The Alan Parsons` Project
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Topic: The Alan Parsons` Project
Posted By: oldefogey
Subject: The Alan Parsons` Project
Date Posted: August 16 2008 at 14:26
 I am new to this forum , Like "The Alan Parson`s Project"; Isoa Tomita, Jean M Jarre, Klaus Schultz etc.------------- Olde Fogey |
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 16 2008 at 14:31
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ahhhhhh.. you don't have to yell man hahahhah love the APP myself.. my favorite was always I Robot love JMJ's Oxygene.. and have just started to get into Schulze welcome to the forum.. and have a clappies.. would normally be two.. but you lose one for hurting my ears hahahha  ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: tszirmay
Date Posted: August 16 2008 at 14:37
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Too much sax makes you deaf, oldefogey, we are a meek and gentle breed , us proggers (hahahaha) . I have a soft spot for "The Voice" and "Some Other Place" from I Robot . The first 3 APPs are tremendous. We also have a slew of Electronica gurus here, enjoy. Micky already gave you complimentary clappies , you got to earn them from now on ! ------------- I never post anything anywhere without doing more than basic research, often in depth. |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: August 16 2008 at 14:54
I'm more of a 'Turn of a friendly card' man, myself... ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: oldefogey
Date Posted: August 16 2008 at 15:35
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Can I add Led Zep, [Gary Moore - looking for the "Loner Track" purchased the EP, but was stolen]; Pink Floyd, Genesis, Dire Straits, Camel, ELO, Michael Schenker. ------------- Olde Fogey |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 16 2008 at 15:46
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you may certainly add ELO
------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Tony R
Date Posted: August 16 2008 at 16:31
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How about Tangerine Dream, you like them too? |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 16 2008 at 16:37
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^ that is a group I have been listening to a LOT recently... especially their first 4.
------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: MovingPictures07
Date Posted: August 16 2008 at 16:49
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Welcome! ELO and APP are two groups that deserve more respect, IMO.
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Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: August 16 2008 at 16:59
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 16 2008 at 17:01
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if he mentions Industrial Disease being a favorite DS track... he'll get another clappie hell... I can give myself one for mentioning it can't I?  edit... insert clappie ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: jammun
Date Posted: August 16 2008 at 17:23
 next patient please...
But before I get totally off track, I Robot was a great poppy sorta rock release at the time, right up there with Breakfast In America and Year of the Cat.
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Posted By: Blacksword
Date Posted: August 16 2008 at 18:31
| I quite like APP. I have 'Turn of a Friendly Card' and 'I Robot' For me they are probably on a par with Manfred Manns Earth Band. Sometimes very good, but often a little bland. That said I've not heard all they've done. |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: August 16 2008 at 21:12
Ooo! n Amiga user - Hi Alan, welcome.
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Posted By: Statutory-Mike
Date Posted: August 16 2008 at 21:35
I love that you're a fan of Schenker  ------------- 
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Posted By: jalist
Date Posted: August 17 2008 at 08:10
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I love the line in that song "Two men say they're Jesus, one of them must be wrong" :) Hmm, Alan Parson's Project. The first album is great, especially the side long classical piece on side 2. Eve and Pyramid are also great albums but they haven't made a decent album (imo) since Eye In The Sky. |
Posted By: metalisnotprog
Date Posted: September 08 2008 at 20:30
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Now i maybe dumb, but if the Alan Parson's Project is prog, why isn't ELO?
Don't go into the guff already on here. The APP is pop not prog, i've listened intently to all their albums, some good, some abysmal and some worse. My favourite is Ammoniun Avenue, and that's is as close to prog as Take That.
Can someone please explain why they are here.
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Posted By: The T
Date Posted: September 08 2008 at 22:56
Nobody has to explain you anything. Since you have such a friendly nickname, it's already clear explanations for you are not necessary. You already know your truth, and none will change it. So please, don't start asking for clarifications on how this site is run with just 3 POSTS. ------------- 
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metalisnotprog wrote:Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: September 09 2008 at 12:51
May I make a couple of suggestions, MinP, which might ultimately give you a more enjoyable experience on PA.
Firstly, you will notice that some bands are listed as 'Prog-Related' on PA, as opposed to being fully progressive, of which APP is one. This conclusion was reached by a number of our experienced Collaborators assessing their discography and influences over a period of time. having done so, they felt that APP fell into one of the following categories:
Prog Related is the category that groups bands and artists that:
- Without being 100% Prog, received clear MUSICAL influence of this genre, OR - Are widely accepted as MUSICALLY influential to the development of Progressive Rock by the community, OR - Blend characteristics of Progressive Rock with mainstream elements creating a final product that despite not being part of the genre is evident that are close to Prog. I personally think they fall into more than one, especially the first, as their influence has been substantial.
For the full definition of Prog-Related, please click on this link:
http://www.progarchives.com/subgenre.asp?style=38 - http://www.progarchives.com/subgenre.asp?style=38
Secondly, this thread has been opened by another newbie, Oldefogey, so that he can introduce himself and tell us what music he likes. This is the only thread most of us (in all probablilty) ever get to dedicate entirely to ourselves, so this isn't the place for arguing over the artistic merits of APP. You are still welcome to do this of course, but in this case, the Proto-Prog & Prog-Related Lounge would be more suitable surroundings...
Thirdly, I would suggest that you might have a word with one of our Admin team to change your name, when you have thought of a good new one. Unfortunately, as The T quite rightly says, 'MetalisnotProg' is unnecessarily confrontational, and won't gain you many friends among those of us who enjoy Progressive Metal. Try and think of something more original, maybe whitty, but remember that forum members will always try to shorten it (which is why I'm nearly always called 'fanny'...
)Finally, Please take this in the spirit it is meant... we wish both you and Oldefogey a very enjoyable, stimulating, educational and long-lived stay on PA...
------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 17 2008 at 15:27
Good post, Jared!  First off, a very belated welcome to Alan! I love those artists myself, so you're in "bad" company. ;) Just a couple of notes on m.i.n.p. (I do prefer to call people by their real names in their profiles). I agree that metal is not prog, and would say that rock is not prog either. Progressive rock is Prog, and Progressive Metal is a kind of Prog, but rock and metal in and of themselves are not prog. In fact, for me, one of the primary defining characteristics of Prog is its fusion of styles, so pure rock or metal is not Prog to my ears. There are many great metal-fusion bands. For a purist, Prog was a temporal movement in the late 60's-70's. It brings me to a niggling question I've had, if Progressive Metal is not Prog Rock (and I've thought of metal as a rock subset) and this site was bulit to archive Progressive Rock albums/ bands, then how relevant is it to the site? This question has been asked of various categories (I should raise this in the other thread, but since it's a related thought to what I was saying...). As to Alan Parsons Project since you did ask, and never said anyone had to explain it to you: Jared's post is good, and it is important to recognise the differences (though not always clear-cut and people have differences of opinions) between bands in Related categories and Prog categories. For me APP is a no-brainer, particularly based on the first two albums, but also later material. Not only was it influenced by progressive rock acts (of course Alan Parsons worked on Dark Side of the Moon, which admittedly, I don't think that Prog and Pink Floyd while part of the Prog canon is not as Prog to my ears as many other acts), and it has influenced many Prog artists (one of my favourites being Jozef Skrzek) nut it clearly blends Prog qualities with more mainstream rock. It fits on every count as far as I'm concerned. Growing up in the 70's, my circle considered APP Prog, and to me it is still proggy (I think there is a strong case for it in Crossover, in fact). Early APP, at least, is quite widely considered Prog, I believe (at least I thought so). It would be interesting to research how APP was generally classified in the 70s, because there has been much revisionism since then about what is Prog and what is not. I have Type-O blood, so edited for typos. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: Robot78
Date Posted: September 18 2008 at 19:24
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Good taste Olde Fogey.
I had the pleasure of seeing Alan Parsons and his band last weekend in Las Vegas. He's had his current tour lineup for some time - so they are really tight.
Going from memory, here is some of the set list (not in order)
Dr Tarr and Prof Fether
Breakdown/The Raven
Don't Let it Show
I Wouldn't Want to be Like You
Damned If I Do
Luciferama
Don't Answer Me
Sirius/Eye in the Sky
Psychobabble
Time
Games People Play
La Sagrada Familia
Prime Time
As you can see, they went with the older/classic hits and my only complaint is that the concert was too short.
 Take care,
Robot78
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Posted By: Steve-A
Date Posted: September 19 2008 at 15:08
Never really understood what's prog and what's not. I don't think it matters. I like much ELO, and I like some APP. I don't know if either of them are "prog", but a lot of APP hasn't "hit the spot" for me.
Now... What do people think about Mike Batt's album, "Tarot Suite"? Is that prog? Does it matter?!
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 19 2008 at 15:29
../artist.asp?id=2259 - ELECTRIC LIGHT ORCHESTRA is in the Crossover category, anyway, and that is a Prog category (whereas Alan Parsons Project is in the Prog-Related category). ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: September 19 2008 at 15:35
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One could argue however that APP were placed into Prog-related before Crossover prog ever existed. They might require further evaluation as they might fit better into Crossover prog then they would have fit into Art Rock. Just a thought, not an opinion. ------------- 
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: September 19 2008 at 15:43
Indeed, they were, and I have been thinking about suggesting that Crossover consider APP (then Prog-Related would have to agree to the move). For me it would fit very well, but I would want to research well first before making the proposal to ensure that it wouldn't be too controversial an addition to a Prog category. I grew up thinking of it as a kind of Prog, so that may have tainted my objectivity (and, to be perfectly honest, though a favourite of mine for many years, it's been quite while since I've last listened to it, and I know much more about Prog now than I did even a few years ago, so I'd want to listen again). ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: September 19 2008 at 15:50
[Admin Hat Off/Crossover Hat On] I asked for APP to be moved to Crossover a while ago
 [Crossover Hat Off/Admin Hat On] Keep your hair on Darq , these things take time you know, just learn a little patience will you!  ------------- What? |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: September 19 2008 at 15:54
 You have to love those internal struggles. -------------
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Posted By: Dean
Date Posted: September 19 2008 at 15:57
At least I'm never alone  ------------- What? |
Posted By: metalisnotprog
Date Posted: September 19 2008 at 19:52
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Heres me thinking my name is witty.
However i don't beleive APP are anywhere near prog, but, that doesn't make them a bad band. I do have all of thier albums and when the mood suits i listen to them. And, have done so for more years than i can remember. Crossover seems a bit ambiguous, ELO were probably close to prog on thier first two albums.....but went commercial soon after, and even hit disco on the Discovery album. Once again, a band i love with great songs and a few good albums......but really should never be discussed on a prog site.
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Posted By: Rocktopus
Date Posted: September 20 2008 at 07:39
Hey! I think your name is witty. I think ELO are prog enough on their third album as well. Most profilic progbands turned commercial at some point. I think progrelated would be the perfect place for a band like ELO. Free-Jazz and electroacoustic composers and psychedelic rock are being discussed here too. Should we stop because this is a progsite? ------------- Over land and under ashes In the sunlight, see - it flashes Find a fly and eat his eye But don't believe in me Don't believe in me Don't believe in me |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 20 2008 at 09:30
hahhahaha patience... or has it even been talked about in months... it should be a simple matter for the admin team to release a band to a team that wants it. Not a court case... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 20 2008 at 09:41
not sure what your standards of prog are... but assuming you have actually listened to the first 3 albums. Not even the first 2 ..... and would LOVE to know just what your standards of just what prog IS. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: September 20 2008 at 09:51
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^ btw...and the the fourth is considered by a great many to be their prog 'masterpiece'.. not my view.. but it is by a good number of people.
------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Gaston
Date Posted: September 27 2008 at 00:53
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Great thing about Alan Parsons is his esoteric knowledge... -------------  
It's the same guy. Great minds think alike. |
Posted By: oldefogey
Date Posted: September 28 2008 at 15:24
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To all the forum members that answered my original question - an apology is required. I have been offline for many weeks, due to family problems - my sisters in hospital and I have to take on the carer routine: means getting up at 6.00am (uk time) doing my caring, coming back at 13.00pm and getting some bed rest, then going out at 16:00 and staying put until 23:00 hrs, before heading home to bed. I am riding a Honda SH 125i on "L" (learner plates) and hate fog and rain, particularly when its dark. Anyone who comes up with an idea for a battery operated skid lid wiper will get my support. Best wishes as always.  ------------- Olde Fogey |
Posted By: oldefogey
Date Posted: September 28 2008 at 15:33
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I used to watch and video (UK) C4 Anime films, I used to read Science Fiction, and gained a degree in Librarianship and did a Thesis on Lord of the Rings. I currently play DS2 on my XP OS PC. I am a sci fi geek, I suppose - but are there any others like me out there? ------------- Olde Fogey |
Posted By: oldefogey
Date Posted: September 28 2008 at 16:19
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To Gaston, Esoteric Knowledge (?)
He got a collective of gifted musicians together and let them coalese and create ... music which we adore. I would love to obtain a mp3 version of Gary Moore`s 7 inch single entitled "The Loner". I purchased 4 copies of the record in question, which were stolen by an ex ex ex girlfriend. Gary Moore would have been a welcome addition to the APP - But the project missed him, and yet produced excellent rock music. ------------- Olde Fogey |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: September 29 2008 at 05:05
Our thoughts and best wishes go out to you at a time like this, my friend. We wish your sister a full and speedy recovery, and look forward to your future forum contributions, when you are able to find the time.
Keep smiling...  ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: rogerthat
Date Posted: October 01 2008 at 13:08
| Tales...would be my favourite. I reckon you would rather like Barclay James Harvest too if you like this band. |
Posted By: Gaston
Date Posted: October 02 2008 at 19:52
Yeah, really a lot of deep themes going on that deal with almost the occult, in many cases... 1) Edgar Allan Poe (was deeply in tune with spiritualism and the supernatural) 2) Artificial Intelligence 3) Pyramids 4) Women (specifically biblical themes) 5) Chance/luck and addiction 6) More Egyptian stuff (but actually about power/ambition) 7) Poisons 8) Consumerism and vanity (complete with Ouroboros album cover!) 9) Mental Illness 10) Eccentricity (architectural in Gaudi's case) (not familiar with Freudiana but sounds like more thematically related to Stereotomy) Alan Parsons is extremely influenced by ancient culture, astrology, alchemy, and perhaps occult societies like Freemasonry and Rosicrucianism. But. This is only MY opinion. :) -------------
It's the same guy. Great minds think alike. |
Posted By: XunknownX
Date Posted: October 02 2008 at 20:50
It's The Alan Parsons Project, his name is Alan Parsons 
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Posted By: XunknownX
Date Posted: October 02 2008 at 20:51
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..and I'm also new, what an entrence, lol....
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Posted By: oldefogey
Date Posted: October 03 2008 at 15:30
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Wow - that sounds great! |
Posted By: sweetleaf
Date Posted: October 10 2008 at 09:37
| I have a lot of APP on my Ipod... sometimes some crazy boring song comes on and it's APP and then some amazing song comes on it will be APP, I can always tell without looking as it all has a very unique sound. Alan Parsons is a great producer! |
Posted By: oldefogey
Date Posted: October 10 2008 at 21:26
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As I am over 50 yrs of age - I would certainly be able to know which Artistes I have purchased over the years - the majority are on an 33!/3 rpm; and the singles are at 45rpm. The classics are at 78rpm. Since the 1980s when the Computer chip was invented - Sinclair ZX80 and ZX81, followed by a BBC Micro 32K and a Commodore 64K and an Amiga A500, and finally an Amiga A1200, are just the home computers I have purchased, over the years.
When it came down to it, the PC proved to be the cheapest system, and offered far more than the BBC and the Amiga A1200 together (I have 3 of these + 8yrs of Magazines and nearly 1000 disks of original software). Ron, where are you - your 64bit music creations - made the CDR 64 the best home computer system that outsold the rest. ------------- Olde Fogey |