Van Der Graaf Generator needle and thread
Printed From: Progarchives.com
Category: Progressive Music Lounges
Forum Name: Prog Bands, Artists and Genres Appreciation
Forum Description: Discuss specific prog bands and their members or a specific sub-genre
URL: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=52546
Printed Date: December 04 2024 at 04:45
Software Version: Web Wiz Forums 11.01 - http://www.webwizforums.com
Topic: Van Der Graaf Generator needle and thread
Posted By: TGM: Orb
Subject: Van Der Graaf Generator needle and thread
Date Posted: October 13 2008 at 17:35
|
Best. Band. Ever. Discuss. |
Replies:
Posted By: LiquidEternity
Date Posted: October 13 2008 at 17:41
|
I don't know about best, because as much as I like them, I'm still a guitarist in my heart, and while they aren't lacking on account of not featuring that instrument much (though when they do, Fripp is golden), I can't rank them absolutely top. Very, very good stuff, though. Incidentally, the only band I think is strong enough to take their place at the front is King Crimson. I like their genre a whole freaking lot, you see. |
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: October 13 2008 at 17:57
Second. Best. Band. Ever.
 Only behind the almighty Genesis and slightly ahead of GG, KC and Rush. ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
TGM: Orb wrote:Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: October 13 2008 at 19:17
|
I agree with Rob. Best band ever. -------------   
|
Posted By: Hawkwise
Date Posted: October 13 2008 at 19:21
No Hawkwind are the best Band ever 
------------- 
|
Posted By: febus
Date Posted: October 13 2008 at 22:20
Not even in my top 50
|
Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: October 13 2008 at 22:59
Sadly, I must admit the same. I just can't get into their zone ...... , and ya got to get in .... to get out  ------------- I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth. |
Posted By: npjnpj
Date Posted: October 14 2008 at 06:43
Sir! Yes, SIR!
 |
Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: October 14 2008 at 13:42
| The best band without a proper guitar player. |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: October 14 2008 at 13:46
| Van der Graaf Generator is a band whose output I enjoy, but they still don't seem to resonate with me in the same way they do others; in other words, I don't love them. There's no way I can quantify why this is the case. |
Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: October 14 2008 at 14:03
|
While clearly everyone has forgotten that Rush is the best band ever, VdGG certainly are up there. Hammil is a great songwriter and I think that VdGG had some of the most consistent output of the 70s. Considering that H to He through Still Life are all highly regarded with barely any controversy must really be saying something. I haven't heard the newer material, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was awesome. |
Posted By: TGM: Orb
Date Posted: October 14 2008 at 14:07
Fixed  |
Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: October 14 2008 at 14:08
Ah, I'm surprised that I didn't catch that 
|
Posted By: Jozef
Date Posted: October 14 2008 at 15:35
|
Yes, a very fine band indeed. Despite the controversy surrounding Peter Hammill's vocals, I for one enjoy them. Pawn Hearts and H to He are both fantastic albums and two that I want to review very soon.
------------- 
|
Posted By: omri
Date Posted: October 15 2008 at 08:45
|
This is very personal and subjective isn't it ?
For me, VDGG is second only to King crimson and they are both bands that never sold out. ------------- omri |
Posted By: TGM: Orb
Date Posted: October 15 2008 at 13:19
Pretty much. I swear I'll make the effort to return this to an interesting thread: So, question one (general question): When was David Jaxon's high point, for your personal preference, and what's his standout performance? Since Hammill, understandably, gets talked about a lot, and I feel the rest of VDGG aren't exactly underrated, but not discussed nearly as much. |
Posted By: omri
Date Posted: October 16 2008 at 11:53
|
Without answering the question all I can say is that the one who wrote most of the music and all of the lyrics should get most attention.
It's better than the genres where attention is to the look or the number of marriages ! ------------- omri |
Posted By: Bern
Date Posted: October 16 2008 at 12:05
Once again, I got to agree with Geck0. Damn. -------------  
RIP in bossa nova heaven. |
Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: October 16 2008 at 15:19
|
I can't say Best, but I say UNIQUE They have something special, their sound is peculiar and they can easily be a 'love/hate' band because of their 'eclectic' elements. I adore Godbluff, still need to get into the rest... |
Posted By: Kotro
Date Posted: October 16 2008 at 16:53
|
Love Godbluff and H to He... Not so keen on the rest. Bit of an uneven band in my book. But then again I honestly think Duran Duran are awsome, so what do I know? ------------- Bigger on the inside. |
Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: October 16 2008 at 16:55
That makes the three of us. ------------- 
|
Posted By: TGM: Orb
Date Posted: October 16 2008 at 18:03
He should, but it's sort of sad that truly incredible players like Jaxon and Banton (my ability to spell his name varies daily, though) don't get that much appreciation here. |
Posted By: LiquidEternity
Date Posted: October 16 2008 at 18:09
|
Yeah, David Jackson still blows my mind. For the most part, saxophone is an uninteresting and overused instrument except when he is strangling one. His wild soloing at the apocalyptic outro of White Hammer might be one of my favorite musical moments
------------- 
|
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: October 16 2008 at 21:27
Not quoting your post really, but have you noticed that your avatar if you blink fastly it really dizzes you up, seems as a optical illusion 
...Sorry for changing subject... Best band ever? Hmm, no, not for me at least. Though I enjoy them, Godbluff and Still Life are excellent examples of excellent key-leading bands/albums, as well as lyric-lead. Though not my everyday meal, the Eclectic Sub-genre doesn't seem quite for me, though I enjoy the most famous ones, none of them are faves, though Gentle Giant is close. Great band, but as Antoine and others said, they're not in my "top 50". |
Posted By: Philéas
Date Posted: October 17 2008 at 12:13
|
There are so many best bands ever for me, so it's hard to be sure, though VdGG are definitely my favourites when it comes to prog. |
Posted By: AlexUC
Date Posted: October 20 2008 at 20:03
 Well, I can't say the best or my favorite, but completely special. The two features I love the most about this band are: - Hammill's voice. My favorite singer. Not much to say here. - Guy Evan's drumming. One of my favorite drummers (just below Cobham maybe) his style is perfect for VDGG. Of course Jackson and Banton are impressive too!! My favorite moment is the middle part of The emperor on his war-room... Ahhh, how I love this song!! ------------- This is not my beautiful house... |
Posted By: TGM: Orb
Date Posted: October 20 2008 at 21:16
|
OK. Thanks for the responses. Going to vent my fanboyism a bit here with a couple of more detailed posts on individual parts or lyrics later. For now: Orb's favourite bits of VDGG Vocals - A Plague Of Lighthouse Keepers Hammill's biggest appeal to me is that he expresses emotions which I've not really even heard other singers attempt. Complex emotions, not just angry or sad or happy, but hesitant, uncertain anger, lonely and increasing sadness, joy gradually coming out from pain and grief, coming from a sense of purpose. This track is the real peak of that, in my opinion. Saxophone - Sleepwalkers I do so enjoy seeing an essentially fairly harmless jazzy instrument being used to pull off guitarish licks with extra grit and verve, trading blows with an organ. Pure rock, unique sound and a stunning performance. Equally, I defy anyone not to be moved by the sax solo on My Room (Waiting For Wonderland) Flute - Out Of My Book I can't quite explain this one so well, but the ethereal flutes really convey a sort of drifting, uncertain background, the answers floating away. Absolutely love that melody. Drums/Percussion - House With No Door Easily the most difficult choice, since I'm less good at listening for these. Maybe, actually, House With No Door. Love it when a drummer can fit his own style neatly into a soft song rather than simply waiting before the big explosion at the end. Bass - Pioneers Over c Directional, energetic, and able to take a lead role without feeling either drowned out or redundant. Incredible force, catchy hooks. Everything. Acoustic Guitar - Killer Short, sweet melodic additions, giving something incredibly beautiful in the midst of such a dark song, yet only really intensifying the feeling and leaving behind a sort of drowning feeling... the sense of the loss of that brief melody. Organ - Pioneers Over c The rock organ performance, in my opinion. Gradual, developing force, modulation of distance, love the way it's phrased. Energetic in the lead, and shining in the background. Piano - Still Life Again, the complex expression thing. That particular song is life without a sense of meaning, sort of going through the motions but in a worn out way. Idyllic, yet at the same time unexpectedly flawed. The piano on it is so full of loss, of hesitation and of gradual settlement. Electric Guitar - Meurglys III Can't really explain this one yet. Will find a way, eventually. So... a mixture of comprehensible and incomprehensible reasons. If I'm being productive/skiving off team work tomorrow, I'll get out something about that solo on APOLK. |
Posted By: AlexUC
Date Posted: October 21 2008 at 12:38
Well, you've come into the hard task of choosing your favorite sections of VDGG songs... That would be something very hard for me Well, just like you, the vocal part that I love the most is certainly in A Plague. Oh god, I've never heard someone singing like this. And the live version in the Godbluff DVD is amazing. I think this is my favorite moment (fortunately, a 23 minutes moment )------------- This is not my beautiful house... |
Posted By: AlexUC
Date Posted: October 21 2008 at 12:41
Oh god, this is what happens to me when speaking about favorite VDGG song, I've just changed my favorite moment in the count of two posts 
------------- This is not my beautiful house... |
Posted By: omri
Date Posted: October 22 2008 at 11:48
|
I think trying to explain why I love one track better than other based on details like the singing or guitar playing or that kind of things is very interesting but in a way misses the point.
I totally agree about the expression of complicated emotions as one of VDGG's definite strengths.
Personally I will mention 4 songs that I love most and try shortly to explain why :
My room (waiting for wonderland) - A very sad song. The sadness of a child is something that moves me deeply.
La rossa - A love song that obviously occurs only in the writer's thoughts (dreams ?). No way it will ever come true. Do I like it cause I'm this kind of a guy ? Better not answer this question.
Pioneers over C - 1 year after the first man on the moon and Hamill already think of Astronouts who go for a lifetime journey to space and how will they suffer from lonliness. What a great pesimistic attitude (and what a moving song).
Murglyss III - Like TGM Orb I can't realy explain why I love this one so much (well, the lyrics are great but this is quite usual in VDGG's output). I find this track hypnotic. Probably my favorite of them all. ------------- omri |
Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: October 22 2008 at 13:50
|
Very Good band, but best ever???
Probably yes but not a definitive one.
I like all their output
-------------  |
Posted By: sean
Date Posted: October 29 2008 at 15:38
agreed.
It's really nice to have a place where people know who this band is, let alone like them as much as me.
|
Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: October 29 2008 at 17:22
|
Ok, I must admit I have not been able to gent in to VdGG yet. But a few years ago I couldn't get into Gentle Giant and now.....it's pathetic. Where does one start? Is there any album that is going to overwhelm you with it's awesomeness from note one as say "Dancing with the Moonlit Knight" does for Genesis. (My first early Genesis experience and for the most part first prog experience beside "Roundabout" and Floyd) ------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: AlexUC
Date Posted: October 29 2008 at 18:15
Godbluff starts a-la SEBTP with a very impressive and accessible "The Undercover Man", maybe you could start with that album... IMO is their most friendly, while capturing the very essence VDGG is. H to He is another relatively accessible, with beautiful songs like 'House with no door' and 'The emperor on his war-room', very enjoyable from firsts listens. But, there's no Fragile or Selling England with VDGG, all the core albums are pretty experimental and unexpected (even avant if you want...). In my case, I started with one of the more experimental, Pawn Hearts, but it blowed me from the fist time... Maybe that could work for you, depending on your taste  Good luck discovering this great world VDGG is!!! ------------- This is not my beautiful house... |
Posted By: ignatiusrielly
Date Posted: October 30 2008 at 11:33
|
One of the greatest bands ever. The best??? well, that´s a matter of taste. At least they did what Genesis should have done: they split up! A killer band that never was lost. BTW, not only did they lack a guitar player but a proper bass player too!! (for the most of their carreer) Some of the bass lines are slightly out of time. I wonder what Pawn Hearts could have sounded like had the excellent Nic Potter been there with his bass.
------------- Four pails of water and a bagfull of salts |
Posted By: bucka001
Date Posted: October 30 2008 at 13:48
|
For me, the best band ever. Saw them nine times; 7 times in '05, 2 times in '07. They were great every time! By the way, the VdGG book is back in stock (finally) at http://www.amazon.co.uk - www.amazon.co.uk ------------- jc |
Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: November 03 2008 at 05:36
Yup they are my favorit prog band, im a Vdgg fan boy. and proud of it!  ------------- 
|
Posted By: rosenbach
Date Posted: January 17 2009 at 16:56
|
Best band ever? Hard to say but i agree with aapatsos they're UNIQUE, and one of my top 5 for sure. As someone mentioned is an acquired taste (as in my case Gentle Giant, Il Balletto di Bronzo and many others)and it's a shame they were never so popular at the time (except maybe in Italy where in the early 70's they were more popular than in they own country, more popular than Genesis with Gabriel!).
Anyway i think their new albums are quite good, unfortunately David Jackson is not on Trisector anymore (can't understand why he wasn't on the tour either but instead he was giging with Osanna). |
Posted By: The Hemulen
Date Posted: January 17 2009 at 18:17
|
Bloody bloody bloody good band but not my absolute favourite.As others have said, their output's been patchy (then again, same goes for pretty much every band that doesn't jack it in after a couple of albums) and their most recent effort has certainly done little to elevate them, IMO. Pawn Hearts and Godbluff are 100% jaw-dropping awesomeness, though. Sheer wonderment. |
Posted By: A B Negative
Date Posted: January 18 2009 at 14:11
|
If every album was as amazing as The Least We Can Do, H To He or Pawn Hearts they would be the best band ever. Unfortunately, their other albums don't amaze me as much. Aerosol Grey Machine has its moments but you can debate whether it's a "real" VDGG album or not. From Godbluff onwards their albums are patchy; good but not great. And the new stuff hasn't grabbed my attention at all. ------------- "The disgusting stink of a too-loud electric guitar.... Now, that's my idea of a good time." |
Posted By: rosenbach
Date Posted: January 19 2009 at 04:28
| In fact Aerosol Grey Machine was intended to be as the first solo album by Hammill. |
Posted By: Dervisan
Date Posted: January 31 2009 at 07:47
|
i think van der graaf generator was the best band that you could feel the progressive sounds when you listen them ... i love refugees and the uncover man
------------- Turkish (Anatolian) Progressive Psychedelic Ethnical Rock |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: February 01 2009 at 18:25
Oh yes, my favourite sax solo ever.  -------------
|
Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: February 01 2009 at 18:41
Oh, how deluded you are. ------------- 
|
Posted By: ghost_of_morphy
Date Posted: February 01 2009 at 18:42
My fav sax solo (really an alto and soprano duet) is Green Ice by Pink Floyd. -------------
|
Posted By: Zargus
Date Posted: February 02 2009 at 06:35
your the only one whos deluded around here.  -------------
|
Posted By: AlexUC
Date Posted: February 02 2009 at 09:55
------------- This is not my beautiful house... |
Posted By: keith_emerson
Date Posted: July 05 2010 at 21:49
Sorry for post-resucitation  But I have to say: BEST BAND EVER!!!! Forgive me |
Posted By: UndercoverBoy
Date Posted: July 05 2010 at 21:50
You are correct sir. Peter Hammill is the second coming of christ. We should start a cult around him because of his god-like genius. I want to have his children.
Anyways, I'm glad that this thread has started so I can gush about VDGG like everyone else here.
|
Posted By: UndercoverBoy
Date Posted: July 05 2010 at 21:52
|
Posted By: DisgruntledPorcupine
Date Posted: July 05 2010 at 22:32
The second one. And while not the best band ever, they are up there. Hammill is... inhuman to say the least. He's an amazingly emotional singer and one of the greatest songwriters there are. |
Posted By: Harry Hood
Date Posted: July 10 2010 at 23:36
|
I only got into Van Der Graaf a few months ago, but they quickly became my favorite band ever (replacing former favorite band Ween, who had been my favorite band for like 7 years). One day I just finally "got it" and realized what made them so brilliant and so ahead of their time (or even this time, for that matter). I've never really heard anyone handle composition in the rock band format quite like they do, and without a full-time guitarist or bassist to boot. Not to mention the fact that they just do it regardless of the circumstances. When their bassist left they didn't get a new one, they just got some bass pedals. They lost their twin-saxaphonist David Jackson? No problem. they're a trio now. Pete and Hugh and Guy just fill in Jackson's part when they're needed. And yeah, Guy Evans, one of the most underrated prog drummers ever. What he does with the instrument just blows my mind. There are moments where I swear he's carrying the whole song by himself and it's just incredible. So yeah, in conclusion, I'm glad this thread exists, because if there's any band that needs more appreciation it's The Flower Kings. And Van Der Graaf Generator. ------------- 
|
Posted By: himtroy
Date Posted: July 11 2010 at 00:38
|
They're definitely in my top 5 of all time. Probably closer to the top side too ------------- Which of you to gain me, tell, will risk uncertain pains of hell? I will not forgive you if you will not take the chance. |
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: July 11 2010 at 00:59
|
Definitely VDGG are in my top 5 greatest artists tho admittedly they are not easy to get into - you are either in or you are out - my wife can't stand them. Personally I think Pawn Hearts is one of the greatest albums in existence. ------------- 
|
Posted By: Mr. Maestro
Date Posted: July 11 2010 at 16:27
|
I got into Van der Graaf Generator VERY recently, so I'm not ready to call them the "Best. Band. Ever." However, I will say that Pawn Hearts and H to He are now some of my favorite albums ever. ------------- "I am the one who crossed through space...or stayed where I was...or didn't exist in the first place...." |
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: May 28 2011 at 08:58
|
Back to VDGG - I have been busy making prog youtube clips and made a few to VDGG - Heres some clips to listen or watch.
-------------
|
Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: May 28 2011 at 09:04
|
I also made some clips to the new VDGG 'A Grounding in Numbers' - see what you think and if you have not heard it yet here's some of the better tracks/
-------------
|
Posted By: Kazza3
Date Posted: December 17 2013 at 19:33
|
Sorry for the bump, but this seemed to be one of the few vaguely recent VdGG general threads still open. For those who have heard some of the band's remasters, particularly Godbluff & Still Life, does anyone else find the vocals very quiet? In general the sound of the albums is much improved, but I think it's something to do with what tends to broadly happen, EQ-wise, on remasters- boosting lows & boosting highs, and the vocals get a bit lost between. Though then again the other mid-range instruments sound fine.
It just bothers me, given how crucial Hammill is here, for him to feel buried at times. |
Posted By: Neo-Romantic
Date Posted: December 17 2013 at 22:39
|
I've only heard the remasters, so I can't comment on the difference. But I've never noticed anything lacking personally. In regards to the topic, my clear favorite band by a good margin. Such powerful music there... |
Posted By: Kazza3
Date Posted: December 19 2013 at 03:38
| Alright, cheers. I always find when I start comparing different masters of albums, I eventually just end up hearing every tiniest thing as wrong, so I should probably just accept it. But I'm very sure it's very significantly quieter in the full band sections. |
Posted By: I-Juca Pirama
Date Posted: December 19 2013 at 05:46
| Thanks to VDGG's Still Life, I'm into prog. The album is, for me, a masterpiece of music in general. |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: December 20 2013 at 08:23
|
Hi, I don't really have "favorite" bands or artists. I enjoy listening to so many of them that thinking one is better than the others is petty, silly and totally putty. Today, you like lollipops and tomorrow you like ______________ something else. We all change. But I can say that there are 2 or 3 folks that I have appreciated for over 20 years and then some. And in no certain order, they are Peter Hammill (I prefer the solo works), Djam Karet and Tangerine Dream. These, have, consistently, give us a variety that defies the description of "progressive" in ways that we don't really want to study and look at. All in all, you will find that 20 years from now, your choice is a bit weird and makes no sense and you are already listening to something else and you do not think that old one was as good. ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: dr prog
Date Posted: December 20 2013 at 15:19
|
If they didn't break up and produced albums in 72, 73 and 74 they may have in my top 3 prog bands. I've never been a big fan of pawn hearts though ------------- All I like is prog related bands beginning late 60's/early 70's. Their music from 1968 - 83 has the composition and sound which will never be beaten. Perfect blend of jazz, classical, folk and rock. |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: December 23 2013 at 09:44
I remember listening to "Silent Corner and Empty Stage" ... and hearing some of the lyrics, and I knew they were valuable for me. Not as "hardcore feelings", but I simply did not have the same words in my vocabulary at the time, to appreciate the strength in the poetic vision of the work.
There is a lot of work in Peter's catalog that is difficult. But in the end, when you look at the whole list, and you can say that you enjoyed so many of them, you know that you have a major artist in your midst. What else is there to know?
One simply has to get past the bumber of albums, and songs, and start thinking of it all as something else? You don't go around counting songs and albums by Debussy, or Bach or Mozart, do you? So what more do you need to realize/appreciate a major artist? ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: Billy Pilgrim
Date Posted: February 04 2014 at 01:02
| Hammill is my favorite songwriter, ever... maybe... |
Posted By: dr wu23
Date Posted: February 04 2014 at 10:29
|
Hammill is my least favorite singer ever.....maybe.
------------- One does nothing yet nothing is left undone. Haquin |
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: February 04 2014 at 17:30
|
........shower curtain imperative, in the presence of acid..........now feeling placid, is death !!
This is pure poetry to my ears....... |
Posted By: progrockdeepcuts
Date Posted: February 04 2014 at 17:53
|
Love them to death, but definitely a mood band. ------------- Listen to older shows here: mixcloud.com/progrockdeepcuts/ |
Posted By: Billy Pilgrim
Date Posted: February 07 2014 at 02:02
An acquired taste. Like a martini. He sunds gross but it's ever so enjoyable to me.
|
Posted By: Tom Ozric
Date Posted: February 07 2014 at 02:32
| ^ No-one sung in this style before him, and only try-hards exist after him. Pete is one-of-a-kind and could never be matched....(no matter how nuts....). |
Posted By: Andrea Cortese
Date Posted: February 07 2014 at 06:15
|
Hammill is a great songwriter and singer (an acquired taste, indeed). Maybe a bit too prolific...
|
Posted By: geekfreak
Date Posted: February 07 2014 at 08:05
|
Van Der Graaf Generator are one of my top prog bands. the album.
Pawn hearts is a personnel fav. ------------- Friedrich Nietzsche: "Without music, life would be a mistake." Music Is Live Two people are better off than one, for they can help each other succeed. Keep Calm And Listen To The Music… < |
Posted By: bucka001
Date Posted: February 11 2014 at 10:34
"Peter Hammill is the second coming of Christ": I've been to Hammill concerts in the 90s where people were handing out "Hammill is God" flyers. In the the 70's there was an interview where PH states that some fan outside of the concert hall painted "Hammill is God" on the band's truck. Jaxon once told me that the intensity of some fans (especially in Italy), who looked at PH as some sort of messiah, really disturbed Peter.
"We should start a cult around him...": See above. In a great review of "The Quiet Zone.." album in '77, Jonathan Barnett (from NME I think) stated, in a very positive review, something to the effect of "Forget the sick cult, this is music worth getting to know"
"I want to have his children": Has happened repeatedly throughout his career with delusional female fans. See his autobiographical story in Killers Angels Refugees, called "Audi" where he recounts a concert they played on their German tour of '71 (chick back stage story, who reckons that they'd produce the most beautiful child together, and is serious and pushy about it). Also L.A. Times article on Hammill (1985) where the writer states (great line) "Male fans lose friends because Hammill is all they want to talk about; female fans simply want to have his baby." The article goes on to talk about a recent incident with PH and some female fan (American or Canadian, can't remember)
The wierdos are out there!
------------- jc |
Posted By: geekfreak
Date Posted: March 31 2014 at 05:47
|
this band are top PROG............ Peter Hammill is a GENIUS. ------------- Friedrich Nietzsche: "Without music, life would be a mistake." Music Is Live Two people are better off than one, for they can help each other succeed. Keep Calm And Listen To The Music… < |
Posted By: frogbs
Date Posted: April 02 2014 at 16:32
|
I've heard the remasters and to be honest I'm not keen on them. They just sound incredibly loud to me. Of course, VdGG really sound best this way but a lot of dynamics get lost. I prefer the old masters cranked up :) It's unfortunate, as these albums really *could* use a remix (at least, the first four - everything from Godbluff on seems fine to me) In particular, I don't think a good mix of "The Least We Can Do" exists. I have 3 different versions of this and none of them sound good to my ears. Lately I've been cranking Vital - Live a lot. What an incredible and ruthless performance. Funny how VdGG's one live album (at least, pre-reformation) consisted of half B-sides and unreleased tracks, plus medleys of tunes that don't really go together, and 18 minutes of "Pioneers Over c" - not at all what you'd expect. Doesn't matter...it still rules!! |