Last week I received a message from Circa:'s Myspace site saying that Alan White was leaving Circa: to work on a new Yes Project. Then while checking http://www.yesfans.com - www.yesfans.com i found rumblings that Yes are currently looking for a new lead singer. I know that Jon Anderson is having some health issues and that Yes canceled their upcoming tour. Could this be true? I was wonder if any one out there has more info?

 

If this is true what do you all think?

 

 

 

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Seriously, though, I remember watching an interview with the band where they were asked how long they planned on continuing, and they answered that Yes would continue on for as long as it could and that it would be passed on from father to son (or daughter as the case may be).  Part of that almost came to fruition with Oliver Wakeman taking over keyboards for the recently cancelled tour.  That would make Jade Anderson, a possible candidate for the job.

 

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I agree, she looks nothing like him

 

I have that rockumentary on DVD so that was probably where I saw that.  I don't remember which member said that, might have been Rick or Jon. It is certainly a possibility with Steve Howe having two musician sons and Rick Wakeman having 2 (or is it 3) musician kids, and Jon having Damion, Jade, and also Deborah, who I didn't mention earlier.  I think both Deborah and Jade have made an album.  I don't know about Damion.  Also, I have never heard any mention of Bruford, White, or Squire having any musical children, but that doesn't mean that they don't exist.  Not to mention that there might not be some musical Banks, Kayes, Morazes, etc running around out there as well.  Probably not likely, but still kind of a fascinating idea.  If it were to ever happen they would need to be judged on their output, but I suspect that far more people would hate the idea then there would be that would like the idea.

 

Instead of Alan leaving, couldn't Chris and Steve join Circa: and that would be the new Yes   Both Chris and Billy Sherwood are fine vocalists and Steve is all right for backing vocals.

 

Seriously, I don't know if I would want them to tour (or record) without Jon unless it is a very special "project". An all instrumental tour maybe? The instrumental Yes-medley that Circa: played live was pretty cool. Maybe Yes could do something like that for a whole show?

 

If I'm not mistaken some of Squire's children did an album under the name Esquire some years back. I have never heard the album so I can be mistaken about it.

 

rushfan4 wrote: Not to mention that there might not be some musical Banks, Kayes, Morazes, etc running around out there as well.  Probably not likely, but still kind of a fascinating idea.  If it were to ever happen they would need to be judged on their output, but I suspect that far more people would hate the idea then there would be that would like the idea.

 

I suspect that some (most?) of the people you are thinking about being involved are rather against the idea. I mean it is one thing to work with your father in new projects, but would you want to travel around the world and sing old songs written by your father? I think that all these children of famous musicians want to be respected for something they themselves has done and not solely because of their parents.

 

I think that they are dying to break away and go out on their own and do their own things. 

 

BTW, have you heard that Black Sabbath are touring again next year with Kelly Osbourne on vocals. Just kidding  

 

I think that Esquire was actually Chris's wife or ex-wife.  I don't think there were any kids involved, but I could be wrong too.

 

In regards to the 2nd paragraph, I don't doubt that that is true.  I think that the Howe kids and the Wakeman kids have both appeared on/done albums with dear old dad.  And if I am not mistaken Howe's son who is a drummer has worked with one of Wakeman's sons, but again I might be wrong there.  I realize that the music world is different from the real world, but children take over family businesses all of the time.  Obviously, this probably has never happened in the music world.  And of course, nothing says that once Yes Generation 2 was formed that they couldn't create their own music and perform that while on tour along with dear old dad's music.  Some of the fun of forums is the speculating about what might be in cases that will probably never ever happen, but you just never know.

 

 

On the other hand, if they find a new singer with his own voice and personality and record a new album, now that might be interesting.

 

Oh, you are probably right. I just asumed it was his children  

 

BTW, here are the credits for the album:

 

- Nikki Squire / vocals
- Nigel McLaren / bass, backing vocals
- Charles Olins / keyboards, backing vocals

Additional musicians:
- Chris Squire / backing vocals
- Alan White / drums
- Pat Thrall / guitar
- Steve Topping / guitar
- Eddie Golga / guitar
- Jamie Lane / drums
- Dinky / drums
- Carmen Squire / backing vocals

 

If Nikki is his wife then who is Carmen Squire? 

 

rushfan4 wrote: I think that the Howe kids and the Wakeman kids have both appeared on/done albums with dear old dad.

 

 

Yeah, that's right. Both Dylan and Virgil Howe play with Steve on some of his albums and also on the live DVD Steve Howe's Remedy Live. Adam Wakeman can be seen appearing with Rick on the live DVD Rick Wakeman Live In Buenos Aires. They are all good musicians.

 

rushfan4 wrote: I realize that the music world is different from the real world, but children take over family businesses all of the time.

  

 

It is an interesting idea but would it really be Yes? I mean if Oliver Wakeman replaced Rick with all the other intact it would still be Yes for sure. But if you kept replacing all the others with their respective offspring it would rapidly seize to be Yes, wouldn’t it?

 

 

 

I definitely agree that it would definitely cease to be Yes.  I've discussed similar things previously on the forums, but where do you draw the line when members leave for when a band can still be the band.  Most of the bands have gone through numerous lineup changes and yet the names continue.  Pink Floyd without Syd Barrett and then without Roger Waters.  Yes without Peter Banks and Tony Kaye, and then without Bill Bruford, and then without Rick Wakeman, etc. etc. etc. to the infinity.  Heck, King Crimson is such a favorite on here, but the band that created ITCOTCK never actually recorded another album.  And of course we don't want to even get started on Genesis.  I always find this to be an interesting discussion so I guess that it beared repeating.  And I think that in a case where all of the original members were gone and replaced by all their kids that that line would definitely be crossed. 

 

Again never going to happen, but what if the scenario were that they released a couple of albums with this line-up with Oliver Wakeman instead of Rick.  And then Alan White dropped out and Dylan or Virgil Howe took over drums (I forget which one plays the drums).  They do a couple of albums and then the other Howe comes in to play guitar (I think the other one plays guitar, but maybe he is a keyboardist.  I forget there too.)  Finally, after a couple of more albums Jon decides to hang up the mike and one of his kids takes over.  Sort of a gradual switch instead of a fullscale switch.  Still crossing the line, but maybe more acceptable. Especially if the new albums that they release are Closer to the Edge and Tales of Mars Oceans.  i.e. so good that we forget that it is the kids doing the music.  Ah well, my straitjacket is already on order so no need to report me.

 

EDIT: Also, note that Chris Squire is still the bass player.  After all, I believe that he still owns the rights to the name and he is the only one who has appeared on every album, so of course that has to continue forever.

 

 

By courtesy of the Stanford encyclopedia of philosophy:

 

"The sorites paradox is the name given to a class of paradoxical arguments, also known as little-by-little arguments, which arise as a result of the indeterminacy surrounding limits of application of the predicates involved. For example, the concept of [YES] appears to lack sharp boundaries and, as a consequence of the subsequent indeterminacy surrounding the extension of the predicate ‘is [YES]’, no one [band member] can be identified as making the difference between being [YES] and not being [YES]. Given then that one [band member] does not make [YES], it would seem to follow that two do not, thus three do not, and so on. In the end it would appear that no amount of [band members] can make [YES]. We are faced with paradox since from apparently true premises by seemingly uncontroversial reasoning we arrive at an apparently false conclusion."

 

I am a nerd, I know  

 

The music of Yes is eternal and will always exist, but why must the band continue to exist? Or rather, why must there always be some band in existance that calls itself "Yes"? We can bring the music from generation to generation without having an actual band around that calls itself "Yes" can't we? For me it is better that the music will be remembered for what it is (through recordnings mainly) rather than be furthered by some distant decendant that can only be a shadow of the past.

 

If the children of Ringo, John, Paul and George would form a band it would not be The Beatles! It would be a mere tribute band. This would be so even if they somehow managed to get the legal rights to the name. But my point is that the music of The Beatles will live on forever, despite the fact that they have not existed since 1970. So will Yes music!

 

And we should not forget that as long as some of the people who have ever been in Yes still tour they will probably continue to play Yes music live. Rick has played Yes music on his solo tours, so has Jon, Steve has done it most recently with Asia, Tony Kaye and Billy Sheerwood has played Yes music with Circa: etc. etc. - Yes music will not die just because we will not have an actual Yes around in the future.