'Pink Floyd not prog'???
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Topic: 'Pink Floyd not prog'???
Posted By: fuxi
Subject: 'Pink Floyd not prog'???
Date Posted: October 08 2008 at 17:25
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Some stupid hack on the Guardian website has deemed it necessary to attack our beloved prog all over again:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2008/oct/08/pink.floyd.not.prog.rock - http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2008/oct/08/pink.floyd.not.prog.rock He obviously doesn't have a clue what wonderful music falls under the prog umbrella! As usual, the best thing about this silly article are the reactions from those who come to prog's defense - including yours truly. 
Rock on. ADMIN EDIT: made reference into a real link. |
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Posted By: aapatsos
Date Posted: October 08 2008 at 17:34
| ...short minded??? |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: October 08 2008 at 17:40
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summary for those too lazy: 1. I love Pink Floyd 2. I hate most other "prog" 3. Therefore, Pink Floyd cannot and are not prog. |
Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: October 08 2008 at 17:45
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that was a rather painful read because it was stupid. ;P I wonder what the songs Atom Heart Mother and Echoes are, if not prog. ------------- FREEDOM OF SPEECH GO TO HELL |
Posted By: explodingjosh
Date Posted: October 08 2008 at 18:22
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I don't care.
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: October 08 2008 at 18:27
| Huh? His "speech" is quite controversial, in the way that he says one thing and then denies it in a subtle way or maybe not.. |
Posted By: Anthony
Date Posted: October 08 2008 at 18:45
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Well, even David Gilmour doesn't consider Pink Floyd to be prog. ------------- Future prosperity lies in the way you heal the world with love (Introitus - The hand that feeds you) |
Posted By: TGM: Orb
Date Posted: October 08 2008 at 19:07
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That was a poor article. Writing a response would be a waste of time. |
Posted By: meptune
Date Posted: October 08 2008 at 19:49
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Troll. Not worth a thought.
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Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: October 08 2008 at 20:10
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TGM: Orb wrote:Posted By: ignatiusrielly
Date Posted: October 08 2008 at 21:21
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We don´t see things as they are, we see them as we are.
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Posted By: anoah
Date Posted: October 08 2008 at 22:41
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Well, I understand the point: that great bands are often labeled quickly and hastily, without much regard for the music...but, the author clearly doesn't understand enough about prog to really write this article. "Prog-rock pit falls"? What a joke!
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: October 08 2008 at 23:12
Let's declare a fatwa on the guy.... ------------- 
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: October 09 2008 at 00:52
Hey, that would be more logical than a good chunk of the discussion here! ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: keiser willhelm
Date Posted: October 09 2008 at 01:08
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how is a 7/4 rhythm compilcated? lol Creed plays in 7/4. creed must be PROG! im going to start a page dedicated to all things scott stapp and/orr creed. i expect them to be in the archives within a week. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/KeiserWillhelm" rel="nofollow - What im listening to |
Posted By: Angelo
Date Posted: October 09 2008 at 03:03
You'd be kicked of the site sooner than that for blasphemy...   More on topic: just checked the article and the reactions on the Guardian site. I did recognize a few quotes that were also posted here, as well as a few familiar names. Looks like we have some defenders out there... ------------- http://www.iskcrocks.com" rel="nofollow - ISKC Rock Radio I stopped blogging and reviewing - so won't be handling requests. Promo's for ariplay can be sent to [email protected] |
Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: October 09 2008 at 03:11
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Right then; time to be a dick:
I never said that Pink Floyd was a hardcore prog band. I don't think anyone ever has. However, there is no denying that the Floyd was an ART band. I mean, they released a rock opera in the middle of the punk era; who else on earth had the guts to do that?
I notice the author of the article uses the word "experimental." This brings to mind the ole saying: "Loud music I like is hard rock; loud music I think is stupid is heavy metal." Ergo, according to this chap, "Artsy music I like is 'experimental' or 'challenging;' artsy music I don't like is prog."
Wacky time signatures
A prime example taking something small that prog is famous for and Pink Floyd doesn't have a lot of. Okay, he's got me there; the Floyd weren't all about the time signatures (and the time signature to "Money" sounded a bit like "lookit me, I can play in a funny time). But this is a bit like the "man-who" argument: "People who smoke tend to die young." "Well, I know a man-who smokes and is eighty."
"Pink Floyd can't be prog because they only did 7/4 once." Good for them. Now let's talk about song length, eh? (Coincidentally, I didn't know that "Dance on a Volcano" was 7/4. Huh.)
Jazz: Delicious hot, disgusting cold
So, no real jazz tendencies in The Floyd, eh? What about that previously mentioned "Money?" It's got a saxaphone, and sax=jazz. Okay, but seriously, the part where the gang drops the melody, and it's Gilmour trading off licks with himself? I think that's a pretty safe bet to call that jazz influenced.
To ignore a jazz streak in the Floyd is to ignore some of other Wright's solos (what about "San Tropez," huh?), as well as the general "let's do a slow jam type of thing" feeling on most of the band's output (like that whole "Shine On" thing). Likewise, one could argue that Genesis wasn't exactly a jazz band, but they're prog enough...
Lyrics
Okay, no. No. NO. If it's pointless and/or "deep" lyrics you want, look no further than the pre-Darkside material. And Animals (to cite one of "his" records again) is certainly progressive in the concept album fits the lyrics nonsense. "Dogs" is a large, perhaps not terribly complex, but still fairly dense metaphor.
Be careful what you borrow
Now this is just silly. Didn't the Floyd create an album of orchestral work? I may not be a musical genius or nothin', but I DO know that whenever a rock musician creates symphonic material, it tends to...sound a little similar to said rocker's childhood hero, be he Bach or Mozart or Pagganini (sic, I'm sure). And they sure as sh*t didn't come up that last part of "Saucerful of Secrets" themselves...
(If it's something of a slightly more modern bent you'd be after, check no further than The Wall's ever so, ever so slight similarity to Tommy.)
Good ole prime example of how popular prog is these days; really makes me admire Muse all the more for coming right out and citing their progressive influences and pretentions.
Based on his examples (Yes=bad and Beefheart=good) makes me think about that someone is using the prog/experimental=bad/good shield (that I pretty much just invented there). This is someone who doesn't understand that prog isn't a sound, and it's a state of mind.
In other words, he's still angry that Tarkus turned out to be a joke, and no one filled him in. Poor chap.
Pink Floyd doesn't SOUND like prog, at least the way this fella understands it, but it's prog at heart, and that's what matters. They may not be a bunch of crazy elf hat wearing, jazz worshipping, mellotron virtuosos, but they're still a load of dumb-ass concept writing, lengthy, w**kthy, keyboard experimenting, pretentious b*****ds, and that's good enough for me. ------------- "There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson |
Posted By: fusionfreak
Date Posted: October 09 2008 at 03:55
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I don't care about what the journalist has written:always the same antiprog propaganda and prejudice!
I'm listening to Magma at the moment  !------------- I was born in the land of Mahavishnu,not so far from Kobaia.I'm looking for the world of searchers with the help from crimson king |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: October 09 2008 at 04:03
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Pink Floyd needs more 17/8 time stuff :D ------------- 
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Posted By: poslednijat_colobar
Date Posted: October 09 2008 at 04:04
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It's ridiculous!Pink Floyd is one of the proggest bands of all time!
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Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: October 09 2008 at 04:10
Now that...would be impressive. ------------- "There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: October 09 2008 at 04:15
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Posted By: poslednijat_colobar
Date Posted: October 09 2008 at 04:16
| This guy from interview,told that he hate 7/4! It's irregular tempo. It's genius. I would like to ask you,guys,is that the real tempo of Dance on a Volcano?I thought it is 5/4??? |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 09 2008 at 04:18
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: October 09 2008 at 04:18
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^7/4 is irregular? I must not be on the same planet then.
It's been used for centuries mate. Something tells me that makes it pretty regular.
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: October 09 2008 at 04:19
Whis, you made David happy  -------------
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Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: October 09 2008 at 04:21
That's what SHE said! Ha! ...Wait, what...? ------------- "There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: October 09 2008 at 04:23
^I ain't no woman.........Ya damn woman -------------
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 09 2008 at 04:23
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heavy pork |
Posted By: The Whistler
Date Posted: October 09 2008 at 04:26
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Well, if nothing else, it must contain the most insulting defense of prog and/or Pink Floyd ever compiled on this site. ------------- "There seem to be quite a large percentage of young American boys out there tonight. A long way from home, eh? Well so are we... Gotta stick together." -I. Anderson |
Posted By: poslednijat_colobar
Date Posted: October 09 2008 at 04:32
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No,I mean something else,but I don't know the word and that's why I used irregular
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Posted By: poslednijat_colobar
Date Posted: October 09 2008 at 04:34
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I mean not 4/4,but 7/4!
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Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: October 09 2008 at 04:35
Porkupine Tree.
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 09 2008 at 04:40
| listen mang, I don't have to take that ..mang |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: October 09 2008 at 04:49
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Posted By: npjnpj
Date Posted: October 09 2008 at 07:09
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As he mentions his students, I can't help but pitty these poor souls who have to accept such unsubstntiated drivel from a tutor/Teacher(?). Very worrying that someone with such a strangely twisted rhetoric is allowed to shape minds. Perhaps he's a coach for the 'X Factor'? |
Posted By: Marwin
Date Posted: October 09 2008 at 08:04
ProfileWill
Byers teaches music to primary and secondary pupils in Camden as well
as undertaking various session jobs and dreaming of becoming a country
and western singer
To me it seems that the article is not about pink floyd rather bashing on different prog bands. Maybe he has had some bad experiences with prog, maybe prog raped his mother and burned his house down who knows? I just think he would feel much better if someone gave him a hug and put on fragile on the turntable ------------- http://myspace.com/toxicmindfin http://myspace.com/porcelainprog |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: October 09 2008 at 08:51
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"Genesis' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FraoJitaP7I - Dance on a Volcano nearly made my A-level students sick when I played it to them as an example of prog rock. The ponderous 7/4 theme is genuinely queasy"
That is just nonsense.
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Posted By: Epignosis
Date Posted: October 09 2008 at 09:27
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Back to the topic... Is Pink Floyd prog? This is such an easy answer: For the most part. Just like Yes. Just like Genesis. Just like Kansas. Just like nearly every band who traversed the 1980s. Almost every band here with an impressive discography has albums which are decidedly not prog, reflecting either the band's desire to reach a larger market or the record label's desire for the same (usually the latter, I understand). Sure Pink Floyd has Wish You Were Here, Animals, and The Wall to name a few, which are prime examples of progressive rock (although not symphonic rock), but they also have The Final Cut, A Momentary Lapse of Reason, and The Division Bell, which are not. Therefore, the more efficient way to ask the question is not "Is X band prog?" but "Which of X band's albums are prog?" |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 09 2008 at 09:55
Actually I agree with the article - at least in this basic determination, as far as his criticism of the prog bands concerned I don't agree at all. Once again we have a situation where "Prog" is not used as a catch-all phrase for everything that could be associated with the word "progressive". In the context of the article it stands for Classic Symphonic Prog Rock, which is seen by many as the nucleus of the Prog movement. I think we can all agree that Pink Floyd were very different from Yes or Genesis, at least in the early 70s. For me they never were part of the "style" called Prog, and neither were Frank Zappa or Magma, for example. ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to: 
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Posted By: Yorkie X
Date Posted: October 09 2008 at 10:04
I've heard all the arguments I'm convinced Pink Floyd are not prog !  But I like them alot anyway .. but they are not prog You know it and I know it they are Moms and Dads Kmart music for Christmas time or little wayward henry who smoked his first J and thinks he is gonna be a stoner like his Uncle . |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: October 09 2008 at 10:50
| There's no doubt that a lot of Floyd stuff appeals to people who wouldn't really describe themselves as a prog-rock fan, but then again those people would probably run a mile if you played them "Ummagumma" and you could also say the same about later Genesis and Rabin-era Yes. |
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: October 09 2008 at 11:30
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Like I've said before, prog bashing is the domain of worn out, pretentious, arrogant and uninspired writers who are completely void of other topics. And the talent pool is rather thin these days, particularly when it comes to the topic of entertainment.
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Posted By: fuxi
Date Posted: October 09 2008 at 11:52
Well, I guess you're right in that albums like UMMAGUMMA are more experimental than anything Yes or Genesis were doing at that time. But about 'Echoes' I'm not so sure. I've always seen it as a typical epic in the same vein as 'Close to the Edge', only with less virtuosic playing (which doesn't mean it's less convincing). And 'Shine on you Crazy Diamond': isn't that an obvious attempt to produce a multi-part syphonic suite? (Only, the Floyd being the Floyd, it came out rather SLOW...)
On the other hand, it's true Prog Archives sees prog as much broader than I myself would have done in the 1970s. For me, as for the writer of that article, prog equalled symphonic prog. Can, Neu, early Zappa, Robert Wyatt and Hatfield and the North were a different type of music. |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: October 09 2008 at 12:11
Then what is it from? ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: October 09 2008 at 14:24
Bach? Nah, can't be, that would make it symphonic prog  ------------- What? |
Posted By: CCVP
Date Posted: October 09 2008 at 15:42
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Yet another angst filled discussion about Pink Floyd being prog. IMO, people that think Pink Floyd is not prog do not know the band enough and the article in an obvious troll. I bet the writer is laughing his ass off. Just don't respond this kind of crap, just let it die a horrible death by the hands of nothingness and oblivion. DON'T FEED THE TROLL, FOR CHRIST SAKE!!!  -------------   
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Posted By: inrainbows
Date Posted: October 09 2008 at 15:56
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Who cares of what Mr Will Byers think about Floyd? He just wants to say : "look at me, I have an opinion about a legend!" Let's laugh loud ------------- 
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Posted By: Alberto Muñoz
Date Posted: October 09 2008 at 16:25
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Posted By: Gaston
Date Posted: October 09 2008 at 18:09
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Why this person is wrong: Wacky time signatures >>>>>> It's not just staying in single obscure (read non 2/4 or 4/4 or swing) time signatures that signifies prog - it's the changes one to another. Look at Shine on you crazy Diamond. In it we go from a syncopated 6/8 time into a 2/4 swing without missing a beat because the two signatures are actually related on the up beat. Only prog acts do this. We also see this in other miscellaneous songs like Welcome to the Machine (4/4 and 6/8) Jugband Blues (3/4 swing into 2/4 regular), See-saw, and some others - I'd have to go back to the catalog and look into again. Then on top of that we have shorts - what I mean by this is losing a beat on the end of a phrase which actually makes the beat one off. They do this alot, and not just in Money (short a beat from 8/8 actually) they do it on a bunch of songs on The Wall and Division Bell and most notably Have a Cigar. So he is wrong on multiple time signature accusation counts. Jazz: Delicious hot, disgusting cold >>>>>>>>>> If you don't hear a jazz influence in Rick Wright's playing I suggest you stop being a music critic. Listen to the solo in San Tropez and that's just ONE example. This person needs to find a new job. Lyrics >>>>>>> If sword and scorcery lyrics were all Prog lyrics were, I would agree with him. But they're not, so bollocks to him. They encompass space, ancient civilizations, philosophy, genetics, religion, and just about everything else nerdy you can think of. Floyd clearly write from a smart person perspective so they qualify. Be careful what you borrow >>>>>>> This guy's pretentiousness puts some of the people on this forum to shame. There is nothing wrong with being influenced by others. Ligeti has tinges of Bartok! (ironic this columnist has written this) and Bartok, like this author has conceded was inspired by European folk music (as was Ligeti actually). That is the gap this author fails to grasp. This is why we call it Prog. It is an "update" and a question mark to where music may actually be heading. But it still has all its roots profoundly planted somewhere in the past. Hell, Pink Floyd took its name from two blues musicians! So there. Pink Floyd: not prog rock and excellent to boot. Strangely detached, but intensely moving; bleak but heartfelt. No Mars Volta or Muse, not even Radiohead (too much angst in that voice) are carrying the legacy of this incredibly idiosyncratic band forward. Strange echoes occur in odd places. I can hear similar lyrical themes of reserved English desperation set to fascinatingPink Floyd arrangements on Field Music's excellent Tones of Town. Where else can I get my fix now there's no hope of that reunion? >>>>>>>>>
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: October 09 2008 at 22:50
It was a serious question. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: someone_else
Date Posted: October 10 2008 at 04:00
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Seems like bashing at prog just for the fun of it. I wouldn't send my daughter to his music class. Let this guy stick to C&W, maybe then he knows what he's writing about...
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Posted By: Floydoid
Date Posted: October 10 2008 at 04:59
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Some Floyd is prog, and some isn't... but what do labels really matter as long as you like the music? As a teenager of the 1970's it always seemed to me that the Floyd appealed to prog and non-prog fans alike to a greater or lesser extent. One fact that is undeniable tho is during that 70's era they influenced more other musicians than any other artist, save perhaps for Bowie... just as the Beatles/Stones had done in the 60's. As Roger Waters once commented, the only thing that matters is whether a song moves you or not. ------------- Is it any wonder that the monkey's confused? |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: October 10 2008 at 05:30
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Prog is not Pink Floyd.. debate
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: October 10 2008 at 05:50
Sorry, that was serious answer in a humorous format  - if not Bach, then inspired by some other Baroque composer, in much the same way as Procol Harum's White Shade of Pale was inspired by Bach's Air On A G-String. Due to Wright's keyboard arrangements (and, I would argue, Mason's anti-rock drumming, which at times borders on concert percussion), many of Floyd's pieces have symphonic elements, in an eclectic sense rather than a Symphonic Prog sense.------------- What? |
Posted By: Vibrationbaby
Date Posted: October 10 2008 at 06:26
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Posted By: AlanD
Date Posted: October 10 2008 at 07:53
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The point I took objection to in this twit's article was his glib attempt to deride Genesis' Dance on a Volcano by employing some abstruse and heavily flawed musicological reasoning that such a composition should be somehow fashioned to an imaginary mental model of his own devising. Why? He'll certainly find several thousand musicoligists who disagree with him. It may have made him feel 'queasy' but on the occasions I choose listen to Dance on a Volcano, it has the effect of leaving me feeling energised and uplifted.
One of the main tenets of progressive rock in the early seventies was a kicking over of the traces and bending of so-called 'rules'. Even if the track had been recorded dropping half a beat from every bar and employed quarter tones, it would still be a valid piece of composition. In the end, music is a subjective art and we all have our own tastes and biases. As for listening to Bartok and Ligeti, sure, why not? I frequently do - I also listen to Genesis and Yes and, dependent on mood, enjoy and appreciate them all equally. Why should they be mutually exclusive?
Never mind, the same sort of inane comments have been springing from the pens (and now computers)of imbiciles with delusions of grandeur for many a year, so why stop now? I certainly feel sorry for his 'students', let's hope some of them have minds and ears of their own and don't turn out like that sad twerp. Genesis music will definitely outlive him, that's for certain.
Oh, and of course, Pink Floyd are one of the original 'bricks in the wall' of the genre dubbed 'Progressive Rock ' - that's a historical fact. What a plonker! ------------- AlanD |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: October 10 2008 at 07:54
The time signature is indeed 7/4. 'Tempo' just refers to the pace at which the music is played. 'Down & Out' by Genesis is a good example of 5/4 time. |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: October 10 2008 at 08:02
Indeed. Utter bogsh!te if I ever heard it. Perhaps if he had played them 'Larks Tounges in Aspic' or something, I could believe this, but there isn't really anything innaccessable about 'DOAV' Despite the irregular time signature, its still very 'easy on the ear' Genesis composed the song that way to catch the attention of a wider audience, whilst retaining their 'prog credentials' They were masters at doing that. |
Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: October 10 2008 at 08:42
| True Andy. DOAV is the most prog song on that album, but still retains a commercial feel. I doubt that many of his A level students could even identify it as being in 7/4. |
Posted By: sigod
Date Posted: October 10 2008 at 09:33
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Bloody journalists. They'll be saying that Opeth is not Country and Western next. ------------- I must remind the right honourable gentleman that a monologue is not a decision. - Clement Atlee, on Winston Churchill |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: October 10 2008 at 09:42
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Hiya Simon
Best not open the old 'Opeth isn't C'n'W' can of worms.. 
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Posted By: sigod
Date Posted: October 10 2008 at 10:55
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Hey Andy. Now if Pink Floyd covered an Opeth song, THAT would be worth writing about. ------------- I must remind the right honourable gentleman that a monologue is not a decision. - Clement Atlee, on Winston Churchill |
Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: October 10 2008 at 11:33
mmm, how about Opeth doing Floyd. Cirrus Minor, I think.. |
Posted By: Tinyfish
Date Posted: October 10 2008 at 11:51
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...or a Wurzels song. I'd buy that. Breathe...breathe in the.....CIDER!!!  ------------- Tinyfish http://www.tinyfish.org - Tinyfish Homepage |
Posted By: mizzin
Date Posted: October 10 2008 at 20:23
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not prog, but kind of founders of todays' prog, (now, that's easy :D )
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: October 10 2008 at 20:38
You know, I'm still p!ssed off that the worzels haven't made it into the the archives. Prog Related at least! I mean look at those clothes. |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: October 10 2008 at 20:41
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to the rest of the world I have little doubt Floyd are not considered Prog when compared to the Tulls, Yes's and ELP's.. Floyd saw huge popularity not just with the DSotM period but also with the Wall which was one of the musical events in the early 80s capped off by the film (an enormous draw for the midnight crowds all through the first half of the 80s), people liked these records not because they were Prog but because they were, well, Pink Floyd, a total original and a band that knew how to produce their music and sell their drama.. I don't know of any prog band that saw their level of hugeness, even at ELP's or Yes's peak.. sure Floyd were a progressive rock band but they flourished because they were liberated from "Prog", not a part of it |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: October 10 2008 at 21:58
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As it oftentimes happens, I guess PF was deemed prog AFTER the fact, wasn't it? Were people calling PF "prog" when prog bands were still in their prime? Or is it an after-the-fact thing the "prog" labeling of PF? -------------
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Posted By: trackstoni
Date Posted: October 11 2008 at 04:53
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Hey , a new band on the run , who the Hell are they , Pink Floyd , maybe those Alliens from the dark side of the moon . So , please take it easy on us while throwing your opinions /// please /// ------------- Tracking Tracks of Rock |
Posted By: Inferno
Date Posted: October 11 2008 at 23:34
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I like the reference in the comments when someone says that his way of seeing thing is that way: He hates prog, like pink floyd, pink floyd is prog Punk killed prog, Genesis survived punk, Genesis is not prog! I could easily bring that argument agains't Progarchives like that: A member likes Iron Maiden, he likes prog thou..., Iron maiden is prog or Prog related when in fact it's only metal! This goes both way, it's not because a prog fan likes something else then prog that he NECESSIRALY NEED to make sure that what's he like his prog related in someway!!! Completly ridiculous!! |
Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: October 12 2008 at 03:40
I think just about everything was deemed prog after the fact. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Avantgardian |
Posted By: Walker
Date Posted: October 12 2008 at 23:40
Not so. I was around in the 70's. By 1977 or so, the term "progressive rock" was being widely used.
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Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: October 13 2008 at 00:46
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That's still after the peak of many of the founding giants. So just slightly after-the-fact, then...
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Posted By: Proggg
Date Posted: October 13 2008 at 20:27
This article is fail.  ------------- A windstorm dropped a bird from the sky It fell to the ground and it's wings broke and died But when the time got by, back to sky it flied cause the wings healed in time and the bird was I-Wintersun |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: October 14 2008 at 02:47
That's some deep commentary, man. ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: octopus-4
Date Posted: October 14 2008 at 03:45
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Rubbish discussion. I've just finished listening to Meddle. If Floyds are not prog, we should remove from the site artists like Mostly Autumn, Tangerine Dream, Camel, Marillion, Caravan, Soft Machine, Eloy, Vangelis (very different people) that have been more or less influenced by the Floyds during different periods. |
Posted By: eightiesbaby80
Date Posted: October 14 2008 at 14:44
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Pink Floyd is prog! How is he not? |
Posted By: XunknownX
Date Posted: October 14 2008 at 18:50
Well, most people don't get things in general, so I'm not surprised this clown is any different...
Plus most folks' only goal is to be accepted by the masses, therfore they get "progphobia", to fit in - nothing's new under the sun...
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: October 14 2008 at 20:32
Most people are much more accepting of interesting and progressive music than many people here would have you believe--dare I utter the p word?
Ahahahahaha ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: PinkPangolin
Date Posted: October 18 2008 at 05:31
Ohharr - love it! A Wurzels fan!!! |
Posted By: PinkPangolin
Date Posted: October 18 2008 at 05:32
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...although not sure what it has to do with Pink Floyd and Prog....!!! How about bluegrass Prog? |
Posted By: PinkPangolin
Date Posted: October 18 2008 at 05:38
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weeellllll - I have this friend - and I said to him once (I think I've said all this before) that Pink Floyd were Prog. He was flabbergasted - Pink Floyd aren't Prog!!! I said what do you mean? I guess Prog is like Genesis and Yes and stuff like that, eh? He answered yes to that. Well. maybe there are many outside of our website that think the same - Prog is all that symphonic complicated music (like Yes, Genesis) I suppose, yes, Pink Floyd (and all Space rock/psychelia) doesn't fall into that category at all. In many ways, Space rock is almost out of the classical what most think Prog. It stands on its own. Personally, in my mind, it's the best side of Prog (if yon now want to call it that) - it just flows so much better......... |
Posted By: BroSpence
Date Posted: October 23 2008 at 01:03
| So Dance of the Volcano is bad because it misuses the 7th beat of the phrase? And we should listen to Ligetti and Bartok because they give better examples of electronic experimentation and rhythmic complexity? Does this guy eat ass salad for breakfast? |
Posted By: npjnpj
Date Posted: October 23 2008 at 04:43
Jeepers! Where's the other three and Snow-White?
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Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: October 23 2008 at 05:16
But was it really used for Pink Floyd? Their music is really very different from Yes or Genesis, and "wide" usage includes both music experts and laymen ... ------------- https://awesomeprog.com/release-polls/pa" rel="nofollow - Release Polls Listened to:
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: October 23 2008 at 05:42
Yes Mike, it was. ------------- What? |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: October 23 2008 at 06:13
http://www.guardian.co.uk/users/teaflax -
Teaflax
Posted By: MonkeyphoneAlex
Date Posted: October 23 2008 at 12:44
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What does this ignorant writer know about art? ------------- "Information is not knowledge. Knowledge is not wisdom. Wisdom is not truth. Truth is not beauty. Beauty is not love. Love is not music. Music is THE BEST." -FZ |
Posted By: salmacis
Date Posted: October 23 2008 at 13:36
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I noted Teaflax's comments. I couldn't stand his presence on the forum, but he made some excellent points in his comments there which highlighted the endless amount of hypocrisies surrounding critical attitudes towards prog.
I'm glad the writer got a sound thrashing in the comments, it was a staggeringly lazy article- typical of the bullsh*t that gets passed off as music criticism/journalism in this country.
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Posted By: PinkPangolin
Date Posted: October 24 2008 at 20:14
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Why don't some o' ye be asking some randomer friends of yours - that don't really know Prog like - whether or not Pink Floyd be Prog. Oi know what they'll all say - what the blooomin' hec be Prog like? |
Posted By: Nerievsky
Date Posted: October 27 2008 at 21:13
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Of course Pink Floyd are not prog, they are better!!!! |
Posted By: debrewguy
Date Posted: October 27 2008 at 21:22
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I wonder how much attention and web hits we generate for these "negative" op-eds ??? Oh, and by the way, which one(s)s prog ? Now, my chance to go and read this man's twaddle ... I wonder if anyone noted this phrase "the lazy and much-maligned term "progressive rock" " ? ------------- "Here I am talking to some of the smartest people in the world and I didn't even notice,” Lieutenant Columbo, episode The Bye-Bye Sky-High I.Q. Murder Case. |
Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: October 27 2008 at 22:00
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If you all remember the old George Carlin screed about 'special dispensation' (sorry, I am not nor was ever a Catholic, except at birth), I'm thinking that has somehow been applied to PF wrt prog. |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: October 28 2008 at 11:19
I miss him. :( His posts were much more fun to read. ;) ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: Lionheart
Date Posted: October 31 2008 at 10:35
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I actually agree - Pink Floyd never was prog. Psychedelic, but not prog. Having said that, I think Pink Floyd's influence in prog is noteworthy, but no more noteworthy than any of the other influences (classical, jazz, opera). Don't take this the wrong way - I do like Pink Floyd, but they continue to get way too much credit in the prog community. |
Posted By: darksideof
Date Posted: October 31 2008 at 10:58
SO I guess this dude never heard of Atom Hearth Mother. ------------- http://darksideofcollages.blogspot.com/ http://www.metalmusicarchives.com/ https://www.facebook.com/pages/Darksideof-Collages/ |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: October 31 2008 at 11:22
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Posted By: CPicard
Date Posted: October 31 2008 at 12:38
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As Psychedelic paved the road for Progressive rock, one can say that Pink Floyd can not be "prog" because they began their career before the first progressive rock records were released. But it's like saying that Jimi Hendrix has nothing to do with hard-rock or heavy-metal because he died just when these two genres were born. In fact, it's just another story of "boundaries of a genre": Pink Floyd not prog, Led Zeppelin not hard/heavy, Bauhaus or the Cure not goth... But I would also say: Pink Floyd is not psychedelic. "Spacey" sometimes, but not psychedelic anymore since 1968. |
Posted By: crimson87
Date Posted: November 01 2008 at 22:01
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I think that none of us cares about PF being prog or not. I guess that what we really dislike is that they are , alongside Queen and The Beatles , THE MOST OVERRATED BAND ON EARTH.
Before I start getting a lot of flak , let me explain this.I like PF , a lot. What I do not like it's general public opinions about the band they give the band godly , untochable status.And actually some times hipsters use the name of Pink Floyd to seem intellectual and phrases like: "The Wall is the most complex movie ever , you have to be smart enough to follow the plot""DSOTM is the pinnacle in rock music , the perfect piece of art of the century"
Sometimes I ask some guys that have this attitudes and some say that they respect PF but its too complex for them.It's hilarious!! You can't respect or "fear" a baNd. You just like it or not.
The godly status is what I hate the most , not PF. And , let's be honest when some one who is new to the band feels amazed with the records , don't you have the feeling like : " Yes..... OK I 've been there before" let me show you some truly mindblowing stuff" (Bringing your copy of Pawn Hearts)
That's quite a snobby attitude but everyone has it , not only proggers.
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