Similarities between songs (just coincidence?)
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Topic: Similarities between songs (just coincidence?)
Posted By: Epyros
Subject: Similarities between songs (just coincidence?)
Date Posted: October 12 2008 at 14:24
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It may sound weird, but one of the things I enjoy the most when listening to music is recognizing similarities or even the same arrangements in songs. I don`t know if many of you find some but there are many incredible coincidences.
I will mention some of them and i'd like you to do the same and if you want to, add something to this little list, i'd like to know what you think about them:
"Phoenix" (wishbone Ash) at 6:36 with "child in time" (deep purple) section at the solo (at 5:45) : I've read that blackmore, and Andy Powell played together while blackmore was warming up for a concert and he recomended them to a producer. Furthermore the albums "In Rock" and "Wishbone Ash" were released the same year they jammed together (In rock on June but I don't know the date of WA) so there may be a connection between them that if you know I'd love to know
"Gates of Delirium" (Yes) at 18:10 and 20:22 with "Am I really losing you?" (Pendragon) at 2:30: Here it only sounds similar as the speed is different but when i listened to it my brain started searching where i had heard that before
Album Ocean by Eloy always remembers me of david guilmour's playing, theres a particular song but I don't remember but this one anyway it's quite obvious
"Master of illusion" (pendragon) at 2:20 and 3:50: this one is just a weird feeling but i think i've heard as a child this sound in bee-gees backing chorus but as i haven`t heard bee gees since then i´m not sure but it's funny =P
there are a few more where i just think I heard that before and i even think of some artists but can`t find them.
Anyway hope you post some songs or some details about phoenix and child in time
Cya
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Posted By: DantesRing
Date Posted: October 12 2008 at 14:50
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Porcupine Tree's Voyage 34 seemed to crib most of it's musical substance from Another Brick In The Wall... And Eloy reminded me of Alan Parsons Project, especially the Oceans album. Not prog, but the one that bothers me the most right now is the Foo Fighters Let It Die which seems to have lifted its main chorus from Journey's Stone In Love... ------------- I'm the shadow man, the jumping jack The man who can, but won't look back |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: October 12 2008 at 14:54
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Hey! As you know Pendragon and Floyd, check Walls of Babylon! It has the intro of Shine On and then turns into Watcher of the Skies!
Yeah there are many, it's not weird, actually it's quite normal, since most of the similarities are from old bands and new bands, which the new ones have been influenced by the old ones. And the same happens for an album that is released the same year as another, not EVERY, but there are plenty you can find out. Trespass and Atom Heart Mother have an exact chord progression in one of their songs. |
Posted By: fuxi
Date Posted: October 12 2008 at 16:05
| The opening minutes of the awful Klaus Schulze's "Mental Door" (title says it all, really) bear a strong resemblance to the opening of "Shine on You Crazy Diamond". Coincidence? Same wavelength? Outright plagiarism? Well, Klaus must have come first! (Which reminds me of a superb cartoon. You see a chicken and an egg in bed together. The chicken is smoking a cigarette and saying, with an unhappy face: 'Now we know the answer to THAT old question!') |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: October 12 2008 at 18:54
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how about "Astral Traveller" by Yes and "Can-Utility and the Coastliners" by Genesis? same riff and almost identical keyboard solo. -------------  A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: stonebeard
Date Posted: October 12 2008 at 18:57
One guitar lick. That's all. ------------- http://soundcloud.com/drewagler" rel="nofollow - My soundcloud. Please give feedback if you want! |
DantesRing wrote:Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: October 13 2008 at 04:39
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Another interesting one: 'Child in Time' by Deep Purple and 'Bombay Calling' by It's a Beautiful Day. |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: October 13 2008 at 04:51
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Geee, what an inventive topic... Anyway. Prophets of War just screams out Muse (which particular song, I don't know, just a whole heap of Muse stuff) and it's also a really crap song, easily the worst off Systematic Chaos. Lul. Can't think of any others off the top of my head... who cares really? As long as you think it kicks ass, that's all that matters. ------------- 
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Posted By: Wilcey
Date Posted: October 13 2008 at 05:06
Cool! I will dig out my BeeGee's albums and give 'em a spin!  (although, I am SERIOUSLY doubting that Nick was listening to the BeeGee's himself!  ) |
Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: October 13 2008 at 16:41
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"The Fountain of Salmacis" by Genesis and "Felona e Sorona" by Le Orme have very similar opening sections (albeit different speeds).
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Posted By: mgallard
Date Posted: October 13 2008 at 18:55
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I found one that is quite astounding: On Dream Theater's "Surrounded" on the Chaos in Motion DVD, 4'53'' before ending of the 12'53'' track there is passage that is identical to the start of Marillion's "Sugar Mice". |
Posted By: CryoftheCarrots
Date Posted: October 13 2008 at 19:38
Agree. I think Wilson even does it better!! ------------- "There is a lot in this world to be tense and intense about" MJK |
Posted By: Bitterblogger
Date Posted: October 13 2008 at 20:53
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The chorus of "We Ain't Got Nothing Yet" by the Beau Brummels (1st released). The main riff of "Black Night" by Deep Purple (2nd). |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: October 13 2008 at 21:08
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The intro to Return of the Giant Hogweed is quite similar to the one from Lady Fantasy, not the same chords but still similar.
Kiss' Makin' Love has the exact riff from Whole Lotta Love from Zep, though it might be a tribute song, surely. |
Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: October 13 2008 at 21:26
Deep Purple ripped that off from It's a Beautiful Day, they finally paid tribute with a live CD recorded in India called Bombay Calling. |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: October 13 2008 at 21:36
Also as a "trade", It's A Beautiful Day later ripped off Wring that Neck from Purple. |
Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: October 13 2008 at 22:38
Let's not forget the mother of all rip-offs. Led Zep's Stairway to Heaven (you've perhaps heard that song  ) is a flat-out lift of Spirit's Taurus, from their first album. But then Zep was never shy about uncredited appropriation.
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: October 14 2008 at 05:01
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The ending of Anekdoten's Karelia is very similar to King Crimsons Red, though I'd bet that was intentional.
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Posted By: Easy Money
Date Posted: October 14 2008 at 05:47
| Regarding the Wishbone and Purple jams mentioned in the original post, that is just a common riff and psuedo boogie rhythm that was common in the early 70s. Listen to Camel and Focus from the same time period and you will find similar jams, also the jam part to ZZ Top's LaGrange. |
Posted By: aprusso
Date Posted: October 14 2008 at 06:33
| The beginning of The magic roundabout (IQ) sounds like Does it really happen to you by Yes |
Posted By: Jorvik
Date Posted: October 14 2008 at 08:58
Talking of Anekdoten, this doesn't relate to tracks sounding similar, but it is sort of related... Some lines from a Cathedral song (The Crossing, I think, but I'm at work at the moment and can't check) appear almost word-for-word in the same Anekdoten song, Thoughts In Absence, but in a different order to when they appear in the Cathedral one. Thoughts In Absence, http://anekdoten.se - Anekdoten [verse 1] face my fears, my soul is absorbed into black dry my tears, fear and pain is what i lack ... ... but life begins and ends with pain ... ... [verse 2] ... dance for me, my soul shall end its futile ride ... ... but life begins and ends with pain ... ... but i walk this earth no more The Crossing, Cathedral stanza 5 contains the line: My soul shall end its futal [sic] ride stanza 6 ends: Pain and fear is what I lack My flame absorbed into the black The last line of the lyric is admittedly a bit more generic: To walk this earth no more The song The Search later on the album contains the line "Lives begin and end in pain" Edit: updated the similarities -- there are more than I first realised and one is in a different Cathedral song. I'm conscious of not posting too much of the lyrics of each song, consequently there are many elipses and gaps. The words jumped out at me the first time I listened to Stained Glass Stories, having heard the Anekdoten first. Of course, Cathedral predates Anekdoten by quite a while. ------------- I ljuset frĺn min lykta ser jag skuggan utav sorg drömmar som har slocknat ifrĺn ett liv som haft sin tid |
Posted By: AcostaFulano
Date Posted: October 14 2008 at 11:47
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I'm surprised nobody mentioned the similarity between 21st Century Schizoid man by KC and Steve Hackett's Mechanical Bride
Beleive me, the songs are IDENTICAL, the structure follows the same line, and even the riffs and the sections somehow sound alike
even the lyrics and the mood of the song is identical
anyone else heard that? if not, give it a try ASAP.
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Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: October 14 2008 at 12:30
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^Which album is Mechanical Bride on? ------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005
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Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: October 14 2008 at 15:02
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My favorite one from 80's pop was Van Halen's "Best of Both Worlds" lifting it's main riff straight off of Kool and the Gang's "Celebration"
Anglagard quotes "Firth of Fifth" in the song Skogsranden but as someone else said that may be intentional. ------------- You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all. |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: October 14 2008 at 15:25
yes, I think this song is kind of an homage to King Crimson by Hackett ------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: October 14 2008 at 15:31
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I was listening to "Machine Messiah" by Yes and at the very end, the notes and the synthesizer sound almost exactly like "Welcome to the Machine". I mean that if you listen to about a second of the end of the song, and a second of certain parts of WTTM then you would swear they're the same. They even share a similar name. Coincidence? ------------- 
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Posted By: The Pessimist
Date Posted: October 14 2008 at 16:43
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I think that the ending to Mostly Autumn's "Heroes Never Die" sounds uncannily like Everyday - Steve Hackett. ------------- "Market value is irrelevant to intrinsic value." Arnold Schoenberg |
Posted By: Bitterblogger
Date Posted: October 14 2008 at 21:35
Neither were ELP:
The Barbarian (from Bartok)
The Only Way (from J.S. Bach)
Touch And Go (from Vaughan-Williams)
Mussorgsky and Prokofiev somehow got credited. Must be that Russian take-no-prisoners attitude.
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Posted By: OzzProg
Date Posted: October 14 2008 at 22:29
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I find "Gates of Delirium" has many parts that sound just like IQ's "Harvest of Souls", its got some of the same song structure, just in a different order.
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Posted By: AcostaFulano
Date Posted: October 15 2008 at 01:10
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Posted By: omri
Date Posted: October 15 2008 at 08:39
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I wrote it few months ago. Nick Cave's "Janglin' Jack" sounds very similar to Spirogyra's "Jungle lore" (the second part of the epic "In the western world" from Bels, boots and shambles). ------------- omri |
Posted By: casssy
Date Posted: October 15 2008 at 17:06
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Some could be coincidental, while some could be the result of the artist's influences. While others just don't have the originality.
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: October 15 2008 at 17:28
I'll check that one out! thx for the info |
Posted By: keiser willhelm
Date Posted: October 16 2008 at 03:19
there was this one marillion song that sounded a lot like this one genesis song. . .  ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/KeiserWillhelm" rel="nofollow - What im listening to |
Posted By: prog4evr
Date Posted: October 16 2008 at 05:12
| Keyboard or organ portions of Glass Hammer's "Empty Space & Revealer" (on 'Chronometree') compared to ELP's 'Tarkus.' I think Steve Babb had Tarkus on the brain (and that's a good thing!) |
Posted By: Moogtron III
Date Posted: October 16 2008 at 07:41
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I see quite some resemblance in the opening moments of Yes' Parallels and Van Halen's Jump. Especially when the drums come rolling in. Am I the only one?
Yes was first, of course.
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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: October 16 2008 at 07:52
Or indeed, KC's first album and their second one (not a jab at them, BTW, I love both albums... they're just identical) There was mention of IQ's 'Harvest Of Souls' sounding similar in parts to 'Gates Of Delerium'; this surprised me, as I always think of HoS (which is one of the greatest tracks I've heard in a long while) as an out and out tribute to 'Suppers Ready' ------------- 
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: October 16 2008 at 08:00
It surprised me too. "Harvest of Soul" is an obvious tribute to Supper's Ready, from the acoustic opening to the instrumental section in odd time to the dramatic ending. Different structure to Gates which builds up to the battle section then has a gentle ending.
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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: October 16 2008 at 08:17
The section in 9/8 time halfway through is almost identical to Supper's Ready, even down to the synth solos... in my own humble opinion, there is no way IQ wrote HoS as anything but an homage - but what a homage  -------------
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Posted By: Inferno
Date Posted: October 16 2008 at 12:36
Since it's on the life DVD, I have to tell..it's probably IS the passage of Marillion's Sugar Mice. Dream likes to do things like that on live event. Giving some little prog passage in the middle of their own instrumental passage. As for rip-off: Harvest of soul from IQ and Supper's Ready from Genesis. Same lengh, same structure, same structure in the keyboard solo part, same structure or nearly same in the intro part. The only thing that is not the same is the middle...instead of using Supper's ready, they did a rip-off of ALL their repertoire with a little bit of Heart of the sunrise in it!!! Then again, Any band like Magic Pie is a good Rip off title holder! How can you Do it better then they did. Being a band that ripped riff off Bands like Spock's Beard and Flower king (witch are the master of Re-inventing prog of the 70's...Retro-prog that is for today!!) that made their career out of being inspired DIRECTLY or by Ripping the 70's classic prog band!! Add a little bit of Deep Purple in the mix...shake it and Magic Pie came out of it! Circus Maximus first album is quite something too: Do the test, seperate the rip-off from Dream Theater and Symphony X while you listening to it...it's quite fun!! I think Symphony X is the winner in the most used rip-off vein on that album but I can't remember and can't listen to it since I've throwed out on the highway after the first listen! |
Posted By: LiquidEternity
Date Posted: October 16 2008 at 12:40
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The endings of Devin Townsend's Wild Colonial Boy and Ayreon's Ye Courtyard Minstrel Boy. They are almost identical--and they're singing almost identical lyrics, too! Check it out. Makes me laugh every time, though I doubt Devin truly ripped off Ayreon in any way. Seems like coincidence to me.
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Posted By: Draith
Date Posted: October 16 2008 at 23:28
| Did anyone else notice that Queensryche's "Silent Lucidity" sounds an awful lot like Pink Floyd's "Mother," or is it just me? |
Posted By: BaldJean
Date Posted: October 17 2008 at 05:56
not to forget "Knife Edge", which is taken from Leo Janáček's "Sinfonietta" ------------- A shot of me as High Priestess of Gaia during our fall festival. Ceterum censeo principiis obsta |
Posted By: yesman1972
Date Posted: October 17 2008 at 19:26
| I am always noticing similarities between songs by prog artists. I always take a look at these lists and am consistently shocked to never see a mention of a very obvious case of a band basing their sound on another band. Altough I love Genesis, they sound almost exactly like a slightly updated verision of Procol Harum. As a matter of fact, the opening chords to Supper's Ready are nearly identical to Procol's A Salty Dog. The classical keyboard, the guitar's role as basically a solo instrument, the soulful delivery of their singers, the multi-part suites, odd times etc. are present in both bands. The only other person I hear as firmly implanted in the music of Genesis is Steve Winwood. His work with Traffic in the 60s was apparently a giant influence on Peter Gabriel's voice. |
Posted By: Negoba
Date Posted: October 18 2008 at 18:18
I assume this is a joke. I love Queensryche but that song is such a blatant rip on Pink Floyd as to be cringe-inducing. The I-I-I that is taken straight from "Comfortably Numb" goes beyond homage. The fact that it made them a gazillion dollars in an era when every metal band seemed to make a bundle off of a sellout song on their albums "To Be With You" being the worst, "More than Words" was at least a half way interesting song.
Then again, I might be willing to play Pink Floyd songs in front of people for a gazillion dollars. Maybe I need a new job.
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Posted By: Bitterblogger
Date Posted: October 20 2008 at 14:46
You're right; I had this nagging feeling I'd forgotten something. . .
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Posted By: Gentlegiantprog
Date Posted: October 20 2008 at 17:41
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Sorry I can't remember the specifics, but one of the songs of the newest Dream Theater album (assuming that that's still Systematic Chaos) steals heavily from 'Natural Science,' by Rush.
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Posted By: Alberto Muńoz
Date Posted: October 20 2008 at 18:19
Yeah in fact Jon Lord states that they ripped off the main riff of that song, only playing more slow... -------------  |
Posted By: Zitro
Date Posted: October 20 2008 at 20:45
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Achilles Last Stand from Led Zeppelin and the whole Iron Maiden =P |
Posted By: Coolcosmos
Date Posted: October 20 2008 at 21:08
| Nobody except me noticed the very beggining of from the begining (ELP) and the very beggining of Roundabout are almost the same thing? |
Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: October 20 2008 at 21:11
Yep, ELP were pretty good at it themselves. I knew about The Barbarian, but didn't know about Knife Edge.
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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: October 21 2008 at 02:48
There is a huge difference between just outright stealing and adapting a symphonic movement and listing credit. ELP made their sources very clear in the album lit. LZ just played and sang old blues tunes word for word with little acknowledgment, or none if they didn't have to.(Willie dixon gets credit for a couple) And.... another example of using a classical piece is the intro to Deep Purple's version of I'm So Glad which is derived from Rimsky-Korsakov's Scheherazade. I don't have a copy of Shades anymore, so I don't know if they gave credit. Anybody else know? And veering back to the original prog vs prog scenario, Maxaphone has a keyboard passage on Al Mancato Compleanno Di una Faffalla that comes straight from ELP's Tarkus at the end of Stones of years. The song Fase has got numerous King Crimson passages, the most obvious come from Pictures of a City. It sounds more like an homage than immitation. ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow">  https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: Bitterblogger
Date Posted: October 21 2008 at 16:10
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[/QUOTE] There is a huge difference between just outright stealing and adapting a symphonic movement and listing credit. ELP made their sources very clear in the album lit. [/QUOTE] From Wikipedia:
"[For Emerson, Lake & Palmer] the band used lengthy note-for-note extracts from composers including Bach, Janáček, and Bartók. "Although the composition of the first track, 'Barbarian', is attributed to the three band members, it is effectively an arrangement for rock band of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%A9la_Bart%C3%B3k - Bartók s 1911 piano piece, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegro_barbaro - Allegro Barbaro . The third track, 'Knife Edge', is based on the first movement of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo%C5%A1_Jan%C3%A1%C4%8Dek - Janáček s Sinfonietta (1926) with an instrumental middle section that includes an extended quotation from the Allemande of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Sebastian_Bach - Johann Sebastian Bach 's first French Suite in D minor, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BWV - BWV 812, but played on an organ rather than clavichord or piano. None of these quotations were attributed on the original album release. "With Emerson, Lake & Powell, the main theme to Touch & Go is identical to the English Folk Song Lovely Joan, better known as the counterpoint tune in Ralph Vaughan Williams 'Fantasia on Greensleeves' Not credited." Just to set the record straight. Perhaps on subsequent cuttings, credit was attributed, but not originally. |
Posted By: decypher
Date Posted: October 21 2008 at 17:29
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Sieges Even Steps - A Tangerine Window of Solace IV , the last 10 seconds always reminded me of Jacobs Ladder... And some 90's-b (or c?) Prog: Ines - "Hunting the Fox" , the main theme in "In the Distance" is a rip-off of IQs "Leap of Faith", but thats fine, as nobody really knows that album anyway . |
Posted By: Bitterblogger
Date Posted: October 21 2008 at 18:10
Good one. Try also comparing "Roundabout" and the start of "Will O' The Wisp" (from Beginnings). Of course, Howe is only stealing from himself.
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Posted By: omri
Date Posted: October 22 2008 at 11:27
No ! I did not notice. I'm going to check it today ! ------------- omri |
Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: October 22 2008 at 11:32
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Anyone noticed that the guitar lick at the end of "Fairies Wear Boots" by Black Sabbath are pretty much the same as the one in the intro to "For Whom the Bell Tolls" by Metallica? (Might be in a diffrent key, but still!) And the intro to "Sole Survivor" by Asia keeps reminding me of "The Gates of Delirium" by Yes. |
Posted By: Bobby Corwen
Date Posted: October 23 2008 at 17:11
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i don't know whether anyone else from the uk noticed how the DFS furniture store tune sounded like a complete rip-off of Porcupine Tree's Arriving Somewhere But Not Here Also the Theater get dangerously close to plaguerism in Octavarium on numerous occasions (Muse, for example) ------------- what is mind...doesn't matter...what is matter....nevermind...HAHAH!! |
Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: October 23 2008 at 17:22
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Mike Keneally's "Day of the Cow 2" burst into a humorously demented Enter Sandman (by Metallica)reminiscent riff halfway through the song. Definitely intentional, as Enter Sandman was recorded in 1991 and Day of the Cow in 1992.
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Posted By: cobb2
Date Posted: October 23 2008 at 22:23
| 12 tones and 500 years of using them- things have got to repeat. |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: October 23 2008 at 22:38
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Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: October 23 2008 at 22:46
Unfortunately, no side credits were listed on ELP's first. The Barbarian was presented as an ELP original. I love ELP and it pains me to say this, but much of Emerson's career was based on the work of the Jacques Loussier Trio, who in the I think early-60's were doing a Bach/jazz mixture. I'm speculating here, but I'm guessing Emerson got the idea to mix classical/rock was entirely based on the Trio. Does not however detract from the quality of what he did with those ideas.
As I've said before, rock and jazz and blues musicians will shamelessly appropriate what has come before for all it is worth. Witness Dylan's more recent albums...
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Posted By: AngleofRepose
Date Posted: October 23 2008 at 22:54
| Metallica's Welcome Home start sounds similar to Strawb's Down by the Sea. |
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: October 23 2008 at 23:47
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Posted By: jimmy_row
Date Posted: October 23 2008 at 23:52
| ^ Is that a re-issue? They sort of had to give credit after the lawsuit; in similar fashion to Zeppelin II. |
Posted By: Abrawang
Date Posted: October 23 2008 at 23:59
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I always thought that the opening riff from Heart of the Sunrise was very similar to the instrumental section of 20th Century Schizoid.
Parts of Firth of Fifth always remind me of the Court of the Crimson King.
Yes snatched a few pieces of the Big Valley Suite in No Opportunity Necessary, No Experience Needed. The opening bars and the main instrumental melofy are direct lifts.
Pink Floyd were obviously influenced by Lennon's lyrics in Accross the Universe
"Sounds of laughter shades of life
are ringing through my open ears exciting and inviting me " Floyd from Echoes:
"Cloudless every day you fall
Upon my waking eyes Inviting and inciting me to rise" The main instrumental refrain in Echoes was later ripped off by Andrew Lloyd Webber in Phantom of the Opera.
I've noticed a couple of borrowings in Renaissance.
The instrumental in Can You Understand is a direct lift of a piece in Doctor Zhivago.
The opening of Scheherazade uses (intentionally I'm sure) the same into as the same-titled piece by Rinsky-Korsakov. ------------- Casting doubt on all I have to say... |
Posted By: jimmy_row
Date Posted: October 24 2008 at 00:04
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Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: October 24 2008 at 02:51
I am not aware of a lawsuit, do go on. ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow"> https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: omri
Date Posted: October 26 2008 at 05:23
Well, I did check it and you are right. There are few note of the beginings of the songs that are exactly the same. still, the ELP version (which was made later) moves on after a short time so even legaly it is too short to becalled palagiasm. ------------- omri |
Posted By: omri
Date Posted: October 26 2008 at 05:26
On my CD it is written that Bartok's wife was very unhappy both with not mentioning the source and the way it sounds. So, I'm not sure there was a lawsuit but definitely a claim for wrong use of the music. ------------- omri |
Posted By: ignatiusrielly
Date Posted: October 29 2008 at 14:49
I once read in an interview with Greg Lake that Mrs. Bartok actually called them, I think they sorta made an agreement. He said "It was like having Mrs. Beethoven on the phone" or something like that. Apparently they had thought that Bartok's music was on public domain. ------------- Four pails of water and a bagfull of salts |
Posted By: sean
Date Posted: October 29 2008 at 15:11
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I've found a lot of apparent rip-offs in Dream Theater songs.
Peruvian Skies-Have a Cigar by Pink Floyd (last year i was listening to have a cigar and my roommate, who is obsessed with DT, came in and said "that sounds familiar" and i explained that Pink Floyd wrote the song first.)
Part of Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence reminds me of "The Wall" by Kansas, though I can't remember which part, and I don't have the inspiration to go listen to it because I've got some Zappa going on and I can't have that interrupted.
Never Enough from Octavarium sounds like "Stockholme Syndrome" by Muse, and the intro of the title track of that album is from "Shine on You Crazy Diamond". Also, the way he says "trapped inside this octavarium" is taken from Tool's "Third Eye".
Prophets of War is from Muse's "Take a Bow"
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Posted By: Bj-1
Date Posted: October 29 2008 at 15:16
And the instrumental section of Schizoid Man is suspiciously similar to the original Mission Impossible theme.
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Posted By: Anaon
Date Posted: October 29 2008 at 15:58
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The opening of Juggling 9 Dropping 10 by Enchant... Don't you think it sounds like a particular Rush song (I just forgot its name!)
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Posted By: ignatiusrielly
Date Posted: October 29 2008 at 16:24
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In the song Animal bar from the RHCP album Stadium Arcadium, aprox at 4:49 there´s a solo that to my ears sounds way too similar to Steve Howe's opening solo on The revealing science of god. The notes are not the same (Frusciante´s no Howe, that´s for sure!!!) but the overall thing sounds too close (to my ears at least) to be a coincidence. Strangely enough, Tales is probably THE prog hater´s album, and I haven´t found any wise critic who has noticed the similarity. Is it just me? Tell me people, am I going insane???
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Posted By: omri
Date Posted: November 06 2008 at 01:24
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Yesterday I thought I discovered another one. I listened to Hatfield and the north the rotters club and there is a bonus track called "Oh, lens nature" and it is the music of Matching mole "Nan true's hole". Then I found out the former is an anagrama of the latter. I was quite proud of myself being able to recognize an anagrama in English. ------------- omri |
Posted By: thought-house
Date Posted: November 06 2008 at 13:53
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Peter Gabriel - Solsbury Hill & Asia - Only Time Will Tell? I think these songs are somewhat similar. |
Posted By: Bitterblogger
Date Posted: November 06 2008 at 20:05
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Another one that's really just the same song: "Boundaries" by Jon Anderson and "Somehow, Someday" by Yes. |
Posted By: hawkcwg
Date Posted: November 07 2008 at 01:46
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man i would be to lazy to do all of this but look at my bulletin that is a similarity about a Gong song and a Red Hot Chili Peppers song.
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: November 13 2008 at 12:47
For more of the same, check out Spiral Architect by Black Sabbath, the beginning is very similar to From the Beginning by ELP. |
Posted By: BaldFriede
Date Posted: November 13 2008 at 14:06
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There is a part in "The Snow Goose" by Camel (somewhere at the beginning of side 2; haven't heard "The Snow Goose" for years so I can't be more specific)) which sounds just like Pink Floyd's "Echoes" just before the "noise" part. -------------  BaldJean and I; I am the one in blue. |
Posted By: Toaster Mantis
Date Posted: November 15 2008 at 13:24
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As befits a band this shamelessly retro, Monster Magnet have borrowed a lot of riffs from bands on the PA. Twin Earth is basically Captain Beyond's Mesmerization Eclipse with different lyrics, Look to your Orb for the Warning's main riff is very similar to that of Uriah Heep's Gypsy, similar deal with Radiation Day and Black Sabbath's After Forever.
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Posted By: Spydrfish
Date Posted: November 25 2008 at 01:57
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Atisha's (Very Obscure band) song "Life" steals in the intro from the intro to Genesis' "Dance on a Volcano" Empty Tremor's "The eyes of Universe" Rips off Dream theater's "Under a Glass moon" Sieges Even's "Dimensions" intro sounds like Rush's Xanadu Apple Pie's "Crossroad" Copies (Or is way too similar to) Dream Theater's "Blind Faith" Arena's "Waiting for the flood" in the middle sounds like the intro to Queensryche's "Silent Lucidity" Sieges even's "Tangerine Windows of Solace" Has a part like the Syncopated part near the end of Jacob's ladder By Rush And the last part does something Similar to Rush's "Hemispheres" Pagan's Mind song "The Prophecies of Pleiades" copies Dream Theater's "Learning to live" The Flower Kings songs "End on a high note" and "Minor Giant Steps" use the same keyboard tone as the intro to Yes' "Gates of Delirium" Dream Theater's Trial of Tears intro... Is Suspiciously Similar to Rush's "Xanadu" Also Pagan's mind's Song "Aegan shores" Uses the same Drum Beat as Under Glass moon Opeth's Benighted sounded like a Camel song...forgot the name however. The enchant song mentioned was "Paint the picture"...which sounds like Rush's "Xanadu" --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Most are just similar of course... But some just seem like Plagiarism (Or "Homages") And yeah...That is what I have found (That hasn't been said before) It kind of bothers me...but it never turns me away from any of the bands... ------------- This Space For Rent |
Posted By: zachfive
Date Posted: November 26 2008 at 01:15
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Camel's song Mystic Queen has a guitar riff that resembles the beginning of A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers. ...and I always think the beginning to Steve Millers song, Jet Airliner, has a similar sound to the beginning of REO Speedwagons Dreamweaver. |
Posted By: kevboy
Date Posted: November 27 2008 at 11:06
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Gonna pick on ITBITES , !!! The track Whole New World is a very similar chorus to YES track Time and a word , And dont get me started on M ARILLION I E Market Square Heroes beats the GENESIS cliche barrier at a spurious rate.. ------------- TALLSHIPS |
Posted By: St.Cleve Chronicle
Date Posted: November 29 2008 at 02:46
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Genesis' "The musical box" and Deep Purple's "Child in time" sound a bit similar to me. Propably a coincidence. |
Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: November 29 2008 at 03:44
See what you mean. Parts of "Rhayader Goes to Town" does sound similar to the Jamming-part of "Echoes". But not THAT similar. |
Posted By: AlexUC
Date Posted: November 29 2008 at 10:10
The glass prison and This dying soul...
I can't think of any!  ------------- This is not my beautiful house... |
Posted By: kevboy
Date Posted: November 30 2008 at 10:19
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Sugar Mice guitar solo just copies and pastes Floyds Mother . So the moral seems to be wait for the 30 year anniversary with the extra track that wasnt on the last five releases of the album ! ------------- TALLSHIPS |
Posted By: Spydrfish
Date Posted: December 16 2008 at 17:51
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After getting the Debut Album From Iluvatar I noticed Two Songs wtih Similarities The Intro to "New Found Key" Is Similar to the verses of Genesis' "Watcher of the Skies" The Song Marionette Has Similar Guitar to Marillion's "Sugar Mice" And both songs share a lyrics (With the same notes) Marillion "Blame it on me," Iluvatar "I can Blame it on everyone else" ------------- This Space For Rent |
Posted By: topofsm
Date Posted: December 23 2008 at 11:37
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Hey guys has anybody noticed the similarity between the final 20 seconds of "Parabola" by Tool and the harmonic intro to "Roundabout"? It's strikingly similar, and I'm not really sure whether Tool would be Yes fans or not, but it almost sounds like an homage to them. -------------
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Posted By: Nowhere Man
Date Posted: December 28 2008 at 21:40
Yes, I've noticed that too. Whenever I hear the opening of From The Beginning, I always think it's Roundabout. Everyone seems to be focused on technical stuff, the notes and whatnot, and who ripped off who. However, two songs that seems to be very similar to me in a superficial way (the overall structure of the songs, not the riffs) are Van Der Graaf Generator's "Killer" and "21st Century Schizoid Man". Both are very aggressive songs with powerful saxophone. Both have dramatic vocals and both are about the same length. Both begin with brief instrumental sections that act as introductions. Then each have a few stanzas of vocals. These are followed by instrumental sections, Fripp's guitar and Banton's...well some keyboard instrument I assume. After that, they each have barely tolerably sections of squawky, spazzy saxophone (the most noticeable similarity between the two). Then each returns the original sound of the song, a few more lyrics (about the same amount, not as many as before) then the songs end. I'm certainly not saying that Hammill ripped off King Crimson, as the songs don't really sound that much alike and are different as far as the actual notes go, but they are structured very similarly. ------------- 
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Posted By: Okocha
Date Posted: December 29 2008 at 09:01
Harvest of souls(2004) by IQ has parts that sound like Gates of Delirium(1974) by Yes. |
Posted By: Anthony
Date Posted: December 29 2008 at 17:16
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These two videos might interest you:
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=5zkVSjFuClM - http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=5zkVSjFuClM
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=6heTXn39tTY - http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=6heTXn39tTY ------------- Future prosperity lies in the way you heal the world with love (Introitus - The hand that feeds you) |
Posted By: Spydrfish
Date Posted: December 29 2008 at 20:10
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One I just Found Today, perhaps it's some traditional Folk type Melody But. Theophany by Proto Kaw at 1:30 Sounds Like Iron Maiden's The Legacy, the recurring Melody after 3:22 The same goes for Opeth's "Black Rose Immortal" at 2:17 compared to The intro of "The Battle or Waterloo" By Running Wild ------------- This Space For Rent |
Posted By: Jake Kobrin
Date Posted: December 29 2008 at 20:44
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The main riff of So Called Friend by Porcupine Tree is a rip off of Flood by Tool.
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Posted By: easytargets
Date Posted: January 05 2009 at 05:57
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I´ve been listening to The perfect element - Part 1 by Pain of Salvation in the last days
and there´s a song called Idioglossia which contains very similar parts with a bonus track
(The thing that never was) by OSI. PoS album is from 2000 and OSI´s from 2003.
I think some parts from the beginning of both songs are exactly the same. ------------- The water rushes over all cities crash in the mighty wave; the final man is very small, plunging in for his final bathe |
Posted By: mrcozdude
Date Posted: January 05 2009 at 14:37
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Wasn't there a thread ages ago,where everyone listed songs Dream Theatre ripped off? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/cozfunkel/" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Spydrfish
Date Posted: January 07 2009 at 13:27
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The Epic off of Nosound's "Lightdark" has a part in the middle like PT's "The Sky Moves Sideways, Phase Two" They also mention PT as an Influence. ------------- This Space For Rent |
Posted By: progrules
Date Posted: January 07 2009 at 14:12
Some interesting points being made here ! The first (Hemispheres): compare it to the last minute of No Stranger by Saga (Worlds apart). Talking about similarity ...
The second (DT vs Rush): totally agree (same as Am I really losing you/Gates of Delirium) and then we get to your last remark there. I do believe Nick Barrett could have done it as a homage to Yes. Because Nick is too great a musician to just copy and hoping nobody will notice. But there is huge similarity indeed.
And I'm really curious which of the cases are plagiarism and which are homages because that's a significant difference of course. ------------- A day without prog is a wasted day |