McKinney, Barr, Nader
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Topic: McKinney, Barr, Nader
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Subject: McKinney, Barr, Nader
Date Posted: September 11 2008 at 19:29
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: September 11 2008 at 19:32
Why do all of our candidates suck? 
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Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: September 11 2008 at 19:36
It would be so nice if we as Americans could elect a 3rd party candidate.....maybe that would wake up the politicians. |
Slartibartfast wrote:Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: September 11 2008 at 19:36
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By the way, I went to Ralph's site and couldn't discern if he actually has a named party. If someone knows better let me know. Maybe I should make it Ralph Nader Hearty Party or something. I decided to go for the one who used to represent my district and was a wonderful thorn in the side of the Repugnicans. Interesting how two of the options are both former representatives from my state... I'll give Babar credit for writing more sensible editorials these days than his political positions when he was in the House of Reprehensibles. Ah, to live in a state where I can actually safely vote third party, since McCain winning is a foregone conclusion. But if it should get close, you don't have to guess who I'll vote for. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: September 11 2008 at 20:17
| If my choice were these three, I'd vote Barr, no question. |
Posted By: BroSpence
Date Posted: September 12 2008 at 02:11
When has any candidate ever been any good? Out of those listed I'd be more likely to go Nader, but still would feel....sick? doing such a thing. |
Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: September 12 2008 at 13:11
| Where is Ron Paul in all of this? |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: September 12 2008 at 13:14
Well, he's not running for President, as far as I know. |
Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: September 12 2008 at 13:44
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I think the libertarians have become more insane than the other fringe parties now, and you should vote for them because they have guns and endless, spurious self-justification for using them
/n. really ------------- FREEDOM OF SPEECH GO TO HELL |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: September 13 2008 at 11:00
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Out of the choices I'll chose Bob Barr. He's not the ideal libertarian, more like paleoconservative with a few neocon leanings than a libertarian. I've had some issues with him in the past. However, my conscience would not bother me if I were to vote for him unlike the rest of the list or major party candidates.
I'll be voting Constitution Party though. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: September 13 2008 at 11:03
Remember the commotion when Jesse Ventura won his governership back as a 3rd party candidate? And that was very far removed from a independent president. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: September 13 2008 at 12:19
Who is the Constitution parties candidate? |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: September 13 2008 at 12:23
If you're serous, it's the least you could do.... |
Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: September 14 2008 at 14:39
Why didn't you say that it was good ol' Chuck Baldwin?  |
Posted By: jimmy_row
Date Posted: September 14 2008 at 19:30
| ^ I have no clue who that is, but the word "truth" is in the campaign slogan...telling me all I need to know... |
Posted By: King of Loss
Date Posted: September 14 2008 at 19:46
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Anyone but the Libertarian nutters... Yes, worse than McCain. |
Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: September 14 2008 at 20:44
Some people say that Ron Paul and what he has said in the past is nutters.
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: September 14 2008 at 22:57
When you hear the political machine's nonsense for long enough reason starts to sound like nutters. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: September 15 2008 at 13:29
That is true. And it is not like some news outlets don't have their own agenda as well. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: September 15 2008 at 14:37
Hey, stop calling those libertarian nutters libertarian nutters.  Babar's got five votes so far after all. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: September 15 2008 at 14:55
Here's hoping that he finishes with 5 more votes than Obama and McCain in November. |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: September 15 2008 at 14:58
Do you often hope for zero probability events such as this?  |
Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: September 15 2008 at 15:00
We all gotta have our fantasies. My meds haven't kicked in yet as well. |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: September 15 2008 at 16:47
Fixed ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: September 16 2008 at 13:28
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maybe I'd vote for Ralph Nader if I could, he was so good at wimbledon this year ------------- FREEDOM OF SPEECH GO TO HELL |
Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: September 16 2008 at 14:33
Thank you....but it wouldn't be the first time that a man won the popular vote but not the electorial. What was I thinking? Doh! |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: September 18 2008 at 21:23
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Posted By: BroSpence
Date Posted: September 19 2008 at 01:22
Beautiful. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: September 19 2008 at 06:49
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Yes, the perfect write-in I do believe. What would happen if enough people did that, anyway? ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: September 19 2008 at 13:10
I wish someone with the balls and the money would run this campaign right now. It's straight out of "Brewster's Millions". Imagine if the people did do this the politicians wouldn't know what to do. |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: September 20 2008 at 08:34
Nobody will help the poor and unemployed? Part of the reason we're in the state we are in is because leaders think they have the authority to help the poor and unemployed. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: September 20 2008 at 13:44
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That's right, the poor and unemployed need to go back and be born into some rich family, so they won't be poor and have all those privileges handed to them, I mean don't they realize that the sole purpose of their existence is to be exploited by the wealthy so that those who have a lot can have a whole lot more?
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Posted By: jimmy_row
Date Posted: September 20 2008 at 17:07
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Hey guys...just an idea. How about we have a debate...or better yet, a discussion, and we use actual points of reference alongside our experiences but without hiding behind anger or sarcasm. ? ------------- Signature Writers Guild on strike |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: September 20 2008 at 17:16
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I can respect Libertarian ideals of small guv and fiscal restraint (even though I don't agree) for the most part when they are mixed with some common sense. No one wants to hand cash to a lazy person who refuses to work. They lose me when they take it to the extreme and say that gov has absolutely no place caring for the elderly who have taken sick and are unable to fend, even though this person may have worked hard their whole life and contributed to society's betterment. The people who believe even the elderly should be left to become homeless to flex their purist ideologies are those for whom I lose respect very quickly.
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Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: September 21 2008 at 11:57
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Why does the existence of a governing body remove your duty to help the poor and elderly? The government doesn't absorb this moral duty and remove you of culpability. We're a group of free individuals who can take our own initiatives to help people. Why put such a huge responsibility in the hands of a laughably inefficient government organ. The money can be much better spent when its localized. This idea of a Robin Hood government may be romantic, but at its core its still theft regardless of the cause. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: September 21 2008 at 11:58
Yup. That exactly sums up what I said. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: Finnforest
Date Posted: September 21 2008 at 12:11
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Well first I don't consider it theft to band Americans together to support basic human care at the end of life, but rather a social contract deserving of "threatening the freedom" of the hard core Libs. We do it as a people to make sure everyone can get access to the help in a dignified manner, rather than perhaps having to suck up to some church to get the kind of community charity that the conservatives favor. This kind of hands off approach existed in the distant past, when poor americans died alone or on "poor farms". We can do better than than, without advocating full socialism, by making sure an older person can remain in their home and get health care at the end of life, yes, backed by our country as a whole, not on individual charities with their own shortcomings and agendas. You are correct to point out that government can be inefficient and I applaud those who work to make us better on that front. But you can start with corporate welfare, the military, and 1000 other things before you get to cutting off help for our most vulnerable. ------------- ...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell" |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: September 21 2008 at 12:53
^ Be careful what you wish for, you may get it. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: September 21 2008 at 13:04
 That deserved three clappies. By the way, how does one go back and be born into some rich family? I've been trying to figure that one out for years now, but still no luck. 
Where's the fun in that? ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: jimmy_row
Date Posted: September 21 2008 at 13:13
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I wasn't born into a rich family. So I gave up and complained about it.
I also wasn't born into a poor family. So I made sure it stayed that way by keeping them under my feet. ------------- Signature Writers Guild on strike |
Posted By: jimmy_row
Date Posted: September 21 2008 at 13:15
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Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: September 21 2008 at 13:26
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I think the best thing that could happen to the American political system is to have an option "none of the above". I bet he'd win every election. At least until the major parties got their acts together. ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: jimmy_row
Date Posted: September 21 2008 at 14:10
^ Pretty soon, the "Indifferent Party" (soon to be called simply the "indies") would seize control, and proceed to do an inadequate job. ------------- Signature Writers Guild on strike |
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: September 21 2008 at 14:15
After 8 years of Bush, I would love to have a president who merely did an inadequate job. ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: September 21 2008 at 14:19
Well thats fine that other things should be cut off first, but it doesn't change the fact that social welfare is just as bad as corporate welfare, though of course the former is easier to support because it has the face of your grandmom attached to it. You use alot of nice words about banding Americans together, but how can you call it anything besides theft when an entity takes money from you through force? ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: The Doctor
Date Posted: September 21 2008 at 14:28
I can call them taxes and so, I think, can most everyone.
The reason taxes are not theft, is that being a citizen of a country, any country, involves a social contract between you and all other members of that society. That contract involves such things as having a government and laws which all members of that society are supposed to abide by. In order to have government and laws, each member of society must contribute to the upkeep of that government and its laws. One of the primary functions of the social contract and, in turn, of government, is to protect all members of society, physically, in terms of intangible rights, and yes, also economically. You may not have signed said contract, but by participating in society you have agreed to abide by the rules of that contract. If I agree to pay you $100 to paint my house, then you paint my house, and then demand I pay you $100, would you call that theft? I think not. ------------- I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you? |
Posted By: jimmy_row
Date Posted: September 21 2008 at 14:37
what if he did an "inadequate" job of painting? ------------- Signature Writers Guild on strike |
Posted By: Equality 7-2521
Date Posted: September 21 2008 at 20:02
Well there's the source of our disagreement. We clearly have a different conception of the social contract. Though I think its rather clear from the intentions of our founders that our government was not constructed to provide the protection you talk about. I have to point out that your analogy is incredibly dissimilar to the situation at hand. A better analogy would be I see a man starving on the street so I put a gun to your head and take two dollars from you so that I may feed him. ------------- "One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. " |
Posted By: BroSpence
Date Posted: September 22 2008 at 23:35
As a point of argument... Our founding fathers also had slaves, lived between the 18th and 19th century, and to an extent were terrorists. |
Posted By: keiser willhelm
Date Posted: September 22 2008 at 23:44
i prefer the term "insurgents" or "freedom fighters" ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/KeiserWillhelm" rel="nofollow - What im listening to |
Posted By: BroSpence
Date Posted: September 25 2008 at 01:28
Nader is a proponent of the "no confidence" vote option. |