Topics with more than 4000 posts closed
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Topic: Topics with more than 4000 posts closed
Posted By: Easy Livin
Subject: Topics with more than 4000 posts closed
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 11:32
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In his continuing efforts to stabilise the site, and make visiting it an enjoyable and trouble free experience, mailto:M@x - M@x has identified that very large threads are contributing to the issues currently being experienced.
As a result, threads with more than 4000 responses have been closed and hidden.
Please accept the apologies of mailto:M@x - M@x for this, he does appreciate the popularity of these threads. Post counts will not be affected by this action.
It goes without saying that new threads on the same topics may be started to continue the discussion. Please note though that in future it is likely that when a thread reaches 4000 posts, it will be locked and hidden automatically to safeguard the site performance.
This measure will be in place until further notice, but hopefully will not need to be permanent.
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 11:37
| Thanks Bob - as I just told Max, it's no problem at all to simply close and re-start threads with more frequency if that helps site performance. |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 11:44
^^thanks to Max and Bob for all the time and effort you have put into resolving these issues....it is very greatly appreciated, and this seams to be a relatively small price to pay for our continued enjoyment... ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: rushfan4
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 11:52
It is a good think that post counts won't be affected because hiding all the Velvet Room/Suede Room threads would probably make James a n00b again.  ------------- 
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Posted By: M@X
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 12:09
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Anyway .... it's kind of logic that thread with too much replies are closed because the main subject of discussion is often not more the subject discussed after 1000 posts anyway.
So as a performance best practices and a better organization of our topics and threads, it's an overall improvement to the site and forum. Thanks for your understanding and continuous support Max ------------- Prog On ! |
Posted By: MikeEnRegalia
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 12:20
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Of course most of these threads are no longer topic discussions, but general purpose chat rooms ... the *perfect* solution would be to automatically delete old posts, so that only the - for example - 2000 most current posts remain.
------------- https://awesomeprog.com/users/Mike" rel="nofollow">Recently listened to: 
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Posted By: Jim Garten
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 12:22
Cheers Max - nice one (I did wonder why our beloved Grey Room was closed... )
Dammit - I thought we'd finally succeeded in offending somebody  ------------- 
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Posted By: chopper
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 12:55
I would have thought we did that around page 2. All those mentions of bodily emissions must have offended someone.
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Jim Garten wrote:Posted By: Statutory-Mike
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 13:36
I have noticed the site going a bit quicker for me. Thanks mailto:M@X - M@X  ------------- 
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 13:46
Interesting, those who generate popular threads are now on notice, don't become too popular. Now if we could just do something about those annoying multi-colored quote balloons. I think they're the real problem here. 
------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 13:50
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Posted By: NotAProghead
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 13:59
I don't mind if they will be closed. Easy to start the new one. But hidden? For example, "All prog from Italy appreciation" thread besides endless micky's "hahaha" contains lots of discussions and recommendations which can be helpful for a long time.
I don't want that and similar threads to be hidden.
------------- Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour) |
Posted By: The Quiet One
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 14:03
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Is it me, or the site works much better now? Really, everytime I click on PA forum it ALWAYS appeared, the first time, Time Expired, etc...
It's ok to me, if it's for the good of the site, I don't care |
Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 15:13
Aww... No more full-blown VR's  |
Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 15:17
| Can we get a list of closed threads to make it easier to restart them? |
Posted By: TGM: Orb
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 16:12
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We'll be going through a Suede Room a week now. Epic :) |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 16:54
Better watch it bub just 3982 more posts and this thread is history. ------------- Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 17:20
Could do what we did at anther site to conserve bandwidth and speed up the site, and to lessen the clutter of chat type posts/ threads that seemed to have a negative effect on more in-depth discussion, have chit-chat in a chat room. Perhaps easy to see links to a chat room would be a good idea (we used fef.net) -- at least temporarily. Can see why it wouldn't be considered a good idea here. At some boards chat type threads and posts are discouraged, and off-topic posts like "Cool avatar" will get you a warning, and are considered spam. Limits on posts per day, as well as less frequent intervals, is quite common -- an anti-spamming function. ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 17:27
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ITT: Logan proposes: make PA forums = PE forums
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 17:27
damn.. didn't notice until I read your post... but it sure has. Good job M@X.  So that was the problem... the damned VR and threads like that.. figures... I would eliminated the damn things long ago anyway. That is what they make MSN for.. chatting and bullsh*ting ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 17:30
But they're so good for containing spam in one place. Whereas you spew yours all over the damn place. |
Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 18:02
Heaven forbid PA's younger members have a place to be kids...  But as long as you're consistent and would've banned The Grey Room, too, Micky, then I'm not quite as annoyed by your post. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 19:27
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We really do need a spin and barf emoticon!
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 19:44
I call it.... fertilizing Though sh*t works better than spam hahhahah.------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 20:37
Don't forget a facepalm emot (refers to avatar) EDIT: Just for you:  |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: August 11 2008 at 20:44
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Locking is fine, could you please not hide the on-topic ones? I don't want all of those RIO Room, Italian prog, etc. posts to disappear. :( ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: Jared
Date Posted: August 12 2008 at 11:19
lets just say that that is NOT going to happen... ------------- Music has always been a matter of energy to me. On some nights I believe that a car with the needle on empty can run 50 more miles if you have the right music very loud on the radio. Hunter S Thompson |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: August 12 2008 at 11:29
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I basically agree with these limits as long as it does good for the site (and the timeout are a lot less happening since, yay) but I also support the thing of not hiding the appreciation threads.  ------------- 
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: August 12 2008 at 11:33
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Hmm. This does pose a bit of a problem. I have no problem with throwing old VR threads in the trash, but those appreciation threads do have a lot of useful information - it would really be a shame to not be able to access them. edit: is there any way to implement a sliding window, such that for every new post > 4000 the oldest post in the thread is removed? |
Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: August 12 2008 at 11:41
I know, it's just the hypocrisy of banning the chat room for young people and not old people simply because young people aren't boring and slow and thus clog up the server more that bugs me. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: August 12 2008 at 12:45
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If I'm not mistaken old threads are still accessible but stopped at 4000, so all you have to do is start a new one after 4000 to keep it alive?
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: August 12 2008 at 12:54
EL said hidden. Deleting the chat threads is fine (in fact it's probably what we should have been doing originally), but it really would make me sad not to be able to go through some of those old appreciation threads. Yes, you could ask whatever question you have again, but some people aren't posting as much anymore... ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: Man With Hat
Date Posted: August 12 2008 at 13:01
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Ironically I got a timeout error when trying to post in this thread last night.... ------------- Dig me...But don't...Bury me I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect. |
Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: August 12 2008 at 13:48
So I think the idea is start a new thread at 3500 so it doesn't get to 4000, and then it doesn't get hidden. |
Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: August 12 2008 at 15:55
 Now that's thinking outside the box! ------------- if you own a sodastream i hate you |
Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: August 12 2008 at 15:58
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Or just exploiting the rules
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Posted By: Easy Livin
Date Posted: August 12 2008 at 16:32
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The reason the threads are hidden too is so that they are no accessed during searches etc. The point about being able to refer back for info is taken, although finding such posts in a very large thread may prove challenging anyway.
Let's see how much improvement there is, then look to see if mailto:M@x - M@x can find any compromises.
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Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: August 12 2008 at 16:35
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Here's my ideal solution: When a useful thread (like RIO drop in) reaches 4000 posts, close it and sticky it for two months. That way, people can still have access to the latest suggestions in it for a good while. After the two months, when people have gleaned the info they need from it, then hide it, since the new thread will have taken off and the old one won't be needed anymore. That way, the site isn't significantly slowed down by larger threads (since the threads like Rio Drop In take a long time to reach 4000, meaning there will only be a handful of stickied large threads at a time, if that) that linger forever, and people don't lose the information they need. Of course Velvet Rooms and the like can disappear as they reach 4000. |
Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: August 12 2008 at 17:19
A solution like this sounds reasonable - and there aren't many prog forum threads of this size, so it shouldn't effect performance too much, I would think. |
Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: August 12 2008 at 17:26
| Especially since they would only appear temporarily, and there would only be one or two at a time at most given how long they take to reach 4000 posts. |
Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 12 2008 at 17:48
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getting error messages again.. and long waits for pages to load... not sure if it is just me... still on my old war-horse of a computer. Need to get the new one going and use that I guess hahah. ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: TGM: Orb
Date Posted: August 12 2008 at 18:00
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^ Not had that, myself, mick. PA has been peachy as a peach since this thing for me. |
Posted By: Pnoom!
Date Posted: August 12 2008 at 18:04
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Same here, TGM. Also, since it pretty much got lost on the last page:
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Posted By: micky
Date Posted: August 12 2008 at 18:05
thanks guys.. probably my computer.. .was fine yesterday along with everyone.. but the site is SLOW today in spots ... funny thing is.. not having a problem loading other sites. Oh well... ------------- The Pedro and Micky Experience - When one no longer requires psychotropics to trip |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: August 13 2008 at 20:45
A hidden thread is accessible if you know the URL though, so just bookmark a page of a to be hidden topic (I've found some old ones using google cache, history, or just playing around with the numbers of forum threads). ------------- https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLXcp9fYc6K4IKuxIZkenfvukL_Y8VBqzK" rel="nofollow - Duos for fave acts |
Posted By: Abstrakt
Date Posted: August 24 2008 at 05:40
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Seems to have helped a bit. Havn't got those annoying error things for a while. Yesterday, PA was slooow, though. But then, so was every other page aswell. |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: August 24 2008 at 19:53
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it would be cool if this forum had an online chat room you could go to, like Prog Archives AIM or something haha. That'd probably save some bandwidth, cause who's going to reference general chats?
------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm 
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Posted By: VanderGraafKommandöh
Date Posted: August 25 2008 at 14:18
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We used to have a chat facility and although it was initially used for a while, it died a very quick death. The issue for me with a chat facility, is that when there are lots of people present in them, they are almost impossible to keep track of. Also, people soon seem to turn to nonsensical stuff and go off topic and it gets quite annoying. With a dedicated thread, people can reply to things in their leisure. Somebody may go away for a few days and upon return, they will be able to go through previous pages and find out if they have missed anything So that's a very useful thing for me. Also, I do not want to spend all my time in a chat facility, when I can take a break and not miss anything, because I browse back at things in my leisure. -------------   
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