Zeuhl - an observation
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Topic: Zeuhl - an observation
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Subject: Zeuhl - an observation
Date Posted: September 13 2008 at 14:25
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This is probably more suitable as a blog, I do not know... but I have been thinking about this of late. With the forthcoming release of Magma's Ehmenteht-Re and the somewhat disappointing release of Infernal Machina (by Jannick Top), do you think the Zeuhl genre is a stale one now? The Zeuhl sound is distinctive and only Magma (and to a different extent Koenjihyakkei -- what I coin as Japzeuhl) really capture the real essence of it. Other bands have made albums that are influenced by Magma (Weidorje for instance, have made an excellent album but it's not really like Magma in sound) but lack something "unique". Magma always seem to pull it off. So will Ehmenteht-Re be much of the same thing (as in, sounding like Kohntarkosz Anterior) or will it have something new to offer? As I mentioned Infernal Machina, although a good album, is not especially original or groundbreaking. Yes it uses metallic guitar in places and has the real Zeuhl vibe about it but it sounds a lot like MDK and De Futura-era Magma in places. Do not get me wrong, I love that era but I feel as if a different approach may have interested me more. So do you think the Zeuhl genre is stale or do you think there's room still for innovation here? Also, are you especially bothered about change, or are you just happy to hear a classic sounding Magma album? Your thoughts are welcome. Edit (and disclaimer): I want to iterate that I love Zeuhl music and I hope for something wonderful next month from Magma. So please do not feel I am not expecting something great. I am just trying to determine whether people want something fresh from their Zeuhl or are satisfied to hear more classic Zeuhl. -------------   
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Posted By: DJPuffyLemon
Date Posted: September 13 2008 at 15:41
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KA is a revolutionary zeuhl album bro. It sounds different than all other music ever. Magma is the only zeuhl band that has ever made any sort of new and revolutionary stuff. All other french zeuhl bands (except Dun) all just tried to copy them...and well, zao just went in a different direction.
Is Zeuhl stale? NO!...at least while Magma is alive. When they die, (French) Zeuhl dies. At least until I start making music!
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: September 13 2008 at 19:44
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I'm mostly referring to other Zeuhl, really. Koenjihyakkei (if you can call it Zeuhl) have a very unique sound and every album is different to each other. Magma are very much like that as well. I do like some of the differences that Jannick Top has put into Infernal Machina. The opening track for instance doesn't sound Zeuhl in the slightest and some of the metal elements don't either. However, towards the middle, it goes completely Zeuhl. The last track is a weird Industrial track that reminds me of Nine Inch Nails with a bit of Prodigy thrown in. There's still room for Magma (and other Zeuhl bands) to reinvent themselves enough to sound unique and still Zeuhl. At the end of the day though, Magma are still going to use the same style vocals, the fuzz bass and the intense drumming, that is their signature. It's the other elements that will be interesting to hear... will they go back to a jazzier sound, will they embrace metal riffage more or will they go more minamalist? There are certainly options. But Magma without their three key elements, wouldn't sound like the Magma we all know and love. Fuzz bass (not all the time but they use it to great affect) Vander's drumming The vocal style Actually, the piano/keys also tend to be a key part of the sound too. -------------
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: September 13 2008 at 20:16
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boo.. I know little of this Zeuhl you speak of, have not had my 'Magma moment' (yet), and intend to derail this well-thought thread with nonsense and illiterasie |
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: September 13 2008 at 21:06
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^^^^ illiterassie iss de hundin! First off, I don't know why you would not call Koenjihyakkei Zeuhl. What else would you call them? And their brand of Zeuhl is precisely why it is not stale. Second, stale is all perspective. I found Metallica stale in 1989. Yet they still have millions of listeners, some who think they even belong in PA  . While Zeuhl has never had that kind of following, there are enough listeners, and thankfully enough musicians, that think there is enough unexplored territory to continue to listen and create it. If you think it has in someway become stale, then I am very sorry for you. If anything, I have found the "fresh to stale" transition tends to work in reverse with Zeuhl. As Atavachron states, he hasn't had that "Magma Moment" yet. It takes awhile to get into Zeuhl. I listened to MDK twice after I bought it, then put it away for about 8 years. Once I listened to it again, the picked up Kohtarkosz, I finally got it. Then it became something I would actively seek out. Stale, I think not. But we are all individual. Check out the new Metallica.  ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow">  https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: September 13 2008 at 21:17
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I'm get unfairly berated here... I don't think I've made myself quite clear. I love Magma! I love Koenjijyakkei and yes, they are Zeuhl (my comment was alluding to the fact that some may query that they are but not me, I definitely think they are. I was merely observating where Zeuhl will go next... 'cause Infernal Machina sounded like MDK and De Futura at times. There's no complaints from me, I enjoy the album a lot. I think what I am trying to say is... if Magma (or some other Zeuhl band) messed up the sound too much by trying to be innovative, it may make them sound worse... or even less Zeuhl. It's the 3 main elements that keep Zeuhl what it is. Although having said that, Offering's album A Fiileh has Zeuhl tracks on it and they include no fuzz bass whatsoever and mostly piano. But what can be done to Zeuhl to keep it fresh? Nothing? Or would some new innovations completely reinvent Zeuhl? I am sure Ehmenteht-Re will be a wonderful album, I have no doubt about it and I hope I am not disappointed. I'm looking forward to it in October. All I'm saying is that there is only so far you can take the vocals, the drumming and the bass... it's like a lot of space rock sounds repetitive (that's arguable, obviously) after a while. I expect Zeuhl to sound like Zeuhl, basically. -------------
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: September 13 2008 at 21:41
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Hmm. With any really popular band/sound, there is a fine line. If they adhere too much to the sound that everyone knows and loves, they can be accused of being stale and recycling past glories. If they stray too much from that sound, others might be turned off as they expect something close to what made the band great in the first place. Admittedly I don't know much modern zeuhl beyond Koenjihyakkei...it's why in the RIO thread I inquired about Universal Totem Orchestra, it would be interesting to hear their "brand" of zeuhl and how it compares with the classics. I would argue that something like One Shot is a breath of fresh air because they bring zeuhl elements to a jazz-fusion record...to me that elevates it above some other "standard" JR outfits/albums. |
Posted By: Tapfret
Date Posted: September 13 2008 at 21:43
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There was no intention of berating. Maybe a little abuse if you actually *did* listen to the new Metallica album. Sure, Zeuhl has its hallmarks. But really, how fresh does something you enjoy really have to be? We live in a highly derivative time. When it comes to music being fresh, new and innovative, it is all listener perspective at this point. ------------- https://www.last.fm/user/Tapfret" rel="nofollow"> https://bandcamp.com/tapfret" rel="nofollow - Bandcamp |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: September 13 2008 at 21:50
You need to hear Speed Limit then.  -------------
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NaturalScience wrote:Posted By: rileydog22
Date Posted: September 13 2008 at 22:47
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Japanese Zeuhl is the future of Zeuhl. I don't think that the Japanese stuff is that similar to the classic French bands, but the classic "Zeuhl sound" was quite constraining and, if not introduced to radical change, was bound to stagnate rather quickly. The Japanese scene is, to my ears, refreshing and innovative, and it shows no sign of slowing down any time soon. They may not sound much like Magma, but I think that's why they work so well; mixing Magma's sound with math-rock and other influences creates a far more satisfying product than simply bashing out another Magma-clone album. Ementheht-Re is another wonderful slab of Zeuhl, as different from K.A. as K.A. is from Kohntarkosz. It has some dreamy build-ups, but in a slower, less rhythmicly driving way than Kohntarkosz, and it contains Hhai and Zombies. It's a wonderful piece. As far as needing something different from Magma, I find that Magma does a great job of mixing up their sound while retaining a unique charm that no one else seems to be able to find. -------------   |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: September 13 2008 at 22:47
Hmm. Sounds like classic Magma to me. |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: September 13 2008 at 22:55
Nicely said.  I definitely think Koenjihyakkei (and Happy Family to an extent too) are much more innovative than Magma. However, they're not trying to be Magma or really play classic Zeuhl. They play an interpretation of Zeuhl and as you rightly say, mix in elements of Math Rock, Punk and Jazz into it. Every Koenjihyakkei album is different and all are excellent... and they sound like Koenjihyakkei on every album too. And yes, I feel only Magma (and Vander) can make Zeuhl sound different with each release. Maybe not groundbreaking but what they do is exceptional. There is also a lot of music that is labelled as Zeuhl that is not really Zeuhl at all. There are bands that feature former members of Magma that play primarily Jazz Fusion, whilst there are other bands that use fuzz bass but do not sound particularly Zeuhl in their sound, even though they may very well have been influenced by Magma. -------------
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Posted By: Mellotron Storm
Date Posted: September 13 2008 at 23:12
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I think zeuhl is more "alive and well" then it has been for many years. I love the new Jannick Top album,as well as the new UNIVERSAL TOTEM ORCHESTRA,AMYGDALA and ONE SHOT's latest which is probably more dark,heavy jazz than zeuhl. As far as Japanese zeuhl goes i prefer HAPPY FAMILY and AMYGDALA's latest to KOENJYAKKEI but that's just a personal preference of course.BONDAGE FRUIT is another favourite from Japan. I do like MAGMA a lot ,but man bands like ESKATON,PSEU,UPPSALA,POTEMKINE,Francois Thollett and especially ZAO really hit the spot for me.MAGMA's new one will be amazing if the last EP they did is any indication. ------------- "The wind is slowly tearing her apart" "Sad Rain" ANEKDOTEN |
Posted By: song_of_copper
Date Posted: September 16 2008 at 09:43
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Nice topic, James. Prepare for some serious drivel from me in response! My two cents!  Er, more like my two hundred dollars...  For me, what makes Magma so great is that their music is a synthesis of all kinds of different stuff. 20th century classical, jazz, rock, soul/gospel elements... it's the mixture. Other bands who profess to play Zeuhl (or are influenced in some way by Magma) will probably only take one or a couple of these stylistic elements, and hopefully mix that with something of their own. The most influential part seems to me to be the jazz part. Even something as noisy and weird as Ruins (not that I've heard it properly yet...) FEELS like jazz. Some Zeuhl could really be called an extreme form of jazz fusion, in a way... it's as far away from jazz as you can get and still call it jazz! As far as Jannick Top goes, I'm wondering whether he only really has one song in him, and that song is... De Futura.  It's a wonderful, wonderful piece of music, but just how many times has he sold us De Futura?! The bits on 'Infernal Machina' that don't reprise De Futura mostly just reprise other Magma stuff (presumably with Vander's blessing, given that he's on the record!). Having said that, I like it a lot - it's just not, as you say, very innovative.I'm pretty hopeful that Magma will give us something truly great in Ëmëhntëht-Rê. They really only have one bad album to their name, and the known ingredients of Ëmëhntëht-Rê are all good 'uns. Thus far they've managed to do that thing that I always like in a band - always sound different and always sound like themselves. Magma has its own 'conceptual continuity' (to borrow the phrase from Zappa) - various themes (musical and narrative) reappear throughout their repertoire, but they never sound rehashed. (I suppose the revolving door of line up changes plays a part there...) Even K.A., which was sort of cobbled together from leftovers/unfinished bits, sounds perfect. I've never heard anything else which makes me FEEL the way that music makes me feel. I'm not a spiritual person, and it makes me feel spiritual. (Yes, sorry, you're not going to get much objectivity from me!)As you know I am currently listening to One Shot's 'Ewaz Vader'. As Pat said, this is really excellent music. For me, Zeuhl is like the ultimate in recycled chic - grab a bunch of well-worn tried and trusted stuff (jazz... classical... rock... etc...), put it through the magic blender, and come up with something that... transcends the sum of its parts. For it to be true Zeuhl it must have that bass sound, muscular but full of finesse; ideally it must have the precision-freak-out drumming; and essentially, it must have the FEELING. I'm rather getting the FEELING from One Shot, and I do from Guapo quite a lot, too. I know they are moving away from their Magma-fanboy days a bit with their latest stuff, but just listen to 'Black Oni' and tell me that's not Zeuhl! To sum up my witless rambling... Zeuhl is the ultimate synthesis of the Cerebral, the Visceral and the Spiritual (soundbite © Miss M.! )! Plain jazz fusion (or whatever other hybrid form you care to name) might have one or more of those elements, but Zeuhl HAS to have all three. I'm not sure it's so much about the style, or the content, of this music - more about the effect it has, the way the listener responds. It's not really Zeuhl if you don't... how can I put it... lose all sense of proportion and inhibition... when you hear it.  So, Jannick Top (and various others!) may be recycling himself into oblivion with 'Infernal Machina', but if you feel the feeling when you hear it... that's Zeuhl. Just to bring in the old 'Japzeuhl'... I have to say, 'Angherr Shisspa' is what brought me to this state of worship in the first place - I've never heard anything like it in my life. It shouldn't make sense. It should be... horrible. It's this technicolour mixture of stuff that shouldn't go together at all. And yet, not only does it work perfectly, not only does it sound totallly unique, it is also directly linked to all this... other stuff. Pointing backwards to Magma et al, and pointing forwards (well, around, I suppose...) to all that other fascinating Japanese stuff. Again - it's a mutant hybrid that exceeds its boundaries and just makes you feel fantastic listening to it. I'm happy every day since I found this stuff. Enthusiasm is a wonderful thing. |
Posted By: DJPuffyLemon
Date Posted: September 16 2008 at 12:48
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: September 16 2008 at 12:57
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Have you heard Offering's A Fiileh, Puffy? Some of the tracks on there are very vocal prominent, with most of them being acoustic or just accompanied by a piano. Not all of the album is Zeuhl though. -------------
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: September 16 2008 at 13:23
No, I wouldn't call it too derivative, I love the album. Just I would not call it revolutionary. |
Posted By: DJPuffyLemon
Date Posted: September 17 2008 at 11:11
and i suppose calling KA revolutionary is a bit much, but its not another Kohntarkosz or De futura so I consider it a step in a diff direction.
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: September 18 2008 at 00:18
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The Zeuhl tracks are probably the best tracks on the album, to be fair. There was virtually no bass on the album and most of it is acoustic. Yet the ones with vocals do sound very Zeuhl like. I think you may like some of it, perhaps even all of it. I need to listen to it more myself yet. -------------
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: September 20 2008 at 02:30
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I'm listening to Retrospektiw I-II and it's just struck me what Magma are all about! Finally, it's starting to click! Firstly: 1. the obvious Kobiain myth... Theusz Hamtaahk sounds like music that suits the world of Dune... it sounds alien. It could be Martian music. This is obviously the intent but it actually does sound just like that! 2. M.D.K. - it sounds cultish, almost religious. The speech at the beginning sounds like a dictator, or a religious guru (no idea what's being said, mind you). The chanting sounds cultish too. I raised my arm at the intro... like a salute, of sorts or a march. Think of thousands of people stood together and doing just that... reminds me of Communist China. The end of Theusz Hamtaahk and the sirens sounds almost like it would fit a Holocaust situation... it's dark indeed! Post-apocalyptic and often reminiscent of what World War III would sound like. Something that also strikes me is the odd sound that reminds me of Van der Graaf Generator... mostly in the keyboards. It's odd but it's there! It's finally clicking with me and now my respect for Magma's compositions has just increased a lot! I loved this album and the two pieces on it for quite some time but now I am started to think more about the sounds I'm hearing... well it's fantastic! -------------
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Posted By: song_of_copper
Date Posted: September 20 2008 at 06:09
All that you say here is true. And my theory is... well... they take all the techniques of certain religious music (chanting, repetition, confusing/pulsating rhythm, yelling, symbolism, emotional manipulation, otherness-togetherness, etc.), just without the actual religion part (although of course, they do mention the supreme being quite often!). But what I mean is, they're not telling people to do or believe anything as such - just making expert use of the neurological quirks of the human brain in response to that kind of musical massage. Even when you know they're doing this, it still works. A bit like those optical illusions that still fool you even after they've been explained. It still gives you a... weird euphoric feeling. This is pretty much why I love Magma: it transports me. Being a dyed-in-the-wool sceptic without any patience for mumbo jumbo, I'm never going to feel that via some kind of organised religion, or any hippy nonsense. But by the direct action of some extremely clever and very sincere music (because I think it is sincere - I don't think Vander is merely being calculating with this stuff, he appears to be a fairly emotional, philosophical chap), it's possible to bypass the 'religion' part and take advantage of these deep-seated quirks of the brain.Now try K.A. again. (P.S. ... I have never been chemically intoxicated in my entire life. Who needs that when you have music?! Just thought I'd better put that in... ) |
Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: September 20 2008 at 06:46
That's pretty unfair. Archaïa and Shub Niggurath certainly doesn't sound like Magma copies. And I would never mistake the sound of Eskaton, Eider Stellaire, Noa, Potemkine etc... for Magma. Some Canterbury bands share more similaities than these bands, and you wouldn't say they just copied eachother. ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: September 20 2008 at 09:10
I was tired when I wrote the above this morning (I still am but a cappuccino has woken me up a bit), so on further inspection, it is clear that my words were a bit jumbled. You did catch my point though, which is fantastic. I am glad I am not alone in thinking this. I do remember the black and white photos mixed in with that M.D.K. YouTube video though, so I believe that had an influence as well. Oh I never said it was religious, or trying to be but it's showing somewhat of a cultish side... perhaps in an ironic way as well. Being anti-religion and cults? Perhaps. Perhaps not. I guess it's interpretable any way you deem. Actually, I have just remembered what these two tracks remind me of, i.e. the non-earth sections of Kurt Vonnegut's Slaughterhouse-5. The parts where humans go to the Moon (I think, or is it Mars? My memory is bad this afternoon!) and then Earth itself attacks the Moon and its human colony to complete destruction. Many moments in M.D.K. and Theusz Hamtaahk remind me of that. -------------
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Posted By: song_of_copper
Date Posted: September 20 2008 at 13:47
That would totally make sense, to be reminded of that story. Very appropriate, by the sound of it! (Not read it myself.) No, it's not actually religious - I didn't think that's what you'd meant - just that it borrows the psychological tricks that religion customarily employs. I have a feeling that they most definitely intended to whip their audiences up into that kind of agitated state - I think the intensity, the catharsis, is purposeful, rather than just being incidental to the style of the music. If I remember rightly, Vander has said that he was pretty fed up with all of that 'peace-and-love-let-it-all-hang-out' laziness of mind that was so fashionable in the 60s. Instead... we get the complete opposite. Righteous anger, and a feeling of orthodoxy (instead of permissiveness). Frenzy instead of passivity. No idea whether it was ever intended as an actual cult - probably not really, although the idea of that may have been a useful publicity hook! Not convinced it was meant ironically, though, either. Perhaps it's more a case of a deep-seated need to express end-of-decade desperation and frustration and to share that - find the others who feel the same way, who are facing in the same direction... ...ooh, bonus thought: maybe it's more akin to a punk mindset than a prog one! All that nihilism and yelling... only rather more virtuosic and civilised! I could be totally wrong here. It's all guesswork! But (duh, no kidding!) I am FASCINATED by this topic. So, uh, thanks for letting me ramble on about it at you... |
Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: September 22 2008 at 03:42
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No problem, Melissa. I am glad you think along similar lines to myself. I was thinking again earlier how different Magma and Koenjihyakkei are in terms of musical approach. Magma are: futuristic, industrial, dark, gloomy, satanic, religious, political and anti-establishment Koenjihyakkei are: modern yet old (I shall explain this below), upbeat, fun, punk, noise, oriental I shall explain what I mean by modern yet old. I like to think of Koenjihyakkei as music for Steampunk. If you do not know what this sci-fi genre is about, then I shall explain: Steampunk is fantasy novels (mostly) that are set in a world where Steam Engines (or Industrial Revolution era mechanical equipment) are still prevalent, yet the world also features futuristic elements, such as those featured in Jules Verne or H.G. Wells' literature (such as time travel, submarines, early aeronautics &c.). Some also have more modern advances, such as a quicker advancement of computer technology. So Koenjihyakkei's music often feels like modern music to an old setting. If that makes sense? You could set some of their music to old silent films (as has been done with Rattims Friezz-- visit YouTube). I think Georges Méliès' A Trip to the Moon is a good example of where their music would work. The reason I believe this, is because their music sounds mechanical and industrial (i.e. factory work) at times... and it is not just Tatsuya Yoshida's drumming style but the whole band. I do not know if this is deliberate or whether that is the sound they just happen to have come up with but it's an interesting one, nevertheless. Another industrial and mechanical sounding band are Ahvak. They do not play Zeuhl but they take Chamber Prog into the 21st Century and do an excellent job of it. -------------
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Posted By: DJPuffyLemon
Date Posted: September 22 2008 at 05:29
just dont knock it till you try it. it does make some music better. would it work for magma, i don't know
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Posted By: song_of_copper
Date Posted: September 22 2008 at 06:55
Hahahaha. (Translation: that there was my evil laugh. )No way am I going to get into some kind of discussion about the so-called merits (or otherwise) of altering one's perception via artificial means. Don't get me started on that topic..., really. Let's just say that this is definitely one of those things that you don't really need to try to know whether you think it's worth doing or not. (Besides which, Magma is wonderful enough to me already, in an unenhanced condition. ) |
Posted By: song_of_copper
Date Posted: September 22 2008 at 07:16
I have heard of Steampunk, and to my eyes it seems like a wonderful excuse for present-day men to ditch the jeans and footie shirts and dress up in impeccable Victorian costume. For that reason alone, I approve wholeheartedly.  I can sort of get what you mean about Koenji, although to my ears it's more like... how to describe it... something really Medieval, that ROCKS. Like some sort of 16th century Japanese illustrated scroll made into a bizarre musical.As for Magma, I personally find it reminiscent of very ancient things. The mythology could have come off of a cuneiform tablet or an Egyptian tomb relief (hehe, especially Köhntarkösz! ). And Vander would make an absolutely darling Shaman. Or maybe an Inca priest...  For all my innate distaste for 'the altered self' (see above...! ), I can well imagine him drinking some nasty mushroom-and-cactus potion and envisioning stuff all over the shop. And... I read something in the New Scientist about some guy who is investigating the acoustics of caves in which prehistoric people made paintings. Apparently, the paintings often correspond to interesting acoustic effects. I'm sorry to say (well... not very sorry...) that my immediate reaction to reading that was "Ooh, I wonder what Magma would sound like in a cave...?!"  Ahvak: indeed, very industrial. It's a bit like wandering through an abandoned building... The sound effects are like metal fatigue set to music. The other thing that strikes me, reading what you wrote, is how there is always, at any period in history, a bunch of people who are perfectly happy with weirdness. I would LOVE to know what the Surrealists would have thought of Koenjihyakkei. I bet they'd have loved it!! If they were around now, they'd probably be musicians anyway, not artists...Final Steampunk-meets-Zeuhl thought: Daniel O'Sullivan - Lewis Carroll in a former life. |
Posted By: DandyWalker
Date Posted: September 28 2008 at 19:11
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I didn't read all previous posts but did every Zeuhl-"fan" check Lagger Blues Machine ? It's a Belgian great Zeuhl Band. I Recommend the album : "lagger blues machine".
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: January 30 2010 at 08:38
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What are your thoughts on this issue now, James? Almost a year and a half have passed.
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: July 26 2010 at 09:39
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: July 26 2010 at 09:46
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Try asking again in six months.
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Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: July 27 2010 at 20:26
Now I'm offended ... someone wrote more than me? ....    ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: moshkito
Date Posted: July 27 2010 at 20:43
And this is one of the problems with "classifications" of music ... it gets so that the classification is the law and the music isn't.
I don't consider this stuff jazz, any more than I consider it rock, any more than I consider it Orff, any more than I consider it anything else, including the most bizarre and off center description of a music (or art scene for that matter!) that I have ever seen. I like it that the term was created ... and it is a really good symbol of the vanity that we get ourselves into sometimes.
I consider Magma a "group/composer" and treat it with the same applauding information I would a Stravinsky or any other major composer in the 20th century ... because what they did was/is special and has stood out the test of time ... there is only one and the rest are copies ... which should be a very good indication that this is one person's vision ... and a very nice one that we have enjoyd for 40 years so far ... ! ------------- Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told! www.pedrosena.com |
Posted By: toroddfuglesteg
Date Posted: September 03 2010 at 10:24
| Is there any new, good Zeuhl bands around ? |
Posted By: TheGazzardian
Date Posted: September 03 2010 at 10:41
| Salty will recommend Xing Sa, I'm pretty sure. And I was recommended a band called Neom recently by Mellotron Storm. I'm no Zeuhl expert, nor have I heard either yet, but people whose opinions on Zeuhl I respect recommend them, so :) |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: September 04 2010 at 07:23
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Xing Sa are good, indeed. And there's a Zeuhl http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=63883&PID=3492842#3492842 - thread , too (though probably most of the Zeuhl talk was done in the http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=50898&PN=1 - RIO/Avant Drip-in Centre !
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Posted By: ProgBob
Date Posted: September 04 2010 at 16:38
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I don't remember this thread from when it was initiated, but with it being resurrected in the last couple of days I went back to read through it. It was interesting that the first post was in 2008 but E-Re was considered to be 'imminent' (October 2008 if I am reading it correctly). As we know, it didn't come out until late 2009. Was there some story behind that? I've only become a fan in the last year and was busy enough assimilating their old stuff, but having now become a bit obsessive, I can appreciate how excruciating it must have been to wait that long for it! ------------- Bob |