea Shanties' be good because electric violin & electric guitar plays only rhythmic soli because wrote with false twin parts.
In my opinion 'Sea Shanties' is a good Rock album in Prog field. Not every minute of this album speak another language. Expression of the new Heavy Rock, 'Sea Shanties' is an album with a big soul. From the first song ('Futilist's Lament') is clear that 'Sea Shanties' is an innovative album. The particular sound of violin and guitar transform the High Tide music in a kind of Doom Metal, without being heavy as in the case of Black Sabbath, a song like 'Futilist's Lament'. Also the rest of the songs are good, also if too technical and complex. This fact is good but today is also a problem. In fact, the songs are not aged well as should have. This makes a difference if we consider the album for a correct value. I love music that transmits emotions (and in 'Sea Shanties' there are very manyemotions) but listen to songs not aged well is not the maximum, for me. This fact is important but not fundamental in 'Sea Shanties' because High Tide seem to have managed to transform what is a defect typical of the emerging Heavy Prog (and Heavy Rock) and able to turn it into the honor. In this sense I think that a song like 'Nowhere' is a clear example.
In definitive 'Sea Shanties' is a good album. Not a masterpiece. Today 'Sea Shanties' is saved from his sound, based on a twin electric violin and electric guitar. Because for the rest 'Sea Shanties' is a typical album of Heavy Rock in Prog field.
And also this CD, always with my review:
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=19127"> |
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=19127 - The Devil's Answer
by http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1290 - ATOMIC ROOSTER |
I suppose that 'the Devil's Answer' is good to classified as a 'Studio Album' and not as compilation because the sound is similar, too similar, in all songs and except for 'Devil's Answer' that is a live recording the songs are from some demo recordings (but with great quality... Not recordings because... Live in studio!).
Said this the songs are... Well... The live version of 'Devil's Answer' is more metal than the original because with new arrengements and, for this motive, with new great power. 'Play It Again' is a good song. Nott perfect, with new Wave passages but 100% Rooster. I not love this song. But in general 'Play It Again' is more than good. 'Tomorrow Night' is present in a new version. But at the end, too similar to the original. 'Control you' is a good Heavy Metal song with fuzz guitar, organ and drums... A perfect NWOBHM song! 'Oh She, Oh She's My Woman' is a pure Rock. But great for power and writing. With few arrengements 'Oh She, Oh She's My Woman' is a pure adrenaline song. 'Who's looking For You' is a perfect Post Punk song with great organ from Crane and great power. Not a simple song 'Who's looking For You' is a perfect song for a Rock discoteque because have also a dance flavour! 'Lose Your mind' is a great song. In a word... Masterpiece. 'Lose Your Mind' is a pure downlowd of adrenaline. Great Crane and Du Cann in this 'Lose Your Mind', exceptional Rock with (also) a great drums. Because it is true... Atomic Rooster is one of the fathers of Heavy Metal and prog Metal! 'I Don't need You Anymore' is a pure Street/ Glam Metal song a la Motley Crue/ Twister Sister but not for this fact 'I Don't Need You Anymore' isn't Prog... Because have a great Romantic/ Symphonic/ Neoclassic Crane organ! 'He Did It Again' is a pure post Punk song but with another great organ parts and a pure Heavy Metal guitar solo! 'He Did It Again' is an unfortunately song because at y warning 'He Did It Again' could represent a new way to please the Prog to large masses in the early 80's! 'The Show'... A clear Punk song from a Du Cann Crane penned... A perfect contamination between pure Prog Rock (in Heavy Prog field), Heavy Prog, Punk, New Wave and Heavy Metal... in a sentence: 'The Show' is a pure motorhead song! 'Hold It Through The Night' is another Heavy Metal song but with Prog treatment. In fact the guitar is Heavy, the drums is Metal but the music is a strange Blues Rock that tranform this song in a Prog song. Another contaminated song, also if 'Hold It Through The Night' is a pure Rooster song. 'No Change By Me' close this album. Also 'No Change By Me' is Rock... In my opinion 'No Change By Me' is a pure and perfect Rock song. And, always in my opinion, 'No Change By Me' is also a perfect Rooster example of power and passion!
Is clear that this CD deserve a great attention. First because is an example of an unfortunately period for Crane and Rooster but characterized by an inspiration and a joy to produce music that I have not found in the production of the 70's. That the birth of Heavy Metal and NWOBHM are responsables of this new power for Crane and Du Cann... I do not able to know. But is tangible able to see that this power and joy that are fired in our minds so we are flooded by the joy of pure pleasure to listen and be part of this great party.
So 5 stars are the correct view for 'The Devil's Answer' album. Fans of Rooster and Heavy Prog... And also of Prog Metal... This CD is for You!
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: October 30 2008 at 14:08
Another my reccomendation... Not proper Heavy Prog... But Heavy Prog because some songs... Also this with my review:
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=12019"> |
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=12019 - Mike Portnoy: Prime Cuts
by http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=211 - LIQUID TENSION EXPERIMENT |
My review is produced using this release: Magna Carta MAX-1004-2
Rating: 7,5/10
I bought this promotional compilation because Mike Portnoy is one of my all time preferred drummer. But, I prefer to admit it beyond every possible misunderstanding, The Liquid Tension experiment not pleases me. So this compilation for me have extreme good moment. In the Power Prog Metal/ Classic Metal of "Mad March" (from "Andy West with Rama's "Rama 1") Mike is unique. This isn't a simple performance in a simple song. This is THE drum performing. This is Jazz, Blues, Rock, Heavy Metal... this is pure dreaming performance. Good is also the ballad "Freedom Of Speech" (from "Liquid Tension Experiment") because is a Santana guitar with piano teo driven instrument song. In this song Mike plays a simple partiture. In my opinion another great performing. Good also "Acid Rain" but too cold for me (not Mike!!!). "Endless Enigma" (from "Encores, Legend and Paradox (Tribute to ELP)") is forced song also in original but in this version is too forced. Obviously Mike not helped to not forced this song. Because Mike forced all the song that played. But in positive manner. So "Working Man" and the summarized of "By-Tor And The Snow Dog" (both from "Working Man (Tribute to Rush)" are great. Another great Mike performing in these two Prog (and Heavy Metal) evergreen. But, in general, this promotional vcompilation confirm that Mike is the new Cozy Powell or Carl Palmer.
Is only a promotional compilation. But Mike Portnoy is Mike Portnoy and for me the Mike's drumming is from Hell!!! If you love Mike Portnoy this is a great compilation. If you love the drum... This is a great compilation. In every case Mike Portnoy is the new God of drums!!!
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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: October 30 2008 at 14:09
Well MandrakeRoot Shea Shanties is an excellent album!! that's for sure
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: October 30 2008 at 15:51
Mandrakeroot, I'm not sure if that High Tide and Atomic Rooster recommendation was a specific response to my looking for something in Heavy Prog similar to Maxwell's Demon request (probably not, it was just that that post directly followed my request), but I want to say that Sea Shanties is one of my absolute favourite classic heavy prog albums (and the follow-up album by High Tide is awesome). Good review, incidentally. Atomic Rooster has great stuff too.
This was my favourite in heavy prog at one time. One that is not well-regarded by quite a few reviewers:
1975
../album.asp?id=5082 - Plastic People
3.55
(15 ratings)
../Collaborators.asp?id=1883 - ZowieZiggy
(Daniel)
PROG REVIEWER
This is the very first time that “Birth Control” almost sounds as “Genesis” during some (short) moments.
Like in the opening number which is surprisingly similar to some early work of this great band (“Genesis” I
mean).
Keyboards especially sounds as Tony’s one. I must say that it is the very first time that such a relation is
to be noticed with “Birth Control”. And it is difficult to ignore because this opening number is very good.But the worse is immediately taking the role: “Tiny Flashlights” is some kind of awful disco beat oriented
track. I have to admit that this album is rather bizarre. Songs feature several moods within a song. Did I
say, a song within a song? But these are shy of this great “Camel” one. This album is really going nowhere with “My Mind”. Disjointed, uninspired and useless. The accordingly
titled “Rockin' Rollin' Roller” is somewhat better. An upbeat psychedelia song. Not a superb one, but
compared to the other songs so far, it is shining OK. This album truly starts with “Trial Trip”. The heavy beat, so typical is finally there. But this is the last but
one good song from this release. Probably a bit too late to make this one a good album. This song
features BRILLIANT moments (but so short ones). The instrumental second half is such a magical moment.
Fabulous guitar solo, really. How is this possible? Brilliant and so weak during the same album. Did the
band do this on purpose? The wind section is also too much present to please me. I don’t really like this album. Just average. Soul
oriented during the closing number : “This Song Is Just for You”. I can tell you that it is definitely NOT for
me. Probably a casting mistake… This sounds more as poor Motown tune than to a prog one… Two stars.
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: October 30 2008 at 17:00
fandango wrote:
and yet, when a thread is started, we quickly turn our attentions to debates on the levels of progressiveness in Whitesnake's discography... now, c'mon folks, firstly Whitesnake are not, in any stretch of the imagination progressive, neither do they need any further recommendations...
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I'm sure you haven't heard Lovehunter and Ready an' Willing, and if you have you should definitely realise that these albums are highly recomended for Deep Purple fans from MK 3 and 4. If you haven't heard them, please don't bash the band just for their junky side of the 80's.
It would be like bashing Genesis or Yes just considering their 80's albums, and that would be so mistaken.
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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: October 30 2008 at 17:24
Yes Lovehunter, Trouble and Ready and Willing have prog elements and check out Vampire's Blues, from Trouble
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: October 30 2008 at 20:28
zafreth wrote:
Yes Lovehunter, Trouble and Ready and Willing have prog elements and check out Vampire's Blues, from Trouble |
Yeah Vampire's Blues is an awesome song. I also enjoy Come an' Get It, though from there you start listening to A LOT of 'cliches', and well Saints & Sinners is like a compilation of the previous 4 just with different lyrics
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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: October 30 2008 at 20:30
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: October 30 2008 at 20:46
cacho wrote:
fandango wrote:
and yet, when a thread is started, we quickly turn our attentions to debates on the levels of progressiveness in Whitesnake's discography... now, c'mon folks, firstly Whitesnake are not, in any stretch of the imagination progressive, neither do they need any further recommendations...
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I'm sure you haven't heard Lovehunter and Ready an' Willing, and if you have you should definitely realise that these albums are highly recomended for Deep Purple fans from MK 3 and 4. If you haven't heard them, please don't bash the band just for their junky side of the 80's.
It would be like bashing Genesis or Yes just considering their 80's albums, and that would be so mistaken.
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*wags finger at you*
bad move brother... Jared has been listening to this stuff since your parents were kids Pablo. Never assume that a member.. and especially a a collab who gain collab status since they tend to know music pretty well.... speak on groups and albums if they haven't heard them. The quickest way to look the fool is to shoot your mouth off and you haven't heard it.
don't mistake not agreeing with not having heard.... you wouldn't do that to Raff now would you.. trust me.. she has hard them all...
Raff wrote:
OK, guys, I love those Whitesnake albums, but I think that
calling them even Prog-Related is a stretch. Though they're great
records in the great British hard-blues tradition,their level of
progressiveness is next to nil, in my humble opinion.
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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: October 30 2008 at 21:14
and what about Leaf hound, wonderful band do you agree??
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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: October 30 2008 at 21:19
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: October 31 2008 at 06:28
Logan wrote:
Mandrakeroot, I'm not sure if that High Tide and Atomic Rooster recommendation was a specific response to my looking for something in Heavy Prog similar to Maxwell's Demon request (probably not, it was just that that post directly followed my request), but I want to say that Sea Shanties is one of my absolute favourite classic heavy prog albums (and the follow-up album by High Tide is awesome). Good review, incidentally. Atomic Rooster has great stuff too.
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I just wanted to give advice on good collectible album!
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Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: October 31 2008 at 06:30
Heavy Prog! Wooooo!
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: October 31 2008 at 06:33
zafreth wrote:
and what about Leaf hound, wonderful band do you agree?? |
Today I will purchase 'Freelance fiend\Too many rock'n'roll times' (7" single from 2005). It is not the maximum but... I am sure that I like it. It is a live single!
Then I will know what I will think about Leaf Hound!
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Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: October 31 2008 at 11:02
I've heard that "Growers Of Mushroom" in it's original print is worth several hundred pounds by now.
Hey Andrea, I noticed you had Fuzzy Duck on earlier - did they print that on cd?
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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: October 31 2008 at 13:17
King By-Tor wrote:
I've heard that "Growers Of Mushroom" in it's original print is worth several hundred pounds by now.
Hey Andrea, I noticed you had Fuzzy Duck on earlier - did they print that on cd? |
Now that this go to Andrea but i been to step my nose and answer you.
Yes the Fuzzy duck is on CD, i believe that BGO records had a reissue
And Repertoire Records too.
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: October 31 2008 at 13:20
Mandrakeroot wrote:
Logan wrote:
Mandrakeroot, I'm not sure if that High Tide and Atomic Rooster recommendation was a specific response to my looking for something in Heavy Prog similar to Maxwell's Demon request (probably not, it was just that that post directly followed my request), but I want to say that Sea Shanties is one of my absolute favourite classic heavy prog albums (and the follow-up album by High Tide is awesome). Good review, incidentally. Atomic Rooster has great stuff too.
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I just wanted to give advice on good collectible album! |
They're good recommendations!
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Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: October 31 2008 at 13:27
zafreth wrote:
King By-Tor wrote:
I've heard that "Growers Of Mushroom" in it's original print is worth several hundred pounds by now.
Hey Andrea, I noticed you had Fuzzy Duck on earlier - did they print that on cd? |
Now that this go to Andrea but i been to step my nose and answer you.
Yes the Fuzzy duck is on CD, i believe that BGO records had a reissue
And Repertoire Records too. |
Ah yeah. Repertoire is great for that! I have some Atomic Rooster remastered by them and I've seen Begger's Opera and that kind of stuff. Thanks for the tip
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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: October 31 2008 at 13:29
King By-Tor wrote:
zafreth wrote:
King By-Tor wrote:
I've heard that "Growers Of Mushroom" in it's original print is worth several hundred pounds by now.
Hey Andrea, I noticed you had Fuzzy Duck on earlier - did they print that on cd? |
Now that this go to Andrea but i been to step my nose and answer you.
Yes the Fuzzy duck is on CD, i believe that BGO records had a reissue
And Repertoire Records too. |
Ah yeah. Repertoire is great for that! I have some Atomic Rooster remastered by them and I've seen Begger's Opera and that kind of stuff. Thanks for the tip
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Yes that label have very good cd's i onw many of them
and you're welcome
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: October 31 2008 at 19:33
zafreth wrote:
King By-Tor wrote:
zafreth wrote:
King By-Tor wrote:
I've heard that "Growers Of Mushroom" in it's original print is worth several hundred pounds by now.
Hey Andrea, I noticed you had Fuzzy Duck on earlier - did they print that on cd? |
Now that this go to Andrea but i been to step my nose and answer you.
Yes the Fuzzy duck is on CD, i believe that BGO records had a reissue
And Repertoire Records too. |
Ah yeah. Repertoire is great for that! I have some Atomic Rooster remastered by them and I've seen Begger's Opera and that kind of stuff. Thanks for the tip
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Yes that label have very good cd's i onw many of them
and you're welcome |
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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: October 31 2008 at 19:44
BTW guys did you heard this album:
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: October 31 2008 at 20:11
micky wrote:
cacho wrote:
fandango wrote:
and yet, when a thread is started, we quickly turn our attentions to debates on the levels of progressiveness in Whitesnake's discography... now, c'mon folks, firstly Whitesnake are not, in any stretch of the imagination progressive, neither do they need any further recommendations...
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I'm sure you haven't heard Lovehunter and Ready an' Willing, and if you have you should definitely realise that these albums are highly recomended for Deep Purple fans from MK 3 and 4. If you haven't heard them, please don't bash the band just for their junky side of the 80's.
It would be like bashing Genesis or Yes just considering their 80's albums, and that would be so mistaken.
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Raff wrote:
OK, guys, I love those Whitesnake albums, but I think that
calling them even Prog-Related is a stretch. Though they're great
records in the great British hard-blues tradition,their level of
progressiveness is next to nil, in my humble opinion. |
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My suggestion on Whitesnake being "Heavy Prog related" was just a joke for some.
While the "discussion" with Fandango(Jared) isn't. From what you said, he should have known more than me, saying that Whitesnake is highly recomendable for Deep Purple fans from MK 3 and 4, talking about their early era, which Raff talked well. And I was just supposing that he hadn't heard them, and even I said if HE HAS he must know they're highly recomendable, etc, etc...
Anyways, listening to Octavarium, not heavy Prog but sort of When it's finished I'll grab Demons & Wizards
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: November 01 2008 at 02:34
cacho wrote:
My suggestion on Whitesnake being "Heavy Prog related" was just a joke for some. While the "discussion" with Fandango(Jared) isn't. From what you said, he should have known more than me, saying that Whitesnake is highly recomendable for Deep Purple fans from MK 3 and 4, talking about their early era, which Raff talked well. And I was just supposing that he hadn't heard them, and even I said if HE HAS he must know they're highly recomendable, etc, etc...
Anyways, listening to Octavarium, not heavy Prog but sort of When it's finished I'll grab Demons & Wizards |
Yes, Whitesnake are for DP MK III and MK IV fans... Also because DP's 'Come Taste The Band' is the first Whitesnake album (for style).
But I think that Rainbow (because first 4 albums are HP) and Ian Gillan Band (3 studio and 1 live album in totally Jazz Prog Rock field) are better for a Progster!
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: November 01 2008 at 02:38
Hey... Another good album (and band)... In Psychedelic heavy Prog is this:
JUNIOR'S EYES: 'BATTERSEA POWER STATION'
featuring: Rick Wakeman
This is the backing band of David Bowie's 'Space Oddity'!
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: November 01 2008 at 03:30
zafreth wrote:
BTW guys did you heard this album:
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Hard Meat! Yes, we even assessed the band for Heavy Prog, but didn't find them satisfactory enough for addition. Anyway, it would've been worth adding them just to see the reactions to the name. Another good one we evaluated was Head Machine.
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 01 2008 at 03:37
I distinctly remember being relieved when we decided Hard Meat was not prog enough to be added
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Posted By: Raff
Date Posted: November 01 2008 at 03:39
Well, David, think of what a splash we would've made by adding both Hard Meat and Head Machine.... HP would've definitely become PA's most X-rated subgenre!
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Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: November 01 2008 at 05:19
cacho wrote:
fandango wrote:
and yet, when a thread is started, we quickly turn our attentions to debates on the levels of progressiveness in Whitesnake's discography... now, c'mon folks, firstly Whitesnake are not, in any stretch of the imagination progressive, neither do they need any further recommendations...
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I'm sure you haven't heard Lovehunter and Ready an' Willing, and if you have you should definitely realise that these albums are highly recomended for Deep Purple fans from MK 3 and 4. If you haven't heard them, please don't bash the band just for their junky side of the 80's. It would be like bashing Genesis or Yes just considering their 80's albums, and that would be so mistaken.
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oh good grief, Cacho....
You can't have been brought up liking Rock music in the UK, and be of a *certain* age without having heard Whitesmake's discography...truly inescapable, and yes, I've heard it all at one time or another and owned most of it, even though I admit they were never a favourite of mine...
I said absolutely nothing about them in relation to whether they would be enjoyed by fans of DP Mk 3 or not (and yes, I see an argument for Trouble, Lovehunter & R&W containing some of the bluesy progressiveness of Burn & Stormbringer, but with a generally harder edge) ...only that as a band, their discography cannot be considered as being 'progressive'.
But, all that is besides the point, because what I wouldn't want to see is for the initial idea behind this thread being subverted to become an debate on the possible progressiveness of generally accepted non-prog bands, which have had a terrific amount of exposure and album sales over the past 30 years. It would be a pointless waste of an opportunity.
my (obviously misinterpreted) quip about Coverdale was a suggestion that there are many other, newer bands out there, which truly fit into the HP category, which certainly could do with the exposure. And if a thread entitled 'Heavy Prog (and related) appreciated thread' isn't the place for that to happen, then I really don't know where, on this godforsaken forum, such a place can exist...
Right, that's truly enough on Whitesnake...
------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson
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Posted By: el dingo
Date Posted: November 01 2008 at 12:27
Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: November 03 2008 at 19:20
and what do you thing about this album: Jerusalem 1972 UK Band
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: November 03 2008 at 19:28
fandango wrote:
cacho wrote:
fandango wrote:
and yet, when a thread is started, we quickly turn our attentions to debates on the levels of progressiveness in Whitesnake's discography... now, c'mon folks, firstly Whitesnake are not, in any stretch of the imagination progressive, neither do they need any further recommendations...
| I'm sure you haven't heard Lovehunter and Ready an' Willing, and if you have you should definitely realise that these albums are highly recomended for Deep Purple fans from MK 3 and 4. If you haven't heard them, please don't bash the band just for their junky side of the 80's. It would be like bashing Genesis or Yes just considering their 80's albums, and that would be so mistaken. |
oh good grief, Cacho....
You can't have been brought up liking Rock music in the UK, and be of a *certain* age without having heard Whitesmake's discography...truly inescapable, and yes, I've heard it all at one time or another and owned most of it, even though I admit they were never a favourite of mine...
I said absolutely nothing about them in relation to whether they would be enjoyed by fans of DP Mk 3 or not (and yes, I see an argument for Trouble, Lovehunter & R&W containing some of the bluesy progressiveness of Burn & Stormbringer, but with a generally harder edge) ...only that as a band, their discography cannot be considered as being 'progressive'.
But, all that is besides the point, because what I wouldn't want to see is for the initial idea behind this thread being subverted to become an debate on the possible progressiveness of generally accepted non-prog bands, which have had a terrific amount of exposure and album sales over the past 30 years. It would be a pointless waste of an opportunity.
my (obviously misinterpreted) quip about Coverdale was a suggestion that there are many other, newer bands out there, which truly fit into the HP category, which certainly could do with the exposure. And if a thread entitled 'Heavy Prog (and related) appreciated thread' isn't the place for that to happen, then I really don't know where, on this godforsaken forum, such a place can exist...
Right, that's truly enough on Whitesnake... |
Bah! Now anything is considered Prog!
I repeat! Daft Punk soon to be here on PA, I got Micky's aproval, the biography is ready!
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: November 06 2008 at 05:10
Mandrakeroot wrote:
zafreth wrote:
and what about Leaf hound, wonderful band do you agree?? |
Today I will purchase 'Freelance fiend\Too many rock'n'roll times' (7" single from 2005). It is not the maximum but... I am sure that I like it. It is a live single!
Then I will know what I will think about Leaf Hound! |
I have problems with my turntable.
Also my old turntable... I must try to see if the pin is OK. I hope to be able to listen to 7" today and then give an opinion about this 7" and Leaf Hound.
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: November 07 2008 at 04:45
I recommended (with my review, obviously):
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=6147"> |
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=6147 - Three Parts To My Soul
by http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1230 - DR. Z (Heavy Prog) |
I must thank my ex-girlfriend when I discovered Dr. Z! She, in 2000, lent me a copy MC where in the B side had registered Dr. Z. What I immediately loved.
Strange the life: Patrick Campbell-Lyons, after Nirvana, worked as a talent scout for the Vertigo label and when presented Keith Keyes with the tapes of this concept album: 'Three Parts To My Soul (Spiritus ,Manes Et Umbra)' he decided to publish these tapes... But only in 80 copies!
Of course the cncept speaks of the human soul and natur soul in its three aspects. Certainly the concept is really dark, but I find it satanic. Rather it is an esoteric dark concept! In any case, the music is hypnotic, poor, evocative, wild and essential! Harpsichord and voice dominate the melodies so that they become tribal. One point worth noting is that the songs are very melodic and with a very spartan production: are reported together because these aspects are related. In fact, the songs are designed precisely to be proposed in this way. It is clear that Watkins simply copy the rhythmic songs of Bo Didley but very, very slow: the songs are slow, Watson with his bass guitar produces strength and weight for sound because Keyes produces an inconsistent but beautiful sound with harpsichord and piano and sung not so perfect... But perfectly effective. I would say that the proposal of Dr. Z Rock but is not Medieval or Renaissance music but electric!
In my CD version (by Won-Sin) two are the bonus tracks (as in my copy MC). But these two songs are too POP. In every case the two bonus tracks are extremely good.
In conclusion... 'Three Parts To My Soul (Spiritus, Manes Et umbra)' is one of the more esoteric albums of Rock history. And one of the more Dark Prog albums. 'Three Parts To My Soul (Spiritus, Mames Et Umbra)' is also a magical album. And, proper for these facts, 'Three Parts To My Soul (Spiritus, Manes Et Umbra)' is also an album without time!
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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: November 07 2008 at 10:55
^ One of the Rarest items in the "Swirl" Vertigo Catalog, along with Ben.
a Very Good Album and very dark and doomy.
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 08 2008 at 19:45
Ben ? I got their album awhile back and was very disappointed based on the collectible stature of the LP (though that's nothing new I suppose)
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: November 13 2008 at 06:30
My last review:
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=5893"> |
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=5893 - Very 'eavy...Very 'umble
by http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1157 - URIAH HEEP (Heavy Prog) |
'Very 'eavy... Very 'umble'... If I look at the cover and because this is the cover... I laugh. In addition ... It will be suicide journalist who said: 'If this band will succeed... I kill me?'. Boh...!!!
But I have the impression that anyone who says that 'Very 'eavy...' is the son of Deep Purple's 'In Rock' has not much wrong. I find the two albums conceptually very similar. Unfortunately it is difficult to be able to demonstrate and, again, many are those who would be willing to sell your soul to the devil for to have the absolute reason. True or not true 'Very 'eavy...' is a great piece of borning Heavy Metal!
The songs are all good. 'Gypsy' is the first song of this album. A great Rock cavalcade, with great organ (by Ken Hensley) and voice (by David byron) is, at the end, a great band track... Because all the musicians are great. With Blues Arrangements, 'Gypsy' is an evergreen of 70's music! Similar (but without Blues arrangements) 'Walking In Your Shadows' that is more melodic in sound but horrorific for music. Another great performance of Byron and great guitar by Mick Box. The acoustic balla 'Come Away Melinda' is a dramatic song for Byron's voice. this is a cover and sure is more famous (eh, eh... Is a pure evergreen!) in this version that in original version. In my opinion 'Come Away melinda' (in this version) is the first true Heavy Metal ballad! 'Lucy Blues' is a pure Blues with great pathos... But nothing more. 'Dreammare' present a great intro: first part by Hensley solo, second part by Box... Another great cavalcade... Another spontaneous Rock! (P.s.: Great slide guitar by Ken Hensley and Mick Box rhythm guitar). 'Real Turned On' is another great Rock cavalcade (in this case a Blues Rock cavalcade) with a great rhythm slide guitar by Hensley and great vocal lines by Byron. 'I'll Keeo On Trying' is the song more Prog in 'very 'eavy...' but also the song more Rock and few dramatic in this album. A rhythmic duel by Hensley's organ and Box guitar but dominated by Byron! Great is the Byron/ Hensley melodic interlude! great is the Box's wah wah guitar solo! 'Wake up (Set You Sights)' is the closing track of 'Very 'eavy... Very 'umble' and it is the second Prog track of this album. But... Oh my God... this is a perfect Colosseum track! This is because 'Wake Up (Set Your Sights)' is a perfect Jazz Rock! In my opinion 'Wake Up (set Your Sights) is the song more emotional in Uriah heep discography!
I could say many things on 'Very 'eavy... Very 'umble'. Instead I merely say that if all the albums were aged so... Are all masterpieces. It must be said that the trio Box, Hensley and Byron transforms the spontaneity of 'very 'eavy ... Very 'umble' in a complicated and something really exciting album.
In conclusion: 'very 'eavy... Very 'umble' has aged so well that today sounds like a masterpiece. Unfortunately there is little Prog. But I recommend to all this piece of history!
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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: November 13 2008 at 14:51
Mandrakeroot wrote:
My last review:
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=5893"> |
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=5893 - Very 'eavy...Very 'umble
by http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1157 - URIAH HEEP (Heavy Prog) |
'Very 'eavy... Very 'umble'... If I look at the cover and because this is the cover... I laugh. In addition ... It will be suicide journalist who said: 'If this band will succeed... I kill me?'. Boh...!!!
But I have the impression that anyone who says that 'Very 'eavy...' is the son of Deep Purple's 'In Rock' has not much wrong. I find the two albums conceptually very similar. Unfortunately it is difficult to be able to demonstrate and, again, many are those who would be willing to sell your soul to the devil for to have the absolute reason. True or not true 'Very 'eavy...' is a great piece of borning Heavy Metal!
The songs are all good. 'Gypsy' is the first song of this album. A great Rock cavalcade, with great organ (by Ken Hensley) and voice (by David byron) is, at the end, a great band track... Because all the musicians are great. With Blues Arrangements, 'Gypsy' is an evergreen of 70's music! Similar (but without Blues arrangements) 'Walking In Your Shadows' that is more melodic in sound but horrorific for music. Another great performance of Byron and great guitar by Mick Box. The acoustic balla 'Come Away Melinda' is a dramatic song for Byron's voice. this is a cover and sure is more famous (eh, eh... Is a pure evergreen!) in this version that in original version. In my opinion 'Come Away melinda' (in this version) is the first true Heavy Metal ballad! 'Lucy Blues' is a pure Blues with great pathos... But nothing more. 'Dreammare' present a great intro: first part by Hensley solo, second part by Box... Another great cavalcade... Another spontaneous Rock! (P.s.: Great slide guitar by Ken Hensley and Mick Box rhythm guitar). 'Real Turned On' is another great Rock cavalcade (in this case a Blues Rock cavalcade) with a great rhythm slide guitar by Hensley and great vocal lines by Byron. 'I'll Keeo On Trying' is the song more Prog in 'very 'eavy...' but also the song more Rock and few dramatic in this album. A rhythmic duel by Hensley's organ and Box guitar but dominated by Byron! Great is the Byron/ Hensley melodic interlude! great is the Box's wah wah guitar solo! 'Wake up (Set You Sights)' is the closing track of 'Very 'eavy... Very 'umble' and it is the second Prog track of this album. But... Oh my God... this is a perfect Colosseum track! This is because 'Wake Up (Set Your Sights)' is a perfect Jazz Rock! In my opinion 'Wake Up (set Your Sights) is the song more emotional in Uriah heep discography!
I could say many things on 'Very 'eavy... Very 'umble'. Instead I merely say that if all the albums were aged so... Are all masterpieces. It must be said that the trio Box, Hensley and Byron transforms the spontaneity of 'very 'eavy ... Very 'umble' in a complicated and something really exciting album.
In conclusion: 'very 'eavy... Very 'umble' has aged so well that today sounds like a masterpiece. Unfortunately there is little Prog. But I recommend to all this piece of history! |
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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: November 13 2008 at 15:02
Atavachron wrote:
Ben ? I got their album awhile back and was very disappointed based on the collectible stature of the LP (though that's nothing new I suppose)
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WHY? to me is an instrumental jazz group doing if not excellent ,well crafted music, the first track (The Influence) is my favorite and BTW the Missing Link do a cover version of that song only with another name...
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: November 14 2008 at 04:39
Alberto Muñoz wrote:
Mandrakeroot wrote:
My last review:
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=5893"> |
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=5893 - Very 'eavy...Very 'umble
by http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1157 - URIAH HEEP (Heavy Prog) |
'Very 'eavy... Very 'umble'... If I look at the cover and because this is the cover... I laugh. In addition ... It will be suicide journalist who said: 'If this band will succeed... I kill me?'. Boh...!!!
But I have the impression that anyone who says that 'Very 'eavy...' is the son of Deep Purple's 'In Rock' has not much wrong. I find the two albums conceptually very similar. Unfortunately it is difficult to be able to demonstrate and, again, many are those who would be willing to sell your soul to the devil for to have the absolute reason. True or not true 'Very 'eavy...' is a great piece of borning Heavy Metal!
The songs are all good. 'Gypsy' is the first song of this album. A great Rock cavalcade, with great organ (by Ken Hensley) and voice (by David byron) is, at the end, a great band track... Because all the musicians are great. With Blues Arrangements, 'Gypsy' is an evergreen of 70's music! Similar (but without Blues arrangements) 'Walking In Your Shadows' that is more melodic in sound but horrorific for music. Another great performance of Byron and great guitar by Mick Box. The acoustic balla 'Come Away Melinda' is a dramatic song for Byron's voice. this is a cover and sure is more famous (eh, eh... Is a pure evergreen!) in this version that in original version. In my opinion 'Come Away melinda' (in this version) is the first true Heavy Metal ballad! 'Lucy Blues' is a pure Blues with great pathos... But nothing more. 'Dreammare' present a great intro: first part by Hensley solo, second part by Box... Another great cavalcade... Another spontaneous Rock! (P.s.: Great slide guitar by Ken Hensley and Mick Box rhythm guitar). 'Real Turned On' is another great Rock cavalcade (in this case a Blues Rock cavalcade) with a great rhythm slide guitar by Hensley and great vocal lines by Byron. 'I'll Keeo On Trying' is the song more Prog in 'very 'eavy...' but also the song more Rock and few dramatic in this album. A rhythmic duel by Hensley's organ and Box guitar but dominated by Byron! Great is the Byron/ Hensley melodic interlude! great is the Box's wah wah guitar solo! 'Wake up (Set You Sights)' is the closing track of 'Very 'eavy... Very 'umble' and it is the second Prog track of this album. But... Oh my God... this is a perfect Colosseum track! This is because 'Wake Up (Set Your Sights)' is a perfect Jazz Rock! In my opinion 'Wake Up (set Your Sights) is the song more emotional in Uriah heep discography!
I could say many things on 'Very 'eavy... Very 'umble'. Instead I merely say that if all the albums were aged so... Are all masterpieces. It must be said that the trio Box, Hensley and Byron transforms the spontaneity of 'very 'eavy ... Very 'umble' in a complicated and something really exciting album.
In conclusion: 'very 'eavy... Very 'umble' has aged so well that today sounds like a masterpiece. Unfortunately there is little Prog. But I recommend to all this piece of history! |
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: November 14 2008 at 04:47
Alberto Muñoz wrote:
Atavachron wrote:
Ben ? I got their album awhile back and was very disappointed based on the collectible stature of the LP (though that's nothing new I suppose)
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WHY? to me is an instrumental jazz group doing if not excellent ,well crafted music, the first track (The Influence) is my favorite and BTW the Missing Link do a cover version of that song only with another name... |
really? the soggy psych-jazz, limp Doors impersonations, bad production, you liked it?
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: November 14 2008 at 06:55
My last HP review:
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=5895"> |
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=5895 - Salisbury
by http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1157 - URIAH HEEP (Heavy Prog) |
If 'Very 'eavy... Very 'umble' can be considered a Heavy Metal album... 'Salisbury' is certainly the most Prog album (if not the only one) that Uriah Heep has produced. In any case 'Salisbury' is the first absolute masterpiece of Uriah Heep. And frankly 'Salisbury' is also one of the first Prog album that I bought and loved!
Ken Hensley finally can shout his organ, David Byron can use your voice as a musical instrument and Mick Box can do the minstrel... And all with a spontaneity... Really spontaneous! Certainly that 'Bird Of Prey' is a pure Power Metal (but in 1971 is correct to speak of Power Metal?) but it sounds more substantial than the songs of 'Very 'eavy... very 'umble'. 'The Park' is a dramatic acoustic ballad for organ and voice... In my opinion Byron and Hensley here create the 'Child In Time' of Uriah Heep! I love Byron's vocal lines in 'The Park', but also the acoustic rhythmic guitar by Mick Box is extreme exciting! More Heavy is 'Time To Live' with another great organ parts and wah wah guitar. 'Time To Live' is the more Heavy Metal song of 'Salisbury' and a another perfect track for David Byron's voice. The acoustic ballad 'Lady In Black' is another dramatic song for atmospheres... And the best song of 'Salisbury' because in this album is the song aged better. Sure 'Lady In Black' is a true hymn of 70's music! (P.s.: I must say again how is great David Byron?). 'High Priestess'... Is a very catchy song, despite the distorted guitars and a Rock Byron really dominate the song. That is one of most successful cavalcade of Heep. Finally 'Salisbury', a composition by Box, Byron and Hensley with bass and woodwind arranged by John Fiddy that present the best organ performed by Hensley. 'Salisbury' is the only Symphonic Prog composition of Heep. If woodwind and brass dominate the composition, it must be said that Hensley and Byron are not less. 'Salisbury', then, is a suite really heavy (even in melodic parts), dramatic but at the same time catchy.
Is 'Salisbury' a perfect album? Of course, 'Salisbury' is a perfect album. Also because it is aged extreme well. Perhaps because spontaneous' Salisbury 'is a magical album. All musicians (and not only them) give the best of themselves. And this feels. But if I have to be sincere, 'Salisbury' is also great because it is aged so well that the songs are so fresh and current that is difficult not to classify 'Salisbury' as a masterpiece.
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Posted By: el dingo
Date Posted: November 15 2008 at 04:03
Mandrakeroot wrote:
My last review:
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=5893"> |
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=5893 - Very 'eavy...Very 'umble
by http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1157 - URIAH HEEP (Heavy Prog) |
'Very 'eavy... Very 'umble'... If I look at the cover and because this is the cover... I laugh. In addition ... It will be suicide journalist who said: 'If this band will succeed... I kill me?'. Boh...!!!
But I have the impression that anyone who says that 'Very 'eavy...' is the son of Deep Purple's 'In Rock' has not much wrong. I find the two albums conceptually very similar. Unfortunately it is difficult to be able to demonstrate and, again, many are those who would be willing to sell your soul to the devil for to have the absolute reason. True or not true 'Very 'eavy...' is a great piece of borning Heavy Metal!
The songs are all good. 'Gypsy' is the first song of this album. A great Rock cavalcade, with great organ (by Ken Hensley) and voice (by David byron) is, at the end, a great band track... Because all the musicians are great. With Blues Arrangements, 'Gypsy' is an evergreen of 70's music! Similar (but without Blues arrangements) 'Walking In Your Shadows' that is more melodic in sound but horrorific for music. Another great performance of Byron and great guitar by Mick Box. The acoustic balla 'Come Away Melinda' is a dramatic song for Byron's voice. this is a cover and sure is more famous (eh, eh... Is a pure evergreen!) in this version that in original version. In my opinion 'Come Away melinda' (in this version) is the first true Heavy Metal ballad! 'Lucy Blues' is a pure Blues with great pathos... But nothing more. 'Dreammare' present a great intro: first part by Hensley solo, second part by Box... Another great cavalcade... Another spontaneous Rock! (P.s.: Great slide guitar by Ken Hensley and Mick Box rhythm guitar). 'Real Turned On' is another great Rock cavalcade (in this case a Blues Rock cavalcade) with a great rhythm slide guitar by Hensley and great vocal lines by Byron. 'I'll Keeo On Trying' is the song more Prog in 'very 'eavy...' but also the song more Rock and few dramatic in this album. A rhythmic duel by Hensley's organ and Box guitar but dominated by Byron! Great is the Byron/ Hensley melodic interlude! great is the Box's wah wah guitar solo! 'Wake up (Set You Sights)' is the closing track of 'Very 'eavy... Very 'umble' and it is the second Prog track of this album. But... Oh my God... this is a perfect Colosseum track! This is because 'Wake Up (Set Your Sights)' is a perfect Jazz Rock! In my opinion 'Wake Up (set Your Sights) is the song more emotional in Uriah heep discography!
I could say many things on 'Very 'eavy... Very 'umble'. Instead I merely say that if all the albums were aged so... Are all masterpieces. It must be said that the trio Box, Hensley and Byron transforms the spontaneity of 'very 'eavy ... Very 'umble' in a complicated and something really exciting album.
In conclusion: 'very 'eavy... Very 'umble' has aged so well that today sounds like a masterpiece. Unfortunately there is little Prog. But I recommend to all this piece of history! |
Yeah, good album. Got it when it came out - the nucleus of Heep lived where I did and they had a sound local following (London/Essex UK).
One disagreement with your review, tho: I know it was a live staple for years and a big favourite with some fans but... Gypsy is a dog! Lyrics more naive than Enid Blyton and just a noise. I mean, I don't think Byron ever had a gypsy queen's father put a whip across his back... in a shack. Do You?
One footnote, everyone probably knows but in case they don't... the guy on the cover is indeed Dave Byron.
Glad I'm not the only one who rates the album
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: November 15 2008 at 08:37
el dingo wrote:
Mandrakeroot wrote:
My last review:
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=5893"> |
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=5893 - Very 'eavy...Very 'umble
by http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1157 - URIAH HEEP (Heavy Prog) |
'Very 'eavy... Very 'umble'... If I look at the cover and because this is the cover... I laugh. In addition ... It will be suicide journalist who said: 'If this band will succeed... I kill me?'. Boh...!!!
But I have the impression that anyone who says that 'Very 'eavy...' is the son of Deep Purple's 'In Rock' has not much wrong. I find the two albums conceptually very similar. Unfortunately it is difficult to be able to demonstrate and, again, many are those who would be willing to sell your soul to the devil for to have the absolute reason. True or not true 'Very 'eavy...' is a great piece of borning Heavy Metal!
The songs are all good. 'Gypsy' is the first song of this album. A great Rock cavalcade, with great organ (by Ken Hensley) and voice (by David byron) is, at the end, a great band track... Because all the musicians are great. With Blues Arrangements, 'Gypsy' is an evergreen of 70's music! Similar (but without Blues arrangements) 'Walking In Your Shadows' that is more melodic in sound but horrorific for music. Another great performance of Byron and great guitar by Mick Box. The acoustic balla 'Come Away Melinda' is a dramatic song for Byron's voice. this is a cover and sure is more famous (eh, eh... Is a pure evergreen!) in this version that in original version. In my opinion 'Come Away melinda' (in this version) is the first true Heavy Metal ballad! 'Lucy Blues' is a pure Blues with great pathos... But nothing more. 'Dreammare' present a great intro: first part by Hensley solo, second part by Box... Another great cavalcade... Another spontaneous Rock! (P.s.: Great slide guitar by Ken Hensley and Mick Box rhythm guitar). 'Real Turned On' is another great Rock cavalcade (in this case a Blues Rock cavalcade) with a great rhythm slide guitar by Hensley and great vocal lines by Byron. 'I'll Keeo On Trying' is the song more Prog in 'very 'eavy...' but also the song more Rock and few dramatic in this album. A rhythmic duel by Hensley's organ and Box guitar but dominated by Byron! Great is the Byron/ Hensley melodic interlude! great is the Box's wah wah guitar solo! 'Wake up (Set You Sights)' is the closing track of 'Very 'eavy... Very 'umble' and it is the second Prog track of this album. But... Oh my God... this is a perfect Colosseum track! This is because 'Wake Up (Set Your Sights)' is a perfect Jazz Rock! In my opinion 'Wake Up (set Your Sights) is the song more emotional in Uriah heep discography!
I could say many things on 'Very 'eavy... Very 'umble'. Instead I merely say that if all the albums were aged so... Are all masterpieces. It must be said that the trio Box, Hensley and Byron transforms the spontaneity of 'very 'eavy ... Very 'umble' in a complicated and something really exciting album.
In conclusion: 'very 'eavy... Very 'umble' has aged so well that today sounds like a masterpiece. Unfortunately there is little Prog. But I recommend to all this piece of history! |
Yeah, good album. Got it when it came out - the nucleus of Heep lived where I did and they had a sound local following (London/Essex UK).
One disagreement with your review, tho: I know it was a live staple for years and a big favourite with some fans but... Gypsy is a dog! Lyrics more naive than Enid Blyton and just a noise. I mean, I don't think Byron ever had a gypsy queen's father put a whip across his back... in a shack. Do You?
One footnote, everyone probably knows but in case they don't... the guy on the cover is indeed Dave Byron.
Glad I'm not the only one who rates the album |
I think that the lyrics of 'Gypsy' are really interesting for the period. It is clear that are naive. But for the time were good.
As for the cover... I did not find the magazine where I read what I reported in the review. So I just wrote what I remembered to 100%!
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: November 16 2008 at 15:36
This is my last HP review:
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=20114"> |
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=20114 - Zooma
by http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=4060 - JOHN PAUL JONES (Heavy Prog) |
If I had not been able (thanks also to the sticker in the package) that JOHN PAUL JONES was the BASS PLAYER and KEYBOARDIST of the legendary LED ZEPPELIN would have believed that he was one of KING CRIMSON! Because the music of ZOOMA is a full HEAVY PROG version of KING CRIMSON's music!
The ingredients that make JPJ on CD are few but good: ELEMENTARY DRUMS and DISTORTED RHYTHMIC BASS. In a certain sense one of the KING CRIMSON's ingredients. In reality JPJ not forget the LED ZEPPELIN, which are mentioned in the DRUMS ARRANGIAMENT of ZOOMA. In general, however, JPJ tries to follow a reasoning that takes him away from LED ZEPPELIN: PLAYING for the FUN RUN. What is the reasoning behind the KING CRIMSON. But here there is a MELODY, even if VERY ABSTRACT. And, as icing on the cake here BASS'N'DRUMS which is a short interference in the genre of Bass'n'Drums. Then is Present NOSUMI BLUES, a sort of ABSTRACT BLUES! Frankly the KING CRIMSON are TOTALLY ABSTRACT: Here at least THIS IS MELODY.
So, I think that ZOOMA be a GREAT MODERN piece of ART.
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Posted By: mithrandir
Date Posted: November 16 2008 at 15:51
Alberto Muñoz wrote:
and what do you thing about this album: Jerusalem 1972 UK Band |
great band! shining example of 70s Heavy Metal
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: November 17 2008 at 04:02
My last review... In this case from related Heavy Prog band:
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=12077"> |
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=12077 - Live At The Royal Albert Hall
by http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1969 - DEEP PURPLE (Proto-Prog) |
Expect a second representation of CONCERTO FOR GROUP AND ORCHESTRA is not correct. Because this LIVE AT ROYAL ALBERT ALL contain CONCERTO... but in true THIS IS A GREAT PARTY! The start with two PIANO/ ORCHESTRAL JON LORD's songs is good. But these two songs remember me too ELTON JOHN! In other way the ROGER GLOVER SECTION is TOO DISTANT from PURPLE CONCEPT. Interesting the presence of RONNIE JAMES DIO in SITTING IN A DREAM (beautiful SWEET JAZZY BALLAD) and in LOVE IS ALL, a JAZZ SOUL song. In first CD is GREAT the version of TAKE IT OFF THE TOP, played by STEVE MORSE BAND. EXTREME INTERESTING the BIG BAND version of WRING THAT NECK, that is POWERFUL and MAGIC. The 2nd CD have in tracks 1, 2 and 3 the new arrangement of CONCERTO FOR GROUP AND ORCHESTRA. Good FIRST MOVEMENT (as the original), to convince me little this new version of 2nd MOVEMENT because bored me. GREAT and FINALLY PERFECT 3rd MOVEMENT because FINALLY IS CLEAR the DUEL about BAND and ORCHESTRA, with a great STEVE MORSE that SURCLASSED RITCHIE BLACKMORE. The rest of 2nd CD is good. SOMETIMES I FEEL LIKE SCREAMING would need an ORCHESTRAL ACCOMPAINMENT to be perfect. But the REAL SURPRISE is SMOKE ON THE WATER with RONNIE JAMES DIO that SINGING a verse.
GREAT are the DIFFERENCE about THIS and ORIGINAL version. Much differences are in NEW ARRANGEMENT, second because the new RECORDING TECHNIQUES and STAGE TECHNIQUES allow better interaction between band and orchestra. So this new version is not MAGICAL AS THE ORIGINAL. But sure is SUPERIOR to the original version. I RECOMMENDED the POSSESS of BOTH VERSIONS (original version is better in DVD version) but this new version is better.
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Posted By: Mandrakeroot
Date Posted: November 17 2008 at 04:09
Another two reviews from me... Good for this thread:
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=20292"> |
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=20292 - Come Away Melinda: The Ballads
by http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1157 - URIAH HEEP (Heavy Prog) |
18 70's ballads in this 'Come Away Melinda: A Collection Of Classic Uriah Heep Ballads'. What then is not the usual compilation of Uriah Heep. In this case is a thematic compilation. And I love this compilation because is a sort of jewel!
Ballads and Uriah Heep... Well... great! This compilation is great. I should describe every song but... It is not the case. Instead I must note that the ballads are presented in chronological order. For this reason, Come Away Melinda' opens the dances. And for this motive 'Lady In Black' is the second song. But also 'The Park' is a pure Hard Rock ballad. And I love these three ballads, for power but not only. Please me also: 'The Wizard', 'Rainbow Demon', 'Rain', 'If I Had The Time', 'Wonderworld', 'The Easy Road', 'Why Did You Go?', 'Your Turn To Remember', 'Weep In Silence' and 'Come Back To Me'.
The ballads are usually ground for singers. With Heep, however, I have the feeling that they are inspired to know that they were a band. With the life that they were (9 months on tour, 3 to write, publish and record albums, as Mick Box said) it was logical to change so often line-up. And for this I say that in this case, the ballads are the work of the group. With Heep, often, the ballads were the most dramatic moments of the album (which is very evident in 'Salisbury'). Thus a compilation of ballads like this is really a great tribute to the Heep, more than just a promotional product.
Few compilations such as this are essential. Not recommend to everybody. But having 'Come Away Melinda: The Ballads' is not a bad thing.
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=20304"> |
http://www.progarchives.com/album.asp?id=20304 - Greatest Hits (Steel Box Collection)
by http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=1969 - DEEP PURPLE (Proto-Prog) |
'Steel Box Collection' is a series of budget price 'Greatest Hits' by Sony BMG packaged in a metal package! This, which is on Deep Purple is very interesting. Although it is almost a photocopy of 'Purplexed' is really interesting even if you have 'Purplexed'. 6 songs are classics (evergreens?!?) of Purple and 5 are studio songs but all published at the time on albums by BMG. So we have songs with the classic MK II, with JL Turner and Steve Morse. What else to say in the introduction? Let then to read the CD.
'Smoke On The Water' (live): It is not the best version. Immortal song. Almost forgotten by this interpretation.
'Highway Star' (live): Interesting version. More relaxed than the original... But very well managed.
'Child In Time' (live): See 'Highway Star' comment. I add only that in this case listening is easier because by not truest virtuoso parts 'Child In Time' becomes more honest. Even if it loses much charm.
'The Battle Rages On': Excellent song. Poised between AOR and Hard Rock and very melodic. There is very little Blackmore and too last solo Ian Gillan. But 'The Battle rages On' is a song that can compete with their traditional repertoire.
'Woman From Tokyo' (live): This track not please me. But in this version this track is good.
'Love Conquers All': Ballad with Turner vocals. Too much honey!
'King Of Dreams': Another song with Turner. Certainly the same considerations made for 'The Battle Rages On'. But if we want 'King of Dreams' is the most beautiful and magical than' The Battle rages On '. I am sincere: 'King Of Dreams' is one of my preferred Purple songs!
'The Aviator': Great song with Steve Morse. A perfect song. Hard Rock with AOR treatment. Great live... Great in the original studio version. 'The Aviator' is a gentle and sincere song as few in the history of Purple.
'Anya' (live): mediocre song. It works only with Purle before our eyes.
'Perfect Strangers' (live): Great 80's evergreen. Great song... That I love. But this version is not good. The arrangements of this version kill 'Perfect Strangers'.
'Fortuneteller': With JL Turner. A good AOR song. But great.
Finally 'Greatest Hits (Steel Box Collection)' is not a perfect compilation. It has many ups and downs. However, it is a pleasure to listen. But without much demand.
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