PA's Battle to Stardom A5: Can v. Dream Theater
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Topic: PA's Battle to Stardom A5: Can v. Dream Theater
Posted By: MovingPictures07
Subject: PA's Battle to Stardom A5: Can v. Dream Theater
Date Posted: September 11 2008 at 10:51
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Haha, now this is one I've really been looking forward to. The results here could easily go any which way and I'll love to see how they turn out. The masters of Krautrock or the masters of prog metal, both controversial... which will be crowned and continue? I hope this one gets quite a bit of responses!  Please: If you are not familiar with one or both of the band's material, I urge that you use the links provided and at least listen to the samples on their respective pages. Can's PA page: http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=667 - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=667 Dream Theater's PA page: http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=378 - http://www.progarchives.com/artist.asp?id=378 As always, discussions are encouraged. Recap: Round 1 A1: A2: A3: Emerson, Lake and Palmer v. A4: A1: forum_posts.asp?TID=51423&PN=2 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51423&PN=2 A2: forum_posts.asp?TID=51492&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51492&PN=1 A3: forum_posts.asp?TID=51567&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51567&PN=1 A4: http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51630&PN=1 - http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=51630&PN=1 ------------- 
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Posted By: febus
Date Posted: September 11 2008 at 11:06
Not one minute of hesitation, Alex
You know , i am 51 (don't tell anybody else
) so you can guess who i vote for.Even if i don't consider CAN as the Krautrock masters (would be Amon Duul 2 for me)...still will win easily over anything noisy to my poor ears.
DT? i guess it is a young man pleasure, you have to grow up with that to appreciate
.too ''boom boom'' for me, but i can understand why some people like them
I saw CAN in concert in 1977 ( i think was the BABALUMA tour..1977???).....was an experience and a half!
I like CAN , but not LOVE their music.....Enjoy ''Soundtracks'' some''Tago Mago''....i said some
''Future Days'' and ''Babaluma''.I do own (yes, yes) 1 or 2 DT, but the only track i can listen to (and enjoy) is the last one from AWAKEN , an athmospheric piece from K. Moore...very good indeed.
Good job one more time, Alex
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: September 11 2008 at 11:09
Well, Amon Duul II would definitely be tied with Can for being the "masters"... and of course it's subjective, but I mainly meant the most representative "master" of their respective sub-genre... Amon Duul II is great and they're second, but I think when most people think of Krautrock they'll be more inclined to think of Can first. I don't know, haha, they can both be masters; I was just thinking both bands are like the "big" bands of their sub-genres. Oh, and just maybe ADII will make an appearance later on. And thanks. I really hope people enjoy these polls, and they get better and better with more responses/discussion/votes, so I heavily welcome your continued participation in these tournaments.  -------------
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febus wrote:Posted By: Hawkwise
Date Posted: September 11 2008 at 11:34
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Being the Old fart i am i have to say i have never listen to Dream Theater, but i do like a bit Can once in awhile Future days being my Fav by them ------------- 
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: September 11 2008 at 11:42
| Dream Theater. Not a big krautrock fan in general, have Tago Mago and wasn't really impressed, although it deserves some more listens. Even were I to compile more Can albums I don't think I'd like them as much as DT (I'm sure I'll get flayed by some for this opinion). |
Posted By: listen
Date Posted: September 11 2008 at 11:42
| Can by far |
Posted By: listen
Date Posted: September 11 2008 at 11:47
Try Future Days 
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: September 11 2008 at 11:51
I might....then again I might not.  |
Posted By: Astrodomine
Date Posted: September 11 2008 at 11:54
| Can well over DT |
Posted By: mellors
Date Posted: September 11 2008 at 11:59
| I enjoy listening to DT, but I return to listening to Can more |
Posted By: listen
Date Posted: September 11 2008 at 12:11
I've never gotten into Dream Theater, but I'm open to giving them another try. I have Scenes from a memory and think its okay... Any recommendations? |
Posted By: LeInsomniac
Date Posted: September 11 2008 at 12:17
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Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence is another great album of theirs, but if you can't get IN with scenes, then you better give up. Just kidding. I voted for DT hre, I like Can, but I'm young for now, so, I'm gonna enjoy DT while I can. oops. "While I Can" see the joke? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/LeInsomniac/?chartstyle=volta"> 
Happy Family One Hand Clap, Four Went On But None Came Back |
Posted By: Queen By-Tor
Date Posted: September 11 2008 at 12:44
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Being that my first Prog experience (before I knew what prog was) was
Dream Theater's Awake - which is an album that I still love to pieces
today - I've had a lot more experience with DT. I love most of their
albums and even though they take A LOT of flak from this website I
still think they're one of the leading PM acts right now. Systematic
Chaos was great despite what some people say about it. The only Can album I have is Future Days, and I like that one a lot as well. However, I think that even if I had every Can album I'd still have to vote for DT. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 11 2008 at 12:52
I suspect that you need to explore more Krautrock. For Can, I prefer Ege Bamyasi. Like Antoine, my favourite really is Amon Duul II. And I love Agitation Free. Here's a great album that I would have thought you'd like considerably.  4.14 ../album.asp?id=3185 - AGITATION FREE Malesch (1972) Not to kick DT when it's down (Cans are more kickable), but I much prefer Can. And I am CANadian. |
Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: September 11 2008 at 12:54
Images and Words. -------------
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 11 2008 at 13:11
As a different approach, you could start with a tribute to DT album
2007 ../album.asp?id=17545 - String Quartet Tribute to Dream Theater not rated or a DT tribute to Metallica album 
2003 ../album.asp?id=9643 - Master Of Puppets 1.76 (25 ratings) |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: September 11 2008 at 13:22
You might be right, but let me give you a list of what I've heard so far: Amon Duul II: Phallus Dei, Yeti, Wolf City AR & Machines: Echo Can: Tago Mago Faust: So Far, Faust Neu!: Neu! '75 Guru Guru: I forget the name of the album, it has Dagobert Duck on it. And there's been not one among these that I've been really impressed with*. Surely this is a fair enough representation and sufficient data for the Krautrock scene that I can make my determination, no? edit: actually I think I like the Guru Guru album the best, I probably will get more from that group. * IMO, obviously |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 11 2008 at 13:39
You do know a lot. Guru Guru is great (should have thought of that as
one you might like). Re my suggestion, please do check out the
Agitation Free streaming mp3 at this site if you haven't already (see
links below album). Note: I do think that that is a particularly good
track. And a myspace page: http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=397230967 - Agitation Free - "AGITATION FREE" But if one's not much into psych... (my favourite psych is often Psych Folk i.e. Acid Folk). I still haven't explored Kraut that greatly.... Didn't have the same impact on me on the whole as other categories music. it's not up there for me on the whole with say Zeuhl/ RIO/ Canterbury, though people who love those categories commonly love Krautrock). |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: September 11 2008 at 13:42
Same here, really - I don't hate the albums I listed, but they don't have near the same impact on me as Magma, National Health, Henry Cow, etc. |
Posted By: febus
Date Posted: September 11 2008 at 14:07
Yes, now we're going to keep a close eye on you
 .....just make sure you don't do any reckless votes like this one |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: September 11 2008 at 14:12
I can be a loose cannon - probably been hanging around micky too much again |
Posted By: crimhead
Date Posted: September 11 2008 at 14:13
| I want me some Tago Mago. |
Posted By: Luke. J
Date Posted: September 11 2008 at 14:21
| The only thing I like from Can is "Monster Movie". Then, I own all Dream Theater studio albums + A Change of Seasons. "Awake" and "Images and Words" qualify to be all-time classics for me, and at least three other are a great listen. So, guess my vote ;) |
Posted By: GosudO
Date Posted: September 11 2008 at 15:04
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DT got me into prog , but my vote goes to CAN. For the sake of future days ! |
Posted By: splyu
Date Posted: September 11 2008 at 15:18
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Not a huge fan of either, but I'll have to go with Can here. Edit: and by the way...  at this poll! |
Posted By: The T
Date Posted: September 11 2008 at 15:38
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Mmm.... Dream Theater vs some crazy germans high on grass that play incoherent tunes.....
I'll go with DT here... But caution: I've only heard Tago Mago. Maybe I'm ill-advised...
But anyway, I'd go with DT. They're my favorite after all... ------------- 
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Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: September 11 2008 at 15:59
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Let's see... Can hasn't really made any songs I like, but they haven't made any songs I hate. Dream Theater has tons of songs that I hate so I'll go with Can.
------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Avantgardian |
Posted By: Nightfly
Date Posted: September 11 2008 at 16:03
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Despite the amount of hate mail Dream Theater seem to inspire round here at times they've released some great albums and I'm a big fan where as with Can I'm a more selective listener though they do have some great moments like Mother Sky. I haven't heard enough tracks like this from them to compete with DT though. |
Posted By: horsewithteeth11
Date Posted: September 11 2008 at 16:03
HOLY SH**! DT'S STILL WINNING AND HASN'T GOTTEN SERIOUSLY FLAMED YET?!?! I think this just made my day. DT for me of course. As much as I like Tago Mago, it just doesn't compete with any of DT's album for me, except maybe Octavarium.*Ducks rocks* ------------- 
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: September 11 2008 at 16:34
This is actually a pretty close race. Look at them go! *is careful to say who he voted for* -------------
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Posted By: memowakeman
Date Posted: September 11 2008 at 17:36
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Never been a fan of Can, even today i listened to Tago Mago and it bored me, while i once enjoyed DT music, something that Can never did with me. So despite i don't listen to DT anymore, if i voted, it would be for them, but i won't vote anyways ------------- Follow me on twitter @memowakeman |
Posted By: Syzygy
Date Posted: September 11 2008 at 17:58
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Can - it's a total no-brainer for me, although I'd be intrigued to hear DT cover Tago Mago or Ege Bamyesi.
UnCANnily enough, Pinch came up on my itunes shuffle (out of almost 12000 tracks) just as I typed that. ------------- 'Like so many of you I've got my doubts about how much to contribute to the already rich among us...' Robert Wyatt, Gloria Gloom |
Posted By: Alberto Muņoz
Date Posted: September 11 2008 at 18:16
Can by a mile -------------  |
Posted By: keiser willhelm
Date Posted: September 11 2008 at 18:27
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Can. Ege Bamyasi and Tago Mago are mind numbingly awesome. Still need to here Future days though. Powerful music. DT's stuff just doesnt pack a punch, for all its "heavey ness" and "metal ness". but they're the ones who got me into prog or at least the ones who lead me to this website 4 years ago so i guess i should be thankful.
------------- http://www.last.fm/user/KeiserWillhelm" rel="nofollow - What im listening to |
Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: September 11 2008 at 18:55
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22-21! Wow, this has been close the entire time! Thanks for the votes so far, guys. Keep them coming! -------------
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Posted By: Yorkie X
Date Posted: September 11 2008 at 20:48
which bank account account would I prefer more Dream Theater's or Can's, there is the answer 
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Posted By: Erpland316
Date Posted: September 11 2008 at 22:54
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Dream Theater have their moments but Can just inspired so many bands! From Radiohead to almost all post-rock, their impact is so expansive!
------------- "Science is all metaphor"-Timothy Leary [IMG]http://freespace.virgin.net/martin.jones10/amonpic.jpg">[IMG]http://imagegen.last.fm/red/artists/Yeti316.gif"> |
Posted By: Dim
Date Posted: September 12 2008 at 12:24
| Ha I voted DT. EB was excellent for about two weeks, and then I pumped it up one day and realised how boring it was, I just cant sit through the first couple of songs anymore. At least images and words has it's moments. |
Posted By: sleeper
Date Posted: September 12 2008 at 12:52
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Dream Theater.
------------- Spending more than I should on Prog since 2005 
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Posted By: laplace
Date Posted: September 12 2008 at 13:23
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A vote for Can, who are best ;P I suppose half of their votes are "Not DT" votes but I'll take it anyway ------------- FREEDOM OF SPEECH GO TO HELL |
Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: September 12 2008 at 18:13
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Sorry but I "Can"' t deal with DT , just not my flask of prog ------------- I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth. |
Posted By: Statutory-Mike
Date Posted: September 12 2008 at 18:16
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Who do you think I voted for?
DT. DT. DT. DT. DT. ------------- 
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Posted By: BroSpence
Date Posted: September 13 2008 at 02:42
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CAN CAN CAN I DO THE CAN CAN YES I VOTE FOR CAN CAN.
How the hell did Marillion beat Mahav. ?????? Gross. |
Posted By: Avantgardehead
Date Posted: September 13 2008 at 03:31
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I bet Camel's going to beat whoever they're against...
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Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: September 13 2008 at 09:17
I sure hope not this time.  -------------
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 13 2008 at 09:37
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voted for the Can.. easy.... one was a paragon of progressive rock music... pushing the boundries.. .letting it ALL. hang out... the other....smells like prog... tastes like prog.... yet is no more prog than Brittany Spears ... complex music yes... prog? hmmmm... prog in my book is more than complex music. If that was the case... lets add Dione Warwick preference aside... I love many metal bands more than VDGG for example. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: September 13 2008 at 09:49
If we had more people voting like in this poll, it might not have happened that way. -------------
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Posted By: febus
Date Posted: September 13 2008 at 10:02
Oh i tried many times, but you wouldn't allow me
....and now the mighty M.ORCHESTRA is out! |
Posted By: Norbert
Date Posted: September 13 2008 at 10:40
| Very uncool on this site, but Dream Theater for me without a second of hesitation. |
Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: September 13 2008 at 10:40
If I allowed multiple votes, this would be a disaster. -------------
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Posted By: Stool Man
Date Posted: September 14 2008 at 04:49
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Can, and will, and has!
------------- rotten hound of the burnie crew |
Posted By: Petrovsk Mizinski
Date Posted: September 14 2008 at 05:27
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Alex, your polls are getting worse each time
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Posted By: Chris S
Date Posted: September 14 2008 at 05:39
Can win this one by miles, but would have loved to have seen Amon Duul II in za pol ------------- ...As I venture through the slipstream, between the viaducts in your dreams...[/COLOR] |